Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 4:53 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags,com > wrote:
> schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> >In misc.health.alternative CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >: Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> >: are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> >: certain types of epidemics.
>
> >Which epidemics would those be?
>
> I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>

Great idea but the scum regime running that country appears poised to
control every scrap of aid that comes in. Knowing them from past
repressions, the pathetic
bastards will probably try to sell it elsewhere and let their own
people die.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags,com > wrote:

: I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
: sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
: visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
: almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.

Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?

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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 10:16 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags,com > wrote:
>
> : I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
> : sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> : visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> : almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
> when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz                              schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .

It is a way for the BBC and it government to is register its dislike
for the current military government. Some Burmese
opposition groups also reject the name change.
Anyway it was only the English transliteration they
changed as I recall.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 12, 4:43 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 11, 10:16 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags,com > wrote:
>
> > : I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
> > : sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > : visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > : almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
> > when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?
>
> > -----
> > Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
> > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> > -----
> > The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .
>
> It is a way for the BBC and it government to is register its dislike
> for the current military government. Some Burmese
> opposition groups also reject the name change.
> Anyway it was only the English transliteration they
> changed as I recall.

Kudos to the BBC. The exploitative wretches who need to shoot unarmed
Buddhist monks and starve the population in order to stay in power,
need to be exposed for the anti-human monsters that they are.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:

> It is a way for the BBC and it government to is register its dislike
> for the current military government. Some Burmese
> opposition groups also reject the name change.
> Anyway it was only the English transliteration they
> changed as I recall.

The young nurse I work with who is from Burma calls it Burma also.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast,net > wrote in message
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> trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
>
>> It is a way for the BBC and it government to is register its dislike
>> for the current military government. Some Burmese
>> opposition groups also reject the name change.
>> Anyway it was only the English transliteration they
>> changed as I recall.
>
> The young nurse I work with who is from Burma calls it Burma also.

These days, it is considered simple good manners to refer to a country by
the name they choose, in preference to an old colonial convention.

But if you choose to call Mumbai 'Bombay' or Myanmar 'Burma', few people
will lose sleep.

Just don't push your luck and call Zimbabwe 'Southern Rhodesia', or your
colonial preferences will bounce back and bite you.
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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

schultr@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags,com > wrote:
>
>: I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
>: sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
>: visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
>: almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
>Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
>when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?

I don't know, but all the Australian media seem to have reverted to
"Burma" as well.

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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags,com > wrote:

:>Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
:>when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?
:
: I don't know, but all the Australian media seem to have reverted to
: "Burma" as well.

I found a page on the BBC web site in which they explained that their
continued use of "Burma" is to express their disapproval of the regime.
It's kind of like their decision not to call anyone a "terrorist" unless
he belongs to the IRA.

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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 2:10 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> : certain types of epidemics.
>
> Which epidemics would those be?
>

Well, just for starters, how about influenza?

National Center for Complementary and
Alternative Medicine government National
Institute of Health website
at:
http :// nccam.nih.gov/health/homeopathy/#a1

You are directed to click on Appendix
1 link and read of the various tests
some positive, some negative regarding
Homeopathy. Here you will see for
example THIS:

"The homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum appears safe and effective in
reducing the duration of influenza, but has no effect on prevention."

I don't know what universe YOU are living in,
but in mine, "safe and effective in reducing the duration of
influenza" sure means something good.

Maybe not in yours, one can never tell about that
many worlds stuff. Who knows, maybe in your universe
people enjoy dying from influenza.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:

:> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
:> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
:> : certain types of epidemics.
:>
:> Which epidemics would those be?

: "The homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum appears safe and effective in
: reducing the duration of influenza, but has no effect on prevention."

I see no reference in the sentence that you quote either to survival rates
(i.e. reducing the number of deaths), nor do I see any reference to its
use during any kind of epidemic.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Richard Schultz wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> :> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> :> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> :> : certain types of epidemics.
> :>
> :> Which epidemics would those be?
>
> : "The homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum appears safe and effective in
> : reducing the duration of influenza, but has no effect on prevention."
>
> I see no reference in the sentence that you quote either to survival rates
> (i.e. reducing the number of deaths), nor do I see any reference to its
> use during any kind of epidemic.
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
> but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

Professor--

Who's the quote about Ciccolini from?

Steve

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinmung@earthlink,net > wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:

:> "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
:> but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

: Who's the quote about Ciccolini from?

http :// us.imdb,com /title/tt0023969/

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I've lost my harmonica, Albert."

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Richard Schultz wrote:
>
> : Who's the quote about Ciccolini from?
>
> http :// us.imdb,com /title/tt0023969/
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "I've lost my harmonica, Albert."


I knew it sounded familiar--thanks!

Steve

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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 2:10 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> : certain types of epidemics.
>
> Which epidemics would those be?

Droughts.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 8:55 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail,com > wrote:
Nobody should die. <<

They will begin dying in hoards as soon as Unicef and WHO start to
distribute the pathogen feeding **iron fortified** food.

"Importance of iron in the growth and survival of V. cholerae"

Biometals. 2007 Jan 10;
Iron acquisition in Vibrio cholerae.
Wyckoff EE, Mey AR, Payne SM.
Section of Molecular Genetics and Microbiology, University of Texas
at
Austin, 1 University Station A5000, Austin, TX, 78712, USA,
ewyck...@mail.utexas.edu.

Vibrio cholerae, the causative agent of cholera, has an absolute
requirement for iron and must obtain this element in the human host
as
well as in its varied environmental niches. It has multiple systems
for
iron acquisition, including the TonB-dependent transport of heme, the
endogenous siderophore vibriobactin and several siderophores that are
produced by other microorganisms. There is also a Feo system for the
transport of ferrous iron and an ABC transporter, Fbp, which
transports
ferric iron. There appears to be at least one additional high
affinity
iron transport system that has not yet been identified. In iron
replete
conditions, iron acquisition genes are repressed by Fur. Fur also
represses the synthesis of a small, regulatory RNA, RyhB, which
negatively regulates genes for iron-containing proteins involved in
the
tricarboxylic acid cycle and respiration as well as genes for
motility
and chemotaxis. The redundancy in iron transport systems has made it
more difficult to determine the role of individual systems in vivo
and
in vitro, but it may reflect the overall importance of iron in the
growth and survival of V. cholerae.


PMID: 17216354
-------------------------
" Iron deficiency associated with protection from mild clinical
malaria"

J Infect Dis. 2004 Aug 1;190(3):439-447. Epub 2004 Jul 02. Related
Articles,
Links


Iron Deficiency and Malaria among Children Living on the Coast of
Kenya.


Nyakeriga AM, Troye-Blomberg M, Dorfman JR, Alexander ND, Back R,
Kortok M,
Chemtai AK, Marsh K, Williams TN.


Kenya Medical Research Institute/Wellcome Trust Programme, Centre for
Geographic Medicine Research, Coast, Kilifi District Hospital, Kilifi,
and
Faculty of Health Sciences, Moi University, Eldoret, Kenya; Department
of
Immunology, Wenner-Gren Institute, Stockholm University, Stockholm,
Sweden.
nyaker...@imun.su.se.


Both iron deficiency and malaria are common in much of sub-Saharan
Africa, and
the interaction between these conditions is complex. To investigate
the
association between nutritional iron status, immunoglobulins, and
clinical
Plasmodium falciparum malaria, we determined the incidence of malaria
in a
cohort of children between the ages of 8 months and 8 years who were
living on
the Kenyan coast. Biochemical iron status and malaria-specific immune
responses
were determined during 2 cross-sectional surveys. We found that the
incidence
of clinical malaria was significantly lower among iron-deficient
children
(incidence-rate ratio [IRR], 0.70; 95% confidence interval [CI],
0.51-0.99;
P<.05), that the incidence of malaria was significantly associated
with plasma
ferritin concentration (IRR for log ferritin concentration, 1.48; 95%
CI,
1.01-2.17; P<.05), and that iron status was strongly associated with a
range of
malaria-specific immunoglobulins. We conclude that iron deficiency
was
associated with protection from mild clinical malaria in our cohort of
children
in coastal Kenya and discuss possible mechanisms for this protection.


PMID: 15243915 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


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> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> Nobody should die.
>
> Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> certain types of epidemics.
>
> Citizen Jimserac