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glucose and benign brain tumors
] # * breast-cancer-research . com /content/10/1/202/?mkt=154301
] Tumor cells exhibit an altered metabolism, characterized by
increased glucose uptake and elevated glycolysis
I have a friend, whose child has pilocytic astrocytoma, receiving
chemotherapy (Carboplatin/Vincristine), also receiving some infusions
of 20% glucose.
Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be
suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
] # * w w w .eurekalert.org/pub releases/2007-02/bc-bbi021907.php
] Ketocal - High-fat, low-carbohydrate diet significantly slows tumor
growth and enhances health in mice
] # * escholarship.bc.edu/dissertations/AAI1436013/
No need to reply on this part. I'm just expressing some surprise that
there are so few pages about this "significantly slows tumor growth"
Ketocal, when it supposed to be safe as "already used by people with
epilepsy", news over a year old - just 7,250 in results google vs 4.2
M brain tumor, 8.8M epilepsy.
Thank You
] # * breast-cancer-research . com /content/10/1/202/?mkt=154301
] Tumor cells exhibit an altered metabolism, characterized by
increased glucose uptake and elevated glycolysis
I have a friend, whose child has pilocytic astrocytoma, receiving
chemotherapy (Carboplatin/Vincristine), also receiving some infusions
of 20% glucose.
Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be
suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
] # * w w w .eurekalert.org/pub releases/2007-02/bc-bbi021907.php
] Ketocal - High-fat, low-carbohydrate diet significantly slows tumor
growth and enhances health in mice
] # * escholarship.bc.edu/dissertations/AAI1436013/
No need to reply on this part. I'm just expressing some surprise that
there are so few pages about this "significantly slows tumor growth"
Ketocal, when it supposed to be safe as "already used by people with
epilepsy", news over a year old - just 7,250 in results google vs 4.2
M brain tumor, 8.8M epilepsy.
Thank You
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32dfe@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups . com >, 82817.4@gmail . com wrote:
> Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be
> suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.
It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous)
are in *really* bad shape.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32dfe@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups . com >, 82817.4@gmail . com wrote:
> Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be
> suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.
It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous)
are in *really* bad shape.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > wrote:
> In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups . com >, 8281...@gmail . com wrote:
>
> > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be
> > suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
>
> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
> insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
> blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.
>
> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>
> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
> Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
> health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
> point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
> the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous)
> are in *really* bad shape.
>
> --
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
a very uneffective treatment as you can see!
-----------------------------------------
* mesothelioma.mypressonline . com /index.html - Information and
advice on Mesothelioma cancer
On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > wrote:
> In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups . com >, 8281...@gmail . com wrote:
>
> > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be
> > suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
>
> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
> insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
> blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.
>
> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>
> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
> Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
> health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
> point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
> the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous)
> are in *really* bad shape.
>
> --
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
a very uneffective treatment as you can see!
-----------------------------------------
* mesothelioma.mypressonline . com /index.html - Information and
advice on Mesothelioma cancer
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
Homenet <Edward.Stanyer@googlemail . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result:
news:d69965e4-e07e-4e2c-b34d-9712b7765a2e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups . com :
> On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > wrote:
>> In message
>> <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups . com >,
>> 8281...@gmail . com wrote:
>>
>> > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it
>> > be suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
>>
>> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
>> insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
>> blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.
>>
>> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>>
>> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
>> Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
>> health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
>> point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
>> the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous)
>> are in *really* bad shape.
>>
>> --
>> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
>> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
>> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
>
> a very uneffective treatment as you can see!
>
Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience
with this :)
"Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't just the sugars
that is turned into blood glucose (which is, indeed, the basic fuel for
everything in the body), but all carbohydrates.
While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would
say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once you've got
it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
* w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also
to heal from the side effects of treatment.
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Homenet <Edward.Stanyer@googlemail . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result:
news:d69965e4-e07e-4e2c-b34d-9712b7765a2e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups . com :
> On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > wrote:
>> In message
>> <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups . com >,
>> 8281...@gmail . com wrote:
>>
>> > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it
>> > be suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ?
>>
>> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
>> insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
>> blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.
>>
>> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>>
>> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
>> Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
>> health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
>> point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
>> the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous)
>> are in *really* bad shape.
>>
>> --
>> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
>> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
>> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
>
> a very uneffective treatment as you can see!
>
Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience
with this :)
"Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't just the sugars
that is turned into blood glucose (which is, indeed, the basic fuel for
everything in the body), but all carbohydrates.
While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would
say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once you've got
it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
* w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also
to heal from the side effects of treatment.
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience
> with this :)
Well, that disqualifies you right there.
Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would
> say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once you've got
> it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>
> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also
> to heal from the side effects of treatment.
There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience
> with this :)
Well, that disqualifies you right there.
Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would
> say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once you've got
> it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>
> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also
> to heal from the side effects of treatment.
There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result: news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
> In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc
> Bissonnette wrote:
>
>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
>> experience with this :)
>
> Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
> now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
> sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
> are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
> having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I always
have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've
*got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the
reminder.
>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
>> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I
>> would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
>> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
>> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
>> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but
>> also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>
> There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
Usenet is funny like that :)
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result: news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
> In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc
> Bissonnette wrote:
>
>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
>> experience with this :)
>
> Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
> now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
> sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
> are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
> having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I always
have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've
*got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the
reminder.
>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
>> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I
>> would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
>> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
>> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
>> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but
>> also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>
> There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
Usenet is funny like that :)
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result: news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>
> [...]>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
>
> >> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I
> >> would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
> >> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
> >>
> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
> >> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but
> >> also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
> >
> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>
> Usenet is funny like that :)
I've answered the OP on sci.med.diseases.cancer
That's where his type of post belongs.
J
Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result: news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>
> [...]>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
>
> >> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I
> >> would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
> >> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
> >>
> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
> >> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but
> >> also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
> >
> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>
> Usenet is funny like that :)
I've answered the OP on sci.med.diseases.cancer
That's where his type of post belongs.
J
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>
> > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>, Marc
> > Bissonnette wrote:
>
> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> >> experience with this :)
>
> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
> > now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
> > sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
> > are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
> > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
>
> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I always
> have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've
> *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the
> reminder.
>
> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
> >> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I
> >> would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
> >> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index e.html
>
> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
> >> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but
> >> also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>
> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>
> Usenet is funny like that :)
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
---
CSM
On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>
> > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>, Marc
> > Bissonnette wrote:
>
> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> >> experience with this :)
>
> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
> > now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
> > sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
> > are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
> > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
>
> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I always
> have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've
> *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the
> reminder.
>
> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a
> >> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I
> >> would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
> >> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide
> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index e.html
>
> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body
> >> healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but
> >> also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>
> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>
> Usenet is funny like that :)
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
---
CSM
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
In message <2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com >, csm7532@hotmail . com wrote:
> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
> question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
> blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
> faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
> glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
> of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
> sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
> as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
Part of the problem is that when someone is going into insulin
shock solid food is a Bad Idea. The glucose gel packs are
pretty much the gold standard; there are little ones that are
made specifically for emergency administration and even come
with tongue depressors so that the stuff can be inserted
orally where the oral mucosa will absorb direct to bloodstream.
However, barring that, sucrose keeps pretty well and hydrolyzes
to glucose and fructose readily. We used to say that a soft
drink was a reasonable substitute, but in the USA they're
all pretty much glucose-free and you don't want to wait for
the liver to process fructose to get blood levels up.
Which leaves little packets of table sugar: easy to administer
to a less-than-alert patient, keep well, get blood sugar up
fairly quickly. When you're dealing with something that can
kill as quickly as insulin shock, the perfect really is the
enemy of the good.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
In message <2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com >, csm7532@hotmail . com wrote:
> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
> question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
> blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
> faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
> glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
> of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
> sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
> as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
Part of the problem is that when someone is going into insulin
shock solid food is a Bad Idea. The glucose gel packs are
pretty much the gold standard; there are little ones that are
made specifically for emergency administration and even come
with tongue depressors so that the stuff can be inserted
orally where the oral mucosa will absorb direct to bloodstream.
However, barring that, sucrose keeps pretty well and hydrolyzes
to glucose and fructose readily. We used to say that a soft
drink was a reasonable substitute, but in the USA they're
all pretty much glucose-free and you don't want to wait for
the liver to process fructose to get blood levels up.
Which leaves little packets of table sugar: easy to administer
to a less-than-alert patient, keep well, get blood sugar up
fairly quickly. When you're dealing with something that can
kill as quickly as insulin shock, the perfect really is the
enemy of the good.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
csm7532@hotmail . com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result:
news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com :
> On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis . com >
> wrote:
>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the
>> keyboard. This was the
>> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>>
>> > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
>> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>
>> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
>> >> experience with this :)
>>
>> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>>
>> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
>> > now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
>> > sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
>> > are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>>
>> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
>> > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
>> > instructions.
>>
>> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I
>> always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of
>> icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert
>> bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.
>>
>> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell,
>> >> I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
>> >> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for
>> >> cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
>> >> Food Guide
>> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your
>> >> body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the
>> >> cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>>
>> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>>
>> Usenet is funny like that :)
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette
>> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
>> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>
> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
> question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
> blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
> faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
> glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
> of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
> sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
> as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
>
Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing
sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times,
in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid
food got her stable.
Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood
sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived
(It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh
immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the
requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know),
but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as
quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then
rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works
best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to
swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it
doesn't happen in the first place :)
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
csm7532@hotmail . com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result:
news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com :
> On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis . com >
> wrote:
>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the
>> keyboard. This was the
>> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>>
>> > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
>> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>
>> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
>> >> experience with this :)
>>
>> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>>
>> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
>> > now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
>> > sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
>> > are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>>
>> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
>> > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
>> > instructions.
>>
>> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I
>> always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of
>> icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert
>> bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.
>>
>> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell,
>> >> I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
>> >> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for
>> >> cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
>> >> Food Guide
>> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your
>> >> body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the
>> >> cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>>
>> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>>
>> Usenet is funny like that :)
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette
>> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
>> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>
> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
> question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
> blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
> faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
> glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
> of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
> sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
> as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
>
Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing
sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times,
in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid
food got her stable.
Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood
sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived
(It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh
immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the
requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know),
but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as
quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then
rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works
best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to
swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it
doesn't happen in the first place :)
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
wrote:
> csm7...@hotmail . com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
> result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com :
>
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
> > wrote:
> >> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the
> >> keyboard. This was the
> >> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>
> >> > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
> >> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
> >> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> >> >> experience with this :)
>
> >> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> >> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
> >> > now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
> >> > sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
> >> > are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> >> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
> >> > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
> >> > instructions.
>
> >> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I
> >> always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of
> >> icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert
> >> bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.
>
> >> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell,
> >> >> I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
> >> >> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for
> >> >> cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
> >> >> Food Guide
> >> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index e.html
>
> >> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your
> >> >> body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the
> >> >> cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>
> >> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>
> >> Usenet is funny like that :)
>
> >> --
> >> Marc Bissonnette
> >> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
> >> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>
> > We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
> > question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
> > blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
> > faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
> > glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> > packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
> > of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
> > sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
> > as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
>
> Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing
> sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times,
> in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid
> food got her stable.
>
> Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood
> sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived
> (It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh
> immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the
> requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
>
> Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know),
> but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as
> quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then
> rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works
> best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to
> swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
>
> Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it
> doesn't happen in the first place :)
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I *did* miss
something important---unconsciousness. I'm surprised that table sugar
is much good, as I thought it (sucrose) was a fructose bonded to a
glucose, and therefore would take some digestion. If that happens
quickly, in the mouth, I guess it's not an issue. My understanding is
that the exercise gels are glucose, so they still seem a safe,
convenient option. The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
of those handy.
---
CSM
On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
wrote:
> csm7...@hotmail . com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
> result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com :
>
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
> > wrote:
> >> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the
> >> keyboard. This was the
> >> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>
> >> > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
> >> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
> >> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> >> >> experience with this :)
>
> >> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> >> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
> >> > now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
> >> > sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
> >> > are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> >> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
> >> > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
> >> > instructions.
>
> >> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I
> >> always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of
> >> icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert
> >> bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.
>
> >> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell,
> >> >> I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
> >> >> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for
> >> >> cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
> >> >> Food Guide
> >> >> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index e.html
>
> >> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your
> >> >> body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the
> >> >> cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>
> >> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>
> >> Usenet is funny like that :)
>
> >> --
> >> Marc Bissonnette
> >> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
> >> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>
> > We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
> > question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
> > blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
> > faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
> > glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> > packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
> > of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
> > sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
> > as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
>
> Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing
> sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times,
> in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid
> food got her stable.
>
> Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood
> sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived
> (It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh
> immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the
> requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
>
> Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know),
> but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as
> quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then
> rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works
> best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to
> swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
>
> Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it
> doesn't happen in the first place :)
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I *did* miss
something important---unconsciousness. I'm surprised that table sugar
is much good, as I thought it (sucrose) was a fructose bonded to a
glucose, and therefore would take some digestion. If that happens
quickly, in the mouth, I guess it's not an issue. My understanding is
that the exercise gels are glucose, so they still seem a safe,
convenient option. The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
of those handy.
---
CSM
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03613@d21g2000prf.googlegroups . com >, csm7532@hotmail . com wrote:
> The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
> with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
> I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
> of those handy.
I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at
all times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but
people I patrol with have -- and not on the hill. In
all seriousness, it can save someone's life at totally
unexpected times.
In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes
sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it,
and ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.)
I put sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as
"don't leave home without it" supplies.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03613@d21g2000prf.googlegroups . com >, csm7532@hotmail . com wrote:
> The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
> with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
> I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
> of those handy.
I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at
all times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but
people I patrol with have -- and not on the hill. In
all seriousness, it can save someone's life at totally
unexpected times.
In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes
sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it,
and ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.)
I put sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as
"don't leave home without it" supplies.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
On Mar 13, 10:09 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > wrote:
> In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups . com >, csm7...@hotmail . com wrote:
>
> > The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
> > with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
> > I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
> > of those handy.
>
> I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at
> all times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but
> people I patrol with have -- and not on the hill. In
> all seriousness, it can save someone's life at totally
> unexpected times.
>
> In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes
> sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it,
> and ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.)
> I put sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as
> "don't leave home without it" supplies.
>
> --
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
Sorry for the late response, but I missed your post somehow.
I tried the glucose gel packs from a bike shop and didn't like them
much (I just use extra-strength *orade), but now I think I'll get a
few and keep them handy, just in case. I hope I never encounter
someone going through insulin shock, but if I do, it would be great to
be prepared. I hope yours remain unused.
---
CSM
On Mar 13, 10:09 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > wrote:
> In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups . com >, csm7...@hotmail . com wrote:
>
> > The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
> > with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
> > I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
> > of those handy.
>
> I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at
> all times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but
> people I patrol with have -- and not on the hill. In
> all seriousness, it can save someone's life at totally
> unexpected times.
>
> In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes
> sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it,
> and ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.)
> I put sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as
> "don't leave home without it" supplies.
>
> --
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
Sorry for the late response, but I missed your post somehow.
I tried the glucose gel packs from a bike shop and didn't like them
much (I just use extra-strength *orade), but now I think I'll get a
few and keep them handy, just in case. I hope I never encounter
someone going through insulin shock, but if I do, it would be great to
be prepared. I hope yours remain unused.
---
CSM
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
csm7532@hotmail . com wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
> wrote:
>> csm7...@hotmail . com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
>> result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com :
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the
>>>> keyboard. This was the
>>>> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>>>>> In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
>>>>> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>>>>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
>>>>>> experience with this :)
>>>>> Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>>>>> Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
>>>>> now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
>>>>> sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
>>>>> are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>>>>> Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
>>>>> having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
>>>>> instructions.
>>>> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I
>>>> always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of
>>>> icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert
>>>> bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.
>>>>>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell,
>>>>>> I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
>>>>>> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for
>>>>>> cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
>>>>>> Food Guide
>>>>>> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index e.html
>>>>>> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your
>>>>>> body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the
>>>>>> cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>>>>> There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>>>> Usenet is funny like that :)
>>>> --
>>>> Marc Bissonnette
>>>> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
>>>> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>>> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
>>> question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
>>> blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
>>> faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
>>> glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
>>> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
>>> of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
>>> sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
>>> as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
>> Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing
>> sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times,
>> in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid
>> food got her stable.
>>
>> Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood
>> sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived
>> (It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh
>> immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the
>> requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
>>
>> Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know),
>> but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as
>> quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then
>> rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works
>> best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to
>> swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
>>
>> Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it
>> doesn't happen in the first place :)
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette
>> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
>> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>
> Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I *did* miss
> something important---unconsciousness. I'm surprised that table sugar
> is much good, as I thought it (sucrose) was a fructose bonded to a
> glucose, and therefore would take some digestion. If that happens
> quickly, in the mouth, I guess it's not an issue. My understanding is
> that the exercise gels are glucose, so they still seem a safe,
> convenient option. The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
> with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
> I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
> of those handy.
>
> ---
> CSM
They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I recall
correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for Valentine's Day (with
little slogans on them) are pretty much the same thing, aren't they?
And Necco wafers?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
csm7532@hotmail . com wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
> wrote:
>> csm7...@hotmail . com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
>> result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups . com :
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\ @ /internalysis . com >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel . com > fell face-first on the
>>>> keyboard. This was the
>>>> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel . com :
>>>>> In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
>>>>> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>>>>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
>>>>>> experience with this :)
>>>>> Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>>>>> Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is
>>>>> now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own
>>>>> sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers
>>>>> are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>>>>> Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of
>>>>> having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
>>>>> instructions.
>>>> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I
>>>> always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of
>>>> icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert
>>>> bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.
>>>>>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell,
>>>>>> I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
>>>>>> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for
>>>>>> cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
>>>>>> Food Guide
>>>>>> * w w w .hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index e.html
>>>>>> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your
>>>>>> body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the
>>>>>> cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.
>>>>> There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.
>>>> Usenet is funny like that :)
>>>> --
>>>> Marc Bissonnette
>>>> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
>>>> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>>> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a
>>> question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the
>>> blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar
>>> faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded
>>> glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
>>> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple
>>> of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
>>> sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important,
>>> as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.
>> Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing
>> sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times,
>> in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid
>> food got her stable.
>>
>> Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood
>> sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived
>> (It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh
>> immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the
>> requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
>>
>> Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know),
>> but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as
>> quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then
>> rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works
>> best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to
>> swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
>>
>> Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it
>> doesn't happen in the first place :)
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette
>> Looking for a new ISP? * w w w .canadianisp . com
>> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
>
> Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I *did* miss
> something important---unconsciousness. I'm surprised that table sugar
> is much good, as I thought it (sucrose) was a fructose bonded to a
> glucose, and therefore would take some digestion. If that happens
> quickly, in the mouth, I guess it's not an issue. My understanding is
> that the exercise gels are glucose, so they still seem a safe,
> convenient option. The gel packs specially designed for this purpose,
> with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad
> I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few
> of those handy.
>
> ---
> CSM
They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I recall
correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for Valentine's Day (with
little slogans on them) are pretty much the same thing, aren't they?
And Necco wafers?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: glucose and benign brain tumors
In message <13ucoq9p215nr7f@corp.supernews . com >, Marshall Price wrote:
> They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I recall
> correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for Valentine's Day (with
> little slogans on them) are pretty much the same thing, aren't they?
> And Necco wafers?
No, they're sucrose. However, they work nicely since
sucrose hydrolyzes to fructose and glucose so it still
gets the stuff to the patient pretty quickly.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
In message <13ucoq9p215nr7f@corp.supernews . com >, Marshall Price wrote:
> They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I recall
> correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for Valentine's Day (with
> little slogans on them) are pretty much the same thing, aren't they?
> And Necco wafers?
No, they're sucrose. However, they work nicely since
sucrose hydrolyzes to fructose and glucose so it still
gets the stuff to the patient pretty quickly.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel . com > ----------+
