Schizophrenia and Aging

Schizophrenia and Aging

Just wondering if anyone out there knows anything about the changes in
symptoms and behavior of schizophrenics that occur when they hit their mid
30's.Preferably those diagnosed as early rapid onset.

Re: Schizophrenia and Aging

"John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
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| Just wondering if anyone out there
| knows anything about the changes
| in symptoms and behavior of schizo-
| phrenics that occur when they hit their
| mid 30's.Preferably those diagnosed
| as early rapid onset.

Up-front-Forgiveness, Please, because
my reply will Probably be 'unwelcome'.

It's a "myth" that's rendered virtually-real
be-cause 'conceptualizations' of 'schizo-
phrenai' coerce folks who are transition-
ing out of relatively-isolated group-wise
'familiarity' into larger-group-wise 'unfam-
iliar' circumstances.

The onset of so-called "schizophrenia"
derives in the relative-'powers' of the
small and large groups' group-wise
TD E/I-minimization dynamics.

This happens =solely= be-cause of
what has been the prevailing absence-
of-understanding with respect to how
and why nervous systems process in-
formation via 'blindly'-automated TD
E/I-minimization, which leaves the rel-
ative TD E/I-minimizations that occur
in the "large" group 'dominant' with re-
spect to those that occur in the small
group.

That is, the large-group' 'blindly' and
automatically 'beats-up' members of
the small-group, which leaves the
members of the small-group virtual-
ly-unable to achieve TD E/I-minimiza-
tion, which manifests itself in the
form of the relative-disorder of behav-
iors correlated with long-term exist-
ence 'within' the "zone of randomness"
as it's been discussed in AoK, Ap4 all
along.

[FWIW, AoK, Ap8 was written on be-
half of folks who are rendered-vulner-
able to these rather-savage group-
wise interactive dynamics -- which I
'had to' do, because I'd Reified all
that's entailed while developing NDT.

Writing AoK, Ap8 was 'Hard'-to-do be-
cause I understood, even while writ-
ing it, that the "large-group" to which
I was going to give AoK had the attrib-
utes of the large-group", above, rela-
tive to my own 'group'-of-one. The
prediction, inherent, did not go un-
verified.]

Bottom line -- 'society' =makes= so-
called "schizophrenics", then 'blames'
the 'schizophrenics' for what 'society'
has done to these fellow Human Beings.

It's 'pretty'-Ugly.

What absence-of-understanding =always=
is.

That's why I call it 'the beast.'

I'll close by asking for Forgiveness,
again.

Cheers, John,

ken [k. p. collins]

Re: Schizophrenia and Aging

Hello Ken,

While I share some of your concerns regarding the diagnosis of
schizophrenia, my interest in how general metabolic changes can impact on
behavior. I was prompted to put up this post by a remark a friend of mine
made. He noted that prisoners typically tend to "reform" in their mid-30's,
if not, they just keep coming back to jail. I realise the link to that and
my question is tenuous but I'll that for you to ponder upon.

By the way, the former Prof of Psychiatry at Harvard, Nancy Andreasen, has
issued some rather powerful broadsides at American psychiatry. So much for
that fucking DSM pile of useless decision tree logic crap as if that is ever
going to be sufficient to penetrates the mysteries of the human condition
how can people be so fucking stupid as to include criteria like "magical
thinking" for psychosis when so many economists, psychologists, and
psychiatrists are replete with the stuff?

Nonetheless, schizophrenia is as real(umbrella) condition and I pity the
poor bastards who must try and help schizophrenics!



"Benjamin" <Benjamin@verizon . net > wrote in message
news:OFF4i.9202$aj.5117@trndny06...
> "John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
> news:46531c35$1@quokka.wn . com .au...
> | Just wondering if anyone out there
> | knows anything about the changes
> | in symptoms and behavior of schizo-
> | phrenics that occur when they hit their
> | mid 30's.Preferably those diagnosed
> | as early rapid onset.
>
> Up-front-Forgiveness, Please, because
> my reply will Probably be 'unwelcome'.
>
> It's a "myth" that's rendered virtually-real
> be-cause 'conceptualizations' of 'schizo-
> phrenai' coerce folks who are transition-
> ing out of relatively-isolated group-wise
> 'familiarity' into larger-group-wise 'unfam-
> iliar' circumstances.
>
> The onset of so-called "schizophrenia"
> derives in the relative-'powers' of the
> small and large groups' group-wise
> TD E/I-minimization dynamics.
>
> This happens =solely= be-cause of
> what has been the prevailing absence-
> of-understanding with respect to how
> and why nervous systems process in-
> formation via 'blindly'-automated TD
> E/I-minimization, which leaves the rel-
> ative TD E/I-minimizations that occur
> in the "large" group 'dominant' with re-
> spect to those that occur in the small
> group.
>
> That is, the large-group' 'blindly' and
> automatically 'beats-up' members of
> the small-group, which leaves the
> members of the small-group virtual-
> ly-unable to achieve TD E/I-minimiza-
> tion, which manifests itself in the
> form of the relative-disorder of behav-
> iors correlated with long-term exist-
> ence 'within' the "zone of randomness"
> as it's been discussed in AoK, Ap4 all
> along.
>
> [FWIW, AoK, Ap8 was written on be-
> half of folks who are rendered-vulner-
> able to these rather-savage group-
> wise interactive dynamics -- which I
> 'had to' do, because I'd Reified all
> that's entailed while developing NDT.
>
> Writing AoK, Ap8 was 'Hard'-to-do be-
> cause I understood, even while writ-
> ing it, that the "large-group" to which
> I was going to give AoK had the attrib-
> utes of the large-group", above, rela-
> tive to my own 'group'-of-one. The
> prediction, inherent, did not go un-
> verified.]
>
> Bottom line -- 'society' =makes= so-
> called "schizophrenics", then 'blames'
> the 'schizophrenics' for what 'society'
> has done to these fellow Human Beings.
>
> It's 'pretty'-Ugly.
>
> What absence-of-understanding =always=
> is.
>
> That's why I call it 'the beast.'
>
> I'll close by asking for Forgiveness,
> again.
>
> Cheers, John,
>
> ken [k. p. collins]
>
>

Re: Schizophrenia and Aging


"John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
news:46532d4b@quokka.wn . com .au...
> Hello Ken,
>
> While I share some of your concerns regarding the diagnosis of
> schizophrenia, my interest in how general metabolic changes can impact on
> behavior. I was prompted to put up this post by a remark a friend of mine
> made. He noted that prisoners typically tend to "reform" in their
> mid-30's,
> if not, they just keep coming back to jail. I realise the link to that and
> my question is tenuous but I'll that for you to ponder upon.
>
> By the way, the former Prof of Psychiatry at Harvard, Nancy Andreasen, has
> issued some rather powerful broadsides at American psychiatry. So much for
> that fucking DSM pile of useless decision tree logic crap as if that is
> ever
> going to be sufficient to penetrates the mysteries of the human condition
> how can people be so fucking stupid as to include criteria like "magical
> thinking" for psychosis when so many economists, psychologists, and
> psychiatrists are replete with the stuff?

I think one must differentiate between so called clinical "magical
thinking"
and sociologically accepted faith based thinking. Although there are some
similarities, which might be very disturbing and alarming to the empiricist
scientist, or existentialist, I think there is a big difference, which can
usually
be picked up quite easily on history.
>
> Nonetheless, schizophrenia is as real(umbrella) condition and I pity the
> poor bastards who must try and help schizophrenics!
>
>
>
> "Benjamin" <Benjamin@verizon . net > wrote in message

Re: Schizophrenia and Aging


"John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
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| Hello Ken,
|
| While I share some of your concerns
| regarding the diagnosis of schizophrenia,
| my interest in how general metabolic
| changes can impact on behavior.

The whole concept of "schizophrenia"
is a hold-over from ancient 'times'.

When Psychology started gathering
momentum, folks just 'presumed'
that what =was= dysfunctional with-
in what'd gone before 'must' have
bases =solely= in "disease" proc-
esses. They just carried-forward
the old 'thinking'. The only problem
with that was [and remains] that
folks made all of the 'pronounce-
ments' with respect to the 'presum-
ed disease' on virtually the same
'bases' upon which ancient 'pre-
sumptions' were 'founded' -- be-
cause behavior arises in neural
dynamics, and neither the ancients
nor Psychologists understood any-
thing about neural dynamics.

So the still-prevailing 'diagnoses'
were actually 'formed' in 'super-
stition', and 'just' carried-forward
right down to this 'day' -- =be-
cause= folks were 'familiar' with
the ancient 'presumptions' and
that 'familiarity' literally corres-
ponds to TD E/I-minimization with-
in groups of all sizes.

It's particularly-tragic in the case of
contemporary Psychology, because
'the' "brain" is flat-out resolved as
an information-processing system
[I understand I stand-mostly-alone
in this view], but Psychology 'rolls-
along', still invoking the ancient
absence-of-understanding rather
than passing-through the =extra=
TD E/I-minimization work that's in-
herent in coming-up-to-speed with
respect to what's actually known
about nervous system function.

Which is Sorrowfully-'funny' because
what clients =need= is to be guided
through doing the extra work inherent
in achieving TD E/I-minimization with
respect to what's come to be their own
relatively-disordered [sustained-relative-
ly-high TD E/I] neural dynamics.

More below.

| I was prompted to put up this post by
| a remark a friend of mine made. He
| noted that prisoners typically tend to
| "reform" in their mid-30's, if not, they
| just keep coming back to jail. I realise
| the link to that and my question is
| tenuous but I'll that for you to ponder
| upon.

This circumstance derives in the rel-
ative 'randomness' of the TD E/I-min-
imization dynamics as they occur
'within' Individual nervous systems.

Be-cause of this relative-randomness,
it's a "crap-shoot" that turns-upon hap-
penstance events -- like a kind word,
or a gently-applied "firm-hand" occur-
ring at an opportune 'time' vs. an un-
kind word, or a viciously-applied firm-
hand applied at an inopportune 'time',
over and over again.

The basic problem derives, as I dis-
cussed in my preceding reply, in the
fact that Children whose early exper-
ience is in an environment that's 1.
relatively-"cloistered" and 2. relative-
ly-different from wider societal 'norms'.

Such Children, as do all other Child-
ren, have innate TD E/I(up) coping
mechanisms, but since condition 1.,
above, exists, the Child who's in 'dang-
er' has relatively-little experience that
she or he can rely-upon in the con-
text of her or his interaction within the
wider societal groups into which all
Children 'normally' migrate when they
go to school. Lacking such experience
that's conducive of 'coping', the Child-
in-danger is 'always' 'off-balance' in
her or his peer-group interactive dyn-
amics. It's the routineness of this off-
balance condition that gradually 'uses-
up' the Child's TD E/I(up)-coping abil-
ity -- which comes to increasingly act-
ivate the amygdalar-priming mechan-
ism [AoK, Ap5], which results in the
Child 'just' doing her or his 'non-fit-
ting-in-the-wider-peer-group-culture'
behaviors, only more-extremely, which
results in things spiralling out-of-con-
trol -- usually be-cause the larger
peer-group reacts to the 'unfamiliar'
behavior of the Child-in-danger by
'moving away from' her or him --
which elevates the Child's TD E/I
more, relatively-monotonically.

[Sidebar: I learned about all of this
stuff when I was in the same age-
group in which the above dynamics
occurred.

My Dad was a strict disciplinarian,
with a strong sense of Justice, my
Mom was a Saint, also with a strong
sense of Justice. The combination
"innoculated" me [which was Dad's
whole idea, and Mom just Loved
without a "plan".]

So, when I went to school, I'd always
"bristle" when I saw a Kid-in-danger
being picked-on by the brutal group-
wise dynamics that commonly occur
amongst Children.

And I'd go and literally rescue the Kids
who were being subjected to such.

I did so much of this Kindergarten
through High School that, although
I've always been a stand-on-my-own-
two-feet, go-my-own-way kind of guy,
I was surprised when my classmates
voted me the "most popular" Kid in
the school.

I scratched my head because I didn't
"belong" to any 'cliques'. I was a cap-
tain of the track team, but no one ever
came to our track meets, so that could-
n't be anything.

What it came down to, I realized, was
that I just wouldn't tolerate Kids being
'picked-on' in my presence -- and all
those Kids voted for me :-]

It really is funny -- I had to be =in-bed=
every night by 10:00pm all the way
through high school, so I never dated,
or hung-out. I went to a couple of Proms,
and used to go to basketball games
fairly regularly, and cheered the Cheer-
Leaders at their competitions [took one
of their Captains to my Senior Prom.]
But that was it. "How the heck did I
get voted, 'most popular'?"

It was my sensitivity to Kids being
picked-on -- be-ccause, even then,
I =knew= the "Danger" in-it, and just
wouldn't stand-by and allow it to hap-
pen.

I haven't been able to afford to attend
my last couple of five-year reunions,
but back when I could, all those Kids
that I'd formerly rescued still Remem-
ber, even as Adults -- they all make-
sure to show that they remember,
right-there in the midst of the reunions.

Some of them have had to endure
such hard experience that I'd rescue
them, still, right in the midst of the
reunions. We'd all have our own little
"party" in the midst of the larger affair :-]

Anyway, that's how and why I was able
to 'intuitively' work-out the dynamics
that I've been discussing, which I sub-
sequently reified in NDT and discussed
in AoK.

[Sidebar-to-the-sidebar: I =understand=
that folks 'presume' this or that when I
post stuff like this, but I'm =just= a pretty-
'normal' guy, but one who's =Revulsed=
by the unthinkingly-Cruel stuff that folks
routinely do to one another.

So I routinely include stuff like this "side-
bar" in my posts in order to 'fight' on be-
half of the folks who are on the receiving-
end of the unthinking-Cruelty -- you know,
to Teach folks to =Think= about what they
routinely do to Innocents.]

When I got to College, since I'd 'lost-every-
thing, as I've reiterated [for the third or
fourth 'time' here in b.n] with respect to
Libelous statements made against my
Person, I had to Coose between being
a 'bastard' and 'getting-rich', and acting-
upon what I Knew was stuff that Needed-
Fixing.

I Chose the latter, becoming a Benevolent-
'bastard' :-]

| By the way, the former Prof of Psychiatry at
| Harvard, Nancy Andreasen, has issued
| some rather powerful broadsides at American
| psychiatry. So much for that [...] DSM pile
| of useless decision tree logic crap as if that
| is ever going to be sufficient to penetrates
| the mysteries of the human condition how
| can people be so [...] stupid as to include
| criteria like "magical thinking" for psychosis
| when so many economists, psychologists,
| and psychiatrists are replete with the stuff?

All I know about the "DSM" is that it's an ac-
ronym for a book. I don't =ever= allow myself
to 'jump-on-band-wagons'.

Have always preferred to Think for myself.

Dad Demanded such. Mom Loved such.

And it's worked for me.

Both NDT and TH exist, unvulnerable to
all Possible 'attacks', as a result.

| Nonetheless, schizophrenia is as real
|(umbrella) condition and I pity the poor
| bastards who must try and help schizo-
| phrenics!
| [...]

I discuss the 'Difficulty', inherent, in AoK,
Ap8.

The 'Problem' is that absence-of-un-
derstanding perpetuates itself, as I
reiterated above.

Psychology and Psychiatry =Need= to
learn how and why nervous systems
process information via 'blindly'-auto-
mated TD E/I-minimization, and, that,
for instance, the wee-ends of the 'bell
curve' are ='normal'= to folks who =just=
experience outside of the more-widely-
experienced societal 'norms'.

The Problem hasn't been 'normal' nerv-
ous systems being 'magically-trans-
formed into 'abnormal' nervous systems.

The Problem has been that folks 'just'
haven't understood how and why nerv-
ous systems process information via
'blindly'-automated TD E/I-minimization.

And, with respect to such, the Unthinkably-
Unacceptable thing has been that the
understanding, entailed, has been in
AoK for more than two 'decades', and
in AoK's antecedant papers since 1980,
and Professionals in Psychology and
Psychiatry and Neuroscience 'just' 'move
away from' it.

Yet all of the ancient superstititon-stuff
remains being inflicted-upon folks who
look to the Pros for help =in their Suf-
fering=.

If I'd've not experienced such, I'd've not
thought such Possible.

Work in Science =must= be Communi-
cated.

So, Forgive me, Please, John, for once
again taking advantage of the oppor-
tunity inherent in stuff that you've posted.

My comments =are not= "to you".

They are to 'the beast', "Abstract Ignorance",
and to folks who Dare to be Professionals
in matters that correlate to human Needs,
and to human Suffering, but who 'move
away from' that which they Profess.

I can think of =nothing= more extremely-
Shame-Filled than this -- that, given access
to understanding, folks 'move toward' ab-
sence-of-understanding.

"Gees 'louise'!" Just eliminating the cost
inherent in 'treating' folks who are in-Danger
of succumbing to so-called "schizophrenia"
would be Reason enough to allow under-
standing that'd =do= such to be Communi-
cated.

Instead, folks 'move toward' building Prisons,
and pumping folks who Suffer-Greatly full
of 'drugs', when all that's necessary is to
enable folks, in-general, to understand how
and why their nervous systems work.

'you' [not you, John] know?

What does a guy have to do to get "notes-of-
reference" that he can send to an Editor, so
that he can, then, get the work he's done in
Science Published?

It's been 17+ 'years'.

It's all I've ever expected of =anyone=.

It's 'necessary' because I was told that,
if I didn't 'give-up' my work, I'd not be
allowed to enter a Neuroscience grad-
program.

So I did what Needed to be done outside
of 'the system'.

Not 'the system' will not even allow the
work that's been done to be Published?

What, then, is one to think with respect
to 'the system'?

Anyway, what's been referred to as "schiz-
ophrenia" derives in relative-randomness
occurring 'within' neural dynamics -- which
is self-destroying be-cause the relatively-
random neural dynamics result in the by-
production of relatively-disordered "bio-
logical mass", which increases the degree
of relative-randomness, monotonically,
yielding 'confused thought patterns', etc.

It's =all= "mechanical"-'randomness',
Cruelly-inflicted by absence-of-under-
standing [as has been explained in
AoK all along.]

=Be-cause= absence-of-understanding
'moves away from' promulgating under-
standing.

"Physician heal thyself", and stop 'point-
ing-fingers' at folks who are =Victims=
of absence-of-understanding that 'you'
'move away from' even when it's laid at
your feet, whole.

What's Needed is =understanding=,
not some 'modern' Alchemy.

k. p. collins [stepping down from either
my 'soap-box', ar my 'high-horse' -- take
your pick :-]

Re: Schizophrenia and Aging


"Benjamin" <Benjamin@verizon . net > wrote in message
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>
> "John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
> news:46532d4b@quokka.wn . com .au...
> | Hello Ken,
> |
> | While I share some of your concerns
> | regarding the diagnosis of schizophrenia,
> | my interest in how general metabolic
> | changes can impact on behavior.
>
> The whole concept of "schizophrenia"
> is a hold-over from ancient 'times'.

Not that ancient, it was Kraeplin who came up with dementia precox so it is
not surprising that one of his colleagues was Louis Alzheimers ... .

The problem with schizophrenia Ken is that we are in this terrible position
of being able to identify a pathology but not being to sufficiently
delineate the symptoms in such a way as to clearly determine just what
"type" of shizophrenia. That's why I frequently refer to it as an umbrella
diagnosis. Which says nothing except the old refrain, "more research is
needed". This problem makes meta analyses very difficult because there is a
tendency to study schizophrenia as a homogenous condition whereas the
variability in symptoms and physical anomalies suggest otherwise. The
problem for the psychiatric community is that at present this issue is
largely intractable and the current treatments, while a huge improvement
over 30 years ago, cannot be said to addressing the root cause but rather
the symptoms. This is not so unique, many medical conditions are treated by
addressing the downstream effects rather than the actual cause. As Andreasen
has been suggesting in recent press releases, psychiatry needs to take stock
and start being more creative in its approch to these problems. Too much
paradigm paralysis.

Re: Schizophrenia and Aging

"John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
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|
| "Benjamin" <Benjamin@verizon . net > wrote in message
| news:PgK4i.9214$aj.6009@trndny06...
| >
| > "John H." <bingblat@goaway . com .au> wrote in message
| > news:46532d4b@quokka.wn . com .au...
| > | Hello Ken,
| > |
| > | While I share some of your concerns
| > | regarding the diagnosis of schizophrenia,
| > | my interest in how general metabolic
| > | changes can impact on behavior.
| >
| > The whole concept of "schizophrenia"
| > is a hold-over from ancient 'times'.
|
| Not that ancient, it was Kraeplin who
| came up with dementia precox so it is
| not surprising that one of his colleagues
| was Louis Alzheimers ... .

The "ancient" stuff to which I referred
goes way-back -- all the way to the
animals and first humans.

It's embedded in the vagueness of
the throw-hands-in-the-air 'concept'
of so-called "human nature" that's
routinely invoked whenever anything
'strange' happens in interactive dyn-
amics.

The 'vagueness' inherent is literally
learned -- passed-down intergener-
ationally, and literally 'blindly'-and-
automatically 'protected' because
any and all challenges to it 'blindly'
and automatically "induce" TD E/I(up)
'within' nervous systems, which,
'blindly'-and-automatically Directs
folks to 'move away from' doing
anything with respect to elimin-
ating the 'vagueness'.

In this 'way' the 'vagueness' is lit-
erally treated as if it's 'sacred' -- as
if it's a 'god'.

And it's 'funny' that folks 'wag-their-
heads' at the ancients because of
their poly-theisms, when 'modern'
folks still do exactly the Same-Stuff,
the only 'difference' being that, while
the ancients built stone temples to
their 'gods', 'modern' folks build
temples-of-vagueness to their 'gods',
what's common being the group-
wise 'acquiesence' to the 'gods ex-
istences', including the ravaging of
anyone who doesn't 'bow-down' to
the 'gods' :-]

| The problem with schizophrenia
| Ken is that we are in this terrible
| position of being able to identify
| a pathology but not being to suffic-
| iently delineate the symptoms in
| such a way as to clearly determine
| just what "type" of shizophrenia.

I've repeatedly worked-through the
neural dynamics of =all= that's en-
tailed.

It's all been adequately explained
in AoK, and the refs. cited in AoK,
all along.

See why I brought-up folks 'bowing-
down' to their 'gods'?

I discussed the same-stuff in the
context of Physics in another post
a few 'days' ago -- bebin quoting:

"I =long-ago= [1975-6 academic 'year']
Proved everything I've ever discussed
with respect to the SSW<->UES harm-
onics while Reifying nervous system
function -- by just 'reading' 'the' "brain",
and what occurs 'within' it [of course by
studying the experimental results pro-
duced by Neuroscientists.] I've been
working to communicate all of this
stuff to folks in b.n, all along. It's been
'Difficult' to do so because I had to
'work-around' [with respect to] the fact
that folks were previously-aware of the
False-finitization that holds that there're
'electrons orbiting a nucleus' in 'atoms',
which concept completely-'blinds' folks
to the more-than-half of physical reality
that's comprised of 'just'-energy flowing
in rigorous accord with WDB2T [which
is why I've 'had to' hammer so hard on
fundamental-'level' stuff -- folks'd not
be able to comprehend higher-'level'
stuff be-cause, until folks're able to un-
derstand the basics of TH, the old,
long-'familiar' False-finitization of 'dis-
crete-particle atoms' 'blinds' folks to
all of the stuff that TH Discloses [which
higher-'level' stuff I've not even been
'able' to begin to discuss -- because
folks'd've not been 'able' to understand
it if I did, =not= 'because' folks 'cannot',
but be-cause the old, long-'familiar'
stuff exists as "biological mass" in
folks' nervous systems, there exerting
physical inertia 'within' folks' cognitive
dynamics, thereby literally Directing
folks' cognitive dynamics to 'move
away from' TH's SSW<->UES harmon-
ics stuff -- which simultaneously 'moves'
folks' cognitive dynamics 'away from'
being 'able' to See "the rest" [even
though the =only= thing involved is
with respect to what's in, and not-in,
folks prior experience -- =not= in any-
thing that's innate 'within' folks' 'norm-
al' nervous systems.]"

End quoting from my other post.

| That's why I frequently refer to it as
| an umbrella diagnosis. Which says
| nothing except the old refrain, "more
| research is needed".

Or folks can just read AoK for-compre-
hension :-]

The "more research needed" is =done=
for folks in AoK.

Why folks "don't get it" is what, in part-
icular, I'm working to explain to folks
these 'days' here in b.n.

| This problem makes meta analyses
| very difficult because there is a tendency
| to study schizophrenia as a homogen-
| ous condition whereas the variability
| in symptoms and physical anomalies
| suggest otherwise.

Forgive me, Please, John but that's just
more of the ancient 'superstition' stuff
'blinding' folks to being able to See that,
if relative-randomness is allowed to oc-
cur 'within' a nervous system, the process-
es that embody memory and learning
within nervous systems will, themselves,
occur in relatively-random ways.

To the degree of such, "randomness"
is literally the absence-of-information-
content.

So it's not 'strange', at all, that, if relative-
randomness is allowed to occur 'within'
nervous systems, the nervous systems
will literally DIrect behavior in ways that
are absent-information-content.

How can I say it more-clearly?

| The problem for the psychiatric com-
| munity is that at present this issue is
| largely intractable and the current
| treatments, while a huge improvement
| over 30 years ago, cannot be said to
| addressing the root cause but rather
| the symptoms.

I agree.

And the so-called "treatments" just
literally perform chemical-surgery
upon nervous systems, =not= for
the benefit of the clients, but for the
relative-'ease' of the rest of 'society',
that couldn't care less about the
'clients'. The 'clients' are just more
'lab-rats' to Practitoners, who earn
comfortable livings doing what they
do that literally dumps the 'clients'
down-the-tubes.

"Too hard"?

Nope.

I 'had to' Study all that's inherent dur-
ing the course of developing NDT's
synthesis of the Neuroscience ex-
perimental results.

Then, when I'd tried for more than a
'decade' to =just= get the work I'd done
communicated, to no avail, I decided
to try to reach folks with NDT's stuff by
doing a hunger strike in Hartford, CT,
USA.

I =cleared= everything inherent with
the Mayor's Office and the Chief of
Police, giving them complete references,
explaining everything, and submitting to
any and all questions they had.

It was a First Amendment-Guaranteed-
Right thing.

I'd no intention of 'creating a scene', and
just laid-in-the-shade, waiting to "get-
hungry".

But a guy came, offerring me "a fully-fund-
ed, fully-equipped, lab" if I'd only end my
hunger strike.

I knew that, if one undertakes something
as 'extreme' as a "hunger strike", and
doesn't follow-through, one's "credibility"
is lost, so I told the guy that, when my
First Amendment action had run its course
[which I fully expected would take the form
of =someone= wanting to know about NDT's
stuff], I'd get back to him.

That was that.

Minutes later, the Police came with a little
old "candy-striper". She said to me, "You
really shouldn't be doing this, you know."

A 'diagnosis', as far as the Police were
concerned, they stepped-in, literally push-
ing this matronly Woman aside, and asked
me if I'd allow them to take me to "someone
who'd listen".

Thinking, "That was easy", I agreed, only
to see an ambulance pull-up.

I knew what that meant.

'knees-jerking' all over the place, but no-
body actually listening.

I've told the 'story' in more-detail in long-
ago posts, so I'll "cut to the chase."

I was dumped in a State Mental Institu-
tion, where I continued my hunger strike,
only to be =threatened= with "permanent
commitment", forced medication, being
tied-down to my bed -- even though =all=
I was doing was laying on my back, on
the bed, =conserving my energy= -- be-
cause I was still acting in a Constitution-
ally-Guaranteed way -- a Citizen, for good-
ness' sakes!

I gave-up my hunger strike about a week
later when a Nurse came into my room
crying. "Ken, you don't know what they're
going to do to you."

I took her Seriously.

I'm still working-on Fixing what's Wrong
in-there.

But, you see, John, I was in-there, see-
ing all the B. S. that goes on in such
places.

First-hand Experience, with respect to
which I =Know= Truth.

Folks being literally attacked with 'drugs'
forced-upon them, staff =throwing furniture=
around in the common room, staff stealing
clothing meant for the 'inmates'.

It was Jackass-stuff all over the place,
and there were only 2-3 People in the
whole place had a clue with respect to
anything that they did [one of these, lucky
for me, was the Nurse who'd intervened.
God Bless her, wherever she is these
'days'!]

My 'doctor' was =completely-ignorant=
with respect to very-basic Neuroscience.
I tested his understanding. He had =none=.

Then the staff Neurologist came to talk
with me. When he left, I heard him tell
folks in the office across the open door
from my room, "He knows more neuro-
science than anyone on the hospital
staff. [God Bless him, too.]

Then the place underwent a very-expens-
ive "make-over" [kind of like the TV show :-]
which was, I 'presume', because they
thought I was going to sue, or something.

I was happy that at least that much had
changed in the place -- brightened the
place up for those incarcerated there.

I cannot express my True Revulsion
at all I Saw while there.

It's =total-B.S.=

And it's another thing that I'm going
to Fix, not only in that one place, but
=everywhere=.

Forgive me, Please, I actually guard
the "fire" with respect to this stuff that
Needs to be accomplished, and the
"fire" glows a bit-more when I 'have to'
address this stuff.

I =Know= what goes on, John -- what
'passes' for 'care'.

It's a =sham=.

It's Horrendous.

Not fit for humans.

And all of it, born in absence-of-under-
standing 'posing' as 'understanding',
so arrogant that the folks there didn't
even 'bother' to read the personal ref-
erences that I'd =given= them, until
they thought I was going to sue them :-]

The 'doctor' being completely-ignorant
of nervous system stuff -- how can such
happen?

And I =Saw=, in this experience, what
must be the case =everywhere= be-
cause Connecticut is a Wealthy State.

So I Saw, also, that there was more that
Needed to be done.

I'm still working-on-it.

But please, John, spare me being
treated as if I "don't know". I studied
at a Medical School Library, there rub-
bing-elbows with both Students and
Teachers -- and seeing the Library
going mostly-unused.

I don't ever assert anything without
Knowing, with Certainty, Truth inherent.

So please spare me.

Perhaps you just misconstrue what is
my routine "casual" approach?

| This is not so unique, many medical
| conditions are treated by addressing
| the downstream effects rather than the
| actual cause.

Hell, John, I've been seeing the stuff I
discussed in the "NL-P-Medicine" thread
being ripped-off all over the place.

I'm not an M.D., but I know Medicine.

I Studies "Abnormal Psychology" both
as an undergrad and a graduate Student.

It's =all= B. S. that exists =only= because
folks don't understand how and why
nervous systems process information
via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-minimization --
because folks don't understand nervous
system function.

You know -- even though I just laid all
that's necessary to so-understand at
folks feet, asking nothing in-return ex-
cept that they just do the work inherent
in understanding what I'd given them.

The stuff I gave folks is =Priceless=.

I did receive something 'in-return'.

Being treated as some 'damnable-
criminal'.

| As Andreasen has been suggesting
| in recent press releases, psychiatry
| needs to take stock and start being
| more creative in its approch to these
| problems. Too much paradigm paralysis.

=All= of Medicine is lifting itself up in
analogous ways these 'days'.

I like to believe that I've had a role in
this =Wonderful= turn of events.

The "bottom-line" with respect to "me"
is that =no one= has anything to 'fear'
from me.

I want to die without "suing" anyone.

I've Promised to never accept anything
other than remuneration wor work that
I do.

I've Promised to just 'go away' when what
Needs to be done is =Done=.

[I'm not a 'masochist'. I just Saw folks
'fears', and did all that I could to amelior-
ate such. It's in the way that I Love. Do
what needs to be done to assist folks
in their Living. Unfortunately, other folks've
'taken-advantage' of the Promises that I
made to eliminate folks 'fears'. "Oh well."]

I'm hoping that there'll, then, be enough
left of me that I can make the trip to see
the Grand Canyon with my own eyes.

When I react "strongly", as I have in this
reply, it's =not= on my own behalf. I've
long-ago Forsworn 'in-return' stuff, so
how could it be?

My "strong" reactions are with respect
to my understanding how and why "the
round-about" stuff can be ab-used with
respect to =the understanding= -- to
'separate' =others= from the understand-
ing.

That's where I "draw the line."

Not with respect to myself, but with respect
to those who Suffer, still, be-cause NDT's
understanding has been actively-withheld
from them.

You know -- when folks in the correlated
Professions will not even meet with me,
in-person, it's good to "cover all the bases".

Which is what I've been doing in this
particular thread [as usual :-]

Cheers, John,

k. p. collins

While I'm 'steppin' in it'...

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=DO NOT= take this post personally.

It's =not= to Individuals.

It's to =everyone=, because I Love you,
and want, Mightily, to free you from the
grasp of 'the beast', "Abstract Ignorance."

So... while I'm "stepping' in it", I might
as well "step" a bit more.

What happens in =any= Profession in
which folks don't, yet' comprehend how
and why nervous systems process in-
formation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-
minimization is that folks go to School
as Students and, there, absorb =what-
ever= happens to be Taught.

Thereafter, the Students exist as mem-
bers of groups that cohere in the stuff
that they learned as Students.

Here's the important thing -- such groups
are self-sustaining on the bases of =no-
thing= more than the abstract fact that
the group members enable one another
to experience TD E/I-minimization via
their shared 'sustenance' of their rel-
atively-shared learning.

This happens in =all= fields of human
endeavor.

See the Problem?

It is that such group members 'presume'
that non-group-members are 'stupid'
simply because they don't share the group-
wise TD E/I-minimization that are shared
'within' the group.

Examples abound.

Students of Psychology and Psychiatry,
for instance, learn a bunch of rather neb-
ulous stuff, but haven't, yet, learned how
and why nervous systems work, yet, since
'all' of the group members 'agree' on their
own 'expertise' with respect to what is, in
fact, nervous system function, which the
group members, in actuality, don't com-
prehend, but nevertheless behave as if
they do -- when they 'treat' their clients
and patients.

See what's Sorrowfully-'funny' in-there?

It's like visually-impared folks acting as
guides for other folks who've been ravaged
by having strayed, unaware, into a savage
wilderness.

The blind guides just lead the ravaged
folks around in circles -- be-cause they
cannot see themselves [in both senses,
because the group-wise coherence in
what was learned does, in fact, enable
the blind guides to achieve TD E/I-min-
imization 'within' their own nervous sys-
tems, which leaves them 'presuming'
that the ravaged folks are just stupid.
So the blind guides can see =them-
selves= [because inertia inherent in
their educated-in groupwise TD E/I-
minimization literally blinds them to
their selfs, and they cannot see to act-
ually lead the ravaged folks out of the
savage wilderness.

The Same-Stuff happens all over the
place within human interactive dynamics,
never more-Tragically in the halls of
political leadership.

Folks attain mutual-TD E/I-minimization
capabilities and literally become blind
to everything else, which is everything
that actually Needs to be done on be-
half of Citizenries.

I mean =no= offense.

I mean just-the-opposite stuff.

I'm =Sorry=, but when folks come to un-
derstand how and why nervous systems
process information via 'blindly'-automated
TD E/I-minimization, folks will look-back,
aghast, at what they formerly accepted
as being "rational."

Folks 'presume' that I'm 'kidding' when I
say that there is 99% that I've not yet
been able to discuss.

But I'm =not= kidding.

I can't even begin to discuss the 99%-
stuff until folks can understand how and
why nervous systems process inform-
ation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min-
imization.

The twain are like 'night' and 'day' with
respect to what can actually be accom-
plished in them.

In the one, everything's 'mysterious'.

In the other, one just looks at anything
and Sees =everything= in it, about it,
and how and why whatever it is applies
'within' human interactive dynamics.

It's literally like 'night' and 'day'.

So I've "stepped."

If folks Look, they'll See that Jesus said
all of the above ~2,000 'years' ago.

I understand why He wept for Humanity.

He Lived in the light-of-'day' side of things.

Asked folks to go through the "narrow gate."

The "narrow gate" consists in understanding
how and why nervous systems process in-
formation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min-
imization.

Which, I understand, seems 'strange' to
folks.

But that's just because folks still Live in
the 'night' side of things.

You'll understand after you get the 1%-
stuff.

And your jaws'll just hang-down, aghast
at what was, awed by what, then, will be
right-there, plain to see.

By what's =always= been right-there,
plain to see.

But to which folks were blind.

Try to understand this -- I =want= to
give folks the 99%-stuff.

But there's nothing I can do about that
until folks understand the 1%-stuff.

And I'm getting old.

So there's got to be a better way than
piling-up words in NG posts.

Try to understand that which induces 'you'
to 'move away from' such.

I'll be offline for a while.

Gotta 'clean my shoes' a bit.

k. p. collins

Re: While I'm 'steppin' in it'...

In this post, I'll explain another way in
which 'reliance' in Mathematics mis-
leads and 'blinds' folks to Truth.

=Please=, I am =NOT= 'bashing' Maths.

I can't breathe without doing Maths. It's
in everything I do, but I do Maths in ways
that're not, yet, in standard-usage [as in
AoK, Ap6.]

So I'm =not= 'bashing' Maths. In this post
I'll =only= show how and why Maths, used
in standard ways that are taught in Science
curricula misleads and 'blinds' Students
to Truth.

OK?

It'll be a lifting-up, not a tearing-down.

So =Think=, instead of experiencing what I'll
discuss as 'an attack'.

This, in the "spirit of correction" and "being
corrected" that I discussed in another post,
'yesterday', with respect to political dynamics
here in the U. S. A. [and elsewhere.]

The =only= way in which I could Fail folks
would be if I Saw that folks were being mis-
led and 'blinded' by this or that, and not
explain to folks how and why they are, in
fact, being misled and 'blinded' by whatever
it is that's misleading and 'blinding' them.

I try to not-Fail in that 'way', even though,
to 'date', my 'reward' for doing so has
been to only be uniformely-reviled.

"Oh well."

The way I look at stuff like this is that I'm
literally saving folks who've been walking-
off cognitive-cliffs. And I do such =routinely=
in practically everything I do, online and off.

That I'm reviled because I do so is Sorrow-
fully-'funny' to me.

I can do it, even in the midst of the relative-
desolateness in which doing so leaves
'me', be-cause NDT's stuff enables me to
understand that what folks do to 'me' de-
rives in the fact that folks remain Victims
of their not, yet, understanding how and
why 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-minimiz-
ation literally dictates what they 'must'
think to them.

It's my way of =being-with= folks in what
remains their Victimization by 'the beast',
absence-of-understanding.

Anyway, this "preface" to the updates I'll
make to my previous "steppin' in it" post
is Necessary be-cause, over the course
of the last ~400 'years', folks've come to,
more and more, literally worship "maths"
as if it's some 'god'. [Such worship goes
all the way back to the Pythagoreans, but
it's been only in the past ~400 'years' that
the worship has literally become an inter-
national religion.]

It's be-cause, in this post, I'll expose this
"worship" for what it has been, that I must
anticipate folks' 'knee-jerks', which are the
Same-Stuff out of which the internecine
Savagery of what's been =all= 'religious'
conflicts has arisen.

So, "while I'm steppin' it", already being
"splattered in it", innumerable layers deep,
as a result of what've been my previous
rescue missions, I might as well do this
more of what Needs to be done before
'worrying' about the 'stink'.

I Love folks in this way.

To paraphrase Adm. Farragaut, "Damn
the stink! Full speed ahead!" :-]

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|
| =DO NOT= take this post personally.
|
| It's =not= to Individuals.
|
| It's to =everyone=, because I Love you,
| and want, Mightily, to free you from the
| grasp of 'the beast', "Abstract Ignorance."
|
| So... while I'm "stepping' in it", I might
| as well "step" a bit more.
|
| What happens in =any= Profession in
| which folks don't, yet' comprehend how
| and why nervous systems process in-
| formation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-
| minimization is that folks go to School
| as Students and, there, absorb =what-
| ever= happens to be Taught.
|
| Thereafter, the Students exist as mem-
| bers of groups that cohere in the stuff
| that they learned as Students.
|
| Here's the important thing -- such groups
| are self-sustaining on the bases of =no-
| thing= more than the abstract fact that
| the group members enable one another
| to experience TD E/I-minimization via
| their shared 'sustenance' of their rel-
| atively-shared learning.
|
| This happens in =all= fields of human
| endeavor.
|
| See the Problem?
|
| It is that such group members 'presume'
| that non-group-members are 'stupid'
| simply because they don't share the group-
| wise TD E/I-minimization that are shared
| 'within' the group.
|
| Examples abound.
|
| Students of Psychology and Psychiatry,
| for instance, learn a bunch of rather neb-
| ulous stuff, but haven't, yet, learned how
| and why nervous systems work, yet, since
| 'all' of the group members 'agree' on their
| own 'expertise' with respect to what is, in
| fact, nervous system function, which the
| group members, in actuality, don't com-
| prehend, but nevertheless behave as if
| they do -- when they 'treat' their clients
| and patients.

At the 'heart' of the above, exists the Maths-
worship that misleads and 'blinds' forlks
to Truth, in this case, in the form of the
Statistics requirements that're in virtual-
ly all Psychology and Sociology curricula.

The Problem inherent in the Maths-worship
that collectively results from such is that, 1.,
it instantiates a group-think which is 2. a co-
erced TD E/I-minimization =prerequisite=
that folks in the Stistics-trained group "tsk-
tsk"-ing out-group folks -- you know -- doing
"look-ing-down-noses" stuff which is =just=
the nebulous way in which what is the =act-
ual= absence-of-understanding that exists
'within' =both= in- and out-groups. The "neb-
ulous"-ness, inherent, being a direct meas-
ure of absence-of-understanding.

Because, see for yourself, the concept of
"standard deviation" has misled and 'blinded'
folks to the fact that TD E/I-minimization oc-
curs 'within' nervous systems.

"Huh?"

It's in the way that 'normal' ["bell"] curves hav-
ing the same "mean" overlay with respect to
"standard deviation".

Given 'normal' curves that all have the same
mean, 'normal' curves with relatively-large
standard deviations are "wide" and 'normal'
curves with relatively-small standard dev-
iations are relatively-narrow.

Understand?

What happens, that takes the form of a lit-
eral 'maths'-worship, is that the narrow
curve is given more 'credance' than the
wide curve. It's a 'maths'-worship because
it misleads and 'blinds' folks to the fact
that there's an entirely-different reality that
underpins the relative widths of the two
'normal' curves.

Understand?

Folks "stop-looking" beyond the Maths,
which leaves folks 'moving away from'
Truth, in this case, with respect to the
fact that it's nervous systems function
that 'seeks' 'the' anti-WDB2T-Direc-
tion that Determines behavioral man-
ifestations.

=Please= understand that I'm =not=
'bashing' anyone or anything.

I'm =just= trying to rescue folks from
what's been a collectively-coerced
Error that's misled and 'blinded' folks
to Truth because folks literally worship
'mathematics', treating it as if it's some
'god' that must be 'bowed-down' to, and
that, if it's not in the 'maths', "it's "nothing".

See what's =actually= going on in-there?

The group-wise-coerced training in
Statistics instantiates "biological mass",
having physically-real inertia, 'within' the
neural dynamics of nervous systems
that've been subjected to such training.

Thereafter, the inertia of the biological
mass that's been so-constructed lit-
erally predetermines that which in-group
members can 'think' -- be-cause the
inertia of the biological mass internal-
ly coerces TD E/I-minimization.

Understand?

It's all so Tragically-Sorrowful.

Good nervous systems, being virtually-
'blinded', by coerced-experience, from
being able to See what they innately
long to See, See?

And, trust me, it's Sorrowful in a very-
personal way to me -- because, having
long experience with respect to trying
to just give folks understanding that's
not already in what's been folks' routine
experience, and coming to understand,
as a result of this long experience, how
folks 'knee-jerk' with respect to one's
trying to give them understanding that's
not already in folks' 'familiar' experience,
and understanding how and why the
'reactive'-coercion that I wrote of in my
"On the Physics of Leadership" post,
'attacks' one in such circumstances,
on =my own= 'behalf', I feel strongly that
I 'want' to 'just remain silent' -- so I'll be
'spared' from becoming even-more-
Ravaged.

But I =cannot= 'move away from' Truth,
inherent, be-cause, if I were to do so,
I'd be declaring myself to be an 'awe-
some coward', who 'cares not' that
others are being Ravaged because
absence-of-understanding prevails,
still.

So =DO NOT= 'refrain' from whatever
what I've, once again, written makes
'you' feel like thinking.

Go ahead and 'let-it-out' -- so 'you' can
=get-over-it=.

I'm =not= 'bashing' =anyone= or =any-
thing=, except 'the beast', absence-of-
understanding, which has Ravaged
Humanity since the Beginning.

Absence-of-understanding is not some
'crime' that 'has to be' redressed in some
'dark-prison' of 'shame'.

Elimination of absence-of-understanding
is =ONLY= a cause for =Great-Joy= -- be-
cause, when absence-of-understanding
is Eliminated, to the degree of such, "man's
inhumanity to man" 'just' Disappears.

Humanity's self-Ravaging 'just' =Stops=.

So Eliminating absence-of-understanding
matters, Mightily, in that way [use "matters"
as a verb.]

And be =Gentle= with yourself, understand-
ing, as I do, that previously-existing biolog-
ical mass does have physically-real inertia
that doesn't just 'poof'-out-of-nervous sys-
tems on the mere writing of words.

Biological mass is physically-real stuff that
was constructed 'within' nervous systems
a by-products of the neural activation that
actually occurred 'within' nervous systems
in a way that's rigorously-coupled to all that
Individuals have actually =experienced=.

This means that, in order to eliminate form-
erly-constructed biological mass and the
misleading ['blinding'] inertia that it exerts
within neural dynamics, one =has to= en-
dure a 'passage' through the "zone of rand-
omness" [AoK, AP4] with respect the spec-
ific biological mass that is being "rendered
useless" [AoK, Ap8], which passage through
the ZoR takes the form of relatively-high TD
E/I 'within' a nervous system.

=Understand= that. Anticipate it.

Know that the engineered-in mechanism
of so-called "depression" =stands at the
ready=, within you, to comfort and calm
you while you endure your passage through
the ZoR with respect to the relatively-small,
but group-wise-ubiquitous, stuff that I've
discussed above.

I selected this "training exercise" =very=
carefully to be small, and precisely-defined,
but comprehensive with respect to the gen-
eral nervous system dynamics that are in-
herent in it -- explicitly with respect to giv-
ing folks a well-'contained' exercise with
respect to future, larger "passages" through
the ZoR that folks will encounter.

I'm "inoculating" folks with respect to
"passages through the zone of random-
ness."

I can See that folks're ready to 'move toward'
Truth, and I'm Keen to assist folks in any
way that I can do.

I Love folks in this way.

Go ahead and be 'angry'.

Go ahead and think whatever you want
to think with respect to me.

Be Gentle with yourself.

But do the work inherent in understanding,
gathering the Strength innate within you,
not 'moving away from' doing the physical-
ly-real work inherent in understanding.

Everything you need has been given to
you, in AoK, all along. If you want to go
further, you can follow the refs that're cited
in AoK, but AoK was written to be a self-
contained "toolkit" with respect to folks'
passages through the ZoR. What's in it
is all that's needed for =safe= "passages."

A few additional comments are added
below.

| See what's Sorrowfully-'funny' in-there?
|
| It's like visually-impared folks acting as
| guides for other folks who've been ravaged
| by having strayed, unaware, into a savage
| wilderness.
|
| The blind guides just lead the ravaged
| folks around in circles -- be-cause they
| cannot see themselves [in both senses,
| because the group-wise coherence in
| what was learned does, in fact, enable
| the blind guides to achieve TD E/I-min-
| imization 'within' their own nervous sys-
| tems, which leaves them 'presuming'
| that the ravaged folks are just stupid.
| So the blind guides [can't] see =them- <-edited
| selves= [because inertia inherent in
| their educated-in groupwise TD E/I-
| minimization literally blinds them to
| their selfs, and they cannot see to act-
| ually lead the ravaged folks out of the
| savage wilderness.
|
| The Same-Stuff happens all over the
| place within human interactive dynamics,
| never more-Tragically in the halls of
| political leadership.
|
| Folks attain mutual-TD E/I-minimization
| capabilities and literally become blind
| to everything else, which is everything
| that actually Needs to be done on be-
| half of Citizenries.
|
| I mean =no= offense.
|
| I mean just-the-opposite stuff.
|
| I'm =Sorry=, but when folks come to un-
| derstand how and why nervous systems
| process information via 'blindly'-automated
| TD E/I-minimization, folks will look-back,
| aghast, at what they formerly accepted
| as being "rational."
|
| Folks 'presume' that I'm 'kidding' when I
| say that there is 99% that I've not yet
| been able to discuss.
|
| But I'm =not= kidding.
|
| I can't even begin to discuss the 99%-
| stuff until folks can understand how and
| why nervous systems process inform-
| ation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min-
| imization.
|
| The twain are like 'night' and 'day' with
| respect to what can actually be accom-
| plished in them.
|
| In the one, everything's 'mysterious'.
|
| In the other, one just looks at anything
| and Sees =everything= in it, about it,
| and how and why whatever it is applies
| 'within' human interactive dynamics.
|
| It's literally like 'night' and 'day'.
|
| So I've "stepped."
|
| If folks Look, they'll See that Jesus said
| all of the above ~2,000 'years' ago.

If folks care to know, what happened
was that, while writing my previous post,
I realized that, in the "blind guides" dis-
cussion [above], I was just reiterating
stuff that Jesus had said, so, with such
realization, I was Obliged to cite priority,
and did so.

It's always like this whenever I write of
Jesus.

Jesus Knew! how nervous systems
work. Although I Believe He was doing
much more, while doing much more,
He was also Gently-Teaching with re-
spect to nervous system function.

More below.

| I understand why He wept for Humanity.
|
| He Lived in the light-of-'day' side of things.
|
| Asked folks to go through the "narrow gate."
|
| The "narrow gate" consists in understanding [***]
| how and why nervous systems process in- [***]
| formation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min- [***]
| imization. [***]

After I'd posted my prior msg, I realized
that the immediately-above stuff is very-
inadequately-stated, but I was Exhausted,
so I decided to "let it go until 'tomorrow.' "

Which is what redirected me back to this
post, which, after a 'night' spent in the
"database-walking" of sleeping-conscious-
ness, poured-out the "exercise" above.

But it was actually my wanting to 'move
toward' Truth in correcting my Error at
"***" above that led me to update this
post.

The "narrow gate" is =Truth=.

It's TD E/I-minimization that enables our
nervous systems to Direct our 'movements'
so as to enable us to literally 'move toward'
Truth.

| Which, I understand, seems 'strange' to
| folks.
|
| But that's just because folks still Live in
| t

Re: While I'm 'steppin' in it'...

"Benjamin" <Benjamin@verizon . net > wrote in message
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| [...]

| be =Gentle= with yourself,

and with =others=.

If you choose to do 'Difficult' things,
the burden, inherent, is on =you=,
not others, because it's =you= who
chose to do 'Difficult' things [as is
discussed in AoK, Ap7.]

You'll experience TD E/I(up) to the
degree that what you've chosen to
do is 'Difficult'.

=Understand= that, and that it's an
only-temporary thing with respect
to the passage through the ZoR
that's in =your= choice.

So do what Needs to be done, with
respect to your choice, =without=
hurting others.

Understand?

k. p. collins

On the Physics of Leadership

"Benjamin" <Benjamin@verizon . net > wrote in message
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| [...]

| [Sidebar: I learned about all of this
| stuff when I was in the same age-
| group in which the above dynamics
| occurred.
|
| My Dad was a strict disciplinarian,
| with a strong sense of Justice, my
| Mom was a Saint, also with a strong
| sense of Justice. The combination
| "innoculated" me [which was Dad's
| whole idea, and Mom just Loved
| without a "plan".]

'just'-Loving was mom's "Plan."

| So, when I went to school, I'd always
| "bristle" when I saw a Kid-in-danger
| being picked-on by the brutal group-
| wise dynamics that commonly occur
| amongst Children.

It's =Easy= to discern who the Children-
in-Danger are.

They go through the 'day' 'tentatively' be-
cause, since their 'familiar' external ex-
periential environments are relatively-
different from, say, in-school environ-
ments, these Children's nervous sys-
tems have to routinely do relatively-
more information-processing work
than do the nervous systems of other
Children who've experienced in ways
that're more-conformed to wider socie-
tal 'expectations'.

It's all 'just' relative-TD E/I-minimization.

But, be-sub-cause how and why nerv-
ous systems process in-formation via
'blindly'-automated TD E/I-minimization
has not been generally-comprehended,
the "widely-socialized" Children 'interp-
ret' the 'delay'-in-"responsiveness" as
'indicating' that the Children-in-Danger
are 'slow', when, Truth is, that the nerv-
ous systems of the Children-in-Danger
are 'just' having to do relatively-more in-
formation-processing work.

The absence-of-understanding is part-
icularly-viscious be-cause nervous sys-
tems are =innately= 'intuitively', if vague-
ly, 'aware' of the =net= dynamics, and
Children in the 'in-group' routinely 'seek-
advantage' [which is a Sorrowful-'prelude'
to 'adult' 'seeking-profits'] by 'bombarding'
'the' Child-in-Danger with 'demands' at
rates that're literally calculated [AoK, Ap6]
to thwart short-term TD E/I-minimization
dynamics 'within' 'the' Child-in-danger's
nervous system.

This is ["of course"] the =ancient= stuff
through which 'dominance'-heirarchies
are 'maintained' amongst members of
animal species. You know -- so-called
"pecking orders", etc.

See what's in-there?

'blindly'-automated "inducing" [AoK, Ap5]
of relative-randomness 'within' the nerv-
ous systems of the Children-in-Danger.

relative-randomness is relative-random-
ness.

To the degree that it exists 'within' a nerv-
ous system, the microscopic trophic mod-
ifications that're formed 'within' the nerv-
ous system [as directly-coupled results
of the neural activation that actually oc-
curs 'within' any nervous system] form
in a relatively-random way.

See what that means?

It means that, since the "micro-mods"
that literally embody "memory" and "learn-
ing" will literally enbody relative-random-
ness.

There's exactly-Zero 'mystery' inherent.

The micro-mods exist as biologically-
instantiated inertial mass which, there-
after, literally enter into 'the' nervous
system's TD E/I-minimization dynam-
ics in an =inertial= way.

But, "whoops-a-dasies!", since the
micro-mods embody relative-random-
ness, they also embody a virtual-inab-
ility to achieve TD E/I-minimization, the
'result' being that nervous systems
that've been so ab-used 'move', increas-
ingly, in 'the' WDB2T-Direction instead
of in 'the' anti-WDB2T-Direction.

What does all of this have to do with
"the Physics of Leadership"?

Groups are functional =only= to the
degree that group-wise-TD E/I-min-
imization occurs 'within' =all= of the
group's Individual nervous systems.

When folks talk about so-called "mor-
ality", it's this group-wise-TD E/I-min-
imization that folks are 'trying' to ad-
dress.

The 'only' Problem inherent is that,
since folks don't know how and why
nervous systems process in-form-
ation via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-
minimization discussions of 'moral-
ity' are False before they even begin.

Understand?

Absence-of-understanding =always=
'works' in this 'way' -- defeats =every-
thing= before it even begins.

To this 'day', for instance, in a way
that probably has Darwin 'turning-over-
in-his-grave', folks 'invoke' "survival
of the fittest" to 'justify' practically ev-
ery Cruel thing that folks do to one
another, including in the "inducing"-
of-relative-randomness 'within' the
nervous systems of Children-in-
Danger that I discussed above.

See the =HUGE= Problem inherent?

Behavioral 'strategies' that act to im-
pose TD E/I(up) 'within' and across
societal-groups =always= 'only' de-
creases the net-ability of the group
to accomplish =anything=.

Yet one who reads Newspapers can
See such in the stuff that's Reported
='daily'=.

The Problem, inherent, is a 'Difficult'
one -- be-cause the =ancient= 'ways'
are, themselves, literally embodied
in micro-mods 'within' nervous sys-
tems as Children experience the
stuff that their Parents experienced
when =they= were Children -- back
through generations -- the stuff so-
learned always being relatively-
'blindly-automated 'because', "Aft-
er all, they're only children" :-[

And so folks literally learn to behave
like chickens in a barnyard, even
though it's =innate= within human
nervous systems to be able to under-
stand how and why nervous systems
process in-formation via 'blindly'-auto-
mated TD E/I-minimization and, thus,
to understand how and why "inducing"
relative-randomness 'within' others'
nervous systems 'only' literally injures
one's =own= TD E/I-minimization dyn-
amics -- be-cause those nervous sys-
tems into which relative-randomness
was "induced" go on to drive behavioral
manifestations in the relatively-random
'ways' that include flying planes into
buildings, mass-shootings, entertain-
ment-zone violence, drive-by shootings,
lie-cheat-and-steal 'business practices',
'engineering'-shortcuts with respect to
so-called "medicines" that do more
harm than good, and, in-general, in-
stantiating working 'conditions' that,
mostly, 'just' send energy to Waste,
and, when TD E/I augments to degrees
that exceed group-wise amygdalar-
priming thresholds [AoK, Ap5] =War=
happens.

See the "Physics of Leadership"?

"Leadership" =must= Lead in ways
that Prosper the =whole= Citizenry.

With respect to national Leaders, they
are =not= Responsible with respect
to =their own= Citizenries. They are
Responsible to =all= of Humanity, be-
cause, as above.

Anything less than this "sows the seeds
of its own wearing of chains" [A. Lincoln],
as I've discussed above.

It's a ='Difficult'= Problem, the =ONLY=
Solution to which is the Physics I've
discussed above in the context of "Lead-
ership" -- enable folks to understand
how and why nervous systems process
in-formation via 'blindly'-automated TD
E/I-minimization.

I'm keen on all that's inherent, just 'now',
because of Reports that've appeared
in the News with respect to President
Carter's recent comments with respect
to President Bush's Administration.

1. Freedom of Speech is a Constitu-
tionally-Guaranteed First Amendment
Right of Citizens of America. So it's de-
plorable-in-the-extreme that President
Carter's comments have been met
with only knee-jerk responses on the
parts of folks in 'government'.

2. Be-cause the knee-jerks in 1. are
literally the stuff of the school-bully
stuff that I discussed above.

The whole 'u. s. government' is literally
Paralyzed be-cause, rather than actually
=Leading= it routinely descends into
these behavioral dynamics that're not
even worthy of school yards.

Almost everything sent to Waste be-
cause folks Elected to =Lead= are,
instead, behaving like school-yard
'bullies' -- as above, inducing TD E/I(up)
'within' nervous systems 'because' it's
Erroneously 'thought' that "that is the
appropriate way to use power."

It isn't -- be-cause, just as in the
school-yard case, it literally imposes
what'll =Certainly= subsequently be
group-wise TD E/I-minimization dyn-
amics that literally thwart the real Goals
of Leadership.

Understand?

It's the whole Reason that led me to
drop-everything in order to drag NDT's
understanding out of the nothingness.

To give folks =Reason= to stop thwarting
their own Hopes and Dreams for a
better world.

It's been Sorrowfully-'hilarious' to've
witnessed the 'way' that the 'school-yard
bullies' have 'moved away from' NDT's
stuff.

Because it was done =for them=, too.

Anyway, I've used a lot of words, above,
because folks're 'afraid' of Physics, but the
Physics inherent is extremely-simple.

'heart' = TD E/I(down) [AoK, Ap4],

and it can be traced through =all= behav-
ioral dynamics, as I have, for instance,
done above, in words, with respect to
"Leadership."

The thing to do with "criticism" is =not=
to 'flip-it-off', but to see it as it is -- "crit-
icism", with respect to which one can
adjust one's course.

Which makes the prevailing 'condemn-
ation' of 'flip-flopping', that's been as a
death-knell within 'americal politics',
only more that's Sorrowfully-'hilarious'.

If Leaders are not allowed to manifest
the results of =Learning=, then how can
anything ever change for the better?

the 'condemnation' is 'just' more of the
'school-yard bully' stuff that I discussed
early in this post, doing the Same-Stuff
to =America= and =all= of Her =Citizens=.

Be-cause 'leadership' 'moves away from'
Truth, laid at its feet.

You know -- =everyone= 'afraid' to =just=
do what Needs to be done -- because,
across Citizenries, folks exist in absence-
of-understanding with respect to how and
why nervous systems process in-formation
via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-minimization.

Such doesn't work.

Gaining understanding that enables
the Fixing of what Needs-Fixing is =only=
cause for Joy.

Why is it that such Precious stuff is
treated as 'taboo' here in America?

Recurse to the top of this discussion.

It's the Same-Stuff that inflicts such,
at all scales, literally taught in early
experience, blamed on the Victims.

Why not just understand, and let
understanding be as a guide?

Instead of "feigning" 'power' [AoK, Ap7],
whether it be in 'psychology' and 'psychiatry',
or in 'government'.

[Anyway, see why I expect nothing in-return? :-]

Clarifications of stuff in my prior post:

| And I'd go and literally rescue the Kids
| who were being subjected to such.
|
| I did so much of this Kindergarten
| through High School that, although
| I've always been a stand-on-my-own-
| two-feet, go-my-own-way kind of guy,
| I was surprised when my classmates
| [...]

and 'under'-class Students, who were
allowed to vote, too

| It really is funny -- I had to be =in-bed=
| every night by 10:00pm all the way
| through high school,

because my Mom would wake me, six
'days' a 'week', at 4:45am so I could
deliver my Newspapers [which I enjoyed
doing, but the getting-up was, most-often,
a bit hard-to-do because I'd think a lot
before I got to sleep each 'night' :-]

I'd always come home to a really-good
breakfast that Mom had prepared -- her
Way of being-with-me as I tried to get folks
their Papers in 'time' to have with their own
breakfasts -- heat, cold, rain, snow, vicious-
dogs, Christmas advertisements -- "what-
ever".

Best Job I've ever had :-]

k. p. collins