Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

Concerns (and Lawsuits) Grow Over Reactions to Lyme Vaccine

Federal health authorities are currently investigating whether the
Lyme disease vaccine, Lymerix, caused severe cases of arthritis and
even Lyme disease itself in some people, according to a recent report
in the New York Times.


Until now, the government was actively investigating illnesses that
broke out after vaccination only if they were officially classified
as
serious defined as life-threatening, persistent and long-term or
requiring hospitalization. Lyme disease and arthritis were not
generally regarded as meeting those criteria.


Researchers from both the FDA and the disease-control centers will
now
investigate all cases of arthritis and all symptoms of Lyme disease
reported to have developed after a patient has been vaccinated, Dr.
Susan S. Ellenberg, director of biostatistics and epidemiology at the
FDA said.


The FDA had approved the vaccine made by SmithKline Beecham
Biologicals, about two years ago, and about 440,000 Americans have
received it so far. The company maintains that the shot is safe.


Dr. Ellenberg, said the FDA, working with the CDC, would investigate
the reports "to find out what the cases really are, to get more
information." Dr. Ellenberg and Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, assistant
surgeon general and director of the centers' national immunization
program, said it remained to be determined whether the vaccine was
the
cause of the reported illnesses.


When the FDA's vaccine advisory committee recommended that the
vaccine
be approved for marketing, several members expressed concern that the
vaccine could set off an autoimmune condition that, in turn, would
result in arthritis.


Some also said they feared it could cause flare-ups of Lyme disease
among people previously infected with the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia
bergdorferi.


Physician Opposition


The New York Times report claims that in interviews, "more than a
dozen doctors in areas where Lyme disease is common say they have
treated 170 people with arthritis and Lyme disease that they
attribute
to the vaccine."


Some doctors say the drug agency should never have approved the Lyme
vaccine or should have responded more quickly to adverse reports. Dr.
Andrea Gaito, a New Jersey rheumatologist and president of the
International Lyme and Associated Disorders Society, said she had
told
the agency that 21 patients developed severe arthritis soon after
being given the vaccine by other doctors, according to the Times
report.


Dr. Gaito, who does not give the vaccine, said she believed that the
vaccine caused arthritis and Lyme disease itself but that the
problems
were not always linked to it because the vaccine took effect only
after three shots given over the course of a year. "The FDA had just
better withdraw this vaccine now," Dr. Gaito said.


Dr. Charlene C. Demarco of Egg Harbor, N.J., an internist and family
doctor, said 50 of her patients had developed autoimmune arthritis
after receiving Lyme vaccine from other doctors and 30 others
appeared
to have flare-ups of previous Lyme infections. She maintains that the
FDA did not moved quickly enough after initial reports of adverse
effects.


Dr. Ellenberg from the FDA conceded that they had at times acted too
slowly. "We wish that some of these cases had been brought to our
attention sooner," she said. "They should have been given a higher
priority."


Despite the fact that the FDA's vaccine advisory committee eventually
recommended approval of Lymerix, the panel's chairwoman, Dr. Patricia
L. Ferrieri of the University of Minnesota Medical School, said it
had
taken the action with unusual "ambivalence" because of concerns about
the possibility of severe reactions.


Autoimmune Reaction


Dr. Allen C. Steere, who directed SmithKline Beecham's trials of the
vaccine, told the committee that it was hypothetically possible that
the vaccine could set off an autoimmune reaction in which the body's
immune system attacks its own tissue, and that this could cause
treatment-resistant arthritis.


In addition, Dr. Steere had expressed the concern as early as 1995,
shortly after the start of the clinical trials, when he said that
some
patients were already developing joint pain after getting the
vaccine.
"A small percentage of patients have developed joint pain and
arthritis following vaccination," Dr. Steere said in a letter to the
National Institutes of Health.


In July 1998, two months after Dr. Steere recommended the vaccine's
approval, he and colleagues reported in the journal Science that they
believed they had found the cause of the adverse effects. They
discovered that a piece of protein on the outer surface of the Lyme
bacteria was strikingly similar, to a natural human protein in blood
and other cells. This raised the theoretical possibility that when an
infected tick bites a human, the person's immune system T-cells, the
soldiers on the front line of the body's defense against disease,
could destroy not only the foreign invader but also some of the
body's
own protein.


Legal Action


About 60 patients who believe they were made ill by the Lyme vaccine
are suing SmithKline Beecham for monetary damages, said Stephen A.
Sheller, a lawyer with Sheller, Ludwig & Badey, of Philadelphia,
which
is handling the suits. And class-action suits have been filed by the
firm in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania seeking to require the
company to warn doctors and patients that it poses possible risks for
those who are genetically predisposed to autoimmune arthritis or who
have been previously infected with Lyme bacteria.


To see the complete text of the Lymerix complaint filed against
SmithKline Beecham go to http :// www .sheller,com /complaint.htm.


New York Times November 21, 2000

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 26, 11:55 am, lipanz <lipanzmari...@aol,com > wrote:
> Concerns (and Lawsuits) Grow Over Reactions to Lyme Vaccine
>
> Federal health authorities are currently investigating whether the
> Lyme disease vaccine, Lymerix, caused severe cases of arthritis and
> even Lyme disease itself in some people, according to a recent report
> in the New York Times.
>
> Until now, the government was actively investigating illnesses that
> broke out after vaccination only if they were officially classified
> as
> serious defined as life-threatening, persistent and long-term or
> requiring hospitalization. Lyme disease and arthritis were not
> generally regarded as meeting those criteria.
>
> Researchers from both the FDA and the disease-control centers will
> now
> investigate all cases of arthritis and all symptoms of Lyme disease
> reported to have developed after a patient has been vaccinated, Dr.
> Susan S. Ellenberg, director of biostatistics and epidemiology at the
> FDA said.
>
> The FDA had approved the vaccine made by SmithKline Beecham
> Biologicals, about two years ago, and about 440,000 Americans have
> received it so far. The company maintains that the shot is safe.
>
> Dr. Ellenberg, said the FDA, working with the CDC, would investigate
> the reports "to find out what the cases really are, to get more
> information." Dr. Ellenberg and Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, assistant
> surgeon general and director of the centers' national immunization
> program, said it remained to be determined whether the vaccine was
> the
> cause of the reported illnesses.
>
> When the FDA's vaccine advisory committee recommended that the
> vaccine
> be approved for marketing, several members expressed concern that the
> vaccine could set off an autoimmune condition that, in turn, would
> result in arthritis.
>
> Some also said they feared it could cause flare-ups of Lyme disease
> among people previously infected with the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia
> bergdorferi.
>
> Physician Opposition
>
> The New York Times report claims that in interviews, "more than a
> dozen doctors in areas where Lyme disease is common say they have
> treated 170 people with arthritis and Lyme disease that they
> attribute
> to the vaccine."
>
> Some doctors say the drug agency should never have approved the Lyme
> vaccine or should have responded more quickly to adverse reports. Dr.
> Andrea Gaito, a New Jersey rheumatologist and president of the
> International Lyme and Associated Disorders Society, said she had
> told
> the agency that 21 patients developed severe arthritis soon after
> being given the vaccine by other doctors, according to the Times
> report.
>
> Dr. Gaito, who does not give the vaccine, said she believed that the
> vaccine caused arthritis and Lyme disease itself but that the
> problems
> were not always linked to it because the vaccine took effect only
> after three shots given over the course of a year. "The FDA had just
> better withdraw this vaccine now," Dr. Gaito said.
>
> Dr. Charlene C. Demarco of Egg Harbor, N.J., an internist and family
> doctor, said 50 of her patients had developed autoimmune arthritis
> after receiving Lyme vaccine from other doctors and 30 others
> appeared
> to have flare-ups of previous Lyme infections. She maintains that the
> FDA did not moved quickly enough after initial reports of adverse
> effects.
>
> Dr. Ellenberg from the FDA conceded that they had at times acted too
> slowly. "We wish that some of these cases had been brought to our
> attention sooner," she said. "They should have been given a higher
> priority."
>
> Despite the fact that the FDA's vaccine advisory committee eventually
> recommended approval of Lymerix, the panel's chairwoman, Dr. Patricia
> L. Ferrieri of the University of Minnesota Medical School, said it
> had
> taken the action with unusual "ambivalence" because of concerns about
> the possibility of severe reactions.
>
> Autoimmune Reaction
>
> Dr. Allen C. Steere, who directed SmithKline Beecham's trials of the
> vaccine, told the committee that it was hypothetically possible that
> the vaccine could set off an autoimmune reaction in which the body's
> immune system attacks its own tissue, and that this could cause
> treatment-resistant arthritis.
>
> In addition, Dr. Steere had expressed the concern as early as 1995,
> shortly after the start of the clinical trials, when he said that
> some
> patients were already developing joint pain after getting the
> vaccine.
> "A small percentage of patients have developed joint pain and
> arthritis following vaccination," Dr. Steere said in a letter to the
> National Institutes of Health.
>
> In July 1998, two months after Dr. Steere recommended the vaccine's
> approval, he and colleagues reported in the journal Science that they
> believed they had found the cause of the adverse effects. They
> discovered that a piece of protein on the outer surface of the Lyme
> bacteria was strikingly similar, to a natural human protein in blood
> and other cells. This raised the theoretical possibility that when an
> infected tick bites a human, the person's immune system T-cells, the
> soldiers on the front line of the body's defense against disease,
> could destroy not only the foreign invader but also some of the
> body's
> own protein.
>
> Legal Action
>
> About 60 patients who believe they were made ill by the Lyme vaccine
> are suing SmithKline Beecham for monetary damages, said Stephen A.
> Sheller, a lawyer with Sheller, Ludwig & Badey, of Philadelphia,
> which
> is handling the suits. And class-action suits have been filed by the
> firm in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania seeking to require the
> company to warn doctors and patients that it poses possible risks for
> those who are genetically predisposed to autoimmune arthritis or who
> have been previously infected with Lyme bacteria.
>
> To see the complete text of the Lymerix complaint filed against
> SmithKline Beecham go to http :// www .sheller,com /complaint.htm.
>
> New York Times November 21, 2000

That's interesting, I'm more interested in that angle of the
controversy. First and foremost, I can't believe any Dr. would even
think that the vaccine could actually cause Lyme. The obvious reason
is that the vaccine is developed with a protein of the bacteria,
meaning a piece of it, so its impossible to get infected with Lyme
through this vaccine. This sort of arguments with no basis is what
makes many scientists, Dr, etc to roll their eyes and dismiss possible
relevant information.

Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
vaccine. Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
into understanding this phenomenon.

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 26, 4:15 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
> On May 26, 11:55 am, lipanz <lipanzmari...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Concerns (and Lawsuits) Grow Over Reactions to Lyme Vaccine
>
> > Federal health authorities are currently investigating whether the
> > Lyme disease vaccine, Lymerix, caused severe cases of arthritis and
> > even Lyme disease itself in some people, according to a recent report
> > in the New York Times.
>
> > Until now, the government was actively investigating illnesses that
> > broke out after vaccination only if they were officially classified
> > as
> > serious defined as life-threatening, persistent and long-term or
> > requiring hospitalization. Lyme disease and arthritis were not
> > generally regarded as meeting those criteria.
>
> > Researchers from both the FDA and the disease-control centers will
> > now
> > investigate all cases of arthritis and all symptoms of Lyme disease
> > reported to have developed after a patient has been vaccinated, Dr.
> > Susan S. Ellenberg, director of biostatistics and epidemiology at the
> > FDA said.
>
> > The FDA had approved the vaccine made by SmithKline Beecham
> > Biologicals, about two years ago, and about 440,000 Americans have
> > received it so far. The company maintains that the shot is safe.
>
> > Dr. Ellenberg, said the FDA, working with the CDC, would investigate
> > the reports "to find out what the cases really are, to get more
> > information." Dr. Ellenberg and Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, assistant
> > surgeon general and director of the centers' national immunization
> > program, said it remained to be determined whether the vaccine was
> > the
> > cause of the reported illnesses.
>
> > When the FDA's vaccine advisory committee recommended that the
> > vaccine
> > be approved for marketing, several members expressed concern that the
> > vaccine could set off an autoimmune condition that, in turn, would
> > result in arthritis.
>
> > Some also said they feared it could cause flare-ups of Lyme disease
> > among people previously infected with the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia
> > bergdorferi.
>
> > Physician Opposition
>
> > The New York Times report claims that in interviews, "more than a
> > dozen doctors in areas where Lyme disease is common say they have
> > treated 170 people with arthritis and Lyme disease that they
> > attribute
> > to the vaccine."
>
> > Some doctors say the drug agency should never have approved the Lyme
> > vaccine or should have responded more quickly to adverse reports. Dr.
> > Andrea Gaito, a New Jersey rheumatologist and president of the
> > International Lyme and Associated Disorders Society, said she had
> > told
> > the agency that 21 patients developed severe arthritis soon after
> > being given the vaccine by other doctors, according to the Times
> > report.
>
> > Dr. Gaito, who does not give the vaccine, said she believed that the
> > vaccine caused arthritis and Lyme disease itself but that the
> > problems
> > were not always linked to it because the vaccine took effect only
> > after three shots given over the course of a year. "The FDA had just
> > better withdraw this vaccine now," Dr. Gaito said.
>
> > Dr. Charlene C. Demarco of Egg Harbor, N.J., an internist and family
> > doctor, said 50 of her patients had developed autoimmune arthritis
> > after receiving Lyme vaccine from other doctors and 30 others
> > appeared
> > to have flare-ups of previous Lyme infections. She maintains that the
> > FDA did not moved quickly enough after initial reports of adverse
> > effects.
>
> > Dr. Ellenberg from the FDA conceded that they had at times acted too
> > slowly. "We wish that some of these cases had been brought to our
> > attention sooner," she said. "They should have been given a higher
> > priority."
>
> > Despite the fact that the FDA's vaccine advisory committee eventually
> > recommended approval of Lymerix, the panel's chairwoman, Dr. Patricia
> > L. Ferrieri of the University of Minnesota Medical School, said it
> > had
> > taken the action with unusual "ambivalence" because of concerns about
> > the possibility of severe reactions.
>
> > Autoimmune Reaction
>
> > Dr. Allen C. Steere, who directed SmithKline Beecham's trials of the
> > vaccine, told the committee that it was hypothetically possible that
> > the vaccine could set off an autoimmune reaction in which the body's
> > immune system attacks its own tissue, and that this could cause
> > treatment-resistant arthritis.
>
> > In addition, Dr. Steere had expressed the concern as early as 1995,
> > shortly after the start of the clinical trials, when he said that
> > some
> > patients were already developing joint pain after getting the
> > vaccine.
> > "A small percentage of patients have developed joint pain and
> > arthritis following vaccination," Dr. Steere said in a letter to the
> > National Institutes of Health.
>
> > In July 1998, two months after Dr. Steere recommended the vaccine's
> > approval, he and colleagues reported in the journal Science that they
> > believed they had found the cause of the adverse effects. They
> > discovered that a piece of protein on the outer surface of the Lyme
> > bacteria was strikingly similar, to a natural human protein in blood
> > and other cells. This raised the theoretical possibility that when an
> > infected tick bites a human, the person's immune system T-cells, the
> > soldiers on the front line of the body's defense against disease,
> > could destroy not only the foreign invader but also some of the
> > body's
> > own protein.
>
> > Legal Action
>
> > About 60 patients who believe they were made ill by the Lyme vaccine
> > are suing SmithKline Beecham for monetary damages, said Stephen A.
> > Sheller, a lawyer with Sheller, Ludwig & Badey, of Philadelphia,
> > which
> > is handling the suits. And class-action suits have been filed by the
> > firm in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania seeking to require the
> > company to warn doctors and patients that it poses possible risks for
> > those who are genetically predisposed to autoimmune arthritis or who
> > have been previously infected with Lyme bacteria.
>
> > To see the complete text of the Lymerix complaint filed against
> > SmithKline Beecham go to http :// www .sheller,com /complaint.htm.
>
> > New York Times November 21, 2000
>
> That's interesting, I'm more interested in that angle of the
> controversy. First and foremost, I can't believe any Dr. would even
> think that the vaccine could actually cause Lyme. The obvious reason
> is that the vaccine is developed with a protein of the bacteria,
> meaning a piece of it, so its impossible to get infected with Lyme
> through this vaccine. This sort of arguments with no basis is what
> makes many scientists, Dr, etc to roll their eyes and dismiss possible
> relevant information.
>
> Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> vaccine. Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
> that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> into understanding this phenomenon.

http :// www .actionlyme.org/SCHOEN INSTRUCTING DOCS TO BLOW OFF LYMERIX INJUREES.htm

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 26, 5:32=EF=BF=BDpm, Mort Zuckerman <morph...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On May 26, 4:15 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 26, 11:55 am, lipanz <lipanzmari...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > Concerns (and Lawsuits) Grow Over Reactions to Lyme Vaccine
>
> > > Federal health authorities are currently investigating whether the
> > > Lyme disease vaccine, Lymerix, caused severe cases of arthritis and
> > > even Lyme disease itself in some people, according to a recent report
> > > in the New York Times.
>
> > > Until now, the government was actively investigating illnesses that
> > > broke out after vaccination only if they were officially classified
> > > as
> > > serious defined as life-threatening, persistent and long-term or
> > > requiring hospitalization. Lyme disease and arthritis were not
> > > generally regarded as meeting those criteria.
>
> > > Researchers from both the FDA and the disease-control centers will
> > > now
> > > investigate all cases of arthritis and all symptoms of Lyme disease
> > > reported to have developed after a patient has been vaccinated, Dr.
> > > Susan S. Ellenberg, director of biostatistics and epidemiology at the
> > > FDA said.
>
> > > The FDA had approved the vaccine made by SmithKline Beecham
> > > Biologicals, about two years ago, and about 440,000 Americans have
> > > received it so far. The company maintains that the shot is safe.
>
> > > Dr. Ellenberg, said the FDA, working with the CDC, would investigate
> > > the reports "to find out what the cases really are, to get more
> > > information." Dr. Ellenberg and Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, assistant
> > > surgeon general and director of the centers' national immunization
> > > program, said it remained to be determined whether the vaccine was
> > > the
> > > cause of the reported illnesses.
>
> > > When the FDA's vaccine advisory committee recommended that the
> > > vaccine
> > > be approved for marketing, several members expressed concern that the
> > > vaccine could set off an autoimmune condition that, in turn, would
> > > result in arthritis.
>
> > > Some also said they feared it could cause flare-ups of Lyme disease
> > > among people previously infected with the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia
> > > bergdorferi.
>
> > > Physician Opposition
>
> > > The New York Times report claims that in interviews, "more than a
> > > dozen doctors in areas where Lyme disease is common say they have
> > > treated 170 people with arthritis and Lyme disease that they
> > > attribute
> > > to the vaccine."
>
> > > Some doctors say the drug agency should never have approved the Lyme
> > > vaccine or should have responded more quickly to adverse reports. Dr.
> > > Andrea Gaito, a New Jersey rheumatologist and president of the
> > > International Lyme and Associated Disorders Society, said she had
> > > told
> > > the agency that 21 patients developed severe arthritis soon after
> > > being given the vaccine by other doctors, according to the Times
> > > report.
>
> > > Dr. Gaito, who does not give the vaccine, said she believed that the
> > > vaccine caused arthritis and Lyme disease itself but that the
> > > problems
> > > were not always linked to it because the vaccine took effect only
> > > after three shots given over the course of a year. "The FDA had just
> > > better withdraw this vaccine now," Dr. Gaito said.
>
> > > Dr. Charlene C. Demarco of Egg Harbor, N.J., an internist and family
> > > doctor, said 50 of her patients had developed autoimmune arthritis
> > > after receiving Lyme vaccine from other doctors and 30 others
> > > appeared
> > > to have flare-ups of previous Lyme infections. She maintains that the
> > > FDA did not moved quickly enough after initial reports of adverse
> > > effects.
>
> > > Dr. Ellenberg from the FDA conceded that they had at times acted too
> > > slowly. "We wish that some of these cases had been brought to our
> > > attention sooner," she said. "They should have been given a higher
> > > priority."
>
> > > Despite the fact that the FDA's vaccine advisory committee eventually
> > > recommended approval of Lymerix, the panel's chairwoman, Dr. Patricia
> > > L. Ferrieri of the University of Minnesota Medical School, said it
> > > had
> > > taken the action with unusual "ambivalence" because of concerns about
> > > the possibility of severe reactions.
>
> > > Autoimmune Reaction
>
> > > Dr. Allen C. Steere, who directed SmithKline Beecham's trials of the
> > > vaccine, told the committee that it was hypothetically possible that
> > > the vaccine could set off an autoimmune reaction in which the body's
> > > immune system attacks its own tissue, and that this could cause
> > > treatment-resistant arthritis.
>
> > > In addition, Dr. Steere had expressed the concern as early as 1995,
> > > shortly after the start of the clinical trials, when he said that
> > > some
> > > patients were already developing joint pain after getting the
> > > vaccine.
> > > "A small percentage of patients have developed joint pain and
> > > arthritis following vaccination," Dr. Steere said in a letter to the
> > > National Institutes of Health.
>
> > > In July 1998, two months after Dr. Steere recommended the vaccine's
> > > approval, he and colleagues reported in the journal Science that they
> > > believed they had found the cause of the adverse effects. They
> > > discovered that a piece of protein on the outer surface of the Lyme
> > > bacteria was strikingly similar, to a natural human protein in blood
> > > and other cells. This raised the theoretical possibility that when an
> > > infected tick bites a human, the person's immune system T-cells, the
> > > soldiers on the front line of the body's defense against disease,
> > > could destroy not only the foreign invader but also some of the
> > > body's
> > > own protein.
>
> > > Legal Action
>
> > > About 60 patients who believe they were made ill by the Lyme vaccine
> > > are suing SmithKline Beecham for monetary damages, said Stephen A.
> > > Sheller, a lawyer with Sheller, Ludwig & Badey, of Philadelphia,
> > > which
> > > is handling the suits. And class-action suits have been filed by the
> > > firm in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania seeking to require the
> > > company to warn doctors and patients that it poses possible risks for
> > > those who are genetically predisposed to autoimmune arthritis or who
> > > have been previously infected with Lyme bacteria.
>
> > > To see the complete text of the Lymerix complaint filed against
> > > SmithKline Beecham go to http :// www .sheller,com /complaint.htm.
>
> > > New York Times November 21, 2000
>
> > That's interesting, I'm more interested in that angle of the
> > controversy. First and foremost, I can't believe any Dr. would even
> > think that the vaccine could actually cause Lyme. The obvious reason
> > is that the vaccine is developed with a protein of the bacteria,
> > meaning a piece of it, so its impossible to get infected with Lyme
> > through this vaccine. This sort of arguments with no basis is what
> > makes many scientists, Dr, etc to roll their eyes and dismiss possible
> > relevant information.
>
> > Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> > suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> > vaccine. Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
> > that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> > been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> > little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> > into understanding this phenomenon.
>
> http :// www .actionlyme.org/SCHOEN_INSTRUCTING_DOCS_TO_BLOW_OFF_LYMERIX...- =
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Brian Fallon studied for nearly 10 years with a 5 million dollar NIH
grant... (This will eventually be charged as a mass murder crime.)


Good post K. Oh now I see where Fallon got his grant money from the
crooked FDA....Wonder how he swung that. Like I said before I always
suspected in the beginning of when this study started he was going to
be a turncoat. .Now I understand the outcome of his study......Your
absolutely right.

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 26, 4:15=EF=BF=BDpm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
> On May 26, 11:55 am, lipanz <lipanzmari...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Concerns (and Lawsuits) Grow Over Reactions to Lyme Vaccine
>
> > Federal health authorities are currently investigating whether the
> > Lyme disease vaccine, Lymerix, caused severe cases of arthritis and
> > even Lyme disease itself in some people, according to a recent report
> > in the New York Times.
>
> > Until now, the government was actively investigating illnesses that
> > broke out after vaccination only if they were officially classified
> > as
> > serious defined as life-threatening, persistent and long-term or
> > requiring hospitalization. Lyme disease and arthritis were not
> > generally regarded as meeting those criteria.
>
> > Researchers from both the FDA and the disease-control centers will
> > now
> > investigate all cases of arthritis and all symptoms of Lyme disease
> > reported to have developed after a patient has been vaccinated, Dr.
> > Susan S. Ellenberg, director of biostatistics and epidemiology at the
> > FDA said.
>
> > The FDA had approved the vaccine made by SmithKline Beecham
> > Biologicals, about two years ago, and about 440,000 Americans have
> > received it so far. The company maintains that the shot is safe.
>
> > Dr. Ellenberg, said the FDA, working with the CDC, would investigate
> > the reports "to find out what the cases really are, to get more
> > information." Dr. Ellenberg and Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, assistant
> > surgeon general and director of the centers' national immunization
> > program, said it remained to be determined whether the vaccine was
> > the
> > cause of the reported illnesses.
>
> > When the FDA's vaccine advisory committee recommended that the
> > vaccine
> > be approved for marketing, several members expressed concern that the
> > vaccine could set off an autoimmune condition that, in turn, would
> > result in arthritis.
>
> > Some also said they feared it could cause flare-ups of Lyme disease
> > among people previously infected with the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia
> > bergdorferi.
>
> > Physician Opposition
>
> > The New York Times report claims that in interviews, "more than a
> > dozen doctors in areas where Lyme disease is common say they have
> > treated 170 people with arthritis and Lyme disease that they
> > attribute
> > to the vaccine."
>
> > Some doctors say the drug agency should never have approved the Lyme
> > vaccine or should have responded more quickly to adverse reports. Dr.
> > Andrea Gaito, a New Jersey rheumatologist and president of the
> > International Lyme and Associated Disorders Society, said she had
> > told
> > the agency that 21 patients developed severe arthritis soon after
> > being given the vaccine by other doctors, according to the Times
> > report.
>
> > Dr. Gaito, who does not give the vaccine, said she believed that the
> > vaccine caused arthritis and Lyme disease itself but that the
> > problems
> > were not always linked to it because the vaccine took effect only
> > after three shots given over the course of a year. "The FDA had just
> > better withdraw this vaccine now," Dr. Gaito said.
>
> > Dr. Charlene C. Demarco of Egg Harbor, N.J., an internist and family
> > doctor, said 50 of her patients had developed autoimmune arthritis
> > after receiving Lyme vaccine from other doctors and 30 others
> > appeared
> > to have flare-ups of previous Lyme infections. She maintains that the
> > FDA did not moved quickly enough after initial reports of adverse
> > effects.
>
> > Dr. Ellenberg from the FDA conceded that they had at times acted too
> > slowly. "We wish that some of these cases had been brought to our
> > attention sooner," she said. "They should have been given a higher
> > priority."
>
> > Despite the fact that the FDA's vaccine advisory committee eventually
> > recommended approval of Lymerix, the panel's chairwoman, Dr. Patricia
> > L. Ferrieri of the University of Minnesota Medical School, said it
> > had
> > taken the action with unusual "ambivalence" because of concerns about
> > the possibility of severe reactions.
>
> > Autoimmune Reaction
>
> > Dr. Allen C. Steere, who directed SmithKline Beecham's trials of the
> > vaccine, told the committee that it was hypothetically possible that
> > the vaccine could set off an autoimmune reaction in which the body's
> > immune system attacks its own tissue, and that this could cause
> > treatment-resistant arthritis.
>
> > In addition, Dr. Steere had expressed the concern as early as 1995,
> > shortly after the start of the clinical trials, when he said that
> > some
> > patients were already developing joint pain after getting the
> > vaccine.
> > "A small percentage of patients have developed joint pain and
> > arthritis following vaccination," Dr. Steere said in a letter to the
> > National Institutes of Health.
>
> > In July 1998, two months after Dr. Steere recommended the vaccine's
> > approval, he and colleagues reported in the journal Science that they
> > believed they had found the cause of the adverse effects. They
> > discovered that a piece of protein on the outer surface of the Lyme
> > bacteria was strikingly similar, to a natural human protein in blood
> > and other cells. This raised the theoretical possibility that when an
> > infected tick bites a human, the person's immune system T-cells, the
> > soldiers on the front line of the body's defense against disease,
> > could destroy not only the foreign invader but also some of the
> > body's
> > own protein.
>
> > Legal Action
>
> > About 60 patients who believe they were made ill by the Lyme vaccine
> > are suing SmithKline Beecham for monetary damages, said Stephen A.
> > Sheller, a lawyer with Sheller, Ludwig & Badey, of Philadelphia,
> > which
> > is handling the suits. And class-action suits have been filed by the
> > firm in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania seeking to require the
> > company to warn doctors and patients that it poses possible risks for
> > those who are genetically predisposed to autoimmune arthritis or who
> > have been previously infected with Lyme bacteria.
>
> > To see the complete text of the Lymerix complaint filed against
> > SmithKline Beecham go to http :// www .sheller,com /complaint.htm.
>
> > New York Times November 21, 2000
>
> That's interesting, I'm more interested in that angle of the
> controversy. First and foremost, I can't believe any Dr. would even
> think that the vaccine could actually cause Lyme. The obvious reason
> is that the vaccine is developed with a protein of the bacteria,
> meaning a piece of it, so its impossible to get infected with Lyme
> through this vaccine. This sort of arguments with no basis is what
> makes many scientists, Dr, etc to roll their eyes and dismiss possible
> relevant information.
>
> Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> vaccine. Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
> that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> into understanding this phenomenon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

Previous to this my orig. post got accidentally posted.

On May 26, 4:15=EF=BF=BDpm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:

>> That's interesting, I'm more interested in that angle of the
> controversy. First and foremost, I can't believe any Dr. would even
> think that the vaccine could actually cause Lyme. The obvious reason
If you REALLY believe that then this would seem that Steere and Sigal
are guilty of severe medical negligence.
> is that the vaccine is developed with a protein of the bacteria,
> meaning a piece of it, (A piece what ) so its impossible to get infect=
ed with Lyme > through this vaccine.
Really if this so called piece of piece of protein of bacteria is so
harmless then why did Steere in 94 at the Dearborn Conf. of the CDC
eliminate these 2 very specific bands from the Western Blot which
there is again severe negligence. then innocent parties getting a lyme
test and show 31 and 34 etc. and they won't count. Now that is really
sick. Oh sure and he gets away with it.........
Common now you don't really think that. They were so greedy to get
this on the market for the buck.

You sound just like another poster on this
site.............................
Oh really --2 very specific antigens were used in ref to the vaccine
31 & 34. They are extremely specific (the outer surface protein of
the bacteria) --I think you do know that.

This sort of arguments with no basis is what
> makes many scientists, Dr, etc to roll their eyes and dismiss possible
> relevant information.

If they are such so called brilliant scientists - then Steere & Sigal
who composed the vaccine are and must be real idiots.
>
> Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> vaccine. Really at a conference in Calif. he admitted he knew about the D=
L4 gene - previously before it was put out & saying he was concerned about i=
t. Yet people fall for his BS.
So why didn't the great scientist request that a person should before
getting it have the test for that gene........
Like I said before there is a simple blood test that people should
have given before taking the vaccine to see if they have that gene
first.

Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
> that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> into understanding this phenomenon.- More research - it is in black and =
white. More research - Besides why do we need a vaccine now as Steere and=
company are preaching It's hard to catch & easy to treat." 2 pills of dox=
ycline and your cured in early state. Give me a break.
Also some people vaccinated got Lyme d. after taking the vaccine and
it wasn't from an autoimmune response with everyone.....
Like crippling neuropathy and more.

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?


So why didn't the great scientist request that a person should before
getting it have the test for that gene........
Like I said before there is a simple blood test that people should
have given before taking the vaccine to see if they have that gene
first.

======Because the same cross-applies to all vaccines, especially childhood
immunizations.
But that same secret disease-susceptibilities HLA-esque data has
bioweapons value.

Why do you think Mark Klempner is keeping this a big secret, now, too?
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=yPn T9qy4C0&mode=related&search
It's the same HLA associated with worse outcomes to tuberculosis, etc.
If you wanted to wipe out WHITIES from NORTHERN EUROPE, deploy Lyme
Disease.

Whoops.
Wrong target group, eh?

LOL.

Well, what are the Ashkenazis?
Look it up.


Kathleen

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 26, 3:33 pm, lipanz <lipanzmari...@aol,com > wrote:
> Previous to this my orig. post got accidentally posted.
>
> On May 26, 4:15=EF=BF=BDpm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
>
> >> That's interesting, I'm more interested in that angle of the
> > controversy. First and foremost, I can't believe any Dr. would even
> > think that the vaccine could actually cause Lyme. The obvious reason
>
> If you REALLY believe that then this would seem that Steere and Sigal
> are guilty of severe medical negligence.>

I don't understand this comment.

is that the vaccine is developed with a protein of the bacteria,
> > meaning a piece of it, (A piece what ) so its impossible to get infe=
cted with Lyme > through this vaccine.

A piece of the bacteria, so it can cause infection with the bacteria
(basic biology/logic)
>
> Really if this so called piece of piece of protein of bacteria is so
> harmless then why did Steere in 94 at the Dearborn Conf. of the CDC
> eliminate these 2 very specific bands from the Western Blot which
> there is again severe negligence. then innocent parties getting a lyme
> test and show 31 and 34 etc. and they won't count. Now that is really
> sick. Oh sure and he gets away with it.........
> Common now you don't really think that. They were so greedy to get
> this on the market for the buck.
>
I don;t see how the two are relevant, and/or when I proposed that the
protein couldn't be potentially dangerous

> You sound just like another poster on this
> site.............................
> Oh really --2 very specific antigens were used in ref to the vaccine
> 31 & 34. They are extremely specific (the outer surface protein of
> the bacteria) --I think you do know that.

What I actually know is that band 31 is not specific to lyme, it cross-
reacts in many other autoimmune conditions, hence the relationship
with the possibility of lyme triggering immune dysfunction.
>
> This sort of arguments with no basis is what
>
> > makes many scientists, Dr, etc to roll their eyes and dismiss possible
> > relevant information.
>
> If they are such so called brilliant scientists - then Steere & Sigal
> who composed the vaccine are and must be real idiots.
>
> > Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> > suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> > vaccine. Really at a conference in Calif. he admitted he knew about the=
DL4 gene - previously before it was put out & saying he was concerned about=
it. Yet people fall for his BS.
>
> So why didn't the great scientist request that a person should before
> getting it have the test for that gene........
> Like I said before there is a simple blood test that people should
> have given before taking the vaccine to see if they have that gene
> first.
>
Because they didn't know that at the time. It's not even proven but a
hypothesis.

> Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis> that people =
will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> > been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> > little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> > into understanding this phenomenon.- More research - it is in black an=
d white. More research - Besides why do we need a vaccine now as Steere a=
nd company are preaching It's hard to catch & easy to treat." 2 pills of d=
oxycline and your cured in early state. Give me a break.

> Also some people vaccinated got Lyme d. after taking the vaccine and
> it wasn't from an autoimmune response with everyone.....
> Like crippling neuropathy and more.

Again you can't get an infection of a pathogen through a vaccine that
uses a "piece of it" (protein).

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 26, 3:15 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
>
> Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> vaccine.

Then why would he state that the vaccine was pulled because of
activist-generated fears that resulted in spurious litigation threats?

In other words, if the vaccine caused a "Lyme-like syndrome" in some
patients, I would have to think that would be a legitimate reason to
file personal injury claims.

Seems like he is denying this...both publically and personally,
intellectually.

Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
> that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> into understanding this phenomenon.-

Yes, I follow this...what you say here...but I'm unsure that Steere
(or Kathleen) does.

(All you have to do to get K, to go bouncing off the walls, BTW...is
mention "Steere" and "vaccine" in the same sentence..,it 's like
throwing a couple of pounds of hamburger in the hyena cage at the Zoo).

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 27, 12:00 pm, the 3rd Man <derdrittemann2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On May 26, 3:15 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> > suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> > vaccine.
>
> Then why would he state that the vaccine was pulled because of
> activist-generated fears that resulted in spurious litigation threats?
>
Maybe because (and this is pure speculation) he was part of that
disaster (inadvertently) and his acceptance of this will give grounds
to many people that received the vaccine (and didn't develop any
symptoms) to file personal injury for non-specific symptoms. This as
well will give more ammo to people with non specific symptoms to
assert that it was due to undiagnosed lyme disease, i.e. people with
rheumatoid arthritis will claim that in one of their trips they
"probably" got infected with Lyme (even if this trip was to Ecuador).

>
> In other words, if the vaccine caused a "Lyme-like syndrome" in some
> patients, I would have to think that would be a legitimate reason to
> file personal injury claims.
>
I though that was the case. Meaning that people did file for personal
injury claims, I'm not sure, but I thought that the company had
actually settled with some of those people.

> Seems like he is denying this...both publically and personally,
> intellectually.
>
> Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
>
> > that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> > been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> > little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> > into understanding this phenomenon.-
>
> Yes, I follow this...what you say here...but I'm unsure that Steere
> (or Kathleen) does.

Well actually I think they both do, they just don't want to accept it
publically. An alternative solution would be to have a vaccine that
uses a different protein of the bacteria. Then everybody will be happy
(except for the ones already sick) and we could just put this on the
past (sort of mentality in Steere case). Kathleen is more about
vengeance due to information that hasn't been presented in all honesty
by the "establishment" (IDSA), so it doesn't matter if it chronic
infection or autoimmune condition but more a matter of undiagnosed
lyme (and the abuses she had to go through).

>
> (All you have to do to get K, to go bouncing off the walls, BTW...is
> mention "Steere" and "vaccine" in the same sentence..,it 's like
> throwing a couple of pounds of hamburger in the hyena cage at the Zoo).

Yes :)

what is your though about that 3rd? was the vaccine really withdrawn
because of poor sales?

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 27, 1:19 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
> On May 27, 12:00 pm, the 3rd Man <derdrittemann2...@yahoo,com > wrote:> On May 26, 3:15 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
>
> > > Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
> > > suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
> > > vaccine.
>
> > Then why would he state that the vaccine was pulled because of
> > activist-generated fears that resulted in spurious litigation threats?
>
> Maybe because (and this is pure speculation) he was part of that
> disaster (inadvertently) and his acceptance of this will give grounds
> to many people that received the vaccine (and didn't develop any
> symptoms) to file personal injury for non-specific symptoms. This as
> well will give more ammo to people with non specific symptoms to
> assert that it was due to undiagnosed lyme disease, i.e. people with
> rheumatoid arthritis will claim that in one of their trips they
> "probably" got infected with Lyme (even if this trip was to Ecuador).
>
>
>
> > In other words, if the vaccine caused a "Lyme-like syndrome" in some
> > patients, I would have to think that would be a legitimate reason to
> > file personal injury claims.
>
> I though that was the case. Meaning that people did file for personal
> injury claims, I'm not sure, but I thought that the company had
> actually settled with some of those people.
>
> > Seems like he is denying this...both publically and personally,
> > intellectually.
>
> > Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
>
> > > that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> > > been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> > > little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> > > into understanding this phenomenon.-
>
> > Yes, I follow this...what you say here...but I'm unsure that Steere
> > (or Kathleen) does.
>
> Well actually I think they both do, they just don't want to accept it
> publically. An alternative solution would be to have a vaccine that
> uses a different protein of the bacteria. Then everybody will be happy
> (except for the ones already sick) and we could just put this on the
> past (sort of mentality in Steere case). Kathleen is more about
> vengeance due to information that hasn't been presented in all honesty
> by the "establishment" (IDSA), so it doesn't matter if it chronic
> infection or autoimmune condition but more a matter of undiagnosed
> lyme (and the abuses she had to go through).
>
>
>
> > (All you have to do to get K, to go bouncing off the walls, BTW...is
> > mention "Steere" and "vaccine" in the same sentence..,it 's like
> > throwing a couple of pounds of hamburger in the hyena cage at the Zoo).
>
> Yes :)
>
> what is your though about that 3rd? was the vaccine really withdrawn
> because of poor sales?

Steere talks about a possible autoimmune response, and I'm sure he
suspects a lot of people did develop Lyme like syndrome due to the
vaccine.

I should correct myself here because I honestly believe he thinks
is: ...suspect some of the people did develop... rather suspect a lot
of people. ( I think I let myself go there, Kathleen style).

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

"In June 2001, the General Accounting Office delivered a report on the
issue to Senator Chris Dodd, (D-Conn), that noted that CDC employees
"are listed on two Lyme-disease related patents" including "a 1993
joint patent between CDC and SmithKline Beecham Corporation." The
report also said that six of 12 consultants working for the CDC on
Lyme vaccines "reported at least one interest related to a vaccine
firm."

According to CDC meeting transcripts where the committee weighed its
recommendation, 3 had conflicts of interest with SmithKlineBeecham.
The LYMERIX lyme-disease vaccine was approved by the CDC on February
18, 1999, and by October of 2000, more than 1.4 million people had
received the vaccine.

But 18 months later, according to UPI, in February 2002, SmithKline
Beecham pulled the vaccine off the market claiming that sales of
LYMERIX were insufficient to justify the continued investment.
However, according to UPI, the company also faced hundreds of lawsuits
by people who said they suffered side effects from the vaccines.

The government's database at the time, listed possible side effects
from LYMERIX as 640 emergency room visits, 34 life-threatening
reactions, 77 hospitalizations, 198 disabilities and six deaths after
people took the shots since the CDC endorsed it, according to UPI."

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?


Here is a good article from "8 years ago" from LymeNUT website:

http :// www 2.lymenet.org/domino/news.nsf/UID/Ledger21-May-2000

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 27, 3:19 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:

> On May 27, 12:00 pm, the 3rd Man <derdrittemann2...@yahoo,com > wrote:> On May 26, 3:15 pm, chronichel...@yahoo,com wrote:
>
> > Then why would he state that the vaccine was pulled because of
> > activist-generated fears that resulted in spurious litigation threats?
>
> Maybe because (and this is pure speculation) he was part of that
> disaster (inadvertently) and his acceptance of this will give grounds
> to many people that received the vaccine (and didn't develop any
> symptoms) to file personal injury for non-specific symptoms.

I think that the class action settlement closed the window on that
possibility...that others could file.

This as
> well will give more ammo to people with non specific symptoms to
> assert that it was due to undiagnosed lyme disease, i.e. people with
> rheumatoid arthritis will claim that in one of their trips they
> "probably" got infected with Lyme (even if this trip was to Ecuador).

Okay, well...but WHY mention it all? In other words, he chose to bring
it up, himself...(and in a really strange way...sour-grapes over the
vaccine in a commencement address)? Wouldn't it have been smarter just
to keep quiet on the subject and talk in general terms about the quest
for sceintific truth verus mass hysteria...without going into the
mindnumbing details of the vacccine demise? (the assembled grads, no
doubt worried about where they were going to party that night, must
have been captivated).
>
>
>
> > In other words, if the vaccine caused a "Lyme-like syndrome" in some
> > patients, I would have to think that would be a legitimate reason to
> > file personal injury claims.
>
> I though that was the case. Meaning that people did file for personal
> injury claims, I'm not sure, but I thought that the company had
> actually settled with some of those people.

Yes. And my understanding is that settlement forecloses the
possibility of any further claims against the vaccine manufacturers.
>
> > Seems like he is denying this...both publically and personally,
> > intellectually.
>
> >  Ironically, that will go in turn to validate the hypothesis
>
> > > that people will develop severe illness even after the infection has
> > > been cleared up, and hence long term use of antibiotics has very
> > > little therapeutic. Hopefully this will result in more research put
> > > into understanding this phenomenon.-
>
> > Yes, I follow this...what you say here...but I'm unsure that Steere
> > (or Kathleen) does.
>
> Well actually I think they both do, they just don't want to accept it
> publically. An alternative solution would be to have a vaccine that
> uses a different protein of the bacteria. Then everybody will be happy
> (except for the ones already sick) and we could just put this on the
> past (sort of mentality in Steere case). Kathleen is more about
> vengeance due to information that hasn't been presented in all honesty
> by the "establishment"  (IDSA), so it doesn't matter if it chronic
> infection or autoimmune condition but more a matter of undiagnosed
> lyme (and the abuses she had to go through).
>
>
>
> > (All you have to do to get K, to go bouncing off the walls, BTW...is
> > mention "Steere" and "vaccine" in the same sentence..,it 's like
> > throwing a couple of pounds of hamburger in the hyena cage at the Zoo).
>
> Yes :)
>
> what is your though about that 3rd? was the vaccine really withdrawn
> because of poor sales?

No. Not buying that one at all.

I am just guessing also...but my experience tends to indicate to me,
that it was pulled, because of fear of liability exposure...and NOT
just the threat of a large amount of litigation. My recollection was
there was talk at the time that the thing was pulled as a part of the
class action settlement...(publicly spoken or unspoken, don't really
recall)...(S. Sheller, Philadelphia, if I remember right...the lawyer
involved). I was around Lyme at the time of the settlement...but not
the vaccine controversy, itself, really.

But what has also struck me as somewhat strange about that whole
episode, is the lack of a rationale for a vaccine, in general...how
the underplaying of the signifigance of the disease worked against it
being commercially viable, in the first place.

Simply...if I am concerned about the possibility of contracting Lyme
disease...well, hell..,fr om what I can gather, it is easily cured with
a short course of antibiotics...and you get a nice big, rash that
says, "hey, you've got it"...(at least that was pretty much what they
were saying at that time).

So why run the risk of multiple injections of god only knows what?

You know, the proscratinator's logic...deal with that rash when I
actually get one...they consistently downplayed the threat of the
disease, to the point where there may not have been a good market for
it.

Dunno.

Re: Vaccine taken off the mkt. because of poor sales-HUH?

On May 27, 5:11 pm, the 3rd Man <derdrittemann2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> Dunno.-


Looking back at this thread...you can see the press relaease
announcing the settlement of the class action.

(You can also see a self-appointed "Lyme activist" labeling (libeling)
me as "murdering scum", apparently for expressing an opinion on a
discussion board. Some things never change. What fun. I also make
reference to Sheller saying that the vaccine was withdrawn as a part
of the settlement terms. I don't really remember why I said that). I
think that may be what he said outside of the agreement...similar to
Blumenthal's comments, recently.


http :// groups.google,com /group/sci.med.diseases.lyme/browse thread/thread/1a2a0e58355c2687/9ef2a5a3c86eebf7?lnk=gst&q=sheller+settlement#9ef2a5a3c86eebf7