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Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
John Kulp wrote:
>Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
> >-hh wrote:
>
> >>DEET is a known carcinogen
>
> It's not in humans.
Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one
too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided.
See:
< * w w w .gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/pesticides paper/
mr1018.8.ch5.html>
The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human
exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to
be expected."
In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
Accords...illegal.
> The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. =
They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the
US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by
3M, which is what I was referring to earlier.
BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
-hh
John Kulp wrote:
>Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
> >-hh wrote:
>
> >>DEET is a known carcinogen
>
> It's not in humans.
Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one
too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided.
See:
< * w w w .gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/pesticides paper/
mr1018.8.ch5.html>
The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human
exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to
be expected."
In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
Accords...illegal.
> The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. =
They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the
US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by
3M, which is what I was referring to earlier.
BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
-hh
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:56:22 -0800 (PST), -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger . com > wrote:
>John Kulp wrote:
>>Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>> >-hh wrote:
>>
>> >>DEET is a known carcinogen
>>
>> It's not in humans.
>
>Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one
>too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided.
>
>See:
>< * w w w .gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/pesticides_paper/
>mr1018.8.ch5.html>
>
>The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human
>exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to
>be expected."
>
>In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
>carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
>link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
>Accords...illegal.
That's complete nonsense. There is no such proof and the military has
been using it for years with no such effect. Or don't you consider
them human?
>
>
>>=A0The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. =
>=A0
>
>They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the
>US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by
>3M, which is what I was referring to earlier.
What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
it is a human carcinogen? The same exact stuff is available to
anyone. It's called Ultrathon.
>
>BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
>(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
>which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
>still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
>For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
children.
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:56:22 -0800 (PST), -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger . com > wrote:
>John Kulp wrote:
>>Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>> >-hh wrote:
>>
>> >>DEET is a known carcinogen
>>
>> It's not in humans.
>
>Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one
>too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided.
>
>See:
>< * w w w .gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/pesticides_paper/
>mr1018.8.ch5.html>
>
>The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human
>exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to
>be expected."
>
>In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
>carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
>link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
>Accords...illegal.
That's complete nonsense. There is no such proof and the military has
been using it for years with no such effect. Or don't you consider
them human?
>
>
>>=A0The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. =
>=A0
>
>They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the
>US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by
>3M, which is what I was referring to earlier.
What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
it is a human carcinogen? The same exact stuff is available to
anyone. It's called Ultrathon.
>
>BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
>(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
>which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
>still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
>For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
children.
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
john k...@hotmail . com (John Kulp) wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> >
> >In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
> >carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
> >link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
> >Accords...illegal.
>
> That's complete nonsense. There is no such proof and the military has
> been using it for years with no such effect.
Here's some "nonsense" for you:
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration of Helsinki>
Plus the Belmont Report:
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont Report>
> Or don't you consider them human?
Literally not an excuse. Apparently, you've not heard of this either:
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee Syphilis Study>
> What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
> it is a human carcinogen?
Are cigarettes bad for you? Cause of cancers, etc?
Well, because of the above, the direct objective medical tests to 100%
prove the connection have never been done either. Its not because it
isn't, but because it is unethical to incur the risk on a volunteer.
See also:
< * ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html>
> >BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
> >(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
> >which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
> >still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
> >For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
>
> Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
> children.
It still proves a chemical interaction with the human biology.
Bottom line is that your attempts to claim that the risk is zero is
untrue. We simply don't know the full extent of the risk profile, and
given the laws on human experimentation, it is unlikely to be an area
that the risk:benefit allows much more testing.
-hh
john k...@hotmail . com (John Kulp) wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> >
> >In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
> >carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
> >link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
> >Accords...illegal.
>
> That's complete nonsense. There is no such proof and the military has
> been using it for years with no such effect.
Here's some "nonsense" for you:
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration of Helsinki>
Plus the Belmont Report:
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont Report>
> Or don't you consider them human?
Literally not an excuse. Apparently, you've not heard of this either:
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee Syphilis Study>
> What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
> it is a human carcinogen?
Are cigarettes bad for you? Cause of cancers, etc?
Well, because of the above, the direct objective medical tests to 100%
prove the connection have never been done either. Its not because it
isn't, but because it is unethical to incur the risk on a volunteer.
See also:
< * ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html>
> >BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
> >(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
> >which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
> >still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
> >For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
>
> Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
> children.
It still proves a chemical interaction with the human biology.
Bottom line is that your attempts to claim that the risk is zero is
untrue. We simply don't know the full extent of the risk profile, and
given the laws on human experimentation, it is unlikely to be an area
that the risk:benefit allows much more testing.
-hh
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:02:06 -0800 (PST), huntzing@pica.army.mil wrote:
>john_k...@hotmail . com (John Kulp) wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>> >
>> >In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
>> >carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
>> >link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
>> >Accords...illegal.
>>
>> That's complete nonsense. =A0There is no such proof and the military has
>> been using it for years with no such effect. =A0
>
>Here's some "nonsense" for you:
>
>< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Helsinki>
>
>Plus the Belmont Report:
>
>< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Report>
Yes, it is, indeed, nonsense since it has nothing to do with whether
Deet is a human carcinogenic which long experience has shown it's not.
And you haven't produced one whit of evidence that it is either.
>
>
>> Or don't you consider them human?
>
>Literally not an excuse. Apparently, you've not heard of this either:
>
>< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study>
Ridiculous. Why don't you post a few good analysis of the Vikings
raping and pillaging Europe too while your at. The Scaninavians would
be amused.
>
>
>> What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
>> it is a human carcinogen? =A0
>
>Are cigarettes bad for you? Cause of cancers, etc?
That has a lot to do with Deet you cretin. So's charcoal. Have you
given up barbecuing?
>
>Well, because of the above, the direct objective medical tests to 100%
>prove the connection have never been done either. Its not because it
>isn't, but because it is unethical to incur the risk on a volunteer.
>See also:
>
>< * ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html>
You're a complete moron. The military has been using Deet for decades
and has all the evidence anyone needs to know that it is not
carcinogenic to humans. I guess you're so dumb you don't think that
using it on millions of soldiers constitutes proof of anything.
>
>
>
>> >BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
>> >(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
>> >which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. =A0FYI, I
>> >still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
>> >For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
>>
>> Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
>> children.
>
>It still proves a chemical interaction with the human biology.
>Bottom line is that your attempts to claim that the risk is zero is
>untrue. We simply don't know the full extent of the risk profile, and
>given the laws on human experimentation, it is unlikely to be an area
>that the risk:benefit allows much more testing.
I didn't say the risk was zero you liar. I said that it is not
carcinogenic to humans, which it's not. There is always someone who
is allergic to anything and will get sick as a result. Including such
dangerous chemical compounds as milk you twit. You are so
monumentally stupid that you cannot even comprehend that Deet has been
used by millions for decades with no cancerous results from it by
endlessly repeating you idiotic human experimentation crap. They
don't need to experiment you idiot. They have decades of proof by
usage that it is perfectly safe.
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:02:06 -0800 (PST), huntzing@pica.army.mil wrote:
>john_k...@hotmail . com (John Kulp) wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>> >
>> >In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
>> >carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
>> >link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
>> >Accords...illegal.
>>
>> That's complete nonsense. =A0There is no such proof and the military has
>> been using it for years with no such effect. =A0
>
>Here's some "nonsense" for you:
>
>< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Helsinki>
>
>Plus the Belmont Report:
>
>< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Report>
Yes, it is, indeed, nonsense since it has nothing to do with whether
Deet is a human carcinogenic which long experience has shown it's not.
And you haven't produced one whit of evidence that it is either.
>
>
>> Or don't you consider them human?
>
>Literally not an excuse. Apparently, you've not heard of this either:
>
>< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study>
Ridiculous. Why don't you post a few good analysis of the Vikings
raping and pillaging Europe too while your at. The Scaninavians would
be amused.
>
>
>> What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
>> it is a human carcinogen? =A0
>
>Are cigarettes bad for you? Cause of cancers, etc?
That has a lot to do with Deet you cretin. So's charcoal. Have you
given up barbecuing?
>
>Well, because of the above, the direct objective medical tests to 100%
>prove the connection have never been done either. Its not because it
>isn't, but because it is unethical to incur the risk on a volunteer.
>See also:
>
>< * ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html>
You're a complete moron. The military has been using Deet for decades
and has all the evidence anyone needs to know that it is not
carcinogenic to humans. I guess you're so dumb you don't think that
using it on millions of soldiers constitutes proof of anything.
>
>
>
>> >BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
>> >(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
>> >which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. =A0FYI, I
>> >still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
>> >For example, DEET doesn't do jack shit to stop Tzetze flies.
>>
>> Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
>> children.
>
>It still proves a chemical interaction with the human biology.
>Bottom line is that your attempts to claim that the risk is zero is
>untrue. We simply don't know the full extent of the risk profile, and
>given the laws on human experimentation, it is unlikely to be an area
>that the risk:benefit allows much more testing.
I didn't say the risk was zero you liar. I said that it is not
carcinogenic to humans, which it's not. There is always someone who
is allergic to anything and will get sick as a result. Including such
dangerous chemical compounds as milk you twit. You are so
monumentally stupid that you cannot even comprehend that Deet has been
used by millions for decades with no cancerous results from it by
endlessly repeating you idiotic human experimentation crap. They
don't need to experiment you idiot. They have decades of proof by
usage that it is perfectly safe.
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
John Kulp wrote:
>
> [vitrol snipped]
Your response is noted and by initiating namecalling, you've forfeited
the validity of all of your arguments, so and anything else that you
might ever have to say can be safely disregarded.
As I said before, I still use DEET too, but I do so with care and
caution...and context.
Have a nice life, "John".
-hh
John Kulp wrote:
>
> [vitrol snipped]
Your response is noted and by initiating namecalling, you've forfeited
the validity of all of your arguments, so and anything else that you
might ever have to say can be safely disregarded.
As I said before, I still use DEET too, but I do so with care and
caution...and context.
Have a nice life, "John".
-hh
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap too.
Some cautions.
If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can
become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users
suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra
sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks after
last exposure.
It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after
taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in
the UK for this purpose.
Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
Take Care.
"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax . com ...
> Hi All
>
> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>
> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>
> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
> countries if replenishment is needed.
>
> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> * loraltravel.blogspot . com /
> latest: Slovenia
Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap too.
Some cautions.
If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can
become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users
suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra
sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks after
last exposure.
It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after
taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in
the UK for this purpose.
Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
Take Care.
"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax . com ...
> Hi All
>
> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>
> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>
> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
> countries if replenishment is needed.
>
> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> * loraltravel.blogspot . com /
> latest: Slovenia
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!
" A Mate" <maybe@somewhere . com .au> wrote in message
news:47a6fb18$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet . com .au...
> Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
> prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
> too.
>
> Some cautions.
>
> If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can
> become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users
> suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra
> sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
>
> You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
> after last exposure.
>
> It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
> breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after
> taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
>
> It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
> effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in
> the UK for this purpose.
>
> Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
>
> Take Care.
>
>
>
>
> "Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
> news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax . com ...
>> Hi All
>>
>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>
>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>
>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>
>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>> --
>> * loraltravel.blogspot . com /
>> latest: Slovenia
>
>
Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!
" A Mate" <maybe@somewhere . com .au> wrote in message
news:47a6fb18$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet . com .au...
> Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
> prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
> too.
>
> Some cautions.
>
> If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can
> become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users
> suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra
> sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
>
> You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
> after last exposure.
>
> It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
> breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after
> taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
>
> It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
> effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in
> the UK for this purpose.
>
> Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
>
> Take Care.
>
>
>
>
> "Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
> news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax . com ...
>> Hi All
>>
>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>
>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>
>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>
>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>> --
>> * loraltravel.blogspot . com /
>> latest: Slovenia
>
>
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
authority..
also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.
There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..
If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar. the Malaria risk is low. same with
Jordan and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)
your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia, Inda and maybe the Yucatan
(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.
If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.
If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.
--
Don't tell me how educated you are,
tell me how much you have traveled.
w w w .globosapiens . net /ta-shy
" A Mate" <maybe@somewhere . com .au> wrote in message
news:47a6fb8e$0$12542$afc38c87@news.optusnet . com .au...
> Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!
>
>
>
> " A Mate" <maybe@somewhere . com .au> wrote in message
> news:47a6fb18$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet . com .au...
>> Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
>> prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
>> too.
>>
>> Some cautions.
>>
>> If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It
>> can become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of
>> users suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use
>> extra sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
>>
>> You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
>> after last exposure.
>>
>> It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
>> breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes
>> after taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
>>
>> It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
>> effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed
>> in the UK for this purpose.
>>
>> Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
>>
>> Take Care.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
>> news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax . com ...
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>>
>>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>>
>>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>>> --
>>> * loraltravel.blogspot . com /
>>> latest: Slovenia
>>
>>
>
>
during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
authority..
also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.
There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..
If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar. the Malaria risk is low. same with
Jordan and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)
your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia, Inda and maybe the Yucatan
(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.
If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.
If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.
--
Don't tell me how educated you are,
tell me how much you have traveled.
w w w .globosapiens . net /ta-shy
" A Mate" <maybe@somewhere . com .au> wrote in message
news:47a6fb8e$0$12542$afc38c87@news.optusnet . com .au...
> Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!
>
>
>
> " A Mate" <maybe@somewhere . com .au> wrote in message
> news:47a6fb18$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet . com .au...
>> Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
>> prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
>> too.
>>
>> Some cautions.
>>
>> If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It
>> can become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of
>> users suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use
>> extra sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
>>
>> You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
>> after last exposure.
>>
>> It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
>> breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes
>> after taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
>>
>> It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
>> effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed
>> in the UK for this purpose.
>>
>> Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
>>
>> Take Care.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
>> news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax . com ...
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>>
>>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>>
>>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>>> --
>>> * loraltravel.blogspot . com /
>>> latest: Slovenia
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:17:37 GMT, "Tashi"
<tashi@nospamshaw.ca> wrote:
>during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
>pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
>found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
>authority..
>
>also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
>the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
>works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.
>
>There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
>what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
>(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
>cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..
>
>If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar.
Mar 25-Apr2
> the Malaria risk is low. same with
>Jordan
Mar 22-25
> and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)
>
Apr 12-17
>your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia,
Mar 6-13
> Inda
Mar 15-22
> and maybe the Yucatan
>(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
>hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.
>
I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
least:-)
>If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.
>
Nope, travelling alone or with a guide apart from the Nile
Cruise in Egypt.
>If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
>for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
>unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.
Thanks, hadn't thought of that. I'll check it out.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
* loraltravel.blogspot . com /
latest: Slovenia
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:17:37 GMT, "Tashi"
<tashi@nospamshaw.ca> wrote:
>during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
>pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
>found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
>authority..
>
>also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
>the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
>works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.
>
>There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
>what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
>(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
>cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..
>
>If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar.
Mar 25-Apr2
> the Malaria risk is low. same with
>Jordan
Mar 22-25
> and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)
>
Apr 12-17
>your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia,
Mar 6-13
> Inda
Mar 15-22
> and maybe the Yucatan
>(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
>hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.
>
I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
least:-)
>If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.
>
Nope, travelling alone or with a guide apart from the Nile
Cruise in Egypt.
>If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
>for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
>unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.
Thanks, hadn't thought of that. I'll check it out.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
* loraltravel.blogspot . com /
latest: Slovenia
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
news:1r9fq356j1li1pt75jqci1gjhqik25262k@4ax . com ...
>> Inda
>
> Mar 15-22
Depends where you are.
But as you're only there (actually 'here' at the moment) for a week there's
no point in stopping your malaria meds.
Whatever you do and wherever you go in March in India you're going to get a
few bites, everybody does, but you've got to be seriously unlucky to catch
anything from them.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > wrote in message
news:1r9fq356j1li1pt75jqci1gjhqik25262k@4ax . com ...
>> Inda
>
> Mar 15-22
Depends where you are.
But as you're only there (actually 'here' at the moment) for a week there's
no point in stopping your malaria meds.
Whatever you do and wherever you go in March in India you're going to get a
few bites, everybody does, but you've got to be seriously unlucky to catch
anything from them.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
<SNIP>
>I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
>least:-)
Hi
Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^)
My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a
regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain
admittedly, but certainly on holiday.
I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more
comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed
at home.
Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the
USA Southwest desert States)
KGB
<SNIP>
>I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
>least:-)
Hi
Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^)
My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a
regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain
admittedly, but certainly on holiday.
I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more
comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed
at home.
Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the
USA Southwest desert States)
KGB
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:49:28 GMT, "KGB"
<FedUpWithSpam@NoEmailAddre.ss> (KGB) wrote:
><SNIP>
>>I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
>>least:-)
>
>Hi
>
>Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^)
>
>My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a
>regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain
>admittedly, but certainly on holiday.
>
>I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more
>comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed
>at home.
>
>Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the
>USA Southwest desert States)
>
>
>
>KGB
Whatever turns you on mate:-)
I camped from the time I joined the cubs until I left the
Senior Scouts, then on bivouacs with the RAAF as needed. And
on the occasional fishing trip. That was quite enough. I've
also done my share of caravanning and motorhome driving.
But when I'm wandering through nine countries in seven
weeks, including several that are a little less than
friendly to Westerners - I'm after a bed and four solid
walls. I'm not over-fussy, my main requirements are that the
bed (and linen) be clean, be longer and wider than I,
reasonably un-lumpy, and that I am the only living thing in
it or on it. I also prefer an aircon if the temperature and
humidity are uncomfortable. Beyond that I'm not fussed about
room service or minibars or TV.
To be honest, the thought of pitching my tent in front of
Angkor, or the Taj Mahal, or Petra, or Giza, or Abu Simbel,
or Chichen Itza, or Teotihuacan (all on this trip) does not
turn me on at all. Even if the local authorities allowed it
I doubt it would be very wise, let alone comfortable.
Apart from that, it's one less item to lug around.
To each their own.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
* loraltravel.blogspot . com /
latest: Slovenia
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:49:28 GMT, "KGB"
<FedUpWithSpam@NoEmailAddre.ss> (KGB) wrote:
><SNIP>
>>I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
>>least:-)
>
>Hi
>
>Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^)
>
>My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a
>regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain
>admittedly, but certainly on holiday.
>
>I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more
>comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed
>at home.
>
>Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the
>USA Southwest desert States)
>
>
>
>KGB
Whatever turns you on mate:-)
I camped from the time I joined the cubs until I left the
Senior Scouts, then on bivouacs with the RAAF as needed. And
on the occasional fishing trip. That was quite enough. I've
also done my share of caravanning and motorhome driving.
But when I'm wandering through nine countries in seven
weeks, including several that are a little less than
friendly to Westerners - I'm after a bed and four solid
walls. I'm not over-fussy, my main requirements are that the
bed (and linen) be clean, be longer and wider than I,
reasonably un-lumpy, and that I am the only living thing in
it or on it. I also prefer an aircon if the temperature and
humidity are uncomfortable. Beyond that I'm not fussed about
room service or minibars or TV.
To be honest, the thought of pitching my tent in front of
Angkor, or the Taj Mahal, or Petra, or Giza, or Abu Simbel,
or Chichen Itza, or Teotihuacan (all on this trip) does not
turn me on at all. Even if the local authorities allowed it
I doubt it would be very wise, let alone comfortable.
Apart from that, it's one less item to lug around.
To each their own.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
* loraltravel.blogspot . com /
latest: Slovenia
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > kirjoitti
viestissä:5uplq359gbo0o2fi6hdiep8val57f856li@4ax . com ...
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:49:28 GMT, "KGB"
>
> To be honest, the thought of pitching my tent in front of
> Angkor, or the Taj Mahal, or Petra, or Giza, or Abu Simbel,
> or Chichen Itza, or Teotihuacan (all on this trip) does not
> turn me on at all. Even if the local authorities allowed it
> I doubt it would be very wise, let alone comfortable.
>
I may bring a tent along only if I drive in Europe by my own car. To live
comfortably in a tent one needs an air mattress. Mine is 20*160*200cm in
dimension. Because lots of air is needed to stuff the thing, a decent pump
is also necessary. Preferably engined by car's electric system so that we
outdoor heros don't have to sweat unecessarily. The mattress isn't light but
weighs several kilos and it doesn't fold into small space. Minimum camping
gear weighs around 10 kilos. Too much to carry it on a rucksack. Naturally
those cellular plastic mattresses are much lighter but they are no good.
In countries like Cambodia, Egypt, Jordan, India and Mexico accommodation is
so cheap that there is no point to tease oneself by carrying a tent. Those
who overnight in woods think differently.
"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > kirjoitti
viestissä:5uplq359gbo0o2fi6hdiep8val57f856li@4ax . com ...
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:49:28 GMT, "KGB"
>
> To be honest, the thought of pitching my tent in front of
> Angkor, or the Taj Mahal, or Petra, or Giza, or Abu Simbel,
> or Chichen Itza, or Teotihuacan (all on this trip) does not
> turn me on at all. Even if the local authorities allowed it
> I doubt it would be very wise, let alone comfortable.
>
I may bring a tent along only if I drive in Europe by my own car. To live
comfortably in a tent one needs an air mattress. Mine is 20*160*200cm in
dimension. Because lots of air is needed to stuff the thing, a decent pump
is also necessary. Preferably engined by car's electric system so that we
outdoor heros don't have to sweat unecessarily. The mattress isn't light but
weighs several kilos and it doesn't fold into small space. Minimum camping
gear weighs around 10 kilos. Too much to carry it on a rucksack. Naturally
those cellular plastic mattresses are much lighter but they are no good.
In countries like Cambodia, Egypt, Jordan, India and Mexico accommodation is
so cheap that there is no point to tease oneself by carrying a tent. Those
who overnight in woods think differently.
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
news:81Cqj.293288$6_.119721@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> In countries like Cambodia, Egypt, Jordan, India and Mexico accommodation
> is so cheap that there is no point to tease oneself by carrying a tent.
> Those who overnight in woods think differently.
Hotels in India are not cheap.
They're very highly taxed and are no cheaper than in Europe.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
news:81Cqj.293288$6_.119721@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> In countries like Cambodia, Egypt, Jordan, India and Mexico accommodation
> is so cheap that there is no point to tease oneself by carrying a tent.
> Those who overnight in woods think differently.
Hotels in India are not cheap.
They're very highly taxed and are no cheaper than in Europe.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Re: Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:foetjo$9lg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
> news:81Cqj.293288$6_.119721@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
>> In countries like Cambodia, Egypt, Jordan, India and Mexico accommodation
>> is so cheap that there is no point to tease oneself by carrying a tent.
>> Those who overnight in woods think differently.
>
> Hotels in India are not cheap.
>
> They're very highly taxed and are no cheaper than in Europe.
>
I have never visited the country myself. And I won't unless cows have been
removed from the streets to proper grazing lands. However, listings of "the
asia rooms" online booking engine doesn't support your ideas about equal
prices to European hotels (prices may still be heavily taxed). For instance
in Agra prices start from 25 euros for two people. Doesn't sound too
European to me. Moreover, those to whom tent accommodation is an option,
typically aren't too much sissies when it comes to spending a night in a
hotel. I guess a dive (not listed) with a water proof roof comes typically
by a price worth a few euros. I assume that Cambodia and Egypt are cheaper
still in this respect. For instance I typically paid 100 Egyptian pounds for
a room last summer. Someting like 13 euros. Cheapest room with aircon did
cost 40 pounds in Luxor.
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:foetjo$9lg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
> news:81Cqj.293288$6_.119721@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
>> In countries like Cambodia, Egypt, Jordan, India and Mexico accommodation
>> is so cheap that there is no point to tease oneself by carrying a tent.
>> Those who overnight in woods think differently.
>
> Hotels in India are not cheap.
>
> They're very highly taxed and are no cheaper than in Europe.
>
I have never visited the country myself. And I won't unless cows have been
removed from the streets to proper grazing lands. However, listings of "the
asia rooms" online booking engine doesn't support your ideas about equal
prices to European hotels (prices may still be heavily taxed). For instance
in Agra prices start from 25 euros for two people. Doesn't sound too
European to me. Moreover, those to whom tent accommodation is an option,
typically aren't too much sissies when it comes to spending a night in a
hotel. I guess a dive (not listed) with a water proof roof comes typically
by a price worth a few euros. I assume that Cambodia and Egypt are cheaper
still in this respect. For instance I typically paid 100 Egyptian pounds for
a room last summer. Someting like 13 euros. Cheapest room with aircon did
cost 40 pounds in Luxor.
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