the facts

the facts

the facts for mind/brain monoism are none

there is only associative evidence between the mind and brain

there is no causal evidence whatsoever

it is just as valid of a theory that the mind causes chemical changes in
the brain, as the theory that chemical changes in the brain cause the mind

there is no causal evidence whatsoever


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Dale
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Re: the facts

People with no brains have no minds either.

Nice in bed and as statues for the hall but need cleaning, feeeding and so
forth, de-licing in important too.


"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast,net > wrote in message
news:LsadnZhBUNzZYyfYnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast,com ...
> the facts for mind/brain monoism are none
>
> there is only associative evidence between the mind and brain
>
> there is no causal evidence whatsoever
>
> it is just as valid of a theory that the mind causes chemical changes in
> the brain, as the theory that chemical changes in the brain cause the mind
>
> there is no causal evidence whatsoever
>
>
> --
> Dale
> http :// www .vedantasite.org

Re: the facts

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:06:40 +0000, Me wrote:

> People with no brains have no minds either.


there are many entities that live without bodies

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Re: the facts

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:57:36 +0000, Me wrote:

> People with no bodies don't exist.


there is still no evidence that the brain causes the mind, all there is,
is, associative evidence, we have more evidence that it is the mind that
makes the decisions, NOT the body

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Re: the facts

The mind is like the weather. the weather is composed of wind,
temperature ... . "Mind" is the same sort of concept. The weather is
not a thing, it is an experience of things. "Mind" is not a thing, it
is our experience of a person's behavior. We talk about minds the same
way we talk about the weather. These are simply conceptual
conveniences. "Mind" does not exist. If you don't believe me, just go
and look at what happens to some people after brain damage. Completely
different "mind", even in the absence of any cognitive deficits.

On Jan 29, 7:32 am, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:57:36 +0000, Me wrote:
> > People with no bodies don't exist.there is still no evidence that the brain causes the mind, all there is,
> is, associative evidence, we have more evidence that it is the mind that
> makes the decisions, NOT the body
>
> --
> Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org

Re: the facts

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:03:15 -0800, John H. wrote:

> "Mind" does not exist.

mind is not experience, the mind exists

>If you don't believe me, just go
> and look at what happens to some people after brain damage.


the sensors and senses change and experience of such changes, but the mind
itself does not change

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Re: the facts

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:52:49 +0000, Me wrote:

> If you chop off the frontal lobe there is no mind.


wrong, it just removes the sensors and senses from the body, not the mind

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Re: the facts

On Jan 30, 6:10 am, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast,net > wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:52:49 +0000, Me wrote:
> > If you chop off the frontal lobe there is no mind.
>
> wrong, it just removes the sensors and senses from the body, not the mind
>
> --
> Dale http :// www .vedantasite.org

Who said anything about frontal lobotomy? Hell, a person can receive a
good knock on the head and be unconscious for only a few minutes, with
no discernable injury, and become a different person.

Re: the facts

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:40:38 -0800, John H. wrote:

> Who said anything about frontal lobotomy? Hell, a person can receive a
> good knock on the head and be unconscious for only a few minutes, with
> no discernable injury, and become a different person.


his perceptions change and it takes time to get used to different
perceptions, that is all that happens

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Re: the facts


"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast,net > wrote in message
news:LsadnZhBUNzZYyfYnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast,com ...
> the facts for mind/brain monoism are none
>
> there is only associative evidence between the mind and brain
>
> there is no causal evidence whatsoever
>
> it is just as valid of a theory that the mind causes chemical changes in
> the brain, as the theory that chemical changes in the brain cause the mind
>
> there is no causal evidence whatsoever


I think it is clear that there is an equilibrium between thought
production and ability to turn on certain genes and influence neuro
hormones, and vice versa.

Re: the facts

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:11:56 -0500, Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:

> I think it is clear that there is an equilibrium between thought
> production and ability to turn on certain genes and influence neuro
> hormones, and vice versa.


there is only associative neuroscience, no proof of cause and effect


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