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Atherosclerosis In COPD
They don't listen to logic. IE: Increased breath with bloodletting.
Maybe they'll listen to Science.
This would be the .. rationale ..
Increased Arterial Stiffness Common in COPD Patients
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 23 - Chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease (COPD) is associated with increased arterial stiffness and
elevated blood pressure, which may explain the excess cardiovascular
morbidity and mortality in this patient population, note researchers
from the UK in the April issue of the journal Thorax.
The reasons why patients with COPD are at high risk of having a heart
attack or stroke compared to the general population "are not clear,"
Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General Hospital and the University of
Edinburgh, noted in comments to Reuters Health.
She and her colleagues measured blood pressure and blood vessel
stiffness in 102 COPD patients and 103 carefully matched healthy
persons with similar smoking histories and found that COPD patients
had stiffer blood vessels and higher blood pressures than controls.
"This suggests that COPD is not simply a disease of the lungs but
involves other systems including the heart and vasculature," Dr.
Miller said.
Compared to healthy controls, COPD patients had elevated augmentation
pressure (p =3D 0.005) and a reduced time to wave reflection (p =3D 0.004)
and these differences were associated with increases in both diastolic
(p =3D 0.005) and systolic (p < 0.001) blood pressure.
Moreover, serum C-reactive protein levels were threefold higher in
COPD patients than in control patients.
Dr. Miller noted that "two thirds of our COPD patients had high blood
pressure, and the majority of them were not on any treatment for this.
Our study highlights the need for careful assessment of cardiovascular
risk in COPD patients."
"The use of simple effective treatments to lower blood pressure has
the potential to prevent excess heart attacks and strokes in COPD
patients," she concluded.
Thorax 2008;63:306-311.
---------------------------
Blood donation, body iron status and carotid intima-media thickness
Author(s): Engberink, M.F.; Geleijnse, J.M.; Durga, J.; Swinkels,
D.W.; Kort, W.L.A.M. de; Schouten, E.G.; Verhoef, P.
Source: Atherosclerosis 196 (2008)2. - ISSN 0021-9150 - p. 856 - 862.
Department(s): Afdeling Humane voeding (Division of Human Nutrition)
Research programme(s): Graduate School VLAG (2004 - 2010 )
Subtheme: =E2=90=96D. Nutrition, metabolism and health
Type of publication: Article in refereed journal
Year of publication: 2008
Abstract:
Iron could promote free radical formation, which may lead to injury
of
the arterial wall and atherosclerosis.
Blood donation may reduce cardiovascular risk by lowering body iron
status.
We collected data on blood donation history and intima-media
thickness
of the common carotid artery (CIMT) in 819 subjects (50-70 years),
who
were recruited from municipal and blood bank registries in The
Netherlands.
Serum iron parameters were assessed, including non-transferrin bound
iron (NTBI) that has recently been found in conditions of iron
overload.
Serum ferritin was lower in current donors (n=3D443; 44mug/L) than in
ex-
donors (n=3D120; 114mug/L) and never-donors (n=3D256; 124mug/L, P for
trend <0.001).
For NTBI, values were 2.33, 2.54, and 2.51mumol/L, respectively
(P<0.05). CIMT was slightly reduced in frequent donors (i.e., >/=3D49
times during life or >/=3D2 times per year), although not statistically
significant.
CIMT was not significantly related to NTBI.
Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
They don't listen to logic. IE: Increased breath with bloodletting.
Maybe they'll listen to Science.
This would be the .. rationale ..
Increased Arterial Stiffness Common in COPD Patients
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 23 - Chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease (COPD) is associated with increased arterial stiffness and
elevated blood pressure, which may explain the excess cardiovascular
morbidity and mortality in this patient population, note researchers
from the UK in the April issue of the journal Thorax.
The reasons why patients with COPD are at high risk of having a heart
attack or stroke compared to the general population "are not clear,"
Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General Hospital and the University of
Edinburgh, noted in comments to Reuters Health.
She and her colleagues measured blood pressure and blood vessel
stiffness in 102 COPD patients and 103 carefully matched healthy
persons with similar smoking histories and found that COPD patients
had stiffer blood vessels and higher blood pressures than controls.
"This suggests that COPD is not simply a disease of the lungs but
involves other systems including the heart and vasculature," Dr.
Miller said.
Compared to healthy controls, COPD patients had elevated augmentation
pressure (p =3D 0.005) and a reduced time to wave reflection (p =3D 0.004)
and these differences were associated with increases in both diastolic
(p =3D 0.005) and systolic (p < 0.001) blood pressure.
Moreover, serum C-reactive protein levels were threefold higher in
COPD patients than in control patients.
Dr. Miller noted that "two thirds of our COPD patients had high blood
pressure, and the majority of them were not on any treatment for this.
Our study highlights the need for careful assessment of cardiovascular
risk in COPD patients."
"The use of simple effective treatments to lower blood pressure has
the potential to prevent excess heart attacks and strokes in COPD
patients," she concluded.
Thorax 2008;63:306-311.
---------------------------
Blood donation, body iron status and carotid intima-media thickness
Author(s): Engberink, M.F.; Geleijnse, J.M.; Durga, J.; Swinkels,
D.W.; Kort, W.L.A.M. de; Schouten, E.G.; Verhoef, P.
Source: Atherosclerosis 196 (2008)2. - ISSN 0021-9150 - p. 856 - 862.
Department(s): Afdeling Humane voeding (Division of Human Nutrition)
Research programme(s): Graduate School VLAG (2004 - 2010 )
Subtheme: =E2=90=96D. Nutrition, metabolism and health
Type of publication: Article in refereed journal
Year of publication: 2008
Abstract:
Iron could promote free radical formation, which may lead to injury
of
the arterial wall and atherosclerosis.
Blood donation may reduce cardiovascular risk by lowering body iron
status.
We collected data on blood donation history and intima-media
thickness
of the common carotid artery (CIMT) in 819 subjects (50-70 years),
who
were recruited from municipal and blood bank registries in The
Netherlands.
Serum iron parameters were assessed, including non-transferrin bound
iron (NTBI) that has recently been found in conditions of iron
overload.
Serum ferritin was lower in current donors (n=3D443; 44mug/L) than in
ex-
donors (n=3D120; 114mug/L) and never-donors (n=3D256; 124mug/L, P for
trend <0.001).
For NTBI, values were 2.33, 2.54, and 2.51mumol/L, respectively
(P<0.05). CIMT was slightly reduced in frequent donors (i.e., >/=3D49
times during life or >/=3D2 times per year), although not statistically
significant.
CIMT was not significantly related to NTBI.
Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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Man Is A Herbivore!
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Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:57:34 -0500, ironjustice@aol . com wrote
(in message
<23ddfede-3a51-4eb2-81cd-b4da4bd9776b@a9g2000prl.googlegroups . com >):
> Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
> some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
Is that an iron-clad guarantee
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:57:34 -0500, ironjustice@aol . com wrote
(in message
<23ddfede-3a51-4eb2-81cd-b4da4bd9776b@a9g2000prl.googlegroups . com >):
> Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
> some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
Is that an iron-clad guarantee
Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD
On Apr 25, 7:13 am, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote: Is that an iron-
clad guarantee <<
Seems you can't either read .. or .. comprehend ..
Which is it ..
"Might give some protection"
An analogy might be .. if I stick my thumbnail in his eye will he
release his .. grip.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:57:34 -0500, ironjust...@aol . com wrote
> (in message
> <23ddfede-3a51-4eb2-81cd-b4da4bd97...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
> > some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
>
> Is that an iron-clad guarantee
On Apr 25, 7:13 am, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote: Is that an iron-
clad guarantee <<
Seems you can't either read .. or .. comprehend ..
Which is it ..
"Might give some protection"
An analogy might be .. if I stick my thumbnail in his eye will he
release his .. grip.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:57:34 -0500, ironjust...@aol . com wrote
> (in message
> <23ddfede-3a51-4eb2-81cd-b4da4bd97...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
> > some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
>
> Is that an iron-clad guarantee
Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:27:04 -0500, ironjustice@aol . com wrote
(in message
<07862fdf-120c-4b5e-86d4-47f40b88a645@q27g2000prf.googlegroups . com >):
> Which is it ..
>
> "Might give some protection"
There are a lot of things in medicine which "might" be and many of them turn
out to be not true. If everyone followed all the the "mights," could end up
with conflicting things.
You do seem to be fixed on iron.
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:27:04 -0500, ironjustice@aol . com wrote
(in message
<07862fdf-120c-4b5e-86d4-47f40b88a645@q27g2000prf.googlegroups . com >):
> Which is it ..
>
> "Might give some protection"
There are a lot of things in medicine which "might" be and many of them turn
out to be not true. If everyone followed all the the "mights," could end up
with conflicting things.
You do seem to be fixed on iron.
Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD
On Apr 25, 7:50 am, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:You do seem to be
fixed on iron. <<
Actually since you cannot read OR comprehend .. it was Dr. Joy J.
Miller, from Borders General Hospital and the University of
Edinburgh, and her colleagues noted this in comments to Reuters
Health.
Now you may wish to think it was ME who noted this in comments to
Reuters Health but it was Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General
Hospital and the University of Edinburgh, and her colleagues who
noted this in comments to Reuters Health.
Now that is an iron-clad guarantee ..
That part of .. it was Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General
Hospital and the University of Edinburgh, and her colleagues who
noted this in comments to Reuters Health.
It was NOT .. **me** ..
Understand .. ?
Do ya .. ?
THIS part IS mine .. if I stick my thumbnail in his eye will he
release his .. grip .. ?
Chances are .. guaranteed.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:27:04 -0500, ironjust...@aol . com wrote
> (in message
> <07862fdf-120c-4b5e-86d4-47f40b88a...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > Which is it ..
>
> > "Might give some protection"
>
> There are a lot of things in medicine which "might" be and many of them tu=
rn
> out to be not true. If everyone followed all the the "mights," could en=
d up
> with conflicting things.
>
> You do seem to be fixed on iron.
On Apr 25, 7:50 am, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:You do seem to be
fixed on iron. <<
Actually since you cannot read OR comprehend .. it was Dr. Joy J.
Miller, from Borders General Hospital and the University of
Edinburgh, and her colleagues noted this in comments to Reuters
Health.
Now you may wish to think it was ME who noted this in comments to
Reuters Health but it was Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General
Hospital and the University of Edinburgh, and her colleagues who
noted this in comments to Reuters Health.
Now that is an iron-clad guarantee ..
That part of .. it was Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General
Hospital and the University of Edinburgh, and her colleagues who
noted this in comments to Reuters Health.
It was NOT .. **me** ..
Understand .. ?
Do ya .. ?
THIS part IS mine .. if I stick my thumbnail in his eye will he
release his .. grip .. ?
Chances are .. guaranteed.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:27:04 -0500, ironjust...@aol . com wrote
> (in message
> <07862fdf-120c-4b5e-86d4-47f40b88a...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > Which is it ..
>
> > "Might give some protection"
>
> There are a lot of things in medicine which "might" be and many of them tu=
rn
> out to be not true. If everyone followed all the the "mights," could en=
d up
> with conflicting things.
>
> You do seem to be fixed on iron.
Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD
On Apr 25, 4:19 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com > wrote:
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! * tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! * tinyurl . com /a3cc3
>
When I read posts in sci.med groups, I do not regard assertions about
Jesus to be germane.
Regarding the notion that man is a herbivore, this contradicts my own
dental construction which is more suited to an omnivorous diet. I
also note that humans are not alone amongst the primates as being
hunters and meat eaters. The site referenced above contains a single
line asserting that man is a herbivore with no substantiating evidence
on the site to support the claim.
Clod
On Apr 25, 4:19 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com > wrote:
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! * tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! * tinyurl . com /a3cc3
>
When I read posts in sci.med groups, I do not regard assertions about
Jesus to be germane.
Regarding the notion that man is a herbivore, this contradicts my own
dental construction which is more suited to an omnivorous diet. I
also note that humans are not alone amongst the primates as being
hunters and meat eaters. The site referenced above contains a single
line asserting that man is a herbivore with no substantiating evidence
on the site to support the claim.
Clod
Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD
On Apr 25, 8:44 am, clodder...@gmail . com wrote:The site referenced
above contains a single line asserting that man is a herbivore with no
substantiating evidence on the site to support the claim. <<
You know it has been soooo long since I even looked at the page ..
I believe you are wrong though .. I placed what information was
available at the time and that was pretty substantial.
Anything else is just corroboration of the proven theory / hypothesis.
You need more articles .. ?
Go to google groups and type in this one word ..
"jesuswasavegetarian" .. and whatever OTHER word you wish.
In those two words you will find everything you ever need to know.
Isn't that .. special .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
You may think that body parts and how one .. looks .. may be involved
in the ascertation of man being a herbivore but it doesn't ..
The iron from the meat you eat rises continuously to the point it
kills you and therefore it .. proves .. man is a herbivore because one
cannot argue a food which kills you is a natural food for you.
Any other evidence really
> On Apr 25, 4:19 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com > wrote:
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! * tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! * tinyurl . com /a3cc3
>
> When I read posts in sci.med groups, I do not regard assertions about
> Jesus to be germane.
>
> Regarding the notion that man is a herbivore, this contradicts my own
> dental construction which is more suited to an omnivorous diet. I
> also note that humans are not alone amongst the primates as being
> hunters and meat eaters. The site referenced above contains a single
> line asserting that man is a herbivore with no substantiating evidence
> on the site to support the claim.
>
> Clod
On Apr 25, 8:44 am, clodder...@gmail . com wrote:The site referenced
above contains a single line asserting that man is a herbivore with no
substantiating evidence on the site to support the claim. <<
You know it has been soooo long since I even looked at the page ..
I believe you are wrong though .. I placed what information was
available at the time and that was pretty substantial.
Anything else is just corroboration of the proven theory / hypothesis.
You need more articles .. ?
Go to google groups and type in this one word ..
"jesuswasavegetarian" .. and whatever OTHER word you wish.
In those two words you will find everything you ever need to know.
Isn't that .. special .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
You may think that body parts and how one .. looks .. may be involved
in the ascertation of man being a herbivore but it doesn't ..
The iron from the meat you eat rises continuously to the point it
kills you and therefore it .. proves .. man is a herbivore because one
cannot argue a food which kills you is a natural food for you.
Any other evidence really
> On Apr 25, 4:19 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com > wrote:
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! * tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! * tinyurl . com /a3cc3
>
> When I read posts in sci.med groups, I do not regard assertions about
> Jesus to be germane.
>
> Regarding the notion that man is a herbivore, this contradicts my own
> dental construction which is more suited to an omnivorous diet. I
> also note that humans are not alone amongst the primates as being
> hunters and meat eaters. The site referenced above contains a single
> line asserting that man is a herbivore with no substantiating evidence
> on the site to support the claim.
>
> Clod
Soybeans, lentils and beans have more iron per serving than most meats
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 0:04:55 -0500, ironjustice@aol . com wrote
(in message
<875b9348-4f6e-4518-8237-6ee8f0f4a06a@t12g2000prg.googlegroups . com >):
> The iron from the meat you eat rises continuously to the point it
> kills you and therefore it .. proves .. man is a herbivore because one
> cannot argue a food which kills you is a natural food for you.
Soybeans, lentils and beans and other vegetables have more iron per serving
than meat, except for chicken livers, so maybe better to eat meat.
* ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp#h2
Best advice is to eat a balanced diet.
Best advice for most is to stay away from absurd arguments like those of
Chungy and Fe-injustice.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 0:04:55 -0500, ironjustice@aol . com wrote
(in message
<875b9348-4f6e-4518-8237-6ee8f0f4a06a@t12g2000prg.googlegroups . com >):
> The iron from the meat you eat rises continuously to the point it
> kills you and therefore it .. proves .. man is a herbivore because one
> cannot argue a food which kills you is a natural food for you.
Soybeans, lentils and beans and other vegetables have more iron per serving
than meat, except for chicken livers, so maybe better to eat meat.
* ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp#h2
Best advice is to eat a balanced diet.
Best advice for most is to stay away from absurd arguments like those of
Chungy and Fe-injustice.
Re: Soybeans, lentils and beans have more iron per serving than most meats
On Apr 26, 4:50 am, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:so maybe better to
eat meat <<
You have COPD do ya .. ?
You have atherosclerosis .. ?
Include an article or two which describes your understanding of the
difference between .. blood .. and .. plant juice.
If I squeeze your head real hard with a vice .. what happens .. ?
Your eye pops out .. and you .. what .. ?
You .. bleeeed ..
Now I do that to a .. cabbage .. what happens .. ?
Cabbage juice pops out.
There is no blood in a plant.
Write that down.
Blood iron is absorbed at a very high rate .. much higher than other
iron .. it is absorbed at foour to ten times the rate of the iron from
your cabbage .. or your .. corn .. or your mushrooms .. or your ..
orange lemons or limes ..
Soooo .. you didn't know the above .. ?
Now you do ..
Oh .. and iron from meat is absorbed all the time whereas the iron
from plants is not absorbed when we don't **need** it ..
Did you know that .. ?
Now you do ..
This iron finally arrives at what is called age-related iron
accumulation .. you know all that iron found in the lungs of those
with COPD .. ?
You didn't know that .. ?
Oh .. I .. think .. you .. did ..
Didn't ya .. ?
I placed it not more than a couple of weeks ..
Now are you still going to tell people with COPD who are often told to
go home and die .. to eat .. meat .. ?
Yes you are ..
Surprising anyone with COPD have survived at all with people like you
and the medical people around.
IE: doctors admitting to all but praying FOR the person with COPD to
die on the steps of their home .. and NOT in the ICU .. because ..
"you mess up the place" ..
Isn't that .. right .. j666 ..
Or didn't you know .. that ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 0:04:55 -0500, ironjust...@aol . com wrote
> (in message
> <875b9348-4f6e-4518-8237-6ee8f0f4a...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > The iron from the meat you eat rises continuously to the point it
> > kills you and therefore it .. proves .. man is a herbivore because one
> > cannot argue a food which kills you is a natural food for you.
>
> Soybeans, lentils and beans and other vegetables have more iron per servin=
g
> than meat, except for chicken livers, so maybe better to eat meat.
>
> * ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp#h2
>
> Best advice is to eat a balanced diet.
>
> Best advice for most is to stay away from absurd arguments like those of
> Chungy and Fe-injustice.
On Apr 26, 4:50 am, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:so maybe better to
eat meat <<
You have COPD do ya .. ?
You have atherosclerosis .. ?
Include an article or two which describes your understanding of the
difference between .. blood .. and .. plant juice.
If I squeeze your head real hard with a vice .. what happens .. ?
Your eye pops out .. and you .. what .. ?
You .. bleeeed ..
Now I do that to a .. cabbage .. what happens .. ?
Cabbage juice pops out.
There is no blood in a plant.
Write that down.
Blood iron is absorbed at a very high rate .. much higher than other
iron .. it is absorbed at foour to ten times the rate of the iron from
your cabbage .. or your .. corn .. or your mushrooms .. or your ..
orange lemons or limes ..
Soooo .. you didn't know the above .. ?
Now you do ..
Oh .. and iron from meat is absorbed all the time whereas the iron
from plants is not absorbed when we don't **need** it ..
Did you know that .. ?
Now you do ..
This iron finally arrives at what is called age-related iron
accumulation .. you know all that iron found in the lungs of those
with COPD .. ?
You didn't know that .. ?
Oh .. I .. think .. you .. did ..
Didn't ya .. ?
I placed it not more than a couple of weeks ..
Now are you still going to tell people with COPD who are often told to
go home and die .. to eat .. meat .. ?
Yes you are ..
Surprising anyone with COPD have survived at all with people like you
and the medical people around.
IE: doctors admitting to all but praying FOR the person with COPD to
die on the steps of their home .. and NOT in the ICU .. because ..
"you mess up the place" ..
Isn't that .. right .. j666 ..
Or didn't you know .. that ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 0:04:55 -0500, ironjust...@aol . com wrote
> (in message
> <875b9348-4f6e-4518-8237-6ee8f0f4a...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > The iron from the meat you eat rises continuously to the point it
> > kills you and therefore it .. proves .. man is a herbivore because one
> > cannot argue a food which kills you is a natural food for you.
>
> Soybeans, lentils and beans and other vegetables have more iron per servin=
g
> than meat, except for chicken livers, so maybe better to eat meat.
>
> * ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp#h2
>
> Best advice is to eat a balanced diet.
>
> Best advice for most is to stay away from absurd arguments like those of
> Chungy and Fe-injustice.
Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:33:03 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<c88d3fb4-bebd-469e-9963-97ca9e211abb@l28g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
> Now you do ..
So Popeye and eating spinach was a hoax.
The amount of iron absorbed from meat and vegetables is inversely
proportional to the iron stores in the body so if iron level gets too high,
the body absorbs less. ..... Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
So are you advocating routine blood letting for normal males and
non-menstruating females - of course those with Polycythemia vera have that
done - a method called phlebotomy is used to treat that when needed ..... Did
you know that .. ? Now you do..
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:33:03 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<c88d3fb4-bebd-469e-9963-97ca9e211abb@l28g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
> Now you do ..
So Popeye and eating spinach was a hoax.
The amount of iron absorbed from meat and vegetables is inversely
proportional to the iron stores in the body so if iron level gets too high,
the body absorbs less. ..... Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
So are you advocating routine blood letting for normal males and
non-menstruating females - of course those with Polycythemia vera have that
done - a method called phlebotomy is used to treat that when needed ..... Did
you know that .. ? Now you do..
Re: Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
On Apr 26, 1:15 pm, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote: So Popeye and
eating spinach was a hoax <<
Hoax .. ?
It's a cartoon .. Popeye is a .. cartoon ..
You didn't know .. that .. ?
Now you do ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
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> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:33:03 -0500, ironjustice wrote
> (in message
> <c88d3fb4-bebd-469e-9963-97ca9e211...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > Now you do ..
>
> So Popeye and eating spinach was a hoax.
>
> The amount of iron absorbed from meat and vegetables is inversely
> proportional to the iron stores in the body so if iron level gets too high=
,
> the body absorbs less. ..... Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
>
> So are you advocating routine blood letting for normal males and
> non-menstruating females - of course those with Polycythemia vera ha=
ve that
> done - a method called phlebotomy is used to treat that when needed ..... =
Did
> you know that .. ? Now you do..
On Apr 26, 1:15 pm, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote: So Popeye and
eating spinach was a hoax <<
Hoax .. ?
It's a cartoon .. Popeye is a .. cartoon ..
You didn't know .. that .. ?
Now you do ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:33:03 -0500, ironjustice wrote
> (in message
> <c88d3fb4-bebd-469e-9963-97ca9e211...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > Now you do ..
>
> So Popeye and eating spinach was a hoax.
>
> The amount of iron absorbed from meat and vegetables is inversely
> proportional to the iron stores in the body so if iron level gets too high=
,
> the body absorbs less. ..... Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
>
> So are you advocating routine blood letting for normal males and
> non-menstruating females - of course those with Polycythemia vera ha=
ve that
> done - a method called phlebotomy is used to treat that when needed ..... =
Did
> you know that .. ? Now you do..
Re: Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:23:28 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<35340b1a-c6a9-4251-9671-a2f0f35f2129@l25g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
> It's a cartoon .. Popeye is a .. cartoon ..
>
> You didn't know .. that .. ?
>
> Now you do ..
Duh - you did not to realize it was a sarcastic statement .... Now you do?
I notice you did not comment about my obvious serious statements so you must
agree with.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:23:28 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<35340b1a-c6a9-4251-9671-a2f0f35f2129@l25g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
> It's a cartoon .. Popeye is a .. cartoon ..
>
> You didn't know .. that .. ?
>
> Now you do ..
Duh - you did not to realize it was a sarcastic statement .... Now you do?
I notice you did not comment about my obvious serious statements so you must
agree with.
Re: Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
On Apr 26, 9:14 pm, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:obvious serious
statements <<
Must have missed those ,,
I find you laughable and only respond when you try to kill somebody or
you besmirch my good name ..
You expect to BE taken seriously .. ?
Point someone out who takes you seriously and then you may be able
to .. claim .. you should be able to BE taken seriously ..
This is sort of like a .. merit .. system ..
Sort like cred .. but better ..
You got cred or merit .. or .. a reference even .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:23:28 -0500, ironjustice wrote
> (in message
> <35340b1a-c6a9-4251-9671-a2f0f35f2...@l25g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > It's a cartoon .. Popeye is a .. cartoon ..
>
> > You didn't know .. that .. ?
>
> > Now you do ..
>
> Duh - you did not to realize it was a sarcastic statement .... Now you do
>
> I notice you did not comment about my obvious serious statements so you mu=
st
> agree with.
On Apr 26, 9:14 pm, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:obvious serious
statements <<
Must have missed those ,,
I find you laughable and only respond when you try to kill somebody or
you besmirch my good name ..
You expect to BE taken seriously .. ?
Point someone out who takes you seriously and then you may be able
to .. claim .. you should be able to BE taken seriously ..
This is sort of like a .. merit .. system ..
Sort like cred .. but better ..
You got cred or merit .. or .. a reference even .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:23:28 -0500, ironjustice wrote
> (in message
> <35340b1a-c6a9-4251-9671-a2f0f35f2...@l25g2000prd.googlegroups . com >):
>
> > It's a cartoon .. Popeye is a .. cartoon ..
>
> > You didn't know .. that .. ?
>
> > Now you do ..
>
> Duh - you did not to realize it was a sarcastic statement .... Now you do
>
> I notice you did not comment about my obvious serious statements so you mu=
st
> agree with.
Will see if ironjustice will respond to the two statements
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 0:05:11 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<9a219063-4ceb-4dfb-9eef-3af6d19beb60@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com >):
> Must have missed those ,
Let see - I posted:
"So Popeye and eating spinach was a hoax.
The amount of iron absorbed from meat and vegetables is inversely
proportional to the iron stores in the body so if iron level gets too high,
the body absorbs less. ..... Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
So are you advocating routine blood letting for normal males and
non-menstruating females - of course those with Polycythemia vera have that
done - a method called phlebotomy is used to treat that when needed ..... Did
you know that .. ? Now you do.."
So you commented about the obvious sarcastic statement about Popeye and
somehow missed the rest. I find that hard to believe, but that is what you
said and everyone can decide for him/herself how credible you are.
OKAY, let me try again.
Is it not true that the iron absorption is inversely proportional to the iron
stores in the body?
Are you advocating that health people, excluding menstruating females, have a
phlebotomy?
WILL YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 0:05:11 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<9a219063-4ceb-4dfb-9eef-3af6d19beb60@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com >):
> Must have missed those ,
Let see - I posted:
"So Popeye and eating spinach was a hoax.
The amount of iron absorbed from meat and vegetables is inversely
proportional to the iron stores in the body so if iron level gets too high,
the body absorbs less. ..... Did you know that .. ? Now you do ..
So are you advocating routine blood letting for normal males and
non-menstruating females - of course those with Polycythemia vera have that
done - a method called phlebotomy is used to treat that when needed ..... Did
you know that .. ? Now you do.."
So you commented about the obvious sarcastic statement about Popeye and
somehow missed the rest. I find that hard to believe, but that is what you
said and everyone can decide for him/herself how credible you are.
OKAY, let me try again.
Is it not true that the iron absorption is inversely proportional to the iron
stores in the body?
Are you advocating that health people, excluding menstruating females, have a
phlebotomy?
WILL YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?
Re: Will see if ironjustice will respond to the two statements
On Apr 26, 10:30 pm, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:WILL YOU ANSWER
THESE QUESTIONS? <<
You got cred or merit .. or .. a reference even .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
On Apr 26, 10:30 pm, J666 <j...@j666mail . com > wrote:WILL YOU ANSWER
THESE QUESTIONS? <<
You got cred or merit .. or .. a reference even .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
* tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
* tinyurl . com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
* tinyurl . com /zk9fk
