More about pain and shock

More about pain and shock

Hi:

I just thought I'd include this topic.

http :// www .mercksource,com /pp/us/cns/cns hl dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd n 09zPzhtm

"nociassociation = the unconscious discharge of nervous energy under
the stimulus of trauma, as in surgical shock."

This means a patient under general anesthesia can still experience
shock as a result of the nociception that results from the physical
injuries that occur during the surgery. Local anesthesia *must* be
used in all surgeries!!!!

Just because you aren't aware of the pain doesn't mean it isn't
significantly affecting your emotions and autonomic nervous system.

Pain can kill even if the victim doesn't feel it. While may not be
felt consciously, the unconscious still feels it. As a result,
excruciating pain can screw-up the nervous system enough to cause
shock -- and even death -- even if the victim is totally unconscious.

Even during the deepest coma, emotions -- such as fear -- can remain
active, its just that the patient isn't aware of it.

Hence, when a unconscious patient is operated on, the nociception
causes pain just as it would in a conscious individual. This pain
causes tremendous emotional distress. The emotional distress causes
neurogenic shock, even though the patient is not aware of -- and does
not consciously feel -- the distress or the pain.

These psychoneurophysiological effects of nociception can cause a
potentially-fatal shock reaction even if:
1. There is minimal or no bleeding
2. No infection occurs
3. The patient isn't aware of the pain or emotional distress cause by
the pain
4. There is no injury to any vital organ[s]

This shock is call nociassociation and cannot be prevented even by the
most powerful general anesthetics or sedatives put together.

My point is that inducing unconsciousness might prevent the surgery-
patient from consciously-perceiving the suffering caused by his/her
injuries but this does not prevent the subconscious elements of the
nervous system from feeling the agony. The subconscious parts of the
nervous system -- which are concerned with emotions and regulate the
circulatory system -- can still feel the intense emotional suffering
caused by the nociception. The extreme emotional distress caused by
the severe pain results in neurogenic shock. Nociassociative
neurogenic shock is marked by the following extreme changes in the
circulatory system:

1. Force of the heart muscles' contractions decrease significantly
2. Heart rate decreases dramatically.
3. General increase in the heart muscles' relaxability
4. Blood vessels throughout the body widen to total dilation

The above 4 conspire to cause a lethal drop in blood pressure. As a
result, vital organs are deprived of blood leading to multiple-organ-
failure. This can rapidly kill the patient.

This means, the subconscious parts of the nervous system must somehow
be temporarily disconnected from pain perception prior to and during
the surgical operation.

In order for the surgery not to result in a likely-fatal
nociassociation, the patient's entire autonomic nervous system [and
their effectors], limbic system [emotion], his/her heart's natural
pacemaker, smooth muscles, reflexes [all types; including reflexes not
involved with the autonomic nervous system], endocrine and hormonal
systems must be rendered totally unresponsive to the infliction of
even the most excruciating pain and totally unresponsive to any type
of injury.

The best way to do this is to locally-anesthetize all sensory-
receptors and sensory nerves at the site of the operation before the
surgery and make sure they are completely numb throughout the surgery
and for at least 15 minutes after the surgery is complete. After 15
minutes the sensory-receptors and sensory nerves at the affected site
should be allowed to *gradually* resume activity. It should take at
least an additional hour for these sensory receptors and nerves to
regain complete "wakefuleness". This will prevent the root-cause of
nociassociation.

Note: nociassociation is one of the major reasons that martial-arts
relies on pain-sensitive areas of the body as targets. This is how a
punch to the solar plexus can kill.

Any questions/comments are welcome


Thanks,

Radium

Re: More about pain and shock

I will take an unproper example here.
You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
pain, but pain could be aroused.

Re: More about pain and shock

ytf0707@gmail,com wrote:
> I will take an unproper example here.
> You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
> happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
> This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
> pain, but pain could be aroused.

"and you got sex"

ROFL!

--
Notan

Re: More about pain and shock

On 2=D4=C213=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E73=CA=B159=B7=D6, Notan <notan@ddressthatcan=
bespammed> wrote:
> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
> > I will take an unproper example here.
> > You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
> > happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
> > This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
> > pain, but pain could be aroused.
>
> "and you got sex"
>
> ROFL!
>
> --
> Notan

Hey~~what's ROFL?

Re: More about pain and shock

On 2=D4=C213=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E73=CA=B159=B7=D6, Notan <notan@ddressthatcan=
bespammed> wrote:
> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
> > I will take an unproper example here.
> > You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
> > happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
> > This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
> > pain, but pain could be aroused.
>
> "and you got sex"
>
> ROFL!
>
> --
> Notan

you mean that virus?
rofl.sys ?

Re: More about pain and shock

On 2=D4=C213=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E73=CA=B159=B7=D6, Notan <notan@ddressthatcan=
bespammed> wrote:
> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
> > I will take an unproper example here.
> > You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
> > happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
> > This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
> > pain, but pain could be aroused.
>
> "and you got sex"
>
> ROFL!
>
> --
> Notan

Now I got it...you mean laugh..

Re: More about pain and shock

ytf0707@gmail,com wrote:
> On 2ÔÂ13ÈÕ, ÉÏÎç3ʱ59·Ö, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
>>> I will take an unproper example here.
>>> You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
>>> happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
>>> This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
>>> pain, but pain could be aroused.
>> "and you got sex"
>>
>> ROFL!
>>
>> --
>> Notan
>
> Now I got it...you mean laugh..

Now you got it! (ROFL = Rolling on the floor, laughing)

It was just your wording... Most people *have* sex!

--
Notan

Re: More about pain and shock

On 2=D4=C213=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E74=CA=B116=B7=D6, Notan <notan@ddressthatcan=
bespammed> wrote:
> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
> > On 2=D4=C213=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E73=CA=B159=B7=D6, Notan <notan@ddresstha=
tcanbespammed> wrote:
> >> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
> >>> I will take an unproper example here.
> >>> You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
> >>> happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
> >>> This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
> >>> pain, but pain could be aroused.
> >> "and you got sex"
>
> >> ROFL!
>
> >> --
> >> Notan
>
> > Now I got it...you mean laugh..
>
> Now you got it! (ROFL =3D Rolling on the floor, laughing)
>
> It was just your wording... Most people *have* sex!
>
> --
> Notan- =D2=FE=B2=D8=B1=BB=D2=FD=D3=C3=CE=C4=D7=D6 -
>
> - =CF=D4=CA=BE=D2=FD=D3=C3=B5=C4=CE=C4=D7=D6 -


I mean, experience might imply another way of feeling-another way of
pain, ok?

Re: More about pain and shock

On 2=D4=C213=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E73=CA=B159=B7=D6, Notan <notan@ddressthatcan=
bespammed> wrote:
> ytf0...@gmail,com wrote:
> > I will take an unproper example here.
> > You were drunk, and you got sex after that. You do not know what
> > happened then, but with sex experiences you know you have done that.
> > This indicates that there is another pathway for feeling, even not
> > pain, but pain could be aroused.
>
> "and you got sex"
>
> ROFL!
>
> --
> Notan

Sorry but I think it's similar ?

Re: More about pain and shock

general aneasthesia stops all signals from the nerve endings from
reaching the brain where the anaesthesia is introduced. done
correctly, all signal, pain, heat, touch etc. is blocked. while the
local aneasthesia you are talking about only stops the signal at the
emmediate area. if your in the right mind you'll understand what each
is used for.

the only way a person may percieve the pain unconciously is if the
aneasthesia is given improperly or have been totally forgotten and
some sleeping agent is active. many clinical operation have been this
case and the person felt all pain but could not wakeup or move to tell
the doctors about it.

many have lived to tell of it, but it is possible that many in fear,
succumed to heart attack.

a punch to the solar plexus will kill if you time it perfectly as the
person exhales. thus there is no reserve oxygen in the lungs and
because the person could not breath for several seconds, the "fear"
and oxygen deprivation can induce heart attack and death.

you have you thoughts turned around. dont go ooohh and aaaahhh about
crazy scientific terms and explanation that go nowhere. life and its
system may be really complex but there is simplicity in their
function.

reading these crazy articles does not make you wise. but leads you
farther away from the truth.

martial art kills only for two reasons. because one is an expert, or
one is ignorant.

Re: More about pain and shock

On Feb 13, 5:49 am, "wallen" <wall...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> general aneasthesia stops all signals from the nerve endings from
> reaching the brain where the anaesthesia is introduced. done
> correctly, all signal, pain, heat, touch etc. is blocked. while the
> local aneasthesia you are talking about only stops the signal at the
> emmediate area. if your in the right mind you'll understand what each
> is used for.
>
> the only way a person may percieve the pain unconciously is if the
> aneasthesia is given improperly or have been totally forgotten and
> some sleeping agent is active.

General anesthesia usually involves giving a barbituate -- or other
CNS depressant -- which acts directly on the reticular formation and
causes unconsciousness. The loss of consciousness has no mitigating
effect on the limbic system or its connections with circulatory
functions.

If general anesthesia acted on the peripheral tactile nerve-endings
and put them in a relaxed state, then nociassociation would be
something of no concern. However, general anesthesia acts only on the
central nervous system and decreases consciousness. Hence, tactile
nerves and the limbic system are just as vulnerable during general
anesthesia, as they would be, without anesthesia. General anesthesia
prevents conscious awareness of the pain -- and emotional distress
caused by the pain. However, it does not mitigate the pain or
emotional trauma itself. Hence, neurocirculatory functions are not
protected from the pain or the resulting unconscious mental distress.
During coma, the pain -- caused by the surgical injuries -- causes the
unconscious mind to badly "want" to escape the inescapable. The
unconscious psyche is extremely desperate to flee the painful
situation. This causes extreme amounts of stress on the limbic system
-- which is so closely connected to the neural control of circulatory
functions. As a result, the autonomic nervous system is bombarded by
signals from the limbic system and causes the muscles of the
circulatory system to relax -- leading to bradycardia and
vasodilation. This results in a severe drop in blood pressure,
starving vital organs of the blood the need.