School Shootings

School Shootings

* w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
taking the antidepressant Prozac.

Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
behavior. I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
they don't feel depressed." What they actually do, though, is detach
these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
kids play out.

It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
display violent behavior. We've seen this in the studies and finally,
after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
including school shootings.

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 5:53 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
> * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
> The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
> children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
> another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
> an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
> taking the antidepressant Prozac.
>
> Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
> behavior. I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
> Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
> were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
> any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
> completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
> they don't feel depressed." What they actually do, though, is detach
> these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
> and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
> people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
> kids play out.
>
> It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
> display violent behavior. We've seen this in the studies and finally,
> after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
> to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
> about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
> behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
> slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
> between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
> including school shootings.

This is called "association fallacy". You are making the assumption
that because these criminals were taking antidepressants when they
committed violent crimes, therefore antidepressants are the reason
they committed these crimes. For every criminal that was on
antidepressants, however, I can point to ten who took no drugs
whatsoever.

To be frank, your theory is bullshit. There is NO evidence to support
the claim that antidepressants cause one to be violent. None. Zero.
Zilch.

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 5:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail . com > wrote:
> This is called "association fallacy". You are making the assumption
> that because these criminals were taking antidepressants when they
> committed violent crimes, therefore antidepressants are the reason
> they committed these crimes. For every criminal that was on
> antidepressants, however, I can point to ten who took no drugs
> whatsoever.
>
> To be frank, your theory is bullshit. There is NO evidence to support
> the claim that antidepressants cause one to be violent. None. Zero.
> Zilch.

Oh, and it's also entirely offtopic. Please trim your bullshit from
alt.religion.scientology. In case you missed the memo that last dozen
times, IT IS NOT WELCOME HERE.

Re: School Shootings

I believe this thread is only here because it's a sci obsession to
trash anti-depressants and other medications. They've never proven
anti-depressants to anything negative other than inwardly violent
suicidal behavior. I myself have taken them before and, although they
made me more depressed, I never felt violent. Your biggest mistake is
assuming that the school shooter didn't have violent tendencies before
he started the medication.

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 8:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 5:53 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
> > The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
> > children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
> > another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
> > an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
> > taking the antidepressant Prozac.
>
> > Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
> > behavior. I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
> > Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
> > were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
> > any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
> > completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
> > they don't feel depressed." What they actually do, though, is detach
> > these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
> > and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
> > people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
> > kids play out.
>
> > It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
> > display violent behavior. We've seen this in the studies and finally,
> > after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
> > to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
> > about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
> > behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
> > slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
> > between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
> > including school shootings.
>
> This is called "association fallacy". You are making the assumption
> that because these criminals were taking antidepressants when they
> committed violent crimes, therefore antidepressants are the reason
> they committed these crimes. For every criminal that was on
> antidepressants, however, I can point to ten who took no drugs
> whatsoever.
>
> To be frank, your theory is bullshit. There is NO evidence to support
> the claim that antidepressants cause one to be violent. None. Zero.
> Zilch.

Are you calling Dr. Peter Breggin a bullshitter? You may want to
checkout the :36 portion of this video, if you dare.
* w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=dSZ9YTnSkLc
Are you afraid of the truth? Lets talk about that Prozac clinical
trial that he was talking about.

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 6:34 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
> Are you calling Dr. Peter Breggin a bullshitter? You may want to
> checkout the :36 portion of this video, if you dare. * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=dSZ9YTnSkLc
> Are you afraid of the truth? Lets talk about that Prozac clinical
> trial that he was talking about.

Where's the peer review and the published medical journal? I don't
give a rat's ass about someone on Youtube claiming to be a doctor.
Show me the facts, not your own conclusions.

Re: School Shootings

Jeff L wrote:
> On Apr 16, 5:53 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
>> * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
>> The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
>> children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
>> another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
>> an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
>> taking the antidepressant Prozac.
>>
>> Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
>> behavior. I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
>> Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
>> were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
>> any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
>> completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
>> they don't feel depressed." What they actually do, though, is detach
>> these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
>> and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
>> people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
>> kids play out.
>>
>> It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
>> display violent behavior. We've seen this in the studies and finally,
>> after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
>> to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
>> about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
>> behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
>> slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
>> between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
>> including school shootings.
>
> This is called "association fallacy". You are making the assumption
> that because these criminals were taking antidepressants when they
> committed violent crimes, therefore antidepressants are the reason
> they committed these crimes. For every criminal that was on
> antidepressants, however, I can point to ten who took no drugs
> whatsoever.
>
> To be frank, your theory is bullshit. There is NO evidence to support
> the claim that antidepressants cause one to be violent. None. Zero.
> Zilch.

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the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
appropriate.”

--Robert Goff
Professor Emeritus, UCSC

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 5:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 5:53 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
> > The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
> > children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
> > another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
> > an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
> > taking the antidepressant Prozac.
>
> > Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
> > behavior. I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
> > Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
> > were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
> > any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
> > completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
> > they don't feel depressed." What they actually do, though, is detach
> > these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
> > and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
> > people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
> > kids play out.
>
> > It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
> > display violent behavior. We've seen this in the studies and finally,
> > after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
> > to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
> > about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
> > behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
> > slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
> > between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
> > including school shootings.
>
> This is called "association fallacy". You are making the assumption
> that because these criminals were taking antidepressants when they
> committed violent crimes, therefore antidepressants are the reason
> they committed these crimes.

"Associative fallacy" is one of the principle tools of the malicious
gossip machine called "Anonymous".

Like assuming that the girl who committed suicide hours after
taking a personality test at a Church of Scientology org did
so because of that personality test.

No. I'm not reading your reply here. Already read enough of
your childish insults.

If what I have to say bothers you, feel free to dine on solid
human wastes. And to tell someone else what it tastes like.

Of course, it won't really bother you, considering it's what
comes OUT of your mouth on a regular basis.

<snip>

Tom Newton














For every criminal that was on
> antidepressants, however, I can point to ten who took no drugs
> whatsoever.
>
> To be frank, your theory is bullshit. There is NO evidence to support
> the claim that antidepressants cause one to be violent. None. Zero.
> Zilch.

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, Tom N <simpleman....@gmail . com > wrote:
> "Associative fallacy" is one of the principle tools of the malicious
> gossip machine called "Anonymous".
>
> Like assuming that the girl who committed suicide hours after
> taking a personality test at a Church of Scientology org did
> so because of that personality test.

I already made that argument in one of the first threads I saw on that
subject. Which is no doubt why you are rehashing it now. Ignorant sod.

On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, Tom N <simpleman....@gmail . com > wrote:
> No. I'm not reading your reply here. Already read enough of
> your childish insults.

Translation: "I'm going to spout bullshit, and you can say anything
you want in response, because I won't read it neiner neiner.". Of
course, I know you're going to. You know you're going to. You can't
resist.

brb church

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 7:53 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
> * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
> The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
> children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
> another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
> an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
> taking the antidepressant Prozac.
>
> Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
> behavior. I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
> Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
> were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
> any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
> completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
> they don't feel depressed." What they actually do, though, is detach
> these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
> and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
> people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
> kids play out.
>
> It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
> display violent behavior. We've seen this in the studies and finally,
> after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
> to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
> about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
> behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
> slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
> between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
> including school shootings.

Newsflash: Anti-depressants are used worldwide.

Plus there have been school shootings in Canada, Germany, France,
Scotland, and more.

Although here in America we have had WAY more school shootings than
other countries I really don't think anti-depressants were the cause
of them. I have been on nearly every anti-depressant known to man
since the age of 16 [that's no exaggeration] and I have never felt the
urge to go out and shoot up a school or any place for that matter.

Parents just need someone to blame and drug companies are the perfect
target.
What America has is a parenting crisis

Re: School Shootings

> What America has is a parenting crisis

No, what America has is the right to bare arms. I know of lots of
people, none on anti-depressants, who would be perfectly capable to go
on a killing rampage did they have access to weapons.
It's not the drugs, it's the constitution.
Some of my cousins have been on anti-depressants and none have turned
up to christmas with a baseball bat and a manic glint in their eyes. I
don't believe there is a direct parallel between violence and anti-
depressants.

Re: School Shootings

On Apr 16, 8:51 pm, katie...@hotmail . com wrote:
> > What America has is a parenting crisis
>
> No, what America has is the right to bare arms. I know of lots of
> people, none on anti-depressants, who would be perfectly capable to go
> on a killing rampage did they have access to weapons.
> It's not the drugs, it's the constitution.
> Some of my cousins have been on anti-depressants and none have turned
> up to christmas with a baseball bat and a manic glint in their eyes. I
> don't believe there is a direct parallel between violence and anti-
> depressants.

I concur.

Re: School Shootings

On 17 Apr., 03:55, omgyjya <omgy...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 8:51 pm, katie...@hotmail . com wrote:
>
> > > What America has is a parenting crisis
>
> > No, what America has is the right to bare arms. I know of lots of
> > people, none on anti-depressants, who would be perfectly capable to go
> > on a killing rampage did they have access to weapons.
> > It's not the drugs, it's the constitution.
> > Some of my cousins have been on anti-depressants and none have turned
> > up to christmas with a baseball bat and a manic glint in their eyes. I
> > don't believe there is a direct parallel between violence and anti-
> > depressants.
>
> I concur.

Alex:
I don't. It's not the drugs and it's not the guns. It's the heartless
environment *coupled* with drugs that don't cure the problem except on
the surface *and* the ready availability of guns. Again we're back to
the term of *coolism*. These kids usually have been succumbed to
discrimination because they're less than perfect. Some other kids take
advantage of that so that they can get all the girls, so-to-speak.
There is plenty of *sadism* going on among teens.

Re: School Shootings

On 17 Apr., 02:53, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych . com > wrote:
> * w w w .youtube . com /watch?v=7MyuSPw5Irs
> The United States is gaining a reputation around the world for raising
> children who go on school shooting rampages. Earlier this year, we had
> another one with 16-year-old Jeff Weiss, who went into his school on
> an Indian reservation and blew away 10 friends. And guess what? He was
> taking the antidepressant Prozac.
>
> Once again we see the link between antidepressants and violent
> behavior.

Alex:
The real link isn't between antidepressants and going amok but between
depression & self-doubt & social isolation and this behaviour. School
shooters are usually outsiders and loners, the victims of ridicule and
discrimination,. This drives the kids mad.

> I was raising the alarm about this in 1999 following the
> Columbine schools shootings. At that time we knew that those students
> were on antidepressant drugs, but the rest of the world didn't take
> any notice of it. The rest of the world said, "These drugs are
> completely safe. They keep these kids happy and in a normal state so
> they don't feel depressed."

Alex:
I don't completely agree but I think you have a point: the source of
it is the depression and the anti-depressants don't *solve* problem
but suppress it merely. What the kids need is that they be taken out
of social isolation, out of circles of society that value coolness and
success above everything else and that they get some actual, true love
and some guidance to life.

> What they actually do, though, is detach
> these kids from reality to the point they can go on shooting rampages
> and not even have a clue that they're affecting the lives of real
> people. It basically transforms the world into a video game that these
> kids play out.

Alex:
No, it doesn't. The kids exactly know the difference between shooting
pixels on a screen and real people. *That is why they did it*. They
wanted to kill real people.

> It makes it very easy for them to cross that threshold and begin to
> display violent behavior.

Alex:
Every kid knows the difference between pointing their finger at
someone and saying bam! and using a gun to kill people. That is *not*
the main problem. The actual problem is growing up in a heartless
environment where only the cool and socially skillful are worse
anything while those who are uncool, not good at talking, are ugly or
otherwise less than perfect are being mocked, harrassed, ridiculed and
*shunned* beyond breaking point.

> We've seen this in the studies and finally,
> after years and years of pounding this issue, some of it has started
> to come out in the popular press. We're seeing a lot of warnings now
> about antidepressant drugs and their ability to cause violent
> behavior. We're seeing some of these drugs pulled off the market. And
> slowly we're beginning to see the general public recognizing the link
> between antidepressant drugs in our youth and violent behavior,
> including school shootings.

Alex:
Except it's a slightly wrong conclusion. The drugs don't cause the
problems, they're just a non-working solution, allowing the actual
problem to continue without being addressed until it erupts very
spectacularly and violently so.