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relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
this
for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
up with.
Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
thought.
Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
important to one's need.
So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
is
said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
directions, depending on intelligence.
People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
incoming
stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
creativity and ability to learn.
On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
perception.'
With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
insignificant.
"I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
stood for."
The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
talk to
anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
wisdom.
And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
very depressed and
feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
of
the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
explode.
The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
being.
My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
all. Is my fear rational?
What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
more stable as I grow older.
any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
patterns?
PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
diagnosis?
My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
this
for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
up with.
Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
thought.
Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
important to one's need.
So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
is
said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
directions, depending on intelligence.
People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
incoming
stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
creativity and ability to learn.
On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
perception.'
With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
insignificant.
"I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
stood for."
The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
talk to
anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
wisdom.
And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
very depressed and
feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
of
the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
explode.
The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
being.
My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
all. Is my fear rational?
What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
more stable as I grow older.
any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
patterns?
PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
diagnosis?
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
Hi Chad,
Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
something else. There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
people can do on their own. In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
problematic, and self-treatment even more so. If you are really
struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
shrinks -- unless of course you want to). They may be able to tell
you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
"adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
any.
Good luck!
Yan
Hi Chad,
Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
something else. There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
people can do on their own. In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
problematic, and self-treatment even more so. If you are really
struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
shrinks -- unless of course you want to). They may be able to tell
you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
"adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
any.
Good luck!
Yan
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
<yanleykin@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:1171855631.890665.10630@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi Chad,
>
> Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
> to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
> something else. There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
> people can do on their own. In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
> problematic, and self-treatment even more so. If you are really
> struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
> a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
> father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
> shrinks -- unless of course you want to). They may be able to tell
> you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
> "adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
> any.
>
> Good luck!
> Yan
>
I would agree with Yan. Self diagnosis and treatment are not a good idea and
can lead to additional problems. It is probably a good idea to seek
professional help.
<yanleykin@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:1171855631.890665.10630@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi Chad,
>
> Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
> to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
> something else. There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
> people can do on their own. In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
> problematic, and self-treatment even more so. If you are really
> struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
> a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
> father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
> shrinks -- unless of course you want to). They may be able to tell
> you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
> "adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
> any.
>
> Good luck!
> Yan
>
I would agree with Yan. Self diagnosis and treatment are not a good idea and
can lead to additional problems. It is probably a good idea to seek
professional help.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
On Feb 19, 5:53=EF=BF=BDam, "Dr. Wayne Simon" <wayne.si...@comcast,net > wro=
te:
> <yanley...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1171855631.890665.10630@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Chad,
>
> > Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
> > to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
> > something else. =A0There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
> > people can do on their own. =A0In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
> > problematic, and self-treatment even more so. =A0If you are really
> > struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
> > a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
> > father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
> > shrinks -- unless of course you want to). =A0They may be able to tell
> > you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
> > "adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
> > any.
>
> > Good luck!
> > Yan
>
> I would agree with Yan. Self diagnosis and treatment are not a good idea =
and
> can lead to additional problems. =A0It is probably a good idea to seek
> professional help.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Professional quackery.
On Feb 19, 5:53=EF=BF=BDam, "Dr. Wayne Simon" <wayne.si...@comcast,net > wro=
te:
> <yanley...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1171855631.890665.10630@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Chad,
>
> > Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
> > to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
> > something else. =A0There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
> > people can do on their own. =A0In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
> > problematic, and self-treatment even more so. =A0If you are really
> > struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
> > a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
> > father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
> > shrinks -- unless of course you want to). =A0They may be able to tell
> > you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
> > "adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
> > any.
>
> > Good luck!
> > Yan
>
> I would agree with Yan. Self diagnosis and treatment are not a good idea =
and
> can lead to additional problems. =A0It is probably a good idea to seek
> professional help.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Professional quackery.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
On 2/18/2007 10:53 PM, Dr. Wayne Simon was all like:
> <yanleykin@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:1171855631.890665.10630@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>> Hi Chad,
>>
>> Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
>> to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
>> something else. There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
>> people can do on their own. In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
>> problematic, and self-treatment even more so. If you are really
>> struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
>> a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
>> father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
>> shrinks -- unless of course you want to). They may be able to tell
>> you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
>> "adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
>> any.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Yan
>>
>
> I would agree with Yan. Self diagnosis and treatment are not a good idea and
> can lead to additional problems. It is probably a good idea to seek
> professional help.
>
>
I like self diagnosis with a script for narcotics.
On 2/18/2007 10:53 PM, Dr. Wayne Simon was all like:
> <yanleykin@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:1171855631.890665.10630@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>> Hi Chad,
>>
>> Low LI can be indicative of a thing or two, but it isn't totally clear
>> to me that what you are describing in yourself is in fact low LI or
>> something else. There are tests for LI, AFAIK, but it's not something
>> people can do on their own. In fact, self-diagnosis can also be
>> problematic, and self-treatment even more so. If you are really
>> struggling, you may want to consider taking to a good psychiatrist or
>> a good psychologist (and no, you won't have to talk about your mother,
>> father, sex urges, or anything else Hollywood likes to show about
>> shrinks -- unless of course you want to). They may be able to tell
>> you more about what's going on, whether it's a problem, or part of
>> "adolescent angst", as well as give you some options, should you need
>> any.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Yan
>>
>
> I would agree with Yan. Self diagnosis and treatment are not a good idea and
> can lead to additional problems. It is probably a good idea to seek
> professional help.
>
>
I like self diagnosis with a script for narcotics.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
I'll pretend you are 57, in case you feel like you are a grandparent.
I'll pretend you are 57, in case you feel like you are a grandparent.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
"Chad" <bradleyplaysbass@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:1171854701.107046.261230@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups,com ...
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
> So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
> a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
> is
> said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
> directions, depending on intelligence.
>
> People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
> incoming
> stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
> sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
> patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
> information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
> creativity and ability to learn.
>
> On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
> not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
> madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
> less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
> It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
> drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
> effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
> perception.'
>
> With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
> deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
> insignificant.
>
> "I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
> seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
> breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
> but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
> to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
> to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
> stood for."
>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
> Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
> like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
> wisdom.
>
> And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
> very depressed and
> feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
Check out ADHD with Undifferentiated Senses (Synthesia).
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
> diagnosis?
>
"Chad" <bradleyplaysbass@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:1171854701.107046.261230@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups,com ...
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
> So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
> a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
> is
> said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
> directions, depending on intelligence.
>
> People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
> incoming
> stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
> sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
> patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
> information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
> creativity and ability to learn.
>
> On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
> not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
> madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
> less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
> It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
> drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
> effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
> perception.'
>
> With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
> deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
> insignificant.
>
> "I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
> seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
> breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
> but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
> to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
> to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
> stood for."
>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
> Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
> like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
> wisdom.
>
> And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
> very depressed and
> feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
Check out ADHD with Undifferentiated Senses (Synthesia).
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
> diagnosis?
>
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
"Linda" <indomitable2@nospam,com > wrote in message
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>
> "Chad" <bradleyplaysbass@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:1171854701.107046.261230@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
> Check out ADHD with Undifferentiated Senses (Synthesia).
I meant to say....
Check out the literature on ADHD caused by /exacerbated by Sensory
Integration Problems/Undifferentiated senses/ Synthesia
?
>>
>> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
>> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
>> more stable as I grow older.
>>
>> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
>> patterns?
Yoga/Martial Arts might help.
"Linda" <indomitable2@nospam,com > wrote in message
news:99bCh.3258$x74.3215@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink,net ...
>
> "Chad" <bradleyplaysbass@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:1171854701.107046.261230@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
> Check out ADHD with Undifferentiated Senses (Synthesia).
I meant to say....
Check out the literature on ADHD caused by /exacerbated by Sensory
Integration Problems/Undifferentiated senses/ Synthesia
?
>>
>> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
>> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
>> more stable as I grow older.
>>
>> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
>> patterns?
Yoga/Martial Arts might help.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
On Feb 19, 3:11=EF=BF=BDam, "Chad" <bradleyplaysb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
> So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
> a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
> is
> said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
> directions, depending on intelligence.
>
> People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
> incoming
> stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
> sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
> patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
> information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
> creativity and ability to learn.
>
> On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
> not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
> madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
> less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
> It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
> drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
> effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
> perception.'
>
> With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
> deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
> insignificant.
>
> "I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
> seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
> breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
> but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
> to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
> to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
> stood for."
>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
> Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
> like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
> wisdom.
>
> And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
> very depressed and
> feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of =A0a
> diagnosis?
You make a mistake. You are trying to rationalise the person you are,
the person who cannot be accepted. Why else would want a diagnosis?
You want to be accepted in some way, not because it offers rationa
explanation, because you know as well as the docs that "schizophrenia"
is not explanation. You are going to the wrong people for answers. You
will end up taking meds.
On Feb 19, 3:11=EF=BF=BDam, "Chad" <bradleyplaysb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
> So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
> a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
> is
> said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
> directions, depending on intelligence.
>
> People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
> incoming
> stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
> sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
> patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
> information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
> creativity and ability to learn.
>
> On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
> not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
> madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
> less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
> It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
> drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
> effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
> perception.'
>
> With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
> deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
> insignificant.
>
> "I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
> seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
> breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
> but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
> to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
> to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
> stood for."
>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
> Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
> like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
> wisdom.
>
> And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
> very depressed and
> feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of =A0a
> diagnosis?
You make a mistake. You are trying to rationalise the person you are,
the person who cannot be accepted. Why else would want a diagnosis?
You want to be accepted in some way, not because it offers rationa
explanation, because you know as well as the docs that "schizophrenia"
is not explanation. You are going to the wrong people for answers. You
will end up taking meds.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
On 19 Feb 2007 06:16:52 -0800, "John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol,com >
wrote:
>
>You make a mistake. You are trying to rationalise the person you are,
>the person who cannot be accepted. Why else would want a diagnosis?
>You want to be accepted in some way, not because it offers rationa
>explanation, because you know as well as the docs that "schizophrenia"
>is not explanation. You are going to the wrong people for answers. You
>will end up taking meds.
AMEN John! Great Observation!
In 31 years of care under the psychiatric
community with first a diagnosis for 25 years
of paranoid schizophrenia (I have as a result 25
years of formal education BTW) and then a diagnosis
of Bipolar for 6 years, i am still taking the fucking medication.
And yet THEY never healed me. I had to heal myself
with the epiphanies I recieved from Neuro-Linguistic
Programming and the work of a Cognitive Pscyh Ph.d
with years of NLP leadership training around the world
by the name of Dr. Michael Hall. Google him... a lot of
his stuff is available on the Internet.
If I'd gotten a good dose of high protein amino acids,
a rigorous program of exercise and intensive NLP training
31 years ago I would have had a more successful career
than I have had. Not that I have regrets, but the MEDICAL
model is a ROAD THAT LEADS NOWHERE, or if it does... rest
assured that you will 'ARRIVE' on the fucking slow boat.
Ned Goudy
Glendora, CA.
On 19 Feb 2007 06:16:52 -0800, "John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol,com >
wrote:
>
>You make a mistake. You are trying to rationalise the person you are,
>the person who cannot be accepted. Why else would want a diagnosis?
>You want to be accepted in some way, not because it offers rationa
>explanation, because you know as well as the docs that "schizophrenia"
>is not explanation. You are going to the wrong people for answers. You
>will end up taking meds.
AMEN John! Great Observation!
In 31 years of care under the psychiatric
community with first a diagnosis for 25 years
of paranoid schizophrenia (I have as a result 25
years of formal education BTW) and then a diagnosis
of Bipolar for 6 years, i am still taking the fucking medication.
And yet THEY never healed me. I had to heal myself
with the epiphanies I recieved from Neuro-Linguistic
Programming and the work of a Cognitive Pscyh Ph.d
with years of NLP leadership training around the world
by the name of Dr. Michael Hall. Google him... a lot of
his stuff is available on the Internet.
If I'd gotten a good dose of high protein amino acids,
a rigorous program of exercise and intensive NLP training
31 years ago I would have had a more successful career
than I have had. Not that I have regrets, but the MEDICAL
model is a ROAD THAT LEADS NOWHERE, or if it does... rest
assured that you will 'ARRIVE' on the fucking slow boat.
Ned Goudy
Glendora, CA.
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
On Feb 18, 10:11 pm, "Chad" <bradleyplaysb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
The only way to block out stimuli is to put on wax earplugs and close
your eyes. Or put an IPod on with soothing music. Or have sufficient
distraction to take your mind off it. If you can't leave the area it
can be very irritating. However, I learned late in life that every
person has the ability. It can be likened to a muscle. We have a
choice about how we feel in any given situation: between stimulus and
response. We can choose to allow the weather to ruin our day or
create mentally our interior weather: inside it can be a great day or
at least a less awful one. Next time you feel negative thoughts
creeping up, remember that you can choose to allow it into your life
or just put it aside for another time. Write it down if it's a
thought you want to pursue later rather than deal with right away.
Then put it aside and think about where you want to be ten years from
now, and what you can do that will give you a few footsteps closer to
your goal. What is your chosen value or values? Can you (and you
can) subordinate those thoughts you don't want, the voices you're
hearing that you don't want to hear, by doing something else that will
remove their power over you. You are giving them power by listening
to them: ignore those voices and say to yourself "it's all in my mind"
and then go on and act as if they were not there.
> People with a high intelligence level a>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
It doesn't matter what happens to other people. It's only you that is
the concern. If you're looking to find out that you are intelligent,
don't bother. You already know you are. Don't allow more psychedelics
to derail you further. They are a dead end eventually and very few
people who take them regularly will attain their life's goals.
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world.
This is typical for most people.
I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
This is also typical for many introspective people. Write out those
feelings and then go on with your life. REalize that those voices are
frmo people in your early childhood who told you how you should be or
judged your actions based on their own limited experiences.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
Lastly be very careful that you don't carry illegal drugs because your
problems will spiral out of control when the criminal justice system
catches you. You don't need that kind of comlication. See a dr and
if necessary get anti-depressants for the short term; until you feel
better.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
Does it matter what label they give you? I suspect neither: you sound
extremely normal and psychologically average in self-awareness.
Control your response to your thoughts: you do have a choice whether
you allow them to ruin your day. You can choose to have a happy or at
least not un-happy interior weather. What I've heard that you feel is
also a choice; every feeling we allow for more than a few seconds is
from a decision we make and only we Can make.
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
> diagnosis?
On Feb 18, 10:11 pm, "Chad" <bradleyplaysb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
The only way to block out stimuli is to put on wax earplugs and close
your eyes. Or put an IPod on with soothing music. Or have sufficient
distraction to take your mind off it. If you can't leave the area it
can be very irritating. However, I learned late in life that every
person has the ability. It can be likened to a muscle. We have a
choice about how we feel in any given situation: between stimulus and
response. We can choose to allow the weather to ruin our day or
create mentally our interior weather: inside it can be a great day or
at least a less awful one. Next time you feel negative thoughts
creeping up, remember that you can choose to allow it into your life
or just put it aside for another time. Write it down if it's a
thought you want to pursue later rather than deal with right away.
Then put it aside and think about where you want to be ten years from
now, and what you can do that will give you a few footsteps closer to
your goal. What is your chosen value or values? Can you (and you
can) subordinate those thoughts you don't want, the voices you're
hearing that you don't want to hear, by doing something else that will
remove their power over you. You are giving them power by listening
to them: ignore those voices and say to yourself "it's all in my mind"
and then go on and act as if they were not there.
> People with a high intelligence level a>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
It doesn't matter what happens to other people. It's only you that is
the concern. If you're looking to find out that you are intelligent,
don't bother. You already know you are. Don't allow more psychedelics
to derail you further. They are a dead end eventually and very few
people who take them regularly will attain their life's goals.
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world.
This is typical for most people.
I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
This is also typical for many introspective people. Write out those
feelings and then go on with your life. REalize that those voices are
frmo people in your early childhood who told you how you should be or
judged your actions based on their own limited experiences.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
Lastly be very careful that you don't carry illegal drugs because your
problems will spiral out of control when the criminal justice system
catches you. You don't need that kind of comlication. See a dr and
if necessary get anti-depressants for the short term; until you feel
better.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
Does it matter what label they give you? I suspect neither: you sound
extremely normal and psychologically average in self-awareness.
Control your response to your thoughts: you do have a choice whether
you allow them to ruin your day. You can choose to have a happy or at
least not un-happy interior weather. What I've heard that you feel is
also a choice; every feeling we allow for more than a few seconds is
from a decision we make and only we Can make.
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
> diagnosis?
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
I am not so sure it's so clear cut to say that if someone perceives
something that that something is not relevant to a person's need. Who
gets to define what they need? Sometimes it's a very rational response
to the world to go insane.
Phin
On 18 Feb 2007 19:11:41 -0800, "Chad" <bradleyplaysbass@yahoo,com >
wrote:
>My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
>this
>for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
>is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
>SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
>up with.
>
>Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
>thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
>irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
>that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
>thought.
>
>Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
>it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
>inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
>important to one's need.
>
>So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
>a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
>is
>said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
>directions, depending on intelligence.
>
>People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
>incoming
>stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
>sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
>patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
>information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
>creativity and ability to learn.
>
>On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
>not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
>madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
>less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
>It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
>drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
>effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
>perception.'
>
>With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
>deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
>insignificant.
>
>"I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
>seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
>breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
>but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
>to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
>to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
>stood for."
>
>The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
>that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
>state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
>It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
>Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
>talk to
>anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
>my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
>like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
>wisdom.
>
>And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
>very depressed and
>feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
>of
>the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
>in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
>explode.
>
>The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
>opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
>hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
>my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
>being.
>
>My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
>I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
>may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
>away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
>all. Is my fear rational?
>
>What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
>me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
>more stable as I grow older.
>
>any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
>patterns?
>
>
>PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
>anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
>diagnosis?
I am not so sure it's so clear cut to say that if someone perceives
something that that something is not relevant to a person's need. Who
gets to define what they need? Sometimes it's a very rational response
to the world to go insane.
Phin
On 18 Feb 2007 19:11:41 -0800, "Chad" <bradleyplaysbass@yahoo,com >
wrote:
>My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
>this
>for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
>is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
>SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
>up with.
>
>Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
>thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
>irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
>that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
>thought.
>
>Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
>it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
>inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
>important to one's need.
>
>So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
>a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
>is
>said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
>directions, depending on intelligence.
>
>People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
>incoming
>stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
>sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
>patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
>information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
>creativity and ability to learn.
>
>On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
>not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
>madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
>less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
>It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
>drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
>effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
>perception.'
>
>With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
>deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
>insignificant.
>
>"I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
>seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
>breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
>but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
>to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
>to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
>stood for."
>
>The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
>that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
>state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
>It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
>Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
>talk to
>anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
>my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
>like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
>wisdom.
>
>And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
>very depressed and
>feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
>of
>the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
>in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
>explode.
>
>The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
>opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
>hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
>my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
>being.
>
>My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
>I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
>may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
>away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
>all. Is my fear rational?
>
>What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
>me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
>more stable as I grow older.
>
>any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
>patterns?
>
>
>PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
>anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
>diagnosis?
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
"Phin" <someone@somewhere,net > wrote in message
news:8jrjt21pj99of56ctn5o55n1fno67go2o3@4ax,com ...
>I am not so sure it's so clear cut to say that if someone perceives
> something that that something is not relevant to a person's need. Who
> gets to define what they need? Sometimes it's a very rational response
> to the world to go insane.
I do. It's my job.
That's all you need to know.
card xii
"Phin" <someone@somewhere,net > wrote in message
news:8jrjt21pj99of56ctn5o55n1fno67go2o3@4ax,com ...
>I am not so sure it's so clear cut to say that if someone perceives
> something that that something is not relevant to a person's need. Who
> gets to define what they need? Sometimes it's a very rational response
> to the world to go insane.
I do. It's my job.
That's all you need to know.
card xii
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:25:12 GMT, "Card XII"
<blotsparade@sciencefrontiers,com > wrote:
>
>"Phin" <someone@somewhere,net > wrote in message
>news:8jrjt21pj99of56ctn5o55n1fno67go2o3@4ax,com ...
>>I am not so sure it's so clear cut to say that if someone perceives
>> something that that something is not relevant to a person's need. Who
>> gets to define what they need? Sometimes it's a very rational response
>> to the world to go insane.
>
>I do. It's my job.
>
>That's all you need to know.
>
>card xii
>
I think some of the most RELEVANT discussion
concerning schizophrenia was done by Gregory
Bateson in the early 60s DOC... BEFORE the
pharma corps started revving up their pill production
plants.
His explanation is a very clear cut discussion that puts
the ball squarely in the corner of the ENVIRONMENTAL
considerations as the cause of mental difficulties.
People growing up in the ghetto for example, SIBLINGS,
side by side can be exposed to the same dysfunctional
behavior in a family and yet one of them or more is able
to escape the insanity. I am convinced it has a lot to do
with birth order, early learned coping skills and sorting capabilities
(see the extended Myers-Briggs 60 category discussion of Dr. Michael
Hall, in Figuring Out People - Google It) and YES... physical illness,
nutrition and inherent brain dysfunction. But the greatest number of
people I have come across in over 30 years as a patient on MY SIDE
of the couch DOC, indicates to me a very limited capability to apply
the medical model with success. MED vs. placebo tests are probably
a good example of that too, wouldn't you agree?
Get off your high horse doc... and lobby for more creative methods
of therapy. 6 weeks of paid psychological help with a MFT or ph.d
in psych is probably not enough. Intensive, live in programs with
rigorous instruction in SELF AWARENESS, physical agility and health
and a program of good nutrition I am confident would do far more...
but the reality is that the world in general despite their cowtowing
to the bullshit Judeo/Christian lines of charity... don't really give
a shit if mentally ill people get well or not. They just wanna
dispose of em in the most efficacous way possible. THUS... the
15 minute medication visit! I rest my case. FOR NOW.
Ned Goudy
Glendora, CA USA
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:25:12 GMT, "Card XII"
<blotsparade@sciencefrontiers,com > wrote:
>
>"Phin" <someone@somewhere,net > wrote in message
>news:8jrjt21pj99of56ctn5o55n1fno67go2o3@4ax,com ...
>>I am not so sure it's so clear cut to say that if someone perceives
>> something that that something is not relevant to a person's need. Who
>> gets to define what they need? Sometimes it's a very rational response
>> to the world to go insane.
>
>I do. It's my job.
>
>That's all you need to know.
>
>card xii
>
I think some of the most RELEVANT discussion
concerning schizophrenia was done by Gregory
Bateson in the early 60s DOC... BEFORE the
pharma corps started revving up their pill production
plants.
His explanation is a very clear cut discussion that puts
the ball squarely in the corner of the ENVIRONMENTAL
considerations as the cause of mental difficulties.
People growing up in the ghetto for example, SIBLINGS,
side by side can be exposed to the same dysfunctional
behavior in a family and yet one of them or more is able
to escape the insanity. I am convinced it has a lot to do
with birth order, early learned coping skills and sorting capabilities
(see the extended Myers-Briggs 60 category discussion of Dr. Michael
Hall, in Figuring Out People - Google It) and YES... physical illness,
nutrition and inherent brain dysfunction. But the greatest number of
people I have come across in over 30 years as a patient on MY SIDE
of the couch DOC, indicates to me a very limited capability to apply
the medical model with success. MED vs. placebo tests are probably
a good example of that too, wouldn't you agree?
Get off your high horse doc... and lobby for more creative methods
of therapy. 6 weeks of paid psychological help with a MFT or ph.d
in psych is probably not enough. Intensive, live in programs with
rigorous instruction in SELF AWARENESS, physical agility and health
and a program of good nutrition I am confident would do far more...
but the reality is that the world in general despite their cowtowing
to the bullshit Judeo/Christian lines of charity... don't really give
a shit if mentally ill people get well or not. They just wanna
dispose of em in the most efficacous way possible. THUS... the
15 minute medication visit! I rest my case. FOR NOW.
Ned Goudy
Glendora, CA USA
Re: relationship between LSD/schizophrenia/bi-polar disease and coping with emotions
Chad,
The problem with navel gazing is that you can go cross eyed.
Introspection is of value but it is also dangerous, we need other
parties to help us understand ourselves. Actually we can never really
understand ourselves so we desperately need other people!
In my experience people of high intelligence seem to like playing with
drugs. I have known many highly intelligent people doing the same and
it is so much wasted talent. Experimenting is common and not so bad
but too much experimentation with too much introspection is bloody
dangerous. These drugs do not open the doors of perception, they
simply change the perception. Huxley was a hopeless romantic.
The constant chatter in your head is obviously troubling you. If
possible, see someone for an evaluation. Trying to nut this out
yourself is dangerous. You may have a condition, you may just be
moody. Forget using the drugs to try and understand this condition, if
you cannot find help then start looking for patterns in your moods,
see if there is anything you do or that happens that triggers these
moods. That may give you some insight. It may even be the case that
you are something of a loner who does not appreciate that many people
have highs and lows, experience strange things. For example, a recent
study found that up to 20% of the population has experienced psychotic
episodes of hearing voices.
Ask yourself this: can you slip into a highly focused stated easily?
If so, find some activity that can benefit by that ability.
On Feb 19, 1:11 pm, "Chad" <bradleyplaysb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
> So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
> a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
> is
> said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
> directions, depending on intelligence.
>
> People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
> incoming
> stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
> sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
> patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
> information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
> creativity and ability to learn.
>
> On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
> not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
> madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
> less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
> It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
> drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
> effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
> perception.'
>
> With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
> deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
> insignificant.
>
> "I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
> seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
> breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
> but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
> to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
> to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
> stood for."
>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
> Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
> like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
> wisdom.
>
> And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
> very depressed and
> feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
> diagnosis?
Chad,
The problem with navel gazing is that you can go cross eyed.
Introspection is of value but it is also dangerous, we need other
parties to help us understand ourselves. Actually we can never really
understand ourselves so we desperately need other people!
In my experience people of high intelligence seem to like playing with
drugs. I have known many highly intelligent people doing the same and
it is so much wasted talent. Experimenting is common and not so bad
but too much experimentation with too much introspection is bloody
dangerous. These drugs do not open the doors of perception, they
simply change the perception. Huxley was a hopeless romantic.
The constant chatter in your head is obviously troubling you. If
possible, see someone for an evaluation. Trying to nut this out
yourself is dangerous. You may have a condition, you may just be
moody. Forget using the drugs to try and understand this condition, if
you cannot find help then start looking for patterns in your moods,
see if there is anything you do or that happens that triggers these
moods. That may give you some insight. It may even be the case that
you are something of a loner who does not appreciate that many people
have highs and lows, experience strange things. For example, a recent
study found that up to 20% of the population has experienced psychotic
episodes of hearing voices.
Ask yourself this: can you slip into a highly focused stated easily?
If so, find some activity that can benefit by that ability.
On Feb 19, 1:11 pm, "Chad" <bradleyplaysb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> My name is Chad.. I am 17 and am interested in psychology. I wrote
> this
> for people to get a better understanding of what Low latent inhibition
> is. Which might give you an idea of how to control it through means of
> SSRI drugs, benzo's, or anything thing that you the readers can come
> up with.
>
> Latent inhibition (LI) is the ability to automatically (with out
> thinking) ignore stimuli (thoughts, ideas, ect.) that are perceived as
> irrelevant to ones needs/motive. A simple example of human behavior,
> that most 'mentally balanced' people would use everyday with out any
> thought.
>
> Now that we understand what latent inhibition is and how it functions,
> it is simple to understand what low latent inhibition is. Low latent
> inhibition is not having the ability to block out things that aren't
> important to one's need.
>
> So with people who have a low latent inhibition would thus have
> a constant stream of incoming stimuli is going through their head. It
> is
> said that low latent inhibition can affect people in two different
> directions, depending on intelligence.
>
> People with a high intelligence level and a constant stream of
> incoming
> stimuli, can be classified as a creative genius. They are able to make
> sense of this stream effectively by finding interesting and useful
> patterns by continually processing a larger amount of familiar
> information. It gives them an ability that greatly aids their
> creativity and ability to learn.
>
> On the contrary people with a low intelligence level and LLI tend to
> not react the same. This same stream of incoming stimuli can cause
> madness in some people. Those will less than average intelligence are
> less able to cope and more likely to suffer from a mental illness.
>
> It seems as though what I have read, the effects of hallucinogenic
> drugs such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, ect- have the similar
> effects. In the words of Aldous Huxley- they open 'the doors of
> perception.'
>
> With Huxley's experience with mescaline talked about how he took
> deeper notice into this he would previously think of as
> insignificant.
>
> "I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I
> seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing-but of a
> breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs
> but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper
> to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came
> to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they
> stood for."
>
> The similarities between the LLI and the use of psychedelic drugs are
> that they can both go either way.. Into a confused, psychotic, panicky
> state of mind, or an enlightened, know-all type of thinking.
> It seems like I experience both sides of the LLI daily.
>
> Some days I feel on top of the world, feel like I could do anything-
> talk to
> anybody, where everything seems to make sense, everything i'm doing in
> my life is fine. That i am simply part of the circle of life. I feel
> like a grandparent watching hir grandchildren play, with knowledge and
> wisdom.
>
> And others I feel completely (for lack of better words) shitty. I feel
> very depressed and
> feel psychotic, like my mind is in a whole other place than the rest
> of
> the world. I feel like everyone is judging me- I hear myself thinking
> in my head. My thoughts don't stop and I feel like my head is going to
> explode.
>
> The only that i've been able to control the psychotic feeling is with
> opiates or benzo's (oxycontin, percs, xanax, anything i can get my
> hand on..) I am aware of the addiction factor, but a lot of the times
> my desperateness of anxiety/depression outweighs my care for well
> being.
>
> My questions are- I am schizophrenic? am i bipolar?
>
> I've considered antidepressants- but from what i've researched- they
> may help with the chronic anxiety, but my fear is that they will take
> away from my actual self and make me feel little or no emotions at
> all. Is my fear rational?
>
> What can I do to cope with this? or is this just what life is dealing
> me. Mind you I am only 17, so I still have a hope that i will become
> more stable as I grow older.
>
> any suggestions as far as what I can do to control my moods/thought
> patterns?
>
> PS- please no mean suggestions, i'm posting for the purpose to see if
> anyone goes through what i go through, and even an idea of a
> diagnosis?
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