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A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

Reply from: Radium
Date: 15 Feb 2007, 21:00
A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

Hi:

I would like to add this topic on execution. I think a-delta
excitation is the most civilized form of execution.

A-delta nerve endings in executionee's stomach are stimulated by a
large number of extremely low-voltage nanobots [around the same
voltage used by neurons and receptors themselves --thereby preventing
any electroporation, increase in temperature, irritation,
inflammation, or immune response] ; this process does not cause any
actual direct injury. The nanoelectrodes are of the exact correct size
and shape to "fit" the a-delta nerve endings present inside the
stomach. The amount [number per area] and intensity [extent of
depolarization] of a-delta excitation is just small enough there is no
amount of damage/injury to those nerves or any sensory overload at
all. The death results from the neurocirculatory effects of
excruciating sharp gastric pain. Death can ensue in less than 10
seconds due to neurogenic shock caused by the sharp pain. There is no
actual mechanical injury to the body -- at all -- but the pain itself
does the execution by dangerously-altering the signals of the
circulatory nervous system.

No mechanical injury, no bleeding, no burning, no dehydration, no
infection. Just A-delta induced shock.

A-delta induced shock results in the following:

1. Force of the heart muscles' contractions decrease significantly [no
pulse/heartbeat can be felt; EKG needed to detect heartbeat]
2. Heart rate decreases dramatically [heart rate drops to around 20
beats per minute in approximately 5 seconds]
3. General increase in the heart muscles' relaxability
4. Blood vessels throughout the body widen to total dilation

The above 4 alone are lethal due to the extent at which they occur --
causing a dangerous drop in blood pressure. Put together, the
resulting hypotension means certain death. Vital organs are deprived
of blood leading to multiple-organ-failure. This can rapidly kill the
individual.

NOTE: While this a-delta stimulation may seem inhumane, it really
isn't, because the executionee will pass out in around 3 seconds due
to extreme hypotension. Therefore the perception of pain doesn't last
long enough to cause the executionee any suffering. In addition,
massive a-delta excitation causes the brain to release lots of
endorphins -- this is why seriously-injured individuals enter a state
where they are numb to pain and seem relaxed.

A-delta-fiber nociception far more likely to cause shock than C-fiber
nociception of the same intensity because A-delta nociception results
in sharp "pulling, "stabbing" or "cracking" pain [such as an injury to
the periosteum of the sternum] whereas C-fiber nociception results in
a more dull, irritating, itching/aching sort of pain [such as a
mosquito bite].

C-fiber nociception rarely -- if ever -- causes shock.

The sensation induced by A-delta fiber stimulation would have a much
greater affect on neurocirculatory reflexes than that of C-fiber
stimulation of the same amount and intensity.

http :// courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm

Quotes from the above site:

"An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or temperature
stimuli in the painful realm and produces the acute sensation of
sharp, bright pain."

"By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of painful
stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or metabolic factors. The pain
produced is slow, burning, and long lasting."

Any questions/comments are welcome


Thanks,

Radium


Reply from: Fraser Johnston
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 01:30
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution


"Radium" <glucegen1@excite,com > wrote in message
news:1171569650.050353.155240@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi:
>
> I would like to add this topic on execution. I think a-delta
> excitation is the most civilized form of execution.
>
> A-delta nerve endings in executionee's stomach are stimulated by a
> large number of extremely low-voltage nanobots [around the same
> voltage used by neurons and receptors themselves --thereby preventing
> any electroporation, increase in temperature, irritation,
> inflammation, or immune response] ; this process does not cause any
> actual direct injury. The nanoelectrodes are of the exact correct size
> and shape to "fit" the a-delta nerve endings present inside the
> stomach. The amount [number per area] and intensity [extent of
> depolarization] of a-delta excitation is just small enough there is no
> amount of damage/injury to those nerves or any sensory overload at
> all. The death results from the neurocirculatory effects of
> excruciating sharp gastric pain. Death can ensue in less than 10
> seconds due to neurogenic shock caused by the sharp pain. There is no
> actual mechanical injury to the body -- at all -- but the pain itself
> does the execution by dangerously-altering the signals of the
> circulatory nervous system.
>
> No mechanical injury, no bleeding, no burning, no dehydration, no
> infection. Just A-delta induced shock.
>
> A-delta induced shock results in the following:
>
> 1. Force of the heart muscles' contractions decrease significantly [no
> pulse/heartbeat can be felt; EKG needed to detect heartbeat]
> 2. Heart rate decreases dramatically [heart rate drops to around 20
> beats per minute in approximately 5 seconds]
> 3. General increase in the heart muscles' relaxability
> 4. Blood vessels throughout the body widen to total dilation
>
> The above 4 alone are lethal due to the extent at which they occur --
> causing a dangerous drop in blood pressure. Put together, the
> resulting hypotension means certain death. Vital organs are deprived
> of blood leading to multiple-organ-failure. This can rapidly kill the
> individual.
>
> NOTE: While this a-delta stimulation may seem inhumane, it really
> isn't, because the executionee will pass out in around 3 seconds due
> to extreme hypotension. Therefore the perception of pain doesn't last
> long enough to cause the executionee any suffering. In addition,
> massive a-delta excitation causes the brain to release lots of
> endorphins -- this is why seriously-injured individuals enter a state
> where they are numb to pain and seem relaxed.
>
> A-delta-fiber nociception far more likely to cause shock than C-fiber
> nociception of the same intensity because A-delta nociception results
> in sharp "pulling, "stabbing" or "cracking" pain [such as an injury to
> the periosteum of the sternum] whereas C-fiber nociception results in
> a more dull, irritating, itching/aching sort of pain [such as a
> mosquito bite].
>
> C-fiber nociception rarely -- if ever -- causes shock.
>
> The sensation induced by A-delta fiber stimulation would have a much
> greater affect on neurocirculatory reflexes than that of C-fiber
> stimulation of the same amount and intensity.
>
> http :// courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
>
> Quotes from the above site:
>
> "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or temperature
> stimuli in the painful realm and produces the acute sensation of
> sharp, bright pain."
>
> "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of painful
> stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or metabolic factors. The pain
> produced is slow, burning, and long lasting."
>
> Any questions/comments are welcome

I'm more of a firing squad guy myself.

Fraser



Reply from: Mike
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 02:03
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

Nanobots?

-Mike K.


Reply from: Radium
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 02:11
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 5:03 pm, "Mike" <mkorn...@nd.edu> wrote:
> Nanobots?
>
> -Mike K.

Yes. Shock-delivering nanobots.


Reply from: Mike
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 02:16
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

> > Nanobots?
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> Yes. Shock-delivering nanobots.

I've never seen that episode of Star Trek. Voyager? or Deep Space
Nine? Maybe one of the others?
-Mike K.



Reply from: Scary
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 03:05
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 12:11 pm, "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote:
> On Feb 15, 5:03 pm, "Mike" <mkorn...@nd.edu> wrote:
>
> > Nanobots?
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> Yes. Shock-delivering nanobots.

Isn't that rather an elaborate way to kill someone? And expensive!
One would think a bullet to the back of the head would be quite quick
enough.
Anyway isn't the ideal of nanobots that they be used to heal people.

Scary.


Reply from: r norman
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 03:23
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On 15 Feb 2007 18:05:38 -0800, "Scary" <modelmakers@msn,com > wrote:

>On Feb 16, 12:11 pm, "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote:
>> On Feb 15, 5:03 pm, "Mike" <mkorn...@nd.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Nanobots?
>>
>> > -Mike K.
>>
>> Yes. Shock-delivering nanobots.
>
>Isn't that rather an elaborate way to kill someone? And expensive!
>One would think a bullet to the back of the head would be quite quick
>enough.
>Anyway isn't the ideal of nanobots that they be used to heal people.
>

That would fail to satisfy Radium's obsession with the notion that
excruciating pain can cause death. Somehow the notion that
stimulating pain pathways is civilized and non-barbaric strikes me
as about the most uncivilized and barbaric idea I have seen .


Reply from: Radium
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 03:32
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 6:23 pm, r norman <r s norman@ comcast,net > wrote:
> Somehow the notion that
> stimulating pain pathways is civilized and non-barbaric strikes me
> as about the most uncivilized and barbaric idea I have seen .

There is a catch. The massive A-delta excitation does not cause
suffering because, the brain reacts by flooding the body with
endorphins. In addition, due to the resulting neurogenic shock, blood
pressure falls so intensely and so rapidly, that the executionee will
faint before any pain can be felt.



Reply from: Radium
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 03:33
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 6:05 pm, "Scary" <modelmak...@msn,com > wrote:

> Isn't that rather an elaborate way to kill someone? And expensive!
> One would think a bullet to the back of the head would be quite quick
> enough.

A shot to the skull is boring and there is too much mess. Moreover
there are many cases of headshot victims surviving and regain
consciousness only to live paralyzed, blind, deaf, and with major
headaches.

> Anyway isn't the ideal of nanobots that they be used to heal people.

And to give clean, quick, bloodless, interesting execution via extreme
gastric a-delta excitation. The A-delta-induced neurogenic shock has
99.9999999999999999% chance of executing the executionee. Its
*extremely* unlikely that anyone -- even those 'immune' to pain --
would survive such sharp nociception.

Prior to giving the shock, tiny needles [carry the electric nanobots]
are inserted into the abdomen until they reach the the stomach. The
nanobots they attach to the A-delta fibers supply the stomach. Then
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELECTRIC
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then suddenly, death


Reply from: Fraser Johnston
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 03:43
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution


"Radium" <glucegen1@excite,com > wrote in message
news:1171593199.260550.102990@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...
> On Feb 15, 6:05 pm, "Scary" <modelmak...@msn,com > wrote:
>
>> Isn't that rather an elaborate way to kill someone? And expensive!
>> One would think a bullet to the back of the head would be quite quick
>> enough.
>
> A shot to the skull is boring and there is too much mess. Moreover
> there are many cases of headshot victims surviving and regain
> consciousness only to live paralyzed, blind, deaf, and with major
> headaches.
>
>> Anyway isn't the ideal of nanobots that they be used to heal people.
>
> And to give clean, quick, bloodless, interesting execution via extreme
> gastric a-delta excitation. The A-delta-induced neurogenic shock has
> 99.9999999999999999% chance of executing the executionee. Its
> *extremely* unlikely that anyone -- even those 'immune' to pain --
> would survive such sharp nociception.
>
> Prior to giving the shock, tiny needles [carry the electric nanobots]
> are inserted into the abdomen until they reach the the stomach. The
> nanobots they attach to the A-delta fibers supply the stomach. Then
> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELECTRIC
> SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Then suddenly, death

I know you are a nutcase but I'll indulge you anyway. How much do you think
this would cost to develop? Advantages over leathal injection?

Fraser




Reply from: Radium
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 03:55
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 6:43 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis,com .au> wrote:

> Advantages over leathal injection?

Lethal injection is painful due to the burning sensation caused by KCl
and the suffocation caused by the muscle-relaxant. The agent which
causes unconsciousness may not always be effective because the
executionee may have a tolerance to the dosage. There may also be
other variables making the lethal injection a slow and painful death.

A-delta excitation, OTOH, is torture-free.


Reply from: caterbro@my-deja,com
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 15:23
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 9:55 pm, "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote:
> On Feb 15, 6:43 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis,com .au> wrote:
>
> > Advantages over leathal injection?
>
> Lethal injection is painful due to the burning sensation caused by KCl
> and the suffocation caused by the muscle-relaxant. The agent which
> causes unconsciousness may not always be effective because the
> executionee may have a tolerance to the dosage. There may also be
> other variables making the lethal injection a slow and painful death.
>
> A-delta excitation, OTOH, is torture-free.

sounds awful to me- gut wrenching pains, heartrate slowing
drastically, dilation of the bloodvessels- that's pretty goddamned
painful. also, you're not passing out in three seconds from
hypotension. maybe three seconds after full dilation of every major
vein, but that could take a minute. also, the pain from that, along
with the extreme panic and disorientation would be beyond words.

all you've come up with is a fancy, mostly implausible, jargon-loaded
version of lethal injection.

hanging is the most humane way to murder someone we've ever come up
with. unconciousness is instant, death, painless and sure.

carl


Reply from: Radium
Date: 16 Feb 2007, 17:18
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 6:23 am, cater...@my-deja,com wrote:
> sounds awful to me- gut wrenching pains, heartrate slowing
> drastically, dilation of the bloodvessels- that's pretty goddamned
> painful. also, you're not passing out in three seconds from
> hypotension. maybe three seconds after full dilation of every major
> vein, but that could take a minute. also, the pain from that, along
> with the extreme panic and disorientation would be beyond words.

Even if you don't faint in 3 seconds, the endorphins caused by the
stress of a-delta excitation would surely numb you to the pain -- this
is why plane crash survivors [and other victims of serious injuries]
usually don't immediately feel any pain. The massive a-delta
stimulation resulting from the trauma signals the brain to flood the
body with endorphins. My massive a-delta excitation would simulate
such trauma without causing any actual injury.


Reply from: caterbro@my-deja,com
Date: 17 Feb 2007, 00:34
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 11:18 am, "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 6:23 am, cater...@my-deja,com wrote:
>
> > sounds awful to me- gut wrenching pains, heartrate slowing
> > drastically, dilation of the bloodvessels- that's pretty goddamned
> > painful. also, you're not passing out in three seconds from
> > hypotension. maybe three seconds after full dilation of every major
> > vein, but that could take a minute. also, the pain from that, along
> > with the extreme panic and disorientation would be beyond words.
>
> Even if you don't faint in 3 seconds, the endorphins caused by the
> stress of a-delta excitation would surely numb you to the pain -- this
> is why plane crash survivors [and other victims of serious injuries]
> usually don't immediately feel any pain.

thta's a blatant supposition based on irrelevant evidence - affirming
the consequent. i'm going to make a safe bet that you're going zap
striaght into begging the question; essentially, that's you've been
doing all along anyway...

>The massive a-delta
> stimulation resulting from the trauma signals the brain to flood the
> body with endorphins. My massive a-delta excitation would simulate
> such trauma without causing any actual injury.

oh, look, begging the question! amazing me.

still can't beat hanging.

carl




Reply from: Radium
Date: 22 Feb 2007, 03:17
Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 8:18 am, "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 6:23 am, cater...@my-deja,com wrote:
>
> > sounds awful to me- gut wrenching pains, heartrate slowing
> > drastically, dilation of the bloodvessels- that's pretty goddamned
> > painful. also, you're not passing out in three seconds from
> > hypotension. maybe three seconds after full dilation of every major
> > vein, but that could take a minute. also, the pain from that, along
> > with the extreme panic and disorientation would be beyond words.
>
> Even if you don't faint in 3 seconds, the endorphins caused by the
> stress of a-delta excitation would surely numb you to the pain -- this
> is why plane crash survivors [and other victims of serious injuries]
> usually don't immediately feel any pain. The massive a-delta
> stimulation resulting from the trauma signals the brain to flood the
> body with endorphins. My massive a-delta excitation would simulate
> such trauma without causing any actual injury.


Along with the endorphins and hypotension, the a-delta excitation can
cause ACUTE psychological trauma. Due to this, the executionee won't
feel the pain, even if the hypotension and endorphins don't kick in.
This is because extreme mental trauma causes blackouts even if no
mechanical trauma has occur. Such blackouts are common in war
veterans, prisoners, victims of natural disasters, those who have lost
a loved one, witnessing a tragedy, as well as those subjected to
childhood abuse or molestation. These blackouts are common even in the
complete absence of bleeding, head-injuries, seizures, endorphins, or
circulatory disturbances. The brain automatically prevents the
traumatized individual from consciously perceiving the emotional
agony. Its a protective mechanism for the psyche.




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