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Despite criticism, electroshock therapy commonly used in depression

Reply from: Brittany
Date: 13 May, 21:20
Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
depression.

The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
used more than 15,000 times in the country.

The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.

For more go http://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-therapy-commonly-used-in-depression/

Reply from: Eldon
Date: 13 May, 21:27
On May 13, 9:20 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> depression.
>
> The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> used more than 15,000 times in the country.

Yes, it's used (or perhaps overused) because it alleviates the
symptoms of major clinical depression.

WTF do you have to offer as an alternative? Vitamins and exercise?
Maybe Dr. Cruise can help you formulate your diagnosis.
>
> The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-therapy...


Reply from: Brittany
Date: 13 May, 21:40
On May 13, 3:27 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 9:20 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
>
> > Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> > therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> > depression.
>
> > The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> > last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> > passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> > used more than 15,000 times in the country.
>
> Yes, it's used (or perhaps overused) because it alleviates the
> symptoms of major clinical depression.
>
> WTF do you have to offer as an alternative? Vitamins and exercise?
> Maybe Dr. Cruise can help you formulate your diagnosis.
>
>
>
> > The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> > showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> > For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-therapy...

To be honest with you if people would drop the Mcdonalds burgers and
other fattening foods and start taking better care of their health,
maybe they would feel a lot better both mentally and physically. Have
you ever took the time to watch "Super size me"? If not then I suggest
you go and rent this movie and maybe you can have some insights.

Why do you protest about taking vitamins and doing daily exercise? Is
it because Tom Cruise supports this idea? is that the only reason why
you guys are against it?

I would rather keep up with my daily vitamins and doing exercise then
having a heavy volts of electricity reaching to my brain. ECT is very
cruel and it was once used to slaughtered pigs.
It isn't a form of therapy.

Reply from: Eldon
Date: 13 May, 21:54
On May 13, 9:40 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 3:27 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 9:20 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
>
> > > Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> > > therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> > > depression.
>
> > > The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> > > last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> > > passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> > > used more than 15,000 times in the country.
>
> > Yes, it's used (or perhaps overused) because it alleviates the
> > symptoms of major clinical depression.
>
> > WTF do you have to offer as an alternative? Vitamins and exercise?
> > Maybe Dr. Cruise can help you formulate your diagnosis.
>
> > > The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> > > showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> > > For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-therapy...
>
> To be honest with you if people would drop the Mcdonalds burgers and
> other fattening foods and start taking better care of their health,
> maybe they would feel a lot better both mentally and physically. Have
> you ever took the time to watch "Super size me"? If not then I suggest
> you go and rent this movie and maybe you can have some insights.
>
> Why do you protest about taking vitamins and doing daily exercise? Is
> it because Tom Cruise supports this idea? is that the only reason why
> you guys are against it?

I'm not protesting. I take vitamins and try to get some exercise
frequently. But that will not prevent clinical depression. Most of the
time, depression can be alleviated with a course of modern "psych
drugs," though -- which your fucked up pseudo church also rails
against in an effort to derail legitimate and proven remedies.
>
> I would rather keep up with my daily vitamins and doing exercise then
> having a heavy volts of electricity reaching to my brain. ECT is very
> cruel and it was once used to slaughtered pigs.
> It isn't a form of therapy.

Bullshit.


Reply from: redcoat1982@gmail.com
Date: 13 May, 22:55
On May 13, 12:20 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> depression.
>
> The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> used more than 15,000 times in the country.
>
> The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-t=
herapy...

It works, get over it.


Electroshock Therapy Gets a Makeover
Despite Changes, ECT Still Stirs Controversy
By SIBILE MORENCY
July 20, 2007

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Amy, a New York resident, had her first electroshock treatment at the
age of 72 =85 and despite the stigma that electroshock is a brutal,
outdated procedure for treating psychiatric health, she said it's been
a miracle for her.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
In "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest," ECT is depicted as a jarring,
cruel procedure.
(United Artists)

And it's probably more common than most people believe.

"I started 10 years ago when I was very depressed. I was diagnosed as
bipolar. I took medicine -- Prozac, a whole slew of them -- but they
didn't help," she said. "Then a psychiatrist told one of my friends
that I should have ECT. My friends told me to get ECT. It was the only
solution, I couldn't go on the way I was. After ECT, everyone told me
it was a miracle."

Amy, who asked that her last name not be used, is now 82 and continues
to receive electroshock therapy regularly.

Although she admits that after each procedure she has a headache and
her memory is temporarily "a little bit off," she insists that ECT has
been a success for her.

"I know there's a lot of negative. I think it's a rather painless
procedure. It's wonderful," she said. "If medicine doesn't work, then
yes, I would recommend it to someone else."

The New Face of ECT

Since its terrifying depiction in the movie "One Flew Over the
Cuckoo's Nest," electroshock, or electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) has
changed dramatically. According to doctors who use it, the
administration of the anesthetic, changes in the type of electricity
used and the way seizures are triggered have transformed the
procedure, making it safer and more effective.

The latest clinically available form of ECT, called ultrabrief pulse
unilateral, uses a briefer stimulus that lasts for .25 to .3
milliseconds, according to Dr. Sarah Lisanby at the New York State
Psychiatric Institute. The difference in the type of electricity used
allows doctors to induce seizures with lower amounts of electricity
then was previously possible.

"It does away with lifelong memory loss," said Dr. Harold Sackheim, a
leading proponent of ECT and chief of the department of biological
psychiatry at the New York State Psychiatric Institute. "If there is
any memory loss, it's markedly reduced."

ECT Not Uncommon

Although there are no national reporting requirements for the number
of procedures performed, experts estimate that approximately 100,000
patients a year in the United States and several million worldwide
receive ECT. According to Dr. Mustafa Husain, the director of the
Geriatric Psychiatry Training Program at the University of Texas
Southwestern Medical Center, the newer version of ECT is becoming the
standard in practice, particularly at academic medical centers and
clinics due to its relatively low amount of adverse effects on the
brain.

"We started the new ECT almost a year ago. All of our equipment is now
ultrabrief pulse," he said.

Reply from: Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Date: 14 May, 07:59
On 13 Maj, 21:20, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> depression.
>
> The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> used more than 15,000 times in the country.
>
> The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-therapy...

Science on ECT - Electro CONVULSIVE ( no shocking ) Therapy

SCIENTIFIC STUDIES ON ECT TREATMENT
- - - - The truths of religion are never so well understood as by
those who
have lost their power of reasoning.
[Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764] - - - -
J ECT. 2004 Dec;20(4):237-41.
Morbidity and mortality in the use of electroconvulsive therapy.
Nuttall GA, Bowersox MR, Douglass SB, McDonald J, Rasmussen LJ,
Decker
PA, Oliver WC Jr, Rasmussen KG.
Department of Anesthesiology, Mayo Clinic College of Medicine, Mayo
Clinic College of Medicine, Rochester, Minnesota, USA.
There are a few large studies of the morbidity and mortality of
electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). To add data to this literature, we
performed a retrospective review of all the patients who underwent
ECT
at our institution between January 1, 1988, through December 31,
2001.
We identified 2,279 patients who were given 17,394 ECT treatments
during their first series. The median number of treatments received
per
patient was 7. Twenty-one patients (0.92%) experienced a complication
at some time during their first series of ECT treatments. Cardiac
complications, mostly arrhythmias, constituted the majority. However,
none of the complications caused permanent injury, and none of the
patients died during or immediately after ECT. There were 18 deaths
within 30 days of the final treatment, none related to ECT. These
data
are concordant with those of other published large series, and we
conclude that ECT is an extremely safe procedure.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
J ECT. 2005 Sep;21(3):171-3.
Successful maintenance electroconvulsive therapy for more than seven
years.
Wijkstra J, Nolen WA.
Department of Psychiatry, Rudolf Magnus Institute of
Neuroscience,
University Medical Center Utrecht, Utrecht, The Netherlands.
j.wijks...@azu.nl
We report on a patient with recurrent major depressive episodes
with psychotic features who was successfully treated with maintenance
electroconvulsive treatment (M-ECT) over a long period without the
need
for concurrent treatment with an antidepressant or mood stabilizer.
She
started ECT in 1996 and has received M-ECT for more than 7 years. To
date (2005), she has received 244 treatments. After 5 admissions in
nearly 4 years, involving 29 months in hospital, she has not needed
any
further psychiatric admission for 7 1/2 years since the start of the
M-ECT. Her depression has been in complete remission for nearly 6
years, with the exception of one mild-to-moderate nonpsychotic
depressive episode lasting for 2 months. The patient exhibited slight
cognitive deficits but had no subjective complaints before ECT, and
her
cognitive deficits did not worsen after the initial ECT. Thus M-ECT
does not appear to cause cognitive deterioration. M-ECT is being
continued on the patient's request.
Publication Types:
* Case Reports
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
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1: J ECT. 2005 Sep;21(3):139-44.
ECT practice in Japan.
Chanpattana W, Kojima K, Kramer BA, Intakorn A, Sasaki S,
Kitphati
R.
Department of Psychiatry, Bangkok Hospital, Bangkok, Thailand.
w...@loxinfo.co.th
OBJECTIVES: We sought to determine the characteristics of
electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) practice in Japan. Only by knowing
practice patterns can standards of care be successfully developed and
implemented. METHODS: From September 1, 2001, to August 31, 2003, a
questionnaire was sent to 248 institutions. RESULTS: A total of 100
institutions (40.3%) completed the questionnaire. ECT was available
in
83 institutions. A total of 1,210 patients received 11,146 ECTs from
895 psychiatrists. Brief-pulse device was used in 21 institutions.
EEG
monitoring was used routinely in 15 institutions. Bilateral ECT was
always used. Patients who received ECT were diagnosed schizophrenia
(48.9%), major depression (37.4%), catatonia (6.8%), mania (4.4%),
and
dysthymia (0.8%). The majority of patients who received ECT were in
the
age group 45-64 years (40.4%) and 65 years and older (39.3%). A total
of 670 patients received a total of 6364 unmodified ECT at 60
institutions. There were no ECT-related deaths during the survey.
CONCLUSION: ECT use in Japan is low. More than half of ECTs
instituted
were unmodified. The majority of patients who received ECT were
diagnosed with schizophrenia and major depression.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
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J ECT. 2005 Jun;21(2):100-4.
* J ECT. 2005 Dec;21(4):253-4.
Survey of the practice of electroconvulsive therapy in teaching
hospitals in India.
Chanpattana W, Kunigiri G, Kramer BA, Gangadhar BN.
Department of Psychiatry, Bangkok Hospital, Bangkok, Thailand.
OBJECTIVES: We sought to obtain an overview of electroconvulsive
therapy (ECT) practice in teaching hospitals in India. METHOD: From
September 1, 2001, to August 31, 2002, a 29-item questionnaire
enquiring about ECT practice during the past year was sent to 188
teaching institutions and psychiatric hospitals. RESULTS: Seventy-
four
institutions (39.4%) completed the questionnaire. ECT was available
in
66 institutions. A total of 19,632 patients received 114,111
instances
of ECT from 316 psychiatrists, of which 13,891 patients (70.8%)
received 89,475 treatments (78.4%) from 128 psychiatrists in the
psychiatric hospitals. The male-to-female ratio was 1.56 to 1.
Brief-pulse device was used in 39 institutions. EEG monitoring was
used
routinely in only 8 institutions. Bilateral ECT was used in almost
all
institutions. Patients with schizophrenia received ECT most
frequently
(36.5%), followed by patients with major depression (33.5%), mania
(17.9%), catatonia (6.2%), and dysthymia (2.8%). Patients who
received
ECT were in age group of 45-64 years (43.9%), followed by 25-44 years
(34.5%), 65 years and older (14.7%), 18-24 years (5.6%), and younger
than 18 years (1.4%). A total of 10,234 patients (52%) received
unmodified ECT 52,450 treatments (46%) at 33 institutions. There was
one case of ECT-related death during a survey. Continuation ECT was
performed in 29 institutions and maintenance ECT in 17. CONCLUSIONS:
More than 70% of ECT administrations in India were performed in the
psychiatric hospitals. Approximately half of ECT use was unmodified
ECT. The majority of patients who received ECT were diagnosed with
schizophrenia and major depression. ECT training programs for
psychiatry residents were acceptable.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
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1: Psychiatr Serv. 2001 Aug;52(8):1095-7.
An analysis of reported deaths following electroconvulsive
therapy
in Texas, 1993-1998.
Shiwach RS, Reid WH, Carmody TJ.
Department of Psychiatry, University of Texas Southwestern
Medical
Center, Dallas, USA. raj.shiw...@mhmr.state.tx.us
Since 1993, Texas law has required that all deaths that occur
within 14 days of electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) be reported to the
Texas Department of Mental Health and Mental Retardation. This study
attempted to differentiate deaths that may have been due to ECT or
the
associated anesthesia from those due to other causes. Among more than
8,000 patients who received 49,048 ECT treatments between 1993 and
1998, a total of 30 deaths were reported to the mental health
department between 1993 and 1998. Only one death, which occurred on
the
same day as the ECT, could be specifically linked to the associated
anesthesia. An additional four deaths could plausibly have been
associated with the anesthesia, for which the calculated mortality
rate
is between two and ten per 100,000, but probably not with the
stimulus
of the ECT or seizure. The mortality rate associated with ECT (less
than two per 100,000 treatments) in Texas is extremely low.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
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1: J Affect Disord. 2004 Nov 1;82(3):335-42.
Electroconvulsive therapy in adolescent and adult psychiatric
inpatients--a retrospective chart design.
Stein D, Kurtsman L, Stier S, Remnik Y, Meged S, Weizman A.
The Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel.
BACKGROUND: The knowledge available on electroconvulsive therapy
(ECT) in adolescents is largely anecdotal, or based on findings from
adults. The aim of the present study is to compare the use of ECT in
adolescent and adult inpatients. METHODS: We retrospectively analyzed
the files of all 36 adolescent (between the ages of 13 and 19) and 57
randomly selected adult inpatients (above the age of 20) treated with
ECT in a university-affiliated mental heath center in Israel between
1991 and 1997. RESULTS: Sixty one percent of the adolescents improved
by the end of treatment, and 53% were not hospitalized in the
subsequent year. The respective percentages among adults were 83% and
49%. Whereas most adults were treated with ECT because of
schizophrenic
disorders, almost half of the adolescents received ECT for affective
disorders. Significantly more adolescents were treated with ECT
because
of acute life-endangering conditions (catatonia or severe suicidal
risk). No significant adverse effects were found in both groups.
LIMITATIONS: Our study is based on a retrospective chart review. The
adolescent and adult groups are different in psychiatric morbidity,
diagnosis and outcome, have not been assessed in a blind manner, and
we
have not used standardized psychometric batteries for the evaluation
of
ECT-related memory disturbances. CONCLUSIONS: ECT may be an
effective,
well-tolerated and safe procedure in both adult and adolescent
inpatients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
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J ECT. 2004 Jun;20(2):94-8.
Electroconvulsive therapy practice in Thailand.
Chanpattana W, Kramer BA.
Department of Psychiatry, Bangkok Hospital, Thailand.
w...@loxinfo.co.th
OBJECTIVES: To obtain an overview of electroconvulsive therapy
(ECT) practice in Thailand. METHODS: Questionnaires were sent to all
institutions providing psychiatric care; data were collected from
September 1, 2001, to August 31, 2002. RESULTS: Fifty-three responses
were received from 67 institutions (79.1%). ECT is available in 26
hospitals. Approximately 6,914 patients received 51,565 ECT
treatments,
of which, 6,469 patients (93.56%) received 48,240 treatments (93.55%)
in the psychiatric hospitals. The ECT utilization rate was 11.15
patients treated per 100,000. Twelve institutions used MECTA
(Spectrum
or SR1) or Thymatron DGx. Bilateral ECT was used exclusively in all
institutions. In 2 medical schools, all patients received double ECT
throughout their treatment courses. Unmodified ECT was always used in
nine psychiatric hospitals and five general hospitals, and
occasionally
used in 2 university hospitals comprising 94.2% of all ECT usage.
Patients with schizophrenia most frequently received ECT (74%),
followed by mania (8%) and major depression (7%). The nurse alone
administered ECT in four psychiatric hospitals. Although the death
rate
was estimated at 0.08%, there was no ECT-related death during the
survey period. Continuation ECT was performed in 11 and maintenance
ECT
in 6 institutions. Five institutions had acceptable training programs
for psychiatry residents but none had training syllabus, 2
institutions
had teaching schedule for medical students. CONCLUSIONS: ECT use in
Thailand is high. Nearly all ECTs (93.6%) were performed in the
psychiatric hospital and 94.2% of all treatments were unmodified ECT.
Lacking of proper training in ECT is evident.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
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1: J ECT. 2003 Jun;19(2):98-102.
Electroconvulsive therapy in Hong Kong: rates of use,
indications,
and outcome.
Chung KF.
Department of Psychiatry, University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong SAR,
China. kfch...@hkucc.hku.hk
INTRODUCTION: There has been a concern about indiscriminate use
of
electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) in Asian countries. This study
examined
the rates of ECT use and the characteristics and outcomes of patients
treated with ECT in Hong Kong. METHOD: A central database of ECT
treatments was used to calculate annual rates of ECT use from 1997 to
2002. We surveyed prospectively patients received ECT over 12 months
by
a standardized questionnaire. RESULTS: The ECT utilization rates
varied
from 0.27 to 0.34 patients treated per 10,000 population and 1.34 to
1.88 patients treated per 100 inpatients discharged. There were
differences in the pattern of ECT use among Hong Kong, the United
States, and the United Kingdom. Only 15% of ECT recipients were 65
years old or older and 23% had schizophrenia as primary diagnosis for
ECT. Ninety-five percent of patients who received ECT improved with
the
treatment as assessed by clinicians. No severe complications and
deaths
occurred, and 6% stopped ECT due to undesirable results. CONCLUSION:
The rate of ECT use in Hong Kong continues to be below that in the
United States and the United Kingdom. Access to ECT is most limited
to
the elderly and private patients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...

Earlier posting with links to references:

http://tinyurl.com/3ta2fd

Ulf Brettstam,MD,Senior psychiatrist
(Child-and Youth Psychiatry and General Psychiatry)
Sweden

Reply from: anothersurfer999@hotmail.com
Date: 14 May, 08:08
On May 13, 12:20 pm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> depression.
>
> The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> used more than 15,000 times in the country.
>
> The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock-t=
herapy...

What does this have to do with scientology and the practice thereof?

Just wondering... do you have an agenda regarding scientology? Is
there some connection between being against electro-shock therapy and
scientology?

Thanks,

Another Surfer

Reply from: ThetansR4Cretins@gmail.com
Date: 14 May, 08:26


anothersurfer...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On May 13, 12:20=EF=BF=BDpm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> > Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> > therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> > depression.
> >
> > The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> > last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> > passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> > used more than 15,000 times in the country.
> >
> > The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> > showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
> >
> > For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electroshock=
-therapy...
>
> What does this have to do with scientology and the practice thereof?
>
> Just wondering... do you have an agenda regarding scientology? Is
> there some connection between being against electro-shock therapy and
> scientology?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Another Surfer

Oh yes, electroshock therapy and lobotomy are DAILY OCCURRENCES,
ordered by those EVIL PSYCHS, according to Scientology. They believe
that psychiatric drugs, EST, and lobotomies damage the thetan, the
immortal soul of the Scientologist.

They don't care that the consequences of withholding treatment might
be the death of the patient. L. Ron Hubbard even said so:

Science of Survival, L. Ron Hubbard, pg 117

"Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to
kill them
immediately and completely..."

Reply from: peterschilte@gmail.com
Date: 14 May, 10:52
On 14 mei, 08:26, ThetansR4Cret...@gmail.com wrote:
> anothersurfer...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On May 13, 12:20=EF=BF=BDpm, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
> > > Despite protests calling for a ban on the treatment, electroshock
> > > therapy is frequently used by Canadian psychiatrists to treat severe
> > > depression.
>
> > > The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) estimates that
> > > last year, the procedure, which dates back to 1938 and involves
> > > passing electrical currents though the brain to trigger seizures, was
> > > used more than 15,000 times in the country.
>
> > > The figure has remained virtually unchanged since 2002, CIHI says,
> > > showing that the popularity of the procedure remains strong.
>
> > > For more gohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/13/despite-criticism-electrosho=
ck-therapy...
>
> > What does this have to do with scientology and the practice thereof?
>
> > Just wondering... do you have an agenda regarding scientology? Is
> > there some connection between being against electro-shock therapy and
> > scientology?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Another Surfer
>
> Oh yes, electroshock therapy and lobotomy are DAILY OCCURRENCES,
> ordered by those EVIL PSYCHS, according to Scientology. They believe
> that psychiatric drugs, EST, and lobotomies damage the thetan, the
> immortal soul of the Scientologist.
>
> They don't care that the consequences of withholding treatment might
> be the death of the patient. L. Ron Hubbard even said so:
>
> Science of Survival, L. Ron Hubbard, pg 117
>
> "Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to
> kill them
> immediately and completely..."

Well, in the CULT they work on you to get rid of your so called
"reactive mind". I prefer to call it "instinct".
The main reason is to make it possible to sell the member the biggest
BS without raising red flags with the member. It is part of the
indoctrination and brainwashing to make the member gullible.
On the other hand, deactivating the "reactive mind" in fact is a
virtual lobotomy, as it shuts down one of the most important parts of
the human brain. The part that made the human race survive for
thousands of years.
The only party having any benefits by doing this is the CULT. It makes
it easier for them to extort more money from their members.

Peter

"After an in-depth examination, an Investigative
Commission titled "So-called Sects and Psycho-Groups" set up by the
German Bundestag
(Parliament) described the organization in its final report as an anti-
constitutional movement
with a criminogenic structure."

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