A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

on 2007-02-15 21:43 Fraser Johnston said the following:
> I know you are a nutcase but I'll indulge you anyway. How much do you think
> this would cost to develop? Advantages over leathal injection?

The NYT magazine had a whole cover article about this the past week (or
two weeks ago, maybe).
Turns out lethal injection has a major share of problems, not the least
of which are:
- that there are no set procedures for how much of the drugs to give (as
opposed to animal euthanasia, for example),
- the fact that many inmates have no good veins for putting in the IV,
- that the people inserting IVs are by and large no good at doing it (so
you end up with needles inflitrating subcutaneously or intramuscularly),
- that there is considerable question as to whether the anesthetic takes
affect before the pentothal kicks in and paralyzes your muscles...

If your goal is a "humane execution", lethal injection *done right*
might do the trick. Alas, it seldom is.

> Fraser

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Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution


"Jerry B. Altzman" <jbaltz@altzman,com > wrote in message
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> on 2007-02-15 21:43 Fraser Johnston said the following:
>> I know you are a nutcase but I'll indulge you anyway. How much do you think
>> this would cost to develop? Advantages over leathal injection?
>
> The NYT magazine had a whole cover article about this the past week (or two
> weeks ago, maybe).
> Turns out lethal injection has a major share of problems, not the least of
> which are:
> - that there are no set procedures for how much of the drugs to give (as
> opposed to animal euthanasia, for example),
> - the fact that many inmates have no good veins for putting in the IV,
> - that the people inserting IVs are by and large no good at doing it (so you
> end up with needles inflitrating subcutaneously or intramuscularly),
> - that there is considerable question as to whether the anesthetic takes
> affect before the pentothal kicks in and paralyzes your muscles...
>
> If your goal is a "humane execution", lethal injection *done right* might do
> the trick. Alas, it seldom is.

They are rapists and murderers. Fuck em.

Fraser

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution


> They are rapists and murderers. Fuck em.
>
> Fraser

"Bring out the Dildo Injector 2000" :P lol


How about we make them all run on a giant
treadmill to generate all our energy needs :)

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

xiaou2 <xiaou2@hotmail,com > writes:

>> They are rapists and murderers. Fuck em.
>>
>> Fraser
>
> "Bring out the Dildo Injector 2000" :P lol
>
>
> How about we make them all run on a giant
> treadmill to generate all our energy needs :)

Well, there's always the candiru if you run out of ideas for what to
do with rapists and child molestors. You'll have them begging for
castration!

http :// www .damninteresting,com /?p=797

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Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

on 2007-02-15 23:57 Fraser Johnston said the following:
>> If your goal is a "humane execution", lethal injection *done right* might do
>> the trick. Alas, it seldom is.
> They are rapists and murderers. Fuck em.

Well, then your goal isn't "humane execution" now, is it?

> Fraser

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Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 11:57 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis,com .au> wrote:
> "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman,com > wrote in messagenews:2 9Bh.50$Mw3.12@newsfe10.lga...
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 2007-02-15 21:43 Fraser Johnston said the following:
> >> I know you are a nutcase but I'll indulge you anyway. How much do you think
> >> this would cost to develop? Advantages over leathal injection?
>
> > The NYT magazine had a whole cover article about this the past week (or two
> > weeks ago, maybe).
> > Turns out lethal injection has a major share of problems, not the least of
> > which are:
> > - that there are no set procedures for how much of the drugs to give (as
> > opposed to animal euthanasia, for example),
> > - the fact that many inmates have no good veins for putting in the IV,
> > - that the people inserting IVs are by and large no good at doing it (so you
> > end up with needles inflitrating subcutaneously or intramuscularly),
> > - that there is considerable question as to whether the anesthetic takes
> > affect before the pentothal kicks in and paralyzes your muscles...
>
> > If your goal is a "humane execution", lethal injection *done right* might do
> > the trick. Alas, it seldom is.
>
> They are rapists and murderers. Fuck em.

I think the other inmates take care of that.

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 1:43 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis,com .au> wrote:
> "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1171593199.260550.102990@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 15, 6:05 pm, "Scary" <modelmak...@msn,com > wrote:
>
> >> Isn't that rather an elaborate way to kill someone? And expensive!
> >> One would think a bullet to the back of the head would be quite quick
> >> enough.
>
> > A shot to the skull is boring and there is too much mess. Moreover
> > there are many cases of headshot victims surviving and regain
> > consciousness only to live paralyzed, blind, deaf, and with major
> > headaches.
>
> >> Anyway isn't the ideal of nanobots that they be used to heal people.
>
> > And to give clean, quick, bloodless, interesting execution via extreme
> > gastric a-delta excitation. The A-delta-induced neurogenic shock has
> > 99.9999999999999999% chance of executing the executionee. Its
> > *extremely* unlikely that anyone -- even those 'immune' to pain --
> > would survive such sharp nociception.
>
> > Prior to giving the shock, tiny needles [carry the electric nanobots]
> > are inserted into the abdomen until they reach the the stomach. The
> > nanobots they attach to the A-delta fibers supply the stomach. Then
> > EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELECTRIC
> > SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Then suddenly, death
>
> I know you are a nutcase but I'll indulge you anyway. How much do you think
> this would cost to develop? Advantages over leathal injection?
>
> Fraser- >

Yep it is nutty but then they did invent the electric chair!
You can't use the organs for transplantation from bodies executed but
lethal injection, and you have to have the body cremated because it's
toxic and if buried in might pollute the water table.
How's about a pseudoscientific discussion about clubbing convicted
criminals on the back of the head like baby seals?

Scary.

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, 8:04 pm, "Scary" <modelmak...@msn,com > wrote:

> Yep it is nutty but then they did invent the electric chair!

Speaking of electric chair, those sick f--ks who run the execution
industry spike up the current on the execution where to the point
where the executionee is cooked alive. Very painful slow death.

Why do they use such a high-voltage? It takes much less voltage to
kill. All you need is a 60 Hz AC current into the heart. This will
cause ventricular fibrillaion leading to an easy death.

quote from http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric shock#Physiological :

"- A low-voltage (110 to 220 V), 50 or 60-Hz AC current travelling
through the chest for a fraction of a second may induce ventricular
fibrillation at currents as low as 60mA. With DC, 300 to 500 mA is
required. If the current has a direct pathway to the heart (e.g., via
a cardiac catheter or other electrodes), a much lower current of less
than 1 mA, (AC or DC) can cause fibrillation."

So all you need to do is inject 1 mA of 60 Hz AC current into the
execution's chest and voila! Easy death!

But nooooooooo!!!! The audience wants the executionee to suffer. So
the state cranks up the current to a skin-searing 5 amps to satisfy
the pleasures of those cold-hearted sadists.

Sick f--ks!

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 3:43 pm, "Radium" <gluceg...@excite,com > wrote:
> On Feb 15, 8:04 pm, "Scary" <modelmak...@msn,com > wrote:
>
> > Yep it is nutty but then they did invent the electric chair!
>
> Speaking of electric chair, those sick f--ks who run the execution
> industry spike up the current on the execution where to the point
> where the executionee is cooked alive. Very painful slow death.
>
> Why do they use such a high-voltage? It takes much less voltage to
> kill. All you need is a 60 Hz AC current into the heart. This will
> cause ventricular fibrillaion leading to an easy death.
>
> quote from http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric shock#Physiological:
>
> "- A low-voltage (110 to 220 V), 50 or 60-Hz AC current travelling
> through the chest for a fraction of a second may induce ventricular
> fibrillation at currents as low as 60mA. With DC, 300 to 500 mA is
> required. If the current has a direct pathway to the heart (e.g., via
> a cardiac catheter or other electrodes), a much lower current of less
> than 1 mA, (AC or DC) can cause fibrillation."
>
> So all you need to do is inject 1 mA of 60 Hz AC current into the
> execution's chest and voila! Easy death!
>
> But nooooooooo!!!! The audience wants the executionee to suffer. So
> the state cranks up the current to a skin-searing 5 amps to satisfy
> the pleasures of those cold-hearted sadists.
>
> Sick f--ks!

As a member of the "Cold Hearted Sadist Community" I strongly object
to your assertion that those of us working as state cranks torture and
maim our charges as a means of institutionalized revenge!
Our motto is "Kindness costs nothing! But cruelty's more fun!" We do
it because we love our work!

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 16, 10:24 pm, "Badger L Jackson" <magicmonke...@lycos,com >
wrote:
> As a member of the "Cold Hearted Sadist Community" I strongly object
> to your assertion that those of us working as state cranks torture and
> maim our charges as a means of institutionalized revenge!
> Our motto is "Kindness costs nothing! But cruelty's more fun!" We do
> it because we love our work!

Okay, then why does the electric chair use such a high-voltage? It
takes much less voltage to
kill. All you need is a 60 Hz AC current into the heart. This will
cause ventricular fibrillaion leading to an easy death.

quote from http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric shock#Physiological :

"- A low-voltage (110 to 220 V), 50 or 60-Hz AC current travelling
through the chest for a fraction of a second may induce ventricular
fibrillation at currents as low as 60mA. With DC, 300 to 500 mA is
required. If the current has a direct pathway to the heart (e.g., via
a cardiac catheter or other electrodes), a much lower current of less
than 1 mA, (AC or DC) can cause fibrillation."

So all you need to do is inject 1 mA of 60 Hz AC current into the
execution's chest and voila! Easy death!

Would you please explain why you don't just attach some low-voltage AC
electrodes to the executionee's chest and let the current flow? Its so
easy. No burns, no smoke, no bleeding, no eye-popping. Just
ventricular fibrillation.

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

Yo Radium,

Here's a warning because I am feeling kind this morning. You're
starting to use physics sounding words, which at least a few people
around here are acquainted with.

> Okay, then why does the electric chair use such a high-voltage?

Do they? Show me some statistics on the voltage output of electric
chairs.

> It
> takes much less voltage to kill. All you need is a 60 Hz AC current into the heart.

You were talking about voltage, now you switch to frequency? Please
tabulate some data including voltage, current and frequency
requirements.

> This will cause ventricular fibrillaion leading to an easy death.

I didn't realize that fibrillation was an easy death...

> "- A low-voltage (110 to 220 V), 50 or 60-Hz AC current travelling
> through the chest for a fraction of a second may induce ventricular
> fibrillation at currents as low as 60mA.

MAY?

> With DC, 300 to 500 mA is
> required. If the current has a direct pathway to the heart (e.g., via
> a cardiac catheter or other electrodes), a much lower current of less
> than 1 mA, (AC or DC) can cause fibrillation."

CAN?

> So all you need to do is inject 1 mA of 60 Hz AC current into the
> execution's chest and voila! Easy death!
>
> Would you please explain why you don't just attach some low-voltage AC
> electrodes to the executionee's chest and let the current flow?

You tell us. There is quite alot of literature on this subject.

You seem to be implying that they are trying to make the execution as
painful as possible. This is stupid. Obviously they could make it much
worse if that was their intended goal.

Your attempts to show off your home-grown education are tiresome. I
suggest you volunteer with local chapter of Habitat for Humanity. They
won't give a damn about your lack of schoolin.

-Mike K.

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite,com > wrote
> Okay, then why does the electric chair use such a high-voltage?

What? You're worried about wasting electricity? Global warming? Costs for
State Institutions?

> Would you please explain why you don't just attach some low-voltage AC
> electrodes to the executionee's chest and let the current flow? Its so
> easy. No burns, no smoke, no bleeding, no eye-popping. Just
> ventricular fibrillation.

Same reason a dog licks his balls.

Chas

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution


"Scary" <modelmakers@msn,com > wrote in message
news:1171598675.678595.272560@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...

> Yep it is nutty but then they did invent the electric chair!
> You can't use the organs for transplantation from bodies executed but
> lethal injection, and you have to have the body cremated because it's
> toxic and if buried in might pollute the water table.
> How's about a pseudoscientific discussion about clubbing convicted
> criminals on the back of the head like baby seals?

The Fraserland method involves live organ harvesting. Without any pain relief.

Fraser

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

On Feb 15, "Scary" <modelmak...@msn,com > wrote:
>
> How's about a pseudoscientific discussion about clubbing convicted
> criminals on the back of the head like baby seals?

That was the Zulu execution method. They used the
knobkerry, a cudgel, one of their preferred weapons,
along with the assegai (short spear)... hmmm, stick
and blade, where I have heard that before...

The king was judge and jury. He would hear the case,
and if he gave a thumbs down, the bailiff crushed the
victim's skull toute suite.

They dealt the death penalty for practically all infractions,
saving the taxpayers a bundle on justice system costs...
of course, the Trial Lawyers Assoc. and the prison guards
union weren't too thrilled about it...

> Scary.

They certainly were.


Sam

Re: A-delta excitation is the most civilized and non-barbaric form of execution

> A shot to the skull is boring and there is too much mess.

Boring? Too much mess? Those are contradictory descriptions.

> Moreover there are many cases of headshot victims surviving and regain
> consciousness only to live paralyzed, blind, deaf, and with major
> headaches.

100% of the of people executed by nano-bot electrocution survive,
living lives with no adverse side effects.

> Prior to giving the shock, tiny needles [carry the electric nanobots]
> are inserted into the abdomen until they reach the the stomach. The
> nanobots they attach to the A-delta fibers supply the stomach. Then
> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELECTRIC
> SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Then suddenly, death

Sounds pretty damn boring...

-Mike K.