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Who Should Die In Pandemic?
Evidence of denial.
These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
They better be watching their own asses before they think about who IS
going to BE dying .. "first" ..
Anyone with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose
lactoferrin is filled right .. up.
I wonder if organ harvesting will continue through .. red .. yellow ..
or green .. alerts .. ?
-----------------------------------
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic?
Provided by: Associated Press
Written by: Lindsey Tanner, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
May. 5, 2008
CHICAGO - Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get
it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will
be deciding who to let die.
Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific
list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They
include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely
burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come
from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and
government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security,
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of
Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals
"so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu
or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha
Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead
writer of the task force report.
The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including
ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform,
objective way, task force members said.
Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May
edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest
Physicians.
"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many
people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health
care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions
owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.
To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike
task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task
force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death
and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get
much more specific, and include:
-People older than 85.
-Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from
car crashes and shootings.
-Severely burned patients older than 60.
-Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced
Alzheimer's disease.
-Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure,
lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency
operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was
on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency
reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University
called the report an important initiative but also "a political
minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age
discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not
on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest,
most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic
disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be
necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns
here."
James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital
Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in
shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the
suggestions.
He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited
health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.
Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been
recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most
detailed one I have seen from a professional group."
While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report
could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley
said.
Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for
everyone."
That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time
before such a health care disaster hits, she said.
"You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by
surprise. We didn't even know it existed."
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
They better be watching their own asses before they think about who IS
going to BE dying .. "first" ..
Anyone with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose
lactoferrin is filled right .. up.
I wonder if organ harvesting will continue through .. red .. yellow ..
or green .. alerts .. ?
-----------------------------------
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic?
Provided by: Associated Press
Written by: Lindsey Tanner, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
May. 5, 2008
CHICAGO - Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get
it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will
be deciding who to let die.
Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific
list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They
include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely
burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come
from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and
government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security,
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of
Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals
"so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu
or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha
Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead
writer of the task force report.
The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including
ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform,
objective way, task force members said.
Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May
edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest
Physicians.
"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many
people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health
care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions
owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.
To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike
task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task
force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death
and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get
much more specific, and include:
-People older than 85.
-Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from
car crashes and shootings.
-Severely burned patients older than 60.
-Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced
Alzheimer's disease.
-Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure,
lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency
operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was
on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency
reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University
called the report an important initiative but also "a political
minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age
discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not
on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest,
most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic
disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be
necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns
here."
James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital
Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in
shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the
suggestions.
He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited
health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.
Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been
recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most
detailed one I have seen from a professional group."
While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report
could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley
said.
Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for
everyone."
That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time
before such a health care disaster hits, she said.
"You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by
surprise. We didn't even know it existed."
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Evidence of denial.
> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
and die by the thousands?
Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
school.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
> Evidence of denial.
> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
and die by the thousands?
Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
school.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
In message <0e60bba0-6b16-4608-988a-cc4cbb5b0951@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Evidence of denial.
>> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
That, or maybe they accept that as part of the job.
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
So -- caregivers (not just MDs, note -- nurses, aids, EMTs, etc.
too) will be early casualties. Don't expect that because you'd
be hiding in a closet everyone else will. Me, I'll be doing my
share of the supportive care. Never enough help, after all.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Evidence of denial.
>> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
That, or maybe they accept that as part of the job.
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
So -- caregivers (not just MDs, note -- nurses, aids, EMTs, etc.
too) will be early casualties. Don't expect that because you'd
be hiding in a closet everyone else will. Me, I'll be doing my
share of the supportive care. Never enough help, after all.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Evidence of denial.
> > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
>
> Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> school.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
Death",
if you recall the paintings from the period.
This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
your time? ;-)
Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Evidence of denial.
> > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
>
> Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> school.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
Death",
if you recall the paintings from the period.
This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
your time? ;-)
Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.
In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc4bf@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1972@gmail.com | wrote:
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
special mask <<
If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
this ..
Contact me I will explain it to you ..
You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
offered or at anywhere near the expense.
It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
mask.
It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
intake of volatiles from the product.
It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
What do you guys think ..
Will it take .. off .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Evidence of denial.
> > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for=
> > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they=
> > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > and die by the thousands?
>
> > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > school.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
> if you recall the paintings from the period.
> This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> your time? ;-)
> Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide q=
uoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
special mask <<
If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
this ..
Contact me I will explain it to you ..
You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
offered or at anywhere near the expense.
It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
mask.
It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
intake of volatiles from the product.
It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
What do you guys think ..
Will it take .. off .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Evidence of denial.
> > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for=
> > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they=
> > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > and die by the thousands?
>
> > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > school.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
> if you recall the paintings from the period.
> This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> your time? ;-)
> Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide q=
uoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"<trigonometry1...@gmail=
.com> wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> special mask <<
>
> If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> this ..
>
> Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> mask.
Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
> It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
> I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> What do you guys think ..
We want to select the test subjects.
>
> Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
> > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case f=
or
> > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that th=
ey
> > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to=
> > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb=
> > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the=
> > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > > school.
>
> > > DrCee
> > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
> > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > your time? ;-)
> > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"<trigonometry1...@gmail=
.com> wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> special mask <<
>
> If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> this ..
>
> Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> mask.
Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
> It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
> I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> What do you guys think ..
We want to select the test subjects.
>
> Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
> > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case f=
or
> > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that th=
ey
> > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to=
> > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb=
> > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the=
> > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > > school.
>
> > > DrCee
> > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
> > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > your time? ;-)
> > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
On May 10, 11:32 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:Have you applied for a patent on
your invention?<<
The process is so simple that the only way I think I migtht be able to
patent it is maybe going the route of patenting the process of HOW to
do it .. as in "must hold arm at certain angle and must look up and
away to the left during a windy .. day .." .. and WHEN you
DO .. do .. 'that' .. you MUST legally send me some .. cash ..
Ah .. hell ..
You peel an orange ..
You squeeze the juice onto your mask.
You put your mask on as you get ready to leave {this gives the juice
time to vaporize in the lung] creating a vaporized volatile
**barrier** between the surface of the lung plus you get the physical
barrier of the mask itself permeated with triterpenoids with virucidal
properties.
Pretty simple and theoretically very effective ..
Would work with a hankerchief or sock in a pinch.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"<trigonometry1...@gma=
il.com> wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> > special mask <<
>
> > If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> > this ..
>
> > Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> > You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> > offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> > It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> > mask.
>
> Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
> And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
> Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
>
>
> > It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> > intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> > It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
>
> Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
>
>
> > I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> > What do you guys think ..
>
> We want to select the test subjects.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
> > > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die wil=
l
> > > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case=
for
> > > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that =
they
> > > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed =
to
> > > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succo=
mb
> > > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer t=
he
> > > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med=
> > > > school.
>
> > > > DrCee
> > > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,=
> > > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > > Death",
> > > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > > your time? ;-)
> > > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:Have you applied for a patent on
your invention?<<
The process is so simple that the only way I think I migtht be able to
patent it is maybe going the route of patenting the process of HOW to
do it .. as in "must hold arm at certain angle and must look up and
away to the left during a windy .. day .." .. and WHEN you
DO .. do .. 'that' .. you MUST legally send me some .. cash ..
Ah .. hell ..
You peel an orange ..
You squeeze the juice onto your mask.
You put your mask on as you get ready to leave {this gives the juice
time to vaporize in the lung] creating a vaporized volatile
**barrier** between the surface of the lung plus you get the physical
barrier of the mask itself permeated with triterpenoids with virucidal
properties.
Pretty simple and theoretically very effective ..
Would work with a hankerchief or sock in a pinch.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"<trigonometry1...@gma=
il.com> wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> > special mask <<
>
> > If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> > this ..
>
> > Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> > You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> > offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> > It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> > mask.
>
> Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
> And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
> Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
>
>
> > It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> > intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> > It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
>
> Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
>
>
> > I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> > What do you guys think ..
>
> We want to select the test subjects.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
> > > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die wil=
l
> > > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case=
for
> > > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that =
they
> > > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed =
to
> > > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succo=
mb
> > > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer t=
he
> > > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med=
> > > > school.
>
> > > > DrCee
> > > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,=
> > > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > > Death",
> > > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > > your time? ;-)
> > > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nobody should die.
Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
certain types of epidemics.
Citizen Jimserac
Nobody should die.
Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
certain types of epidemics.
Citizen Jimserac
In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
: Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
: are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
: certain types of epidemics.
Which epidemics would those be?
-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
: Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
: are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
: certain types of epidemics.
Which epidemics would those be?
-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
schultr@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>: Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
>: are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
>: certain types of epidemics.
>
>Which epidemics would those be?
I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
>In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>: Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
>: are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
>: certain types of epidemics.
>
>Which epidemics would those be?
I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
> preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
> I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
> preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
> > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
that something, ANYTHING works.
You've never been really sick have you?
Citizen Jimserac
> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
> > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
that something, ANYTHING works.
You've never been really sick have you?
Citizen Jimserac
On May 11, 7:53 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopath=
s
> > > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> > > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C=
> > > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> > > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> > Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> > and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> > into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> > the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> > the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
> Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
> attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
> that something, ANYTHING works.
>
> You've never been really sick have you?
I have been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
conventional medicine.
> On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopath=
s
> > > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> > > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C=
> > > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> > > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> > Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> > and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> > into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> > the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> > the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
> Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
> attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
> that something, ANYTHING works.
>
> You've never been really sick have you?
I have been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
conventional medicine.
On May 12, 5:46 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:I have
been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
conventional medicine <<
Bushtuck .. you got to keep abreast .. of the bushtuck ..
"Mammalian milk"
Pardon the pun ..
Ochoa TJ, Cleary TG
Effect of lactoferrin on enteric pathogens. [JOURNAL ARTICLE]
Biochimie 2008 Apr 18.
Much has been learned in recent years about the mechanisms by which
breastfeeding improves child health and survival. However, there has
been little progress in using these insights to improve pediatric
care. Factors that are important for protecting the breast fed infant
might be expected to decrease the adverse effects of weaning on
diarrhea, growth, and development. Lactoferrin, an iron-binding
protein with multiple physiological functions (anti-microbial, anti-
inflammatory, and immunomodulatory), is one of the most important
proteins present in mammalian milk. Protection against gastroenteritis
is the most likely biologically relevant activity of lactoferrin.
Multiple in vitro and animal studies have shown a protective effect of
lactoferrin on infections with enteric microorganisms, including
rotavirus, Giardia, Shigella, Salmonella and the diarrheagenic
Escherichia coli. Lactoferrin has two major effects on enteric
pathogens: it inhibits growth and it impairs function of surface
expressed virulence factors thereby decreasing their ability to adhere
or to invade mammalian cells. Thus, lactoferrin may protect infants
from gastrointestinal infection by preventing the attachment by
enteropathogens in the gut. Recently several clinical trials in
children have started to address this issue. Whether lactoferrin can
prevent a significant portion of diarrheal disease remains to be
determined.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
Biochimie [Biochimie]
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On May 11, 7:53 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > > > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopa=
ths
> > > > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > > > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the=
> > > > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > > > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > > > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > > > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread th=
e
> > > > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > > > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 20=
0C
> > > > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than=
> > > > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> > > Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> > > and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> > > into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> > > the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> > > the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
> > Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
> > attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
> > that something, ANYTHING works.
>
> > You've never been really sick have you?
>
> I have been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
> conventional medicine.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
conventional medicine <<
Bushtuck .. you got to keep abreast .. of the bushtuck ..
"Mammalian milk"
Pardon the pun ..
Ochoa TJ, Cleary TG
Effect of lactoferrin on enteric pathogens. [JOURNAL ARTICLE]
Biochimie 2008 Apr 18.
Much has been learned in recent years about the mechanisms by which
breastfeeding improves child health and survival. However, there has
been little progress in using these insights to improve pediatric
care. Factors that are important for protecting the breast fed infant
might be expected to decrease the adverse effects of weaning on
diarrhea, growth, and development. Lactoferrin, an iron-binding
protein with multiple physiological functions (anti-microbial, anti-
inflammatory, and immunomodulatory), is one of the most important
proteins present in mammalian milk. Protection against gastroenteritis
is the most likely biologically relevant activity of lactoferrin.
Multiple in vitro and animal studies have shown a protective effect of
lactoferrin on infections with enteric microorganisms, including
rotavirus, Giardia, Shigella, Salmonella and the diarrheagenic
Escherichia coli. Lactoferrin has two major effects on enteric
pathogens: it inhibits growth and it impairs function of surface
expressed virulence factors thereby decreasing their ability to adhere
or to invade mammalian cells. Thus, lactoferrin may protect infants
from gastrointestinal infection by preventing the attachment by
enteropathogens in the gut. Recently several clinical trials in
children have started to address this issue. Whether lactoferrin can
prevent a significant portion of diarrheal disease remains to be
determined.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
Biochimie [Biochimie]
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On May 11, 7:53 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > > > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopa=
ths
> > > > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > > > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the=
> > > > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > > > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > > > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > > > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread th=
e
> > > > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > > > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 20=
0C
> > > > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than=
> > > > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> > > Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> > > and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> > > into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> > > the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> > > the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
> > Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
> > attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
> > that something, ANYTHING works.
>
> > You've never been really sick have you?
>
> I have been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
> conventional medicine.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
