Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Pixie wrote:
> On Apr 24, 8:40 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> hahaha not as ignorant as you, it doesnt take too much of a brain cell
> to figure out if one is going to reply to a post, you hit the reply
> button under the post you are RESPONDING TO! geez, maybe you should
> review how to use ngs!

No, I was responding to YOUR defense of the ignorant spammer who
produced this thread. Do you or do you not assert that antidepressants
cause violent behavior?

Pixie wrote:
> and you never cited any evidence that this assertion is false when i
> asked you to, therefore you are not defending your position at all.
> anyway, there is no "logic of her position" she was citing evidence,
> something i havent seen you do.

Demonstrating false logic doesn't require one to "produce evidence".

Pixie wrote:
> she cited evidence, you didnt. therefore you have to supply evidence
> that her evidence is false through scientific studies of her theory,
> um, which you didnt provide.

The evidence she "cited" was her blog. That doesn't qualify as "citing
evidence".

Pixie wrote:
> well, thats one piece of evidence you didnt supply, isnt it?

Invalid. A youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor is not a
reliable source. If she wants to prove her point, she needs to point
to published medical journals and peer-reviewed studies. Has she done
that? No. Hence, bullshit.

Pixie wrote:
> thats marketing babe, suck it up. surely you have seen marketing you
> dont like before havent you?

No, this is called "spam", and I'm quite sure her webhost would be
very interested in her usenet activities...

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

On Apr 24, 7:16 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> > On Apr 24, 8:40 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > hahaha not as ignorant as you, it doesnt take too much of a brain cell
> > to figure out if one is going to reply to a post, you hit the reply
> > button under the post you are RESPONDING TO! geez, maybe you should
> > review how to use ngs!
>
> No, I was responding to YOUR defense of the ignorant spammer who
> produced this thread. Do you or do you not assert that antidepressants
> cause violent behavior?

WELL MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND, you just stated that:
----------------------------------------
This thread is in response
to spam by ignorant shill Brittany asserting that anti-depressants
cause
people to develop violent tendencies. I'm merely demonstrating the
false
logic of that position.
----------------------------------------

so which fucking one is it, are you responding to MY POST, or HERS?

> Pixie wrote:
> > and you never cited any evidence that this assertion is false when i
> > asked you to, therefore you are not defending your position at all.
> > anyway, there is no "logic of her position" she was citing evidence,
> > something i havent seen you do.
>
> Demonstrating false logic doesn't require one to "produce evidence".


she wasnt doing anything but posting a link someone may be interested
in, if YOU ARE NOT, IGNORE IT. SHE WASNT DRAFTING THE MAGNA CARTA. she
posted a fucking youtube link you nitwit.


> The evidence she "cited" was her blog. That doesn't qualify as "citing
> evidence".

so she posted a blog someone might be interested in, you are not, but
you have no right to say no one else is.

> Pixie wrote:
> > well, thats one piece of evidence you didnt supply, isnt it?
>
> Invalid. A youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor is not a
> reliable source. If she wants to prove her point, she needs to point
> to published medical journals and peer-reviewed studies. Has she done
> that? No. Hence, bullshit.

SHE DIDNT ASK TO PROVE HER POINT SHE WAS POSTING A YOUTUBE LINK OR
WHATEVER, she posted a BLOG. she didnt enter into a debate on fucking
theory.
who the fuck cares if its bullshit, she has the right to post it and
others have the right to decide for themselves whether its bullshit.
you are not the fucking saviour of the human race.

> Pixie wrote:
> > thats marketing babe, suck it up. surely you have seen marketing you
> > dont like before havent you?
>
> No, this is called "spam", and I'm quite sure her webhost would be
> very interested in her usenet activities...

yeah, perhaps trolling isnt looked upon too greatly either. especially
from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications arent mind
altering. thats bullshit too and we arent throwing your ass out Just
report her then and stfu! all this bullshit especially from some prick
that hates scientology and all his posts on usenet are on ARS, its
really a bit rich, throwing stones and glass houses come to mind.
report her and stfu.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Pixie wrote:
> so which fucking one is it, are you responding to MY POST, or HERS?

I'm responding to YOUR post in DEFENSE OF HERS. Goddamn it. I'd say that
you have the intellectual capacity of a cactus, but I'd be insulting the
intelligence of cacti.

Pixie wrote:
> she wasnt doing anything but posting a link someone may be interested
> in

No, she's spamming. How the fuck is this anti-psychiatry bullshit
related to anything that would be ontopic in alt.suicide.methods? Or
alt.suicide.holiday? Or alt.religion.scientology?


Pixie wrote:
> especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
> arent mind altering.

Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:

> Pixie wrote:
> > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
>
> > arent mind altering.
>
> Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.

let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.

please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
mind.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Pixie wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> Pixie wrote:
>>> especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
>> > arent mind altering.
>>
>> Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
>> structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
>> problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> DIFFERENTLY.

They do not alter thought processes, nor do they alter behavior
processes. They alter the chemical structure of your body. Your brain
also alters the chemical structure of your body, and both produces and
reacts to various chemicals.

I'm not a neuroscientist, so my understanding may be a bit off. On the
other hand, I'd lay money that you are not a neuroscientist, either.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

On Apr 24, 11:21 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:

> >> Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> >> structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> >> problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> They do not alter thought processes,

Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
is it meant to do then?

> nor do they alter behavior
> processes.

ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
ran around like nut baskets?

have you ever drank anything alcoholic? were your thought processes
not altered? did you not behave differently?


> They alter the chemical structure of your body. Your brain
> also alters the chemical structure of your body, and both produces and
> reacts to various chemicals.

but you are arguing that it changes the chemicals and not someone's
behaviour. when you add in different chemicals to a system, does it
not change? anyway, you dont ALTER the chemical STRUCTURE of
something, you add in something that alters the neurotransmittors, the
chemical *structure* is not changed.

> I'm not a neuroscientist, so my understanding may be a bit off. On the
> other hand, I'd lay money that you are not a neuroscientist, either.

I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.

Psychiatrists give medicine to alter BEHAVIOUR, if medicines did NOT
alter behaviour, why would they give them?

Well, perhaps we could ask Eli Lilly! http :// pi.lilly,com /us/prozac.pdf`
whether prozac alters behaviour?
--------------------------
Black box warning:
WARNING
"Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
risk compared to
placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
adolescents, and young
adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
other psychiatric
disorders."

"All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
should be monitored
appropriately and observed closely for clinical worsening,
suicidality, and UNUSUAL CHANGES IN BEHAVIOUR, especially during the
initial few months of a course of drug therapy, or at times
of dose changes, either increases or decreases.
The following symptoms, ANXIETY, AGITATION, PANIC ATTACKS, INSOMNIA,
IRRITABILITY, HOSTILITY,
AGGRESSIVENESS, IMPULSIVITY, AKATHISIA (psychomotor restlessness),
HYPOMANIA, and MANIA, have
BEEN REPORTED in adult and pediatric patients being TREATED with
antidepressants for major
depressive disorder as well as for other INDICATIONS, both psychiatric
and NONPSYCHIATRIC.


"Interference with Cognitive and Motor Performance — Any psychoactive
drug may impair
judgment, thinking, or motor skills, and patients should be cautioned
about operating hazardous
machinery, including automobiles, until they are reasonably certain
that the drug treatment does
not affect them adversely.
Discontinuation of Treatment with Prozac — During marketing of Prozac
and other SSRIs
and SNRIs (serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors), there
have been spontaneous
reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these
drugs, particularly when
abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability,
agitation, dizziness, sensory
disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations),
anxiety, confusion, headache,
lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, and hypomania."

SIDE EFFECTS:
"Events are classified within body system categories using the
following definitions: frequent
adverse events are defined as those occurring on one or more occasions
in at least 1/100 patients;
infrequent adverse events are those occurring in 1/100 to 1/1000
patients; rare events are those
occurring in less than 1/1000 patients.

Nervous System — FREQUENT: AGITATION, amnesia, CONFUSION, EMOTIONAL
LIABILITY sleep
disorder; Infrequent: abnormal gait, acute brain syndrome, akathisia,
apathy, ataxia, buccoglossal
syndrome, CNS depression, CNS stimulation, DEPERSONALISATION,
EUPHORIA, HALLUCINATIONS,
HOSTILITY, hyperkinesia, hypertonia, hypesthesia, incoordination,
libido increased, myoclonus,
neuralgia, neuropathy, NEUROSIS, PARANOID REACTION, PERSONALITY
DISORDER2, PSYCHOSIS, vertigo;
Rare: abnormal electroencephalogram, ANTISOCIAL REACTION, circumoral
paresthesia, coma,
DELUSIONS, dysarthria, dystonia, extrapyramidal syndrome, foot drop,
hyperesthesia, neuritis,
paralysis, reflexes decreased, reflexes increased, stupor.
--------------------------------------

.... and that is only listing the NERVOUS SYSTEM side effects, perhaps
you would like to peruse the rest yourself.

but of course these are INFREQUENT side effects, in between 1/100 or
1/1000, so lets calculate shall we?

"Today, Prozac, taken by 40 million people worldwide" 40,000,000/100 =
that means between 400,000 and 40,000 EXTRA people are running around
with hallucinations, depersonalisation, hallucinating, hostile,
neurotic and paranoid, with personality disorders, psychosis and
delusions.

That is not to mention those that have the frequent side effects of
AGITATION, CONFUSION, and EMOTIONAL LABILITY in at least 400,000.
However of course, it is not just 1/100 is it?
-----------------------------------------
well not according to ELi Lilly's papers that were disclosed by CNN
( http :// www .cnn,com /2005/HEALTH/01/03/prozac.documents/index.html )

"CNN) -- An internal document purportedly from Eli Lilly and Co. made
public Monday appears to show that the drug maker had data more than
15 years ago showing that patients on its antidepressant Prozac were
far more likely to attempt suicide and show hostility than were
patients on other antidepressants and that the company attempted to
minimize public awareness of the side effects...
....In the paper, titled "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine
clinical trials," the authors said that the drug may produce
nervousness, anxiety, agitation or insomnia in 19 percent of patients,
and sedation in 13 percent of patients."

therefore that changes the calculations to 7,600,000 extra people
running around agitated and confused. I bet NOT ONE of these people
owns a gun now, do they?
-----------------------------------------------

So, there you have it ELi Lily KNEW from clinical trials it made
people more suicidal and hostile compared to others on other
antidepressants.
--------------------------------------------------

HOWEVER, there is ONE THING ELI LILLY DOESNT KNOW Jeff, which YOU HAVE
TO TELL THEM, because YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS THIS: you really
must tell them that prozac does NOT in fact ALTER BEHAVIOUR, OR
THOUGHT PROCESSES because for some strange reason, they REALLY THINK
IT DOES! you really must correct them.


Anyway, I hope you enjoyed our little jaunt into the world of prozac
as exposed by Eli Lily which is evidenced by clinical trials and
helped exposed your darling news team CNN.

But you know what? I bet they are ALL SECRET SCIENTOLOGISTS MAKING
THIS ALL UP with my well cited scientific evidence (well, as
scientific as Eli Lilly can manage), perhaps you should blow the
whistle on them, and say they are making this ALL UP just to piss off
people like you.

p.s. I apologise about your lack of scientific education it was not
correct of me to assume that you had one when one started to make
claims about pharmaceuticals.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

oh shit, i cited a wrong source, Eli Lilly NOW claims that 50 million
people take prozac, and a few other interesting "missing clinical
trial documents" from court cases too:

http :// news.scotsman,com /latestnews/US-drug-company-knew-that.2591580.jp

but remember, reading the scotsman, you have to be REALLY careful,
there are a hell of a lot of scientologists in Scotland.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Pixie wrote:
> Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
> antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
> is it meant to do then?

We're discussing antidepressants, dipshit. Stop trying to change the
subject due to the fact that you are an obvious moron.

Pixie wrote:
>> nor do they alter behavior
>> processes.
>
> ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
> someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
> depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
> your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
> if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
> behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
> ran around like nut baskets?

My point is thus: A person on antidepressants still have the choice to
stay in bed all day. A person on Ritalin still has the choice to run
around like nut baskets. That behavior is, indeed, a choice behavior.
Medication only serves to make that choice a possibility.

Pixie wrote:
> I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
> qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.

Actually, you've proven yourself as an illogical and irrational moron
time and time again. But I'll let you have your fantasy. I'm sure you
can discuss it with your psychiatrist later on. "Someone was mean to me
on the internet!"

Pixie wrote:
> Black box warning:
> WARNING
> "Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
> risk compared to
> placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
> adolescents, and young
> adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
> other psychiatric
> disorders."

Antidepressants are shown to increase thoughts of suicide in people who
already have such thoughts. But suicide is, and ultimately remains, a
choice behavior. No antidepressant can *force* a person to kill himself,
which is the argument it seems you try to make. Nor can any
antidepressant *force* a person to turn into a homicidal maniac (and
there is no evidence that it even has the ability to influence such
behavior in the first place)

Pixie wrote:
> "All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
> should be monitored appropriately and observed closely

This is worth highlighting. I am surprised that you would dare quote
something which expressly states that people on antidepressants should
have medical supervision, given your irrational hatred of psychiatrists,
psychologists, and general practitioners.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

On Apr 25, 2:11 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> > Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
> > antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
> > is it meant to do then?
>
> We're discussing antidepressants, dipshit. Stop trying to change the
> subject due to the fact that you are an obvious moron.


WELL, If you cant READ AN ENTIRE PAGE ON PROZAC WITHOUT REALISING ITS
ABOUT ANTIDEPRESSANTS your a bit of an idiot, arent you?


> > ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
> > someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
> > depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
> > your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
> > if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
> > behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
> > ran around like nut baskets?
>
> My point is thus: A person on antidepressants still have the choice to
> stay in bed all day. A person on Ritalin still has the choice to run
> around like nut baskets. That behavior is, indeed, a choice behavior.
> Medication only serves to make that choice a possibility.

REALLY?? Does that mean that when you drink ALCOHOL you have THE
CHOICE TO BE INTOXICATED??


> Pixie wrote:
> > I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
> > qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.
>
> Actually, you've proven yourself as an illogical and irrational moron
> time and time again.

BUT OF COURSE BECAUSE I CITED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE SUPPORTED BY THE
DRUG MAKER, AND VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING USA, UK, and OTHER
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES! AND WHAT DID YOU CITE? JACK SHIT

> But I'll let you have your fantasy. I'm sure you
> can discuss it with your psychiatrist later on. "Someone was mean to me
> on the internet!"
>

Your hardly mean, more like an ignorant cunt.

> Pixie wrote:
> > Black box warning:
> > WARNING
> > "Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
> > risk compared to
> > placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
> > adolescents, and young
> > adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
> > other psychiatric
> > disorders."
>
> Antidepressants are shown to increase thoughts of suicide in people who
> already have such thoughts. But suicide is, and ultimately remains, a
> choice behavior. No antidepressant can *force* a person to kill himself,
> which is the argument it seems you try to make. Nor can any
> antidepressant *force* a person to turn into a homicidal maniac (and
> there is no evidence that it even has the ability to influence such
> behavior in the first place)

REALLY? I PRESUME IT DOESNT FORCE THEM TO BECOME PSYCHOTIC EITHER DOES
IT? OF COURSE NOT! YOU GET TO CHOOOOOOOOSE WHICH SIDE EFFECT YOU WANT,
DONT YOU??

> Pixie wrote:
> > "All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
> > should be monitored appropriately and observed closely
>
> This is worth highlighting. I am surprised that you would dare quote
> something which expressly states that people on antidepressants should
> have medical supervision, given your irrational hatred of psychiatrists,
> psychologists, and general practitioners.

I dont hate them I THINK THEY ARE STUPID! BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE HANDING OUT or the side effects because the companies cover
up their clinical trials. just read the fucking articles if you have
a brain cell. there's buckets of them.

You didnt read a fucking bit of it did you, well that CITED EVIDENCE
IT CHANGES BEHAVIOUR, you dumb prick.

Jesus, even trying to educate you is a fucking waste, your parents
must be ashamed.

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Pixie wrote:
> Your hardly mean, more like an ignorant cunt.

Psychological projection, much? Oops, that's one of those "psych" words.
My bad.

Pixie wrote:
> REALLY? I PRESUME IT DOESNT FORCE THEM TO BECOME PSYCHOTIC EITHER DOES
> IT? OF COURSE NOT! YOU GET TO CHOOOOOOOOSE WHICH SIDE EFFECT YOU WANT,
> DONT YOU??

Psychosis isn't a "behavior".

Pixie wrote:
> I dont hate them I THINK THEY ARE STUPID!

And I'm sure they feel the same way about you. But before you use that
to justify another psych-rant, keep in mind that the general population
feels the exact same way.

Pixie wrote:
> You didnt read a fucking bit of it did you, well that CITED EVIDENCE
> IT CHANGES BEHAVIOUR, you dumb prick.

I'm not here to debate the evidence. I'm here to debate the false logic
and idealogical totalitarianism. There is evidence that anti-depressants
are associated with an increased risk of suicide. I don't debate that.
I'm debating the ridiculous logical fallacies that you and Brittany find
so popular and use to justify your "PSYCHIATRY IS DESIGNED TO FLEECE
YOUR MONEY AND POISON YOUR MIND" bullshit.

Pixie wrote:
> Jesus, even trying to educate you is a fucking waste, your parents
> must be ashamed.

I'm sure they'd be quite proud, actually, wherever they may be. But
thank you, regardless.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the
Gerry Armstrong case:

"In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights,
the organization over the years with its 'fair game' doctrine has
harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives
as enemies."

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)


> I'm not here to debate the evidence. I'm here to debate the false logic
> and idealogical totalitarianism. There is evidence that anti-depressants
> are associated with an increased risk of suicide. I don't debate that.
> I'm debating the ridiculous logical fallacies that you and Brittany find
> so popular and use to justify your "PSYCHIATRY IS DESIGNED TO FLEECE
> YOUR MONEY AND POISON YOUR MIND" bullshit.

no, i dont, i dont personally think they are smart enough to PURPOSELY
DO IT, they arent designed to do it dont be retarded. they are too
stupid to design such a cunning plan they are not inheretly evil they
are STUPID and dont know jack shit about what they are prescribing
because the government knocks meds through too much, pharmaceutical
companies BRIBE DOCTORS TOO MUCH, there is not enough research etc. it
isnt a cunning plan, its their LACK OF PLAN.

i never said such a thing,"PSYCHIATRY IS DESIGNED TO FLEECE
> YOUR MONEY AND POISON YOUR MIND" i said they were stupid and didnt know what they were playing with and they play with fire. forget about all this medical supervision nonsense. doctors are fed this bullshit that these things are not addictive and do not supervise a suitable withdrawal process BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO! they tell you you can stop the thing cold turkey.

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http :// news.scotsman,com /latestnews/Antidepressants-are-vastly-overprescribed.2585803.jp

http :// news.scotsman,com /latestnews/GPs-forced-to-prescribe-too.2516063.jp

http :// news.scotsman,com /latestnews/SSRIs-link-to-bleeding.2263319.jp

http :// news.scotsman,com /comment/Drug-firms-are-addicted-to.2760000.jp

http :// news.scotsman,com /latestnews/Depression-drugs-risk-to-newborns.2749381.jp

http :// news.scotsman,com /comment/Hey-cheer-up-were-unhappy.3286276.jp

http :// news.scotsman,com /latestnews/Antidepressant-may-actually-make-sufferers.2654473.jp


"Antidepressants are shown to increase thoughts of suicide in people
who
already have such thoughts. "

no, mr. brain box, there is a difference between being deoressed and
suicidal and what about all those clinical trials of HEALTHY
VOLUNTEERS?

http :// www .antidepressantsfacts,com /Traci-Johnson-19-duloxetine2.htm
http :// www .antidepressantsfacts,com /Traci-Johnson-19-duloxetine3.htm
Johnson was among 100 healthy participants in the latest tests, Smith
said. She received $150 a day plus meals.

Johnson initially took the drug but recently was switched to a
placebo, Smith said.


http :// www .teenscreentruth,com /psychiatry drugs suicide.html

"Coming off psych drugs may increase hostility
The FDA issued a warning that when taking SSRI antidepressants, any
abrupt change in dose (up or down) can result in suicide, psychosis or
hostility -- their word to describe homicide. There is mounting
scientific evidence that during withdrawal from these drugs, there
could be a temporary worsening of hostility, violence, suicidiality
and other negative symptoms. This danger usually begins from 3 weeks
to 4 months after discontinuing the drug and lasts from 1 month to 1
year. Even though the medication will no longer show up in a blood
test or autopsy report, the brain neurotransmitters are still trying
to "realign" themselves and symptoms can continue. If your child is
coming off any medication it would be very wise to closely monitor his
or her behavior with regard to these potentially worsening symptoms."

That FDA is a load of scientologists arent they?

"But suicide is, and ultimately remains, a
choice behavior. No antidepressant can *force* a person to kill
himself,
which is the argument it seems you try to make.

er, of course they cant force someone to kill themselves you dumb
fuck, but their behaviour TURNS SUICIDAL, it changes their behaviour,
and surely after all your lovely reading you realise ANTIDEPRESSANTS
ARE MEANT TO CHANGE BEHAVIOUR! ASK ANY FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST. you
really cant be this stupid. its not possible.


>Nor can any
antidepressant *force* a person to turn into a homicidal maniac (and
there is no evidence that it even has the ability to influence such
behavior in the first place) -

---er, what did you think those articles by ELI LILLY AND CNN WERE
TELLING YOU? A NURSERY RHYME?
oh look! a case of a perfectly fun loving church going hick that ends
up topping herself in a clinical trial for $150 per day, I THINK WE
FOUND MORE EVIDENCE!

Exhibit fucking A):

http :// www .antidepressantsfacts,com /duloxetine-9.htm

I dare say i should no longer quote scientific evidence to you because
you are too good damn stupid to understand it.

WHAT DOES THESE CHEMICAL REACTIONS DO OTHER THAN CHANGE YOUR
BEHAVIOUR? learn to read.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

Pixie wrote:
> no, mr. brain box, there is a difference between being deoressed and
> suicidal and what about all those clinical trials of HEALTHY
> VOLUNTEERS?

Sigh. Ignorant sow, they do not test anti-depressants on people who
would, logically, have no need of antidepressants. They test them on
people who have diagnosed clinical depression. It wouldn't make any
sense to test a drug on Joe Public, because Joe Public would respond
quite differently.

Pixie wrote:
> any abrupt change in dose (up or down) can result in suicide, psychosis or
> hostility -- their word to describe homicide.

Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN. Drugs are gradually increased, or decreased - NEVER
abruptly started or stopped.

Additional bullshit not worthy of response snipped, as usual.

Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)

On Apr 25, 3:03 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> > no, mr. brain box, there is a difference between being deoressed and
> > suicidal and what about all those clinical trials of HEALTHY
> > VOLUNTEERS?
>
> Sigh. Ignorant sow, they do not test anti-depressants on people who
> would, logically, have no need of antidepressants. They test them on
> people who have diagnosed clinical depression.

REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
links.

>It wouldn't make any
> sense to test a drug on Joe Public, because Joe Public would respond
> quite differently.


WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??

Phase I
Phase I trials are the first stage of testing in human subjects.
Normally, a small (20-80) group of HEALTHY volunteers will be
selected. This phase includes trials designed to assess the safety
(pharmacovigilance), tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and
pharmacodynamics of a drug. These trials are often conducted in an
inpatient clinic, where the subject can be observed by full-time
staff. The subject who receives the drug is usually observed until
several half-lives of the drug have passed. Phase I trials also
normally include dose-ranging, also called dose escalation, studies so
that the appropriate dose for therapeutic use can be found.


http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical trial#Phase I

Read about clinical trials before you shoot off your mouth.

> Pixie wrote:
> > any abrupt change in dose (up or down) can result in suicide, psychosis or
> > hostility -- their word to describe homicide.
>
> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> this DOESN'T HAPPEN. Drugs are gradually increased, or decreased - NEVER
> abruptly started or stopped.


REALLY??

in many articles they state the the prozac LONG HALF LIFE MEANS YOU
CAN STOP COLD TURKEY, and doctors reflect this:

"The elimination half-life is long: 1-4 days for fluoxetine and 7-10
days for norfluoxetine. Because of the long half-life, the drug can be
administered once daily, efficacy is unaffected by an occasional
missed dose, and abrupt termination of therapy results in gradual
cessation of effects."

BULLSHIT it means you get delayed withdrawals. i wish you could read.