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In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
million.
A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
thing!
The best to you.
Kelley Eidem
And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
million.
A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
thing!
The best to you.
Kelley Eidem
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> million.
>
> A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> thing!
>
> The best to you.
>
> Kelley Eidem
So I see you are still peddling some one else's achievements. Are you still
trying to sell your book on Dr Emanual Revici's life works?
Your greatest admirer, Rod
>
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> million.
>
> A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> thing!
>
> The best to you.
>
> Kelley Eidem
So I see you are still peddling some one else's achievements. Are you still
trying to sell your book on Dr Emanual Revici's life works?
Your greatest admirer, Rod
>
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 14, 6:51 am, "Rod" <deniecer...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> > million.
>
> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> > thing!
>
> > The best to you.
>
> > Kelley Eidem
>
> So I see you are still peddling some one else's achievements.
Did Revici write my book??
Are you still
> trying to sell your book on Dr Emanuel Revici's life works?
Sales are higher than ever. Yesterday, the lowest price used copy was
being offered for $162 over at that big online bookstore. My softcover
version sells for far less.
>
> Your greatest admirer, Rod
The best to you as well.
>
>
On May 14, 6:51 am, "Rod" <deniecer...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> > million.
>
> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> > thing!
>
> > The best to you.
>
> > Kelley Eidem
>
> So I see you are still peddling some one else's achievements.
Did Revici write my book??
Are you still
> trying to sell your book on Dr Emanuel Revici's life works?
Sales are higher than ever. Yesterday, the lowest price used copy was
being offered for $162 over at that big online bookstore. My softcover
version sells for far less.
>
> Your greatest admirer, Rod
The best to you as well.
>
>
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> million.
>
> A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> thing!
If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are about
ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer industry
is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
* w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
PM
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> million.
>
> A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> thing!
If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are about
ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer industry
is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
* w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
PM
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 14, 5:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
A massive alternative cancer industry
> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>
> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>
> PM
Let us put a different spin on this statement.
A massive and profitable cancer idustry is sustained by numerous but
dubious claims about effectiveness.
Makes sense to me.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
On May 14, 5:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
A massive alternative cancer industry
> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>
> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>
> PM
Let us put a different spin on this statement.
A massive and profitable cancer idustry is sustained by numerous but
dubious claims about effectiveness.
Makes sense to me.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> > million.
>
> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> > thing!
>
> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are about
> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer industry
> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>
> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>
> PM
Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
making your definition of dubious, dubious.
In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
were 33-35 years later.
Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
choices.
No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
last 100 years.
As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
will spell the demise of the medical industry.
It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
gone. Thank God for that.
On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> > million.
>
> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> > thing!
>
> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are about
> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer industry
> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>
> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>
> PM
Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
making your definition of dubious, dubious.
In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
were 33-35 years later.
Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
choices.
No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
last 100 years.
As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
will spell the demise of the medical industry.
It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
gone. Thank God for that.
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
complete agreement.
Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
still do ) to whatever.
Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
control of this unrully child of free speech.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
complete agreement.
Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
still do ) to whatever.
Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
control of this unrully child of free speech.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
> On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> complete agreement.
>
> Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> still do ) to whatever.
>
> Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> control of this unrully child of free speech.
Hear! Hear!
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
That's a great tag line!
On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
> On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> complete agreement.
>
> Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> still do ) to whatever.
>
> Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> control of this unrully child of free speech.
Hear! Hear!
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
That's a great tag line!
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
> On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> complete agreement.
>
> Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> still do ) to whatever.
>
> Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> control of this unrully child of free speech.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
It's cute to see how we keep getting 1 star. Is there anything more
childish than that?
On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
> On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> complete agreement.
>
> Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> still do ) to whatever.
>
> Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> control of this unrully child of free speech.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
It's cute to see how we keep getting 1 star. Is there anything more
childish than that?
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 16, 12:13 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> > It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> > complete agreement.
>
> > Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> > supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> > the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> > still do ) to whatever.
>
> > Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> > control of this unrully child of free speech.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> It's cute to see how we keep getting 1 star. Is there anything more
> childish than that?
What is the value of manipulating the rating system for the pharma
shills?
The pharma shills always get 5 stars and anyone alternative
automatically gets a 1 star rating.
This just goes to show everyone just how despicable and loathsome the
pharma shills are.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
On May 16, 12:13 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> > It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> > complete agreement.
>
> > Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> > supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> > the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> > still do ) to whatever.
>
> > Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> > control of this unrully child of free speech.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> It's cute to see how we keep getting 1 star. Is there anything more
> childish than that?
What is the value of manipulating the rating system for the pharma
shills?
The pharma shills always get 5 stars and anyone alternative
automatically gets a 1 star rating.
This just goes to show everyone just how despicable and loathsome the
pharma shills are.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
<drceephd@insightbb . com > wrote in message
news:865d782c-5024-4a01-b20b-eaaf3fe3f08d@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
On May 16, 12:13 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> > It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> > complete agreement.
>
> > Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> > supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> > the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> > still do ) to whatever.
>
> > Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> > control of this unrully child of free speech.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> It's cute to see how we keep getting 1 star. Is there anything more
> childish than that?
> What is the value of manipulating the rating system for the pharma
> shills?
> The pharma shills always get 5 stars and anyone alternative
> automatically gets a 1 star rating.
> This just goes to show everyone just how despicable and loathsome the
> pharma shills are.
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Or puerile bullshit, fortunately
<drceephd@insightbb . com > wrote in message
news:865d782c-5024-4a01-b20b-eaaf3fe3f08d@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
On May 16, 12:13 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 14, 8:49 pm, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 9:38 pm, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> > It would appear that you, Kelley, and I, who ever I am, are in
> > complete agreement.
>
> > Prior to the internet, the medical monopoly and the Morons reigned
> > supreme. They controlled all the information from the Newspapers to
> > the magazines, to the radio to the TV, to the medical journals ( they
> > still do ) to whatever.
>
> > Let us make the best use of the internet until the bastards gain
> > control of this unrully child of free speech.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> It's cute to see how we keep getting 1 star. Is there anything more
> childish than that?
> What is the value of manipulating the rating system for the pharma
> shills?
> The pharma shills always get 5 stars and anyone alternative
> automatically gets a 1 star rating.
> This just goes to show everyone just how despicable and loathsome the
> pharma shills are.
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Or puerile bullshit, fortunately
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:ea715c39-7843-40dd-8b1a-22aea482b01f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
>> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
>> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
>> > million.
>>
>> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
>> > thing!
>>
>> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are
>> about
>> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
>> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
>> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer
>> industry
>> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>>
>> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>>
>> PM
>
> Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
> You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
> disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
> making your definition of dubious, dubious.
>
> In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
> Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
> undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
> were 33-35 years later.
So you have two cases some decades old, in whom we are denied any
opportunity to recheck the diagnosis, or to find out all treatments that
were used. They are being attributed to a method that remains compeltely
implausible and unsupported by subsequent research, and that only you, ab
unkowledge3able person both medically and physiologically, are championing..
I repeat -- the whole alternative cancer industry is sustained by a few
dubious testimonials.
>
> Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
> on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
> Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
> patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
> choices.
Yes, they can be informed thusly --
Cancer is a condition with clear-cut symptoms and physical manifestations.
"Cure" means making it go away.
Claiming to be able to cure cancer thus means being able to regularly
produce cured patients i.e. cases where unmistakable, active, established
cancer has been made to go away without help from any other treatments.
Everyone should be in the face of cancer quacks demanding that they produce
such cases. I know that they cannnot -- they try to sneak in cases that
have to be given the benefit of the doubt, or that represent the short term
endorsement of poor folk who have just been promised a medical miracle that
will never come. . Their methods have no effect on patients with
*established cancer*.
PM
>
> No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
> can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
> last 100 years.
>
> As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
> years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
> tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
>
> More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
> your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
> truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
>
> The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
> children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
> The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
> time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
> will spell the demise of the medical industry.
>
> It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
> gone. Thank God for that.
>
>
>
>
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:ea715c39-7843-40dd-8b1a-22aea482b01f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
>> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
>> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
>> > million.
>>
>> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
>> > thing!
>>
>> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are
>> about
>> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
>> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
>> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer
>> industry
>> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>>
>> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>>
>> PM
>
> Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
> You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
> disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
> making your definition of dubious, dubious.
>
> In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
> Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
> undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
> were 33-35 years later.
So you have two cases some decades old, in whom we are denied any
opportunity to recheck the diagnosis, or to find out all treatments that
were used. They are being attributed to a method that remains compeltely
implausible and unsupported by subsequent research, and that only you, ab
unkowledge3able person both medically and physiologically, are championing..
I repeat -- the whole alternative cancer industry is sustained by a few
dubious testimonials.
>
> Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
> on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
> Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
> patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
> choices.
Yes, they can be informed thusly --
Cancer is a condition with clear-cut symptoms and physical manifestations.
"Cure" means making it go away.
Claiming to be able to cure cancer thus means being able to regularly
produce cured patients i.e. cases where unmistakable, active, established
cancer has been made to go away without help from any other treatments.
Everyone should be in the face of cancer quacks demanding that they produce
such cases. I know that they cannnot -- they try to sneak in cases that
have to be given the benefit of the doubt, or that represent the short term
endorsement of poor folk who have just been promised a medical miracle that
will never come. . Their methods have no effect on patients with
*established cancer*.
PM
>
> No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
> can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
> last 100 years.
>
> As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
> years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
> tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
>
> More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
> your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
> truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
>
> The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
> children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
> The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
> time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
> will spell the demise of the medical industry.
>
> It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
> gone. Thank God for that.
>
>
>
>
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
On May 15, 12:37 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:ea715c39-7843-40dd-8b1a-22aea482b01f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
> >> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> >>news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
> >> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> >> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> >> > million.
>
> >> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> >> > thing!
>
> >> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are
> >> about
> >> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
> >> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
> >> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer
> >> industry
> >> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>
> >> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>
> >> PM
>
> > Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
> > You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
> > disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
> > making your definition of dubious, dubious.
>
> > In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
> > Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
> > undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
> > were 33-35 years later.
>
> So you have two cases some decades old, in whom we are denied any
> opportunity to recheck the diagnosis, or to find out all treatments that
> were used. They are being attributed to a method that remains compeltely
> implausible and unsupported by subsequent research, and that only you, ab
> unkowledge3able person both medically and physiologically, are championing..
>
> I repeat -- the whole alternative cancer industry is sustained by a few
> dubious testimonials.
>
>
>
> > Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
> > on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
> > Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
> > patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
> > choices.
>
> Yes, they can be informed thusly --
>
> Cancer is a condition with clear-cut symptoms and physical manifestations.
> "Cure" means making it go away.
> Claiming to be able to cure cancer thus means being able to regularly
> produce cured patients i.e. cases where unmistakable, active, established
> cancer has been made to go away without help from any other treatments.
>
> Everyone should be in the face of cancer quacks demanding that they produce
> such cases. I know that they cannnot -- they try to sneak in cases that
> have to be given the benefit of the doubt, or that represent the short term
> endorsement of poor folk who have just been promised a medical miracle that
> will never come. . Their methods have no effect on patients with
> *established cancer*.
>
> PM
>
>
>
> > No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
> > can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
> > last 100 years.
>
> > As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
> > years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
> > tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
>
> > More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
> > your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
> > truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
>
> > The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
> > children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
> > The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
> > time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
> > will spell the demise of the medical industry.
>
> > It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
> > gone. Thank God for that.
My book is full of cases...most remarkable cases indeed, yet they are
only the tip of the iceberg of cases cured by Dr. Revici.
As far as your examining them to provide the golden imprimatur, you've
already PROVEN yourself to be unreliable and biased, just like Barrett
was found to be biased in a court of law.
Furthermore you admitted yourself that you would not even pick up the
phone to find out how a lung cancer patient with mets had become
cancer free. No one cares about your opinion... . it 's worthless when it
comes to what is and is not a cure.
On May 15, 12:37 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:ea715c39-7843-40dd-8b1a-22aea482b01f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
> >> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> >>news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
> >> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
> >> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
> >> > million.
>
> >> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a beautiful
> >> > thing!
>
> >> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are
> >> about
> >> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
> >> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away while
> >> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer
> >> industry
> >> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>
> >> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>
> >> PM
>
> > Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
> > You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
> > disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
> > making your definition of dubious, dubious.
>
> > In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
> > Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
> > undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
> > were 33-35 years later.
>
> So you have two cases some decades old, in whom we are denied any
> opportunity to recheck the diagnosis, or to find out all treatments that
> were used. They are being attributed to a method that remains compeltely
> implausible and unsupported by subsequent research, and that only you, ab
> unkowledge3able person both medically and physiologically, are championing..
>
> I repeat -- the whole alternative cancer industry is sustained by a few
> dubious testimonials.
>
>
>
> > Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
> > on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
> > Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
> > patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
> > choices.
>
> Yes, they can be informed thusly --
>
> Cancer is a condition with clear-cut symptoms and physical manifestations.
> "Cure" means making it go away.
> Claiming to be able to cure cancer thus means being able to regularly
> produce cured patients i.e. cases where unmistakable, active, established
> cancer has been made to go away without help from any other treatments.
>
> Everyone should be in the face of cancer quacks demanding that they produce
> such cases. I know that they cannnot -- they try to sneak in cases that
> have to be given the benefit of the doubt, or that represent the short term
> endorsement of poor folk who have just been promised a medical miracle that
> will never come. . Their methods have no effect on patients with
> *established cancer*.
>
> PM
>
>
>
> > No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
> > can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
> > last 100 years.
>
> > As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
> > years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
> > tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
>
> > More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
> > your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
> > truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
>
> > The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
> > children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
> > The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
> > time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
> > will spell the demise of the medical industry.
>
> > It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
> > gone. Thank God for that.
My book is full of cases...most remarkable cases indeed, yet they are
only the tip of the iceberg of cases cured by Dr. Revici.
As far as your examining them to provide the golden imprimatur, you've
already PROVEN yourself to be unreliable and biased, just like Barrett
was found to be biased in a court of law.
Furthermore you admitted yourself that you would not even pick up the
phone to find out how a lung cancer patient with mets had become
cancer free. No one cares about your opinion... . it 's worthless when it
comes to what is and is not a cure.
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:e0dd89bf-10fd-4d4a-8554-a4d283cf61ea@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 15, 12:37 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
>> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:ea715c39-7843-40dd-8b1a-22aea482b01f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
>> >> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> >> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
>> >> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
>> >> > million.
>>
>> >> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a
>> >> > beautiful
>> >> > thing!
>>
>> >> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are
>> >> about
>> >> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
>> >> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away
>> >> while
>> >> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer
>> >> industry
>> >> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>>
>> >> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>>
>> >> PM
>>
>> > Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
>> > You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
>> > disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
>> > making your definition of dubious, dubious.
>>
>> > In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
>> > Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
>> > undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
>> > were 33-35 years later.
>>
>> So you have two cases some decades old, in whom we are denied any
>> opportunity to recheck the diagnosis, or to find out all treatments that
>> were used. They are being attributed to a method that remains compeltely
>> implausible and unsupported by subsequent research, and that only you, ab
>> unkowledge3able person both medically and physiologically, are
>> championing..
>>
>> I repeat -- the whole alternative cancer industry is sustained by a few
>> dubious testimonials.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
>> > on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
>> > Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
>> > patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
>> > choices.
>>
>> Yes, they can be informed thusly --
>>
>> Cancer is a condition with clear-cut symptoms and physical
>> manifestations.
>> "Cure" means making it go away.
>> Claiming to be able to cure cancer thus means being able to regularly
>> produce cured patients i.e. cases where unmistakable, active, established
>> cancer has been made to go away without help from any other treatments.
>>
>> Everyone should be in the face of cancer quacks demanding that they
>> produce
>> such cases. I know that they cannnot -- they try to sneak in cases that
>> have to be given the benefit of the doubt, or that represent the short
>> term
>> endorsement of poor folk who have just been promised a medical miracle
>> that
>> will never come. . Their methods have no effect on patients with
>> *established cancer*.
>>
>> PM
>>
>>
>>
>> > No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
>> > can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
>> > last 100 years.
>>
>> > As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
>> > years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
>> > tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
>>
>> > More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
>> > your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
>> > truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
>>
>> > The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
>> > children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
>> > The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
>> > time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
>> > will spell the demise of the medical industry.
>>
>> > It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
>> > gone. Thank God for that.
>
> My book is full of cases...most remarkable cases indeed, yet they are
> only the tip of the iceberg of cases cured by Dr. Revici.
>
> As far as your examining them to provide the golden imprimatur, you've
> already PROVEN yourself to be unreliable and biased, just like Barrett
> was found to be biased in a court of law.
>
> Furthermore you admitted yourself that you would not even pick up the
> phone to find out how a lung cancer patient with mets had become
> cancer free. No one cares about your opinion... . it 's worthless when it
> comes to what is and is not a cure.
Yes, people are free to decide for themselves who they wish to believe.
But if they choose to be influenced by sparse, low-quality, unverifiable
testimonials, then there are plenty of crooks willing to supply them with
fake cancer cures. I suppose even that is OK by me, so long as cancer
patients are not induced to entrust their lives to them .
Everyone interested in this area should at least learn the basics of
assessing testimonial, so that they can at least eliminate some of the more
obvious scam artists and deluded fools from the alternative cancer industry.
See * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/Brenneranecdote.htm , which
actually looks at your favorite quack's best cases (Revici), and
* w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
PM
w w w .cancerwatcher . com
.
PM
"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:e0dd89bf-10fd-4d4a-8554-a4d283cf61ea@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 15, 12:37 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
>> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:ea715c39-7843-40dd-8b1a-22aea482b01f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 14, 4:33 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on . net > wrote:
>> >> "Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:31875d77-54ad-4c63-9a13-f340b0157357@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> >> > And folks are starting to pass it along to their email buddies. By
>> >> > Christmas of 2008, a million visits are possible. Or it could be ten
>> >> > million.
>>
>> >> > A new day is coming. For some, it is already here. That's a
>> >> > beautiful
>> >> > thing!
>>
>> >> If this is about the cure of cancer by alternative methods, there are
>> >> about
>> >> ten times more different claimed ways of doing this, than you can find
>> >> patients with established cancer that seemed to definitely go away
>> >> while
>> >> being treated with those treatments. A massive alternative cancer
>> >> industry
>> >> is sustained by a handful of dubious testimonials.
>>
>> >> * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
>>
>> >> PM
>>
>> > Peter, we can agree to disagree on what is effective and what is not.
>> > You, for instance when presented with photographic evidence of a tumor
>> > disappearing were unable to see what was in front of you, thereby
>> > making your definition of dubious, dubious.
>>
>> > In my case, I've spent time with a retired physician (Harvard, Yale
>> > Medical School) who was supposed to have died from his highly
>> > undifferentiated brain tumor in two months. My interviews with him
>> > were 33-35 years later.
>>
>> So you have two cases some decades old, in whom we are denied any
>> opportunity to recheck the diagnosis, or to find out all treatments that
>> were used. They are being attributed to a method that remains compeltely
>> implausible and unsupported by subsequent research, and that only you, ab
>> unkowledge3able person both medically and physiologically, are
>> championing..
>>
>> I repeat -- the whole alternative cancer industry is sustained by a few
>> dubious testimonials.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Be that as it may, my message this time isn't about what e disagree
>> > on. It's just a message of celebration, because like the effect of the
>> > Gutenberg press of 500+ years ago, the Internet today gives the
>> > patients and their families the opportunity to make their own informed
>> > choices.
>>
>> Yes, they can be informed thusly --
>>
>> Cancer is a condition with clear-cut symptoms and physical
>> manifestations.
>> "Cure" means making it go away.
>> Claiming to be able to cure cancer thus means being able to regularly
>> produce cured patients i.e. cases where unmistakable, active, established
>> cancer has been made to go away without help from any other treatments.
>>
>> Everyone should be in the face of cancer quacks demanding that they
>> produce
>> such cases. I know that they cannnot -- they try to sneak in cases that
>> have to be given the benefit of the doubt, or that represent the short
>> term
>> endorsement of poor folk who have just been promised a medical miracle
>> that
>> will never come. . Their methods have no effect on patients with
>> *established cancer*.
>>
>> PM
>>
>>
>>
>> > No longer does the medical profession industry hold all the cards. We
>> > can bypass you and we can decline the well practiced failures of the
>> > last 100 years.
>>
>> > As someone who has been supporting alternative approaches for 30
>> > years, I can tell you that the public's attitude has changed
>> > tremendously...in fact, it has changed tremendously from 10 years ago.
>>
>> > More people still believe like you do at the moment, but every day
>> > your majority shrinks a little more. You can't stop the desire for the
>> > truth, even if you can hide it for a century.
>>
>> > The fact is that after seeing parents, and brothers and sisters, and
>> > children suffer needlessly, most intelligent people start to question.
>> > The medical industry succeeded in quelling the questions for a long
>> > time. But the Internet has provided a venue for communication that
>> > will spell the demise of the medical industry.
>>
>> > It's coming faster and faster every day. Your heyday has come and
>> > gone. Thank God for that.
>
> My book is full of cases...most remarkable cases indeed, yet they are
> only the tip of the iceberg of cases cured by Dr. Revici.
>
> As far as your examining them to provide the golden imprimatur, you've
> already PROVEN yourself to be unreliable and biased, just like Barrett
> was found to be biased in a court of law.
>
> Furthermore you admitted yourself that you would not even pick up the
> phone to find out how a lung cancer patient with mets had become
> cancer free. No one cares about your opinion... . it 's worthless when it
> comes to what is and is not a cure.
Yes, people are free to decide for themselves who they wish to believe.
But if they choose to be influenced by sparse, low-quality, unverifiable
testimonials, then there are plenty of crooks willing to supply them with
fake cancer cures. I suppose even that is OK by me, so long as cancer
patients are not induced to entrust their lives to them .
Everyone interested in this area should at least learn the basics of
assessing testimonial, so that they can at least eliminate some of the more
obvious scam artists and deluded fools from the alternative cancer industry.
See * w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/Brenneranecdote.htm , which
actually looks at your favorite quack's best cases (Revici), and
* w w w .users.on . net /~pmoran/cancer/how to read a testimonial.htm
PM
w w w .cancerwatcher . com
.
PM
Re: In the last 72 hours, nearly 2,000 visits to a free cancer cure were made
"Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on . net >
Nothing but Quack.
"Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on . net >
Nothing but Quack.
