Re: [SpinLyme] IDSA, Multiple Sclerosis, Immune Suppression, Cysts, Culturing

Re: [SpinLyme] IDSA, Multiple Sclerosis, Immune Suppression, Cysts, Culturing

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Subject: Re: [SpinLyme] IDSA
Date: Apr 15, 2008 3:29 AM

Thank you.

There is considerable older data on spirochetes as a primary cause of
Multiple Sclerosis,
especially when you look at the older antibody data from 60+ years
ago, and now
that we know about these culture methods:
http :// www .actionlyme.org/IDSA JOHNSONCULTURING.htm
and the immune suppression associated with chronic infection:
http :// www .actionlyme.org/BIOWEAPONEERS CORIXA YALE TLRS.htm

Alan Barbour's other business partner (beside's Sweden's Sven
Bergstrom),
as you recall, re-discovered that 30 days of ceftriaxone does not
eradicate the
spirochetes from the brains of mice:
http :// www .actionlyme.org/LYME IS A PERMANENT BRAIN INFECTION.htm
and we can find out who, among the cabalists, has read David Nelson's
"reversion
to the intact spirochete form" report:
http :// www .actionlyme.org/IDSA CYST VIABLE.htm
http :// www .actionlyme.org/BOGUS RUSSIAN NYMC ARTICLES.htm

It's kinda funny how the wave of medical bullshit has become an
unpopular endeavor,
yet these self-alleged researchers try to maintain their integrity:
http :// www .nytimes,com /2008/04/15/health/15conf.html?pagewanted=2&8dpc
"I resent the bloggers exposing my conflicts of interest and being
forced to
pass up the money."

ROTFLMAO.

Kathleen

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>To: SpinLyme@yahoogroups,com
>Subject: [SpinLyme] IDSA "Lyme experts'" Lyme quotes
>
>This hasn't been updated or expanded for some years but it's still
shows how biased these IDSA Lyme people are and the misinformation
they spread...
>
>`Barbour
>
>"Lyme disease is rarely fatal: only a few deaths are attributable to the
disease in the entire world":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, in Lyme Disease, The Cause, The Cure, The Controversy, page
34
>
>
>
> "[Lyme disease] is curable and stigma-free":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, ibid., page 192
>
>
>
>"Lyme disease bacteria remain in the skin for two or more days until spreading
to the other parts of the body. Until the microorganisms spread, there
is no need
for an antibiotic that is distributed throughout the body":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, Lyme Disease, The Cause, The Cure, The Controversy, page
225
>
>
>"Like Lyme disease, CFS and fibromyalgia are diagnosed using strict criteria
that have been agreed upon by physicians and other experts. . . .
Diagnoses of CFS,
fibromyalgia and chronic Lyme disease undoubtedly are being made in
cases that do
not fully meet the strict criteria":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, Lyme Disease, The Cause, The Cure, The Controversy, pages
202-203
>
>
>
>"Many consider Lyme disease to be a nuisance that involves a trip to the
physician's office every year or two and a few weeks of antibiotics":
>-Alan G. Barbour, MD, Lyme Disease, The Cause, The Cure, The Controversy, page
243
>
>
>
>". . . a topical antibiotic to prevent Lyme disease after a tick bite is
desirable":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, Lyme Disease, The Cause, The Cure, The Controversy, page
244
>
>
>
>"An antibiotic ointment might prevent infection from other bacteria but
would likely have little effect on B. burgdorferi":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, ibid., page 222
>
>
>
>"For many people who become infected with Lyme disease spirochetes, this
immune response that limits the erythema rash is sufficient to cure
them of the
infection. The spirochetes have either been completely eliminated from
the body
or so limited in their spread that they no longer can cause harm":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, ibid., page 8
>
>
>
>"Eventually, antibodies, perhaps aided by lymphocytes, attach to spirochetes
in the blood and remove them from the circulation. However, by the
time that occurs,
some spirochetes have left the blood and entered distant organs. They
are able to
do this because they can attach themselves to the sides of blood
vessels and then
penetrate the cells that line veins and arteries. Once they reach the
other side
of the blood vessels, spirochetes can reside and move in the liquid
between cells":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, ibid., page 9
>
>
>
>A B. burgdorferi organism may spend some of its life inside cells. After all,
for these bacteria to leave the blood and go into tissues, they must
pass through
cells that line the blood vessels. . . . these intracellular
spirochetes can escape
the effects of the antibiotics that do not penetrate into cells well.
When an antibiotic
of that class is stopped, so the argument goes, the live bacteria
inside the cells
could reseed the rest of the body":
>-Alan Barbour, ibid., pages 125-126
>
>
>
>"The fact that the N.I.H. plans to spend about $4 million on this study
[the long-term use of antibiotics to treat Lyme disease] means less
money for more
useful projects":
>-Alan Barbour, MD, in The New York Times OP-ED of July 5, 1997
>
>
>
>"Lyme disease is primarily a disorder of suburban, educated middle- and
upper-class people. Lyme disease can be as disabling as syphilis, but
there usually
is not a stigma to having Borrelia burgdorferi infection."
>
>-Alan Barbour, MD. Journal of the American Medical Association, January 21,
1998
>
>
>
>"Currently, there are many sources of information about Lyme disease, much
of which is in disagreement with the experts' advice. These sources
include
the Internet, books on Lyme disease written by laypersons, and
pamphlets, newsletters,
and call-in help lines of patient advocacy groups."
>
>-Alan Barbour, MD. Journal of the American Medical Association, January 21,
1998
>
>
>
>
>
>Dattwyler
>
>
>"Negative serologic tests mean negative, and positive tests have up to
a 50 to 1 chance of being false, and having a positive test does not
mean you're
not cured":
>-Raymond Dattwyler, MD, in 1993 WLIW TV interview
>
>
>
>Fish
>
>"Without the Lyme disease vaccine, we're back to ground zero in terms
of how
>we're going to combat the Lyme disease epidemic," says Fish, conference
>program co-chair,com panies "may not want to take on (development of) a
vaccine for a disease that is treatable and has a relatively low
incidence."
>
>Durland Fish, in USA Today quoted by Anita Manning, August 21, 2002
>
>
>
>Gluckman
>
>Dr. Stephen Gluckman, director of clinical services in the University of Pennsylvania
Hospital's infectious disease division, says the tests for Lyme are
"wonderfully
good." He believes the real problem is the doctors who are too willing
to diagnose
Lyme disease. "There are two types of Lyme doctors - and I'm not
saying
this in a negative way - there are doctors who are scientific, like
me, and there
are a lot of self-proclaimed Lyme doctors. We speak two different
languages, we
have nothing in common."
>
>Steven Gluckman, MD, Philadelphia City Paper quoted by Stephanie Ramp, July
8, 1999
>
>Nadelman
>
>"The erythema migrans rash, which occurs within a mean of 7 to 10 days
after a tick bite, is present in 90% or more of patients with
objective evidence
of Lyme disease":
>-Nadelman and Wormser, MDs, ibid., page 69
>
>
>" . . . transmission of B. burgdorferi by I. Scapularis (hard ticks) probably
takes days. In experimental animal systems (21) and humans (5), I.
Scapularis rarely
transmitted infection before 48 hours of attachment":
>-Robert B. Nadelman, MD, and Gary P. Wormser, MD, in ACP's Lyme Disease,
page 51
>
>
>
>"However, most patients with late-stage Lyme disease are believed to have
had antecedent erythema migrans (EM), a readily identified lesion, at
the site of
the bite (14,35-38). Among more than 1,000 participants followed in
prospective
studies at our center (unpublished data) and elsewhere (10-13), none
has been reported
to have developed late or latent infection (latent infection is
defined as asymptomatic
seroconversion, the clinical significance of which is unknown)":
>-Robert B. Nadelman, MD, and Gary P. Wormser, MD, ibid., page 53
>
>
>
>"In a person from an area not endemic for Lyme disease, Lyme disease is
an unlikely cause of an expanding erythematous rash":
>-Robert B. Nadelman, MD, in ACP's Lyme Disease, page 206
>
>
>
>"The timing and distribution of this patient's rash (occurring after
antibiotic therapy) suggest a photosensitive reaction to
antibiotics":
>-Robert B. Nadelman, MD, ibid., page 208
>
>
>
>Ostroff
>
>"Lyme is a yuppie disease that only rich suburbanites get":
>-Dr. Steven Ostroff, Associate Director in the Infectious Diseases Division
of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during interview by
Illinois legislators
in June 1997
>
>
>Rahn
>
>"In the pre-antibiotic era of Lyme disease, they all [acute neurologic
abnormalities of Lyme disease] were shown to remit spontaneously with
complete recovery
being the rule":
>-Daniel W. Rahn, MD, in the American College of Physicians' Lyme Disease,
page 39
>
>
>
>"[Lyme] disease onset is heralded by appearance of a characteristic skin
lesion, erythema migrans, at the site of a tick bite":
>-Daniel W. Rahn, MD, in ACP's Lyme Disease, page 45
>
>
>
>"Most patients with Lyme carditis experience complete recovery, even without
antibiotic therapy":
>-Janine Evans, MD, co-author with Daniel W. Rahn, MD, of ACP's Lyme Disease,
page 86
>
>
>
>"No long-term cardiac sequelae have been attributed to cardiac involvement
in Lyme disease":
>-Daniel W. Rahn, MD, ibid., page 40
>
>
>
>"Patients with Lyme carditis can present quite dramatically. They usually
require hospitalization and careful cardiac monitoring for potential
serious complications":
>-Janine Evans, MD, Assistant Professor of Medicine, Section of Rheumatology,
Yale School of Medicine, in ACP's Lyme Disease, page 221
>
>
>
>"When the pre-test probability [of Lyme disease] starts high, the post-test
remains high when the test result is positive--and again, the
treatment decision
remains unchanged. . . . If the pre-test probability is high, but the
test result
is negative, the post-test probability may be substantially lower. In
both cases,
the use of serologioc testing can shift the treatment decision. . . .
Patient expectations
may also influence a physician's decision to perform a diagnostic test
or to
institute empiric therapy. . . . On the practice-enabling side, a
final component
of the American College of Physicians Disease Management Program
includes patient
education tools":
>-Anthony D. So, MD, MPA (Senior Advisor to the Administrator, Agency for Health
Care, Policy, and Research. U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services, Washington,
D.C., and Daniel W. Rahn, MD, in ACP's Lyme Disease, page 193
>
>
>
>Schoen
>
>"When I contradict a previous diagnosis of Lyme disease by another doctor,
it is in order to reassure the patient":
>-Robert T. Schoen, MD, Yale School of Medicine, quoted in a Letter to The Editor,
New Haven Register, June 3, 1997
>
>
>"Your [Douglas Dodge's] history and exam do not suggest that you had
Lyme disease per se but your positive Lyme titers suggest that you
were exposed
to the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia burgdorferi. To be on the safe side we
generally
recommend a three-week course of Doxycycline as you are getting for
asymptomatic
patients with positive Lyme titers; although we don't know for sure
that even
this amount of therapy is necessary":
>-Anne R. Bass, MD, of Robert T. Schoen, MD's office, in letter dated August
2, 1991
>
>
>
>
>
>"The patient's [Christine Dodge's] history does not suggest Lyme
disease but suggests more a viral illness of undetermined type. . . .
I have sent
an ELISA and Western blot from my office particularly at the patient's
husband's
urging although I anticipate that these will be negative. Even if they
turn out
to be positive I do not think that the patient's recent illness was
due to Lyme
disease, and in any case she has received a two- week course of
Doxycycline":
>-Anne R. Bass, MD, in letter dated August 2, 1991
>
>
>"The result of Christine's Lyme titers from Yale came back. The ELISA
was positive with an IgM of 200 and an IgG of 100, positive being
greater than 100.
A Western blot was done and showed a band at 41KD for both IgM and
IgG. What all
this suggests is that Christine has been exposed to Lyme disease at
some time in
the past. But once again, the clinical history that she has and the
laboratory changes
that she had when she was in the hospital over the summer do not
suggest particularly
acute Lyme disease but looked rather more like a viral hepatitis, even
if we couldn't
identify which virus. In any case, Christine has gotten the two-week
course of Doxycycline
which should be adequate treatment given her positive test":
>-Anne R. Bass, MD, in letter dated August 31, 1991
>
>
>
>"In Lyme disease recipients, Western Blot analysis is indicated to distinguish
disease from seroconversion caused by vaccination":
>-Robert T. Schoen, MD, ACP's Lyme Disease, page 239
>
>
>
>Shapiro
>
>
>"Lyme disease prevention requires only minimal precautions; even for people
living in areas with the highest concentration of positively
identified cases":
>-Eugene D. Shapiro, MD, Yale Children's Health Letter, April 1995
>
>
>
>"Over time, the [Lyme] disease tends to burn itself out, even without treatment,
in many people":
>-Eugene Shapiro, MD, quoted by Karen Freeman in The New York Times, October
24, 1996
>
>
>
>"Children with only non-specific symptoms, such as headache, fatigue, or
arthralgia, are very unlikely to have Lyme disease. Serologic tests
for Lyme disease
should not be ordered for such patients because a positive test result
is very likely
to be a false-positive":
>-Eugene D. Shapiro, MD, in ACP's Lyme Disease, page 131
>
>
>
>"Nearly 90% of children who develop Lyme disease have either single or
multiple sites of erythema migrans":
>-Eugene D. Shapiro, MD, ibid., page 132
>
>
>
>"As many as 40% of the patients with well-documented late stage Lyme disease
will not have had a preceding lesion of erythema migrans . . . as the
only clinical
manifestation of early Lyme disease. . . . The existence of a flu-like
illness without
erythema migrans of early Lyme disease has been clearly established":
>-Eugene D. Shapiro, MD, et al., "Early Lyme Disease: A Flu- like Illness
Without Erythema Migrans," Pediatrics 91, (1993): 456-59
>
>
>
>"There is no evidence that congenital Lyme disease is a proble