we are not biophysical entities

we are not biophysical entities

free will is indeterminate, dependent only on itself and NO rules binding
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will

biology and physics are determinate, and are determined COMPLETELY by
rules

this dichotomy implies our existence and soul, is not biophysical
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29

more so, we must ask, if there is existence that is not determined, like
free will, then is there ANY existence that is determined, and is what we
perceive as a material realm, a manifestation of our wills, implying
there is no material realm whatsoever, and only a spiritual realm

the power structure of the institution of science, its arm of involuntary
psychiatric treatment, depends solely on the idea that we are ONLY
biophysical entities, science is unlikely to compromise on this issue,
because they enjoy their power arm in politics

--
Dale
http :// www .vedantasite.org

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On 1 May, 10:56, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> free will is indeterminate, dependent only on itself and NO rules binding http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free will
>
> biology and physics are determinate, and are determined COMPLETELY by
> rules
>
> this dichotomy implies our existence and soul, is not biophysical http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism %28philosophy of mind%29
>
> more so, we must ask, if there is existence that is not determined, like
> free will, then is there ANY existence that is determined, and is what we
> perceive as a material realm, a manifestation of our wills, implying
> there is no material realm whatsoever, and only a spiritual realm
>
> the power structure of the institution of science, its arm of involuntary
> psychiatric treatment, depends solely on the idea that we are ONLY
> biophysical entities, science is unlikely to compromise on this issue,
> because they enjoy their power arm in politics
>
> --
> Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org

No dichotomy.

We experience what we believe to be "free will", although it is an
artifact of the "rules" of millions of years of biophysical
evolution.

What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
experience?

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:28 -0700, Vlad the accountant wrote:

> What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> experience?--

the fact that science is allowed to perpetuate an involuntary religion



--
Dale
http :// www .vedantasite.org

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On 1 May, 11:34, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:28 -0700, Vlad the accountant wrote:
> > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > experience?--
>
> the fact that science is allowed to perpetuate an involuntary religion
>
> --
> Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org

dunno about anybody else but i volunteered, walked right up to that
signin' up place whistling.

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On 1 Maj, 12:43, Vlad the accountant
<vlad.the.account...@googlemail,com > wrote:
> On 1 May, 11:34, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:28 -0700, Vlad the accountant wrote:
> > > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > > experience?--
>
> > the fact that science is allowed to perpetuate an involuntary religion
>
> > --
> > Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org
>
> dunno about anybody else but i volunteered, walked right up to that
> signin' up place whistling.

That make's you an exception.

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On 1 May, 11:34, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:28 -0700, Vlad the accountant wrote:
> > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > experience?--
>
> the fact that science is allowed to perpetuate an involuntary religion
>
> --
> Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org

this is your god speaking ... get therapy my son ... for your brain is
stewed prunes boiled in custard

Re: we are not biophysical entities

Ya think? The former professor of psychiatry at Harvard, Nancy Andreasen,
has some very disturbing things to say about the current state of psychiatry
in the USA.


"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:1178563074.801423.143430@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> On 1 May, 11:34, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> > On Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:28 -0700, Vlad the accountant wrote:
> > > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > > experience?--
> >
> > the fact that science is allowed to perpetuate an involuntary religion
> >
> > --
> > Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org
>
> this is your god speaking ... get therapy my son ... for your brain is
> stewed prunes boiled in custard
>

Re: we are not biophysical entities

yes indeed - i'm a vegitable -- I thing i'm going to pour myself in
a bowl
and microwave me into some vegitable soup

John H. wrote:
> Ya think? The former professor of psychiatry at Harvard, Nancy Andreasen,
> has some very disturbing things to say about the current state of psychiatry
> in the USA.
>
>
> "SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:1178563074.801423.143430@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> > On 1 May, 11:34, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:28 -0700, Vlad the accountant wrote:
> > > > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > > > experience?--
> > >
> > > the fact that science is allowed to perpetuate an involuntary religion
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org
> >
> > this is your god speaking ... get therapy my son ... for your brain is
> > stewed prunes boiled in custard
> >

Re: we are not biophysical entities

>
> What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> experience?

This seems to be the inevitable defense of psychiatry and the "helping
professions": suggest that any criticism of these pseudo-sciences must
be the result of mental problems of the critic.

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On 1 May 2007 04:45:59 -0700, prospero33 <conrad.geller@gmail,com >
wrote:

>>
>> What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
>> experience?
>
>This seems to be the inevitable defense of psychiatry and the "helping
>professions": suggest that any criticism of these pseudo-sciences must
>be the result of mental problems of the critic.

Are you saying Dale doesn't have obvious mental problems?

CT

Re: we are not biophysical entities

I've got these two fantastic files one is a pdf file type and the
other
is a Mac Safari file type. They show the crimes of Mendocino county
for the month. One was an x-friend who tried to buy my friendship
with personalized gift to dazzle my eyes and make m lifes work so
easy. He turned out to be Satan and he was breaking hearts and
making scams of imperialistic madness faster than the speed of
light. I wish I knew how to attach them both to a post. Does
anybody know how?

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On 1 May, 12:45, prospero33 <conrad.gel...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > experience?
>
> This seems to be the inevitable defense of psychiatry and the "helping
> professions": suggest that any criticism of these pseudo-sciences must
> be the result of mental problems of the critic.

joke mate...i go along with the idea that phychiatry is the new witch
craft (like hitler and marx, L ron wasnt always wrong), but ive had a
look at this loons website and i dont think i was that far off the
mark.

Re: we are not biophysical entities

On May 1, 6:45 am, prospero33 <conrad.gel...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > experience?
>
> This seems to be the inevitable defense of psychiatry and the "helping
> professions": suggest that any criticism of these pseudo-sciences must
> be the result of mental problems of the critic.

Trust me, that's not the only reason why we think Dale's nuts. Of
course, his use of the phrase "the power structure of the institution
of science, its arm of involuntary psychiatric treatment," is highly
suggestive.

Re: we are not biophysical entities


John Bode wrote:
> On May 1, 6:45 am, prospero33 <conrad.gel...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > What do you have against phychiatrists btw... shocking personal
> > > experience?

About 80% of the people online that have known or encountered my posts
on various NGs from 93 to date think I'm nuts. I was taken from my
home
at the age of 16 by court order requested by my parents - removed by
police
in hand cuffs and taken to the state mental hospital for observation
and review
because of overt sexual activity and abuse of drinking a hell of a lot
of gin
every day - all done in my bedroom and hiding nothing of it all from
my
parents.

The experence of being locked up in the state nut farm was almost
enough
to send me over the edge and go raving insane like so many others
residing
there. But, after about 4 days I adapted to my environment of being
dumped
into an open ward with all the nuts running about acting profusely
insane. They
were harmless towards me and a few became very friendly with me -
especially
my roommate - who I went to high school and always wondered what
hapened
to him after he just disapeared from school, his home nor did anybody
seem to
know what happened to him. Well I found out what happened to him
now. When
I was in school with him I had a secret desire to make it with him as
he was very
much the hunk on the football team and had a great personality. But,
as I really
thought him to be 100% straight my desires remained secret. After all
it was 1959
in a little hick town in Arkansas. Well, after the third night of
sleeping with him
as my roommate in this hopin and flopin nut house clearly he was not
straight
in the lease to my great surprise.

I only spent 2 weeks there and then after the review panel talked to
me about
my problems and how to deal with them to my best advantages when free
and back
in public again they gave me a script of Antibuse for the drinking
problem and told
me to be cautious and careful about all sexual activities and do them
in a place
where my parents did not know about them - if I did such at all and to
cool it
to a normal amount for the average 16 year old male simply do anything
sexual in
a secret way. Then they released me and I went back home and did
exactly as
the review panel of doctors told me to do.

Well, that two weeks taught me a lot of things most 16 year old boys
never even
think of or know of for that matter. I needed to be stopped for my
own good and
soon I thanked my parents for what they had to do and have deep
respect for the review
panel of phychiatrists. Phychiatrists can do a good job of
normalizing people
with drugs in a varity of shapes, colors and directions for taking
them. It worked
for me!

> >
> > This seems to be the inevitable defense of psychiatry and the "helping
> > professions": suggest that any criticism of these pseudo-sciences must
> > be the result of mental problems of the critic.

After my life from 1966 to 1969 living in the core of actions in the
Haight - Ashbury
I became enlightened and my mind expanded to comprehend to the ends of
my
universe all I encountered, did and saw. That period of my life was
like turning
baby shit into gold as far as what I learned realizing that nothing is
imposible. I
began to see in a new way scanning all before me and understanding all
about it
as never before - still looking like that to this date in time.

> Trust me, that's not the only reason why we think Dale's nuts. Of
> course, his use of the phrase "the power structure of the institution
> of science, its arm of involuntary psychiatric treatment," is highly
> suggestive.

Absolutely! I'll say no more on that as I'm in complete agreement.
With some people - being nuts, whackos, insane and such is what
they enjoy and it's what makes them happy. As long as they do not
hurt others and them --- I say to those sort of people - go for it and
enjoy -- just make sure you control yourself and stay loving,
respectful
---- friendly to those who desire it - and - eat plenty of pure dark
chocolate and fresh ripe blueberies to help keep your mind and
body well tuned.

WOMP WOMP
Tom

Re: we are not biophysical entities

Dale Kelly wrote:
> free will is indeterminate, dependent only on itself and NO rules binding
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will
>
> biology and physics are determinate, and are determined COMPLETELY by
> rules
Which rules determine when a particular radioactive atom will decay?