Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?


"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail,com > wrote in message
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On May 11, 7:53 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> > > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
> > > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
> > > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
> > > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
> > > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
> > > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
> > > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>
> > Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
> > and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
> > into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
> > the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
> > the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
> Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
> attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
> that something, ANYTHING works.
>
> You've never been really sick have you?

I have been . Malaria and Dyssentery at the same time. Treated by
conventional medicine.
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For those of you who have responded to my postings since Friday and have yet
to get a response...patience.

I was hospitalized on Friday morning with a GI bleeding problem and had to
receive 5 units of blood (that is around a 2/3rds loss of blood, hemoglobin
was 5.2) before a very qualified gastroenterologist found the problem and
fixed it.


I am taking it easy until I am fully recovered and will be only spending a
few minutes on line until the weekend.



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For those of you who have responded to my postings since Friday and have yet
to get a response...patience.

I was hospitalized on Friday morning with a GI bleeding problem and had to
receive 5 units of blood (that is around a 2/3rds loss of blood, hemoglobin
was 5.2) before a very qualified gastroenterologist found the problem and
fixed it.

I am taking it easy until I am fully recovered and will be only spending a
few minutes on line until the weekend.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:

>On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
>> > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
>> > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
>> > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>>
>> > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
>> > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
>> > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
>> > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
>> > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
>> > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
>> > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>>
>> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
>> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
>> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
>> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
>> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
>Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
>attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
>that something, ANYTHING works.

And it won't be homeopathy.

>
>You've never been really sick have you?

Not sick enough to fall for nonsense.

>
>Citizen Jimserac

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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Too foolish to continue.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 12, 4:01 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Too foolish to continue.

You are, of course, correct.

What is particularly funny is their attempt to maintain the appearance
of rational argument while spouting a never ending list of fallacies,
denials of positive results, citations of the Lancet anti-Homeopathy
issue and other innuendo...

For those interested in reading real research articles about
Homeopathy applications to major and chronic illnesses, for those
whose minds have not been closed
by zombies for whom any new breakthrough, any change in the status quo
of orthodoxy is seen as a threat to the hobgobblin like consistency of
their little minds,
the links are EASILY found, for example THIS one:

http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp


Homeopathic research is growing every day, by leaps and bounds, and
SOME of the testing, not all, just some, is coming back positive. It
may be that Homeopathy works exactly as advertised or may be something
else or maybe this placebo effect that these "scientifically" minded
respondents keep talking about but which they cannot define or
explain.

Neither dark ages thought control nor innuendo is
going to keep sick people from discovering the
power of Homeopathy to dramatically improve
their conditions, nor will the obstinate
resentment of the orthodox who expend more time
trying to kill research in alternative fields
of medicine than in trying to improve the obvious
limitations and DANGERS of their own.

Citizen Jimserac

Again, that web site is:
http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

again I offer my 75000 gallons of pool water to send to you

would be about as effective...at least it has measurable amounts of chlorine
in it


"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:b7fc3935-9284-4e5c-8ec7-608c8f8e0702@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 12, 4:01 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> Too foolish to continue.
>
> You are, of course, correct.
>
> What is particularly funny is their attempt to maintain the appearance
> of rational argument while spouting a never ending list of fallacies,
> denials of positive results, citations of the Lancet anti-Homeopathy
> issue and other innuendo...
>
> For those interested in reading real research articles about
> Homeopathy applications to major and chronic illnesses, for those
> whose minds have not been closed
> by zombies for whom any new breakthrough, any change in the status quo
> of orthodoxy is seen as a threat to the hobgobblin like consistency of
> their little minds,
> the links are EASILY found, for example THIS one:
>
> http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp
>
>
> Homeopathic research is growing every day, by leaps and bounds, and
> SOME of the testing, not all, just some, is coming back positive. It
> may be that Homeopathy works exactly as advertised or may be something
> else or maybe this placebo effect that these "scientifically" minded
> respondents keep talking about but which they cannot define or
> explain.
>
> Neither dark ages thought control nor innuendo is
> going to keep sick people from discovering the
> power of Homeopathy to dramatically improve
> their conditions, nor will the obstinate
> resentment of the orthodox who expend more time
> trying to kill research in alternative fields
> of medicine than in trying to improve the obvious
> limitations and DANGERS of their own.
>
> Citizen Jimserac
>
> Again, that web site is:
> http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp
>
>

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 12, 6:58 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
again I offer my 75000 gallons of pool water to send to you <<

Here I offer you a spoonful of iron filings ..

Now what are YOU going to do with it .. ?

"Let's inject it into some kid "..


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>
> would be about as effective...at least it has measurable amounts of chlorine
> in it
>
> "Citizen Jimserac" <Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:b7fc3935-9284-4e5c-8ec7-608c8f8e0702@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 4:01 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >> Too foolish to continue.
>
> > You are, of course, correct.
>
> > What is particularly funny is their attempt to maintain the appearance
> > of rational argument while spouting a never ending list of fallacies,
> > denials of positive results, citations of the Lancet anti-Homeopathy
> > issue and other innuendo...
>
> > For those interested in reading real research articles about
> > Homeopathy applications to major and chronic illnesses,  for those
> > whose minds have not been closed
> > by zombies for whom any new breakthrough, any change in the status quo
> > of orthodoxy is seen as a threat to the hobgobblin like consistency of
> > their little minds,
> > the links are EASILY found, for example THIS one:
>
> > http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp
>
> > Homeopathic research is growing every day, by leaps and bounds, and
> > SOME of the testing, not all, just some, is coming back positive.  It
> > may be that Homeopathy works exactly as advertised or may be something
> > else or maybe this placebo effect that these "scientifically" minded
> > respondents keep talking about but which they cannot define or
> > explain.
>
> > Neither dark ages thought control nor innuendo is
> > going to keep sick people from discovering the
> > power of Homeopathy to dramatically improve
> > their conditions, nor will the obstinate
> > resentment of the orthodox who expend more time
> > trying to kill research in alternative fields
> > of medicine than in trying to improve the obvious
> > limitations and DANGERS of their own.
>
> > Citizen Jimserac
>
> > Again, that web site is:
> > http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

And NOW!!!!!!!!!! we return to the subject line!!!

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 13, 5:58 am, "news" <tool...@gmail,com > wrote:
And NOW!!!!!!!!!! we return to the subject line!!! <<

If I were a .. front line .. worker ..I might look at it like one
might look at it when one gets cancer.

One runs around in your mind like a little kid screaming.

The outward is one takes ALL methods into account ..

People can take all the .. nothing has been proven .. BUT .. one must
admit to the facts .. and the facts state homeopathy HAS been used for
centuries.

because it DOESN'T and NEVER ..worked ..and if it did it was ..
MAGIC ..??

Come on ..

There were hospitals all over Europe and the civilized world
everywhere ..

Lets get reasonable ..

Anyone who claims homeopathy simply .. "doesn't work" .. is kind of a
loon .. and anyone who takes the .. tack .. of .. ATTACKING simply on
the basis of .. "it hasn't been PROVEN!!!".. is kind of a .. loon ..

imho ..

But I'm just into health analysis ..man ..


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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 12, 9:58 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> again I offer my 75000 gallons of pool water to send to you

And again I urge you to consider the evidence
for something that might be of great benefit
to alleviate the suffering of illness.

Go to, for example,
http :// www .rustumroy,com /
and click on the "recent water papers link".
Dr. Roy is a fully qualified researcher with
impressive scientific credentials which are listed
right there at his site.

Dr. Roy's comments, "It's NOT "Just Water" Anymore,
addresses the common fallacy which you have
repeated mindlessly in your jibes.

Here are some of his comments:
(from "It's Not 'Just Water' Anymore"
http :// www .rustumroy,com /structure%20of%20water.htm

"Just the Facts

Since Lavoisier, Faraday, and Priestley’s mid-19th century work, water
—
as every schoolboy knows is H2O—chemically made up of two hydrogen
atoms and one of oxygen. Regrettably, for most scientists and
physicians
that is about all they know about water. They should surely be aware
that
water, H2O is, also, without near competitor, the most anomalous,
odd,
peculiar, material on earth. The list of very different properties
listed below
are so striking that everyone should know water for the oddity it is—
yet no one recognizes that for the huge opportunity it presents.

WATER…has the highest dielectric constant of any common liquid, hence
its action as a nearly universal solvent.

WATER…has 64 different and highly anomalous changes in properties.
(Later, the reader will learn that this demands that water have nearly
the same number of different structures.)

WATER…melts at a very high temperature (for such a liquid) and
requires a great deal of energy or heat (enthalpy) to melt it, or boil
it.

WATER…when frozen can be changed into a dozen different
thermodynamically stable, structures of ice—all with different
properties.

WATER…if cooled rapidly, can be made into glass—indeed even many
different glasses.

WATER…forms a myriad of molecular aggregates, some in the vapor
phase, involving 2–200 H2O units."


Peter Bowditch a while back called Dr Roy an idiot because
of some letters to the editor he had written and yet here we have
major scientific
papers coming from this scientist - such as the one published
recently in 2008 demonstrating polarized RF radiation catalyzed
dissociation of salt water solutions. I'd say
Dr. Roy is the productive scientist and Peter Bowditch
is talking like an idiot when he makes such assertions.

Is any of this "proof" of Homeopathy? NO! It is only
steps along the road of research. But by displaying
your IGNORANCE of the research and details
you have unwittingly made yourself a pawn
of those who feel SO THREATENED by
Homeopathy that they would necessitate
the shutting down of ALL research
and the closure of all investigation
regarding it. THIS is NOT, I submit
the reaction of scientifically minded peoples.
It IS hysteria, innuendo and a kind of
dark ages demonization of that which
is on the border of the unknown. If
such an attitude had been displayed
early in the 20th century, there would
have been NO quantum mechanics
and NO relativity and yet, they defy
common sense and yet are real and do exist.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In message <c03bfeef-5c60-4951-a685-33ed29b253f7@b5g2000pri.googlegroups,com >, Citizen Jimserac wrote:

> And again I urge you to consider the evidence
> for something that might be of great benefit
> to alleviate the suffering of illness.

You mean Lourdes water? Or perhaps exorcism?

Both are proven by time and have a much better track record
of patient testimonials than any of the treatments that
you have been proposing.

--
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+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 12, 5:28 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote:For
those interested in reading <<

http :// www .mnwelldir.org/printable/healthcare.htm

The latter half of the 19th century was homeopathy’s heyday. Regular
physicians could hardly compete with them. By 1902 homeopaths did
seven times the business of allopaths and there were 15,000 practicing
homeopathic physicians in the US. “There were 22 homeopathic medical
schools, more than 100 homeopathic hospitals, over 60 orphan asylums
and old people's homes, and 1,000+ homeopathic pharmacies in the
US.” [ http :// www .homeopathic,com /articles/intro/history.php]


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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> On May 12, 4:01 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Too foolish to continue.
>
> You are, of course, correct.
>
> What is particularly funny is their attempt to maintain the appearance
> of rational argument while spouting a never ending list of fallacies,
> denials of positive results, citations of the Lancet anti-Homeopathy
> issue and other innuendo...
>
> For those interested in reading real research articles about
> Homeopathy applications to major and chronic illnesses,  for those
> whose minds have not been closed
> by zombies for whom any new breakthrough, any change in the status quo
> of orthodoxy is seen as a threat to the hobgobblin like consistency of
> their little minds,
> the links are EASILY found, for example THIS one:
>
> http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp
>
> Homeopathic research is growing every day, by leaps and bounds, and
> SOME of the testing, not all, just some, is coming back positive.  It
> may be that Homeopathy works exactly as advertised or may be something
> else or maybe this placebo effect that these "scientifically" minded
> respondents keep talking about but which they cannot define or
> explain.
>
> Neither dark ages thought control nor innuendo is
> going to keep sick people from discovering the
> power of Homeopathy to dramatically improve
> their conditions, nor will the obstinate
> resentment of the orthodox who expend more time
> trying to kill research in alternative fields
> of medicine than in trying to improve the obvious
> limitations and DANGERS of their own.
>
> Citizen Jimserac
>
> Again, that web site is: http :// nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/research.jsp

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:

>On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
>> > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
>> > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
>> > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>>
>> > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
>> > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
>> > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
>> > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
>> > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
>> > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
>> > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>>
>> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
>> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
>> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
>> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
>> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>
>Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
>attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
>that something, ANYTHING works.
>
I'll be more then happy to come over to your house & swing a
dead-chicken around your head while Old Goat Bleats.

>You've never been really sick have you?
>
Your chronicalyy sick aren't you? In a delusional kind-of a way!
>Citizen Jimserac
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In message <9dkk245e43kk3krdrefe7qfrjrmk4hravs@4ax,com >, Zomby-Woof@cox,net wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
> <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:
>>On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:

>>> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
>>> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
>>> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
>>> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
>>> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>>
>>Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
>>attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
>>that something, ANYTHING works.
>>
> I'll be more then happy to come over to your house & swing a
> dead-chicken around your head while Old Goat Bleats.

Fool! Charlatan! You can't use chickens.
You have to tie the right knots in fresh pig's
entrails.

--
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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?


<Zomby-Woof@cox,net > wrote:

<snip stupidity>

> On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
> <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
>>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>>
>>> > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
>>> > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
>>> > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
>>> > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>>>
>>> > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
>>> > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
>>> > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
>>> > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
>>> > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
>>> > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
>>> > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>>>
>>> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
>>> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
>>> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
>>> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
>>> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>>
>>Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
>>attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
>>that something, ANYTHING works.
>>
>
>>You've never been really sick have you?
>>
> Your chronicalyy sick aren't you? In a delusional kind-of a way!
>>Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Much better now.
<Zomby-Woof@cox,net > wrote in message
news:9dkk245e43kk3krdrefe7qfrjrmk4hravs@4ax,com ...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
> <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 5:11 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
>>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>>
>>> > I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
>>> > sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
>>> > visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
>>> > almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>>>
>>> > Perhaps HSF is too busy fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the
>>> > autism epidemic in California or the obesity epidemic in Australian
>>> > schools. You would imagine, however, that the thinner they spread the
>>> > resources the more effective they would be, given the principle of
>>> > infinitesimals. I suppose that you could argue that by applying a 200C
>>> > preparation of homeopaths to Rangoon they could do a better job than
>>> > if even a single homeopath managed to get in to the place.
>>>
>>> Why not toss a master tincture into the ocean in France,
>>> and rely on diffusion and wave action to turn the seawater
>>> into medicine? Heck, in that case, the storm surge from
>>> the typhoon would be distributing healthful remedies to
>>> the people who need them. Job done, mission accomplished!
>>
>>Oh ho! Hilarious! UNLESS, that is, you are DYING of an influenza
>>attack. THEN you will, I PROMISE YOU, lose all humor and hope to god
>>that something, ANYTHING works.
>>

>>You've never been really sick have you?
>>
>>Citizen Jimserac
> --