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Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
Pixie wrote:
> REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
> MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
> Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
> links.
I'll admit I hadn't read your link at the time I submitted this posting,
and I retract my prior statement.
Pixie wrote:
> WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
Indeed. It makes, as I've said, absolutely zero sense to test a drug
with psychiatric properties on a person who has no psychiatric problems.
Ritalin, for example, is a stimulant. The effect it has on a person
without ADHD is significantly different than the effect it has on a
person with ADHD. I wasn't aware that they tested these drugs on people
who would not have any problems that the drug would be designed to treat.
Pixie wrote:
> REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
> MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
> Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
> links.
I'll admit I hadn't read your link at the time I submitted this posting,
and I retract my prior statement.
Pixie wrote:
> WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
Indeed. It makes, as I've said, absolutely zero sense to test a drug
with psychiatric properties on a person who has no psychiatric problems.
Ritalin, for example, is a stimulant. The effect it has on a person
without ADHD is significantly different than the effect it has on a
person with ADHD. I wasn't aware that they tested these drugs on people
who would not have any problems that the drug would be designed to treat.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 3:27 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> > REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
> > MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
> > Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
> > links.
>
> I'll admit I hadn't read your link at the time I submitted this posting,
> and I retract my prior statement.
>
> Pixie wrote:
> > WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
>
> Indeed. It makes, as I've said, absolutely zero sense to test a drug
> with psychiatric properties on a person who has no psychiatric problems.
well, ACTUALLY, IT DOES if you read how clinical trials are designed,
because they are testing MORE than the psychiatric effects, Pre-
clinical studies involve in vitro (i.e., test tube or laboratory)
studies and trials on animal populations (in vivo). Phase 0 is a
recent designation for exploratory, first-in-human trials conducted in
accordance with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) 2006
Guidance on Exploratory Investigational New Drug (IND) Studies.[7]
Phase 0 trials are also known as human microdosing studies and are
designed to speed up the development of promising drugs or imaging
agents by establishing very early on whether the drug or agent behaves
in human subjects as was anticipated from preclinical studies.
Phase I trials are the first stage of testing in human subjects.
Normally, a small (20-80) group of healthy volunteers will be
selected. This phase includes trials designed to assess the safety
(pharmacovigilance), tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and
pharmacodynamics of a drug.
Phase II-
Once the initial safety of the study drug has been confirmed in Phase
I trials, Phase II trials are performed on larger groups (20-300) and
are designed to assess how well the drug works, as well as to continue
Phase I safety assessments in a larger group of volunteers and
patients. When the development process for a new drug fails, this
usually occurs during Phase II trials when the drug is discovered not
to work as planned, or to have toxic effects.
Phase III studies are randomized controlled multicenter trials on
large patient groups (300–3,000 or more depending upon the disease/
medical condition studied) and are aimed at being the definitive
assessment of how effective the drug is, in comparison with current
'gold standard' treatment.
Phase IV trial is also known as Post Marketing Surveillance Trial.
Phase IV trials involve the safety surveillance (pharmacovigilance)
and ongoing technical support of a drug after it receives permission
to be sold. Phase IV studies may be required by regulatory authorities
or may be undertaken by the sponsoring company for competitive
(finding a new market for the drug) or other reasons (for example, the
drug may not have been tested for interactions with other drugs, or on
certain population groups such as pregnant women, who are unlikely to
subject themselves to trials).
> Ritalin, for example, is a stimulant. The effect it has on a person
> without ADHD is significantly different than the effect it has on a
> person with ADHD. I wasn't aware that they tested these drugs on people
> who would not have any problems that the drug would be designed to treat.
oooh, Jeff, it doesnt look like you know as much as you assumed you
did about pharmaceuticals does it?
i am very proud that you could actuallly read that, see? you learn
something new everyday, and i am sure that you would be surprised as
hell at some of the "medical practices" of some "qualified" medical
doctor. no, these things shouldnt happen but they DO, every day.
Like getting cut off medication cold turkey by doctors advice.
i am actually very proud you learned something today! :-)
On Apr 25, 3:27 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> > REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
> > MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
> > Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
> > links.
>
> I'll admit I hadn't read your link at the time I submitted this posting,
> and I retract my prior statement.
>
> Pixie wrote:
> > WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
>
> Indeed. It makes, as I've said, absolutely zero sense to test a drug
> with psychiatric properties on a person who has no psychiatric problems.
well, ACTUALLY, IT DOES if you read how clinical trials are designed,
because they are testing MORE than the psychiatric effects, Pre-
clinical studies involve in vitro (i.e., test tube or laboratory)
studies and trials on animal populations (in vivo). Phase 0 is a
recent designation for exploratory, first-in-human trials conducted in
accordance with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) 2006
Guidance on Exploratory Investigational New Drug (IND) Studies.[7]
Phase 0 trials are also known as human microdosing studies and are
designed to speed up the development of promising drugs or imaging
agents by establishing very early on whether the drug or agent behaves
in human subjects as was anticipated from preclinical studies.
Phase I trials are the first stage of testing in human subjects.
Normally, a small (20-80) group of healthy volunteers will be
selected. This phase includes trials designed to assess the safety
(pharmacovigilance), tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and
pharmacodynamics of a drug.
Phase II-
Once the initial safety of the study drug has been confirmed in Phase
I trials, Phase II trials are performed on larger groups (20-300) and
are designed to assess how well the drug works, as well as to continue
Phase I safety assessments in a larger group of volunteers and
patients. When the development process for a new drug fails, this
usually occurs during Phase II trials when the drug is discovered not
to work as planned, or to have toxic effects.
Phase III studies are randomized controlled multicenter trials on
large patient groups (300–3,000 or more depending upon the disease/
medical condition studied) and are aimed at being the definitive
assessment of how effective the drug is, in comparison with current
'gold standard' treatment.
Phase IV trial is also known as Post Marketing Surveillance Trial.
Phase IV trials involve the safety surveillance (pharmacovigilance)
and ongoing technical support of a drug after it receives permission
to be sold. Phase IV studies may be required by regulatory authorities
or may be undertaken by the sponsoring company for competitive
(finding a new market for the drug) or other reasons (for example, the
drug may not have been tested for interactions with other drugs, or on
certain population groups such as pregnant women, who are unlikely to
subject themselves to trials).
> Ritalin, for example, is a stimulant. The effect it has on a person
> without ADHD is significantly different than the effect it has on a
> person with ADHD. I wasn't aware that they tested these drugs on people
> who would not have any problems that the drug would be designed to treat.
oooh, Jeff, it doesnt look like you know as much as you assumed you
did about pharmaceuticals does it?
i am very proud that you could actuallly read that, see? you learn
something new everyday, and i am sure that you would be surprised as
hell at some of the "medical practices" of some "qualified" medical
doctor. no, these things shouldnt happen but they DO, every day.
Like getting cut off medication cold turkey by doctors advice.
i am actually very proud you learned something today! :-)
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
Pixie wrote:
>> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
>> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> being called unqualified...
Where you treated by said doctor? Or can you point to a person who was,
and was abruptly removed from a medication?
Taking someone off of most any medication without some sort of gradual
reduction of dosage is dangerous. There are a few exceptions to this
(antibiotics come to mind), but in general, it's a bad medical practice.
As a person who was on eight different medications and under psychiatric
supervision (albeit relatively poor; a nurse oversaw my medications for
3 of those years as the Oregon Health Plan was too cheap to allow me a
proper psychiatrist) for 5 years, I can assert that *NEVER* was I
abruptly removed from a medication. Indeed, it was well-communicated to
me to NEVER let that happen.
Pixie wrote:
>> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
>> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> being called unqualified...
Where you treated by said doctor? Or can you point to a person who was,
and was abruptly removed from a medication?
Taking someone off of most any medication without some sort of gradual
reduction of dosage is dangerous. There are a few exceptions to this
(antibiotics come to mind), but in general, it's a bad medical practice.
As a person who was on eight different medications and under psychiatric
supervision (albeit relatively poor; a nurse oversaw my medications for
3 of those years as the Oregon Health Plan was too cheap to allow me a
proper psychiatrist) for 5 years, I can assert that *NEVER* was I
abruptly removed from a medication. Indeed, it was well-communicated to
me to NEVER let that happen.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 3:33 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > being called unqualified...
>
> Where you treated by said doctor? Or can you point to a person who was,
> and was abruptly removed from a medication?
Yes, it was me.
> Taking someone off of most any medication without some sort of gradual
> reduction of dosage is dangerous.
oh, jeff, maybe you should have told him that, where were you when i
needed you?
>There are a few exceptions to this
> (antibiotics come to mind), but in general, it's a bad medical practice.
well, maybe you can help me file a complaint.
> As a person who was on eight different medications and under psychiatric
> supervision (albeit relatively poor; a nurse oversaw my medications for
> 3 of those years as the Oregon Health Plan was too cheap to allow me a
> proper psychiatrist) for 5 years, I can assert that *NEVER* was I
> abruptly removed from a medication. Indeed, it was well-communicated to
> me to NEVER let that happen.
REALLY? Well, when i was under the care of such high profile harvard
doctor, I was removed from meds cold turkey 5- 8 times, in a very
short space of time, because he just couldnt quite decide what to give
me, i begged him not to. I was always told not to worry, it wasnt
addictive, you can stop at any time, prozac has a long half life blah
blah and then when i was having withdrawals he wouldnt give it back to
me and wanted to put me on the "latest" antidepressants on the market
within a VERY SMALL SPACE IN TIME because none of them worked because
i was having withdrawals. When he refused to give me back the original
one I sat there trying to get the next one that was chemically close
enough to it.
On Apr 25, 3:33 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > being called unqualified...
>
> Where you treated by said doctor? Or can you point to a person who was,
> and was abruptly removed from a medication?
Yes, it was me.
> Taking someone off of most any medication without some sort of gradual
> reduction of dosage is dangerous.
oh, jeff, maybe you should have told him that, where were you when i
needed you?
>There are a few exceptions to this
> (antibiotics come to mind), but in general, it's a bad medical practice.
well, maybe you can help me file a complaint.
> As a person who was on eight different medications and under psychiatric
> supervision (albeit relatively poor; a nurse oversaw my medications for
> 3 of those years as the Oregon Health Plan was too cheap to allow me a
> proper psychiatrist) for 5 years, I can assert that *NEVER* was I
> abruptly removed from a medication. Indeed, it was well-communicated to
> me to NEVER let that happen.
REALLY? Well, when i was under the care of such high profile harvard
doctor, I was removed from meds cold turkey 5- 8 times, in a very
short space of time, because he just couldnt quite decide what to give
me, i begged him not to. I was always told not to worry, it wasnt
addictive, you can stop at any time, prozac has a long half life blah
blah and then when i was having withdrawals he wouldnt give it back to
me and wanted to put me on the "latest" antidepressants on the market
within a VERY SMALL SPACE IN TIME because none of them worked because
i was having withdrawals. When he refused to give me back the original
one I sat there trying to get the next one that was chemically close
enough to it.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
Pixie wrote:
>> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
>> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
positions.
Pixie wrote:
>> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
>> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
positions.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > being called unqualified...
>
> I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
> piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
> positions.
yes, i think you are learning now.
On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Pixie wrote:
> >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > being called unqualified...
>
> I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
> piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
> positions.
yes, i think you are learning now.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Pixie wrote:
> > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > > being called unqualified...
>
> > I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
> > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
> > positions.
>
> yes, i think you are learning now.
Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
unmedicated clinical depression is?
I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
- but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them. The
side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
for those that need them.
On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Pixie wrote:
> > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > > being called unqualified...
>
> > I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
> > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
> > positions.
>
> yes, i think you are learning now.
Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
unmedicated clinical depression is?
I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
- but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them. The
side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
for those that need them.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > Pixie wrote:
> > > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> > > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > > > being called unqualified...
>
> > > I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> > > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
> > > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
> > > positions.
>
> > yes, i think you are learning now.
>
> Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
> few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
> unmedicated clinical depression is?
well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
blah blah
> I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
> - but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
dont.
>The
> side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
> suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
> my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
> can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
> attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
> anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
> there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
> to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
> being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
> appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
> for those that need them.
MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
etc etc.
On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > Pixie wrote:
> > > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
> > > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> > > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> > > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> > > > being called unqualified...
>
> > > I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> > > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
> > > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
> > > positions.
>
> > yes, i think you are learning now.
>
> Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
> few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
> unmedicated clinical depression is?
well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
blah blah
> I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
> - but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
dont.
>The
> side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
> suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
> my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
> can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
> attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
> anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
> there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
> to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
> being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
> appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
> for those that need them.
MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
etc etc.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
Jeff L, you seem to be talking sense. Pixie comes across as arrogant,
irritable and illogical. Don't let her bother you.
"Pixie" <pixiestickspixie@googlemail,com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
>> On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>> > > Pixie wrote:
>> > > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified
>> > > >> physician,
>> > > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>>
>> > > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
>> > > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
>> > > > being called unqualified...
>>
>> > > I should probably alter my terminology.
>>
>> > > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There
>> > > are
>> > > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit
>> > > notable
>> > > positions.
>>
>> > yes, i think you are learning now.
>>
>> Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
>> few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
>> unmedicated clinical depression is?
>
> well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
> any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
> clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
> have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
> blah blah
>
>> I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
>> - but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
>
> well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
> dont.
>
>>The
>> side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
>> suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
>> my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
>> can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
>> attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
>> anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
>> there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
>> to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
>> being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
>> appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
>> for those that need them.
>
> MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
> depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
> you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
> depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
> etc etc.
Jeff L, you seem to be talking sense. Pixie comes across as arrogant,
irritable and illogical. Don't let her bother you.
"Pixie" <pixiestickspixie@googlemail,com > wrote in message
news:2de0c721-b356-401c-a2bf-662f7d293067@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
>> On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>> > > Pixie wrote:
>> > > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified
>> > > >> physician,
>> > > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>>
>> > > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
>> > > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
>> > > > being called unqualified...
>>
>> > > I should probably alter my terminology.
>>
>> > > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There
>> > > are
>> > > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit
>> > > notable
>> > > positions.
>>
>> > yes, i think you are learning now.
>>
>> Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
>> few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
>> unmedicated clinical depression is?
>
> well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
> any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
> clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
> have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
> blah blah
>
>> I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
>> - but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
>
> well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
> dont.
>
>>The
>> side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
>> suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
>> my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
>> can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
>> attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
>> anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
>> there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
>> to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
>> being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
>> appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
>> for those that need them.
>
> MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
> depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
> you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
> depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
> etc etc.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 30, 10:32 am, "lostfrogg" <prelude en fu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Jeff L, you seem to be talking sense. Pixie comes across as arrogant,
> irritable and illogical. Don't let her bother you.
>
> "Pixie" <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:2de0c721-b356-401c-a2bf-662f7d293067@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
> >> On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
> >> > On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >> > > Pixie wrote:
> >> > > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified
> >> > > >> physician,
> >> > > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> >> > > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> >> > > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> >> > > > being called unqualified...
>
> >> > > I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> >> > > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There
> >> > > are
> >> > > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit
> >> > > notable
> >> > > positions.
>
> >> > yes, i think you are learning now.
>
> >> Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
> >> few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
> >> unmedicated clinical depression is?
>
> > well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
> > any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
> > clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
> > have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
> > blah blah
>
> >> I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
> >> - but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
>
> > well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
> > dont.
>
> >>The
> >> side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
> >> suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
> >> my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
> >> can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
> >> attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
> >> anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
> >> there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
> >> to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
> >> being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
> >> appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
> >> for those that need them.
>
> > MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
> > depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
> > you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
> > depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
> > etc etc.
LOL, talking sense? "abrupt changes do not happen" er, they have to
many, 2 people are currently posting about it now! dont promote your
own ignorance!
"medicine is not tested on healthy people" cited clinical trials
procedures. get a grip.
"medicine does not alter thought processes or behaviour although it
chemically changes the body" excuse myself while i piss myself
laughing lostfrog!
arrogant? why? by sharing scientific knowledge to clear up
misconceptions?
irritable? yes, fools irritate me when they say something without
backing up their comments or listening to scientific reason and
citation.
Illogical? I am posting clear scientific evidence and citations. the
whole pharmaceutical industry with psych meds and doctors is
illogical, you cant blame me for that, or me showing evidence of it.
get a grip and wake up.
I am only trying to clear up misconceptions i am not trying to bother
anyone. Next time maybe people will back up their statements with
evidence and not just spout tosh.
On Apr 30, 10:32 am, "lostfrogg" <prelude en fu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Jeff L, you seem to be talking sense. Pixie comes across as arrogant,
> irritable and illogical. Don't let her bother you.
>
> "Pixie" <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:2de0c721-b356-401c-a2bf-662f7d293067@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
> >> On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
> >> > On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >> > > Pixie wrote:
> >> > > >> Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified
> >> > > >> physician,
> >> > > >> this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>
> >> > > > REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
> >> > > > around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
> >> > > > being called unqualified...
>
> >> > > I should probably alter my terminology.
>
> >> > > Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There
> >> > > are
> >> > > piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit
> >> > > notable
> >> > > positions.
>
> >> > yes, i think you are learning now.
>
> >> Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
> >> few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
> >> unmedicated clinical depression is?
>
> > well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
> > any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
> > clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
> > have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
> > blah blah
>
> >> I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
> >> - but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
>
> > well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
> > dont.
>
> >>The
> >> side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
> >> suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
> >> my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
> >> can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
> >> attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
> >> anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
> >> there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
> >> to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
> >> being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
> >> appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
> >> for those that need them.
>
> > MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
> > depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
> > you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
> > depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
> > etc etc.
LOL, talking sense? "abrupt changes do not happen" er, they have to
many, 2 people are currently posting about it now! dont promote your
own ignorance!
"medicine is not tested on healthy people" cited clinical trials
procedures. get a grip.
"medicine does not alter thought processes or behaviour although it
chemically changes the body" excuse myself while i piss myself
laughing lostfrog!
arrogant? why? by sharing scientific knowledge to clear up
misconceptions?
irritable? yes, fools irritate me when they say something without
backing up their comments or listening to scientific reason and
citation.
Illogical? I am posting clear scientific evidence and citations. the
whole pharmaceutical industry with psych meds and doctors is
illogical, you cant blame me for that, or me showing evidence of it.
get a grip and wake up.
I am only trying to clear up misconceptions i am not trying to bother
anyone. Next time maybe people will back up their statements with
evidence and not just spout tosh.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Pixie wrote:
> > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
>
> > > arent mind altering.
>
> > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> DIFFERENTLY.
>
> please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
> mind.
Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
=46rom wikipedia
"Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (5-hydr=
oxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
the central nervous system"
Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
serotonin.
Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
Prozac, to those under 18
http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepressants=
/ssri.asp
Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
these two things they will have much more productive lives than
without the drugs.
One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
under medical supervision.
" http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
cars, do we?
On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Pixie wrote:
> > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
>
> > > arent mind altering.
>
> > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> DIFFERENTLY.
>
> please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
> mind.
Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
=46rom wikipedia
"Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (5-hydr=
oxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
the central nervous system"
Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
serotonin.
Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
Prozac, to those under 18
http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepressants=
/ssri.asp
Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
these two things they will have much more productive lives than
without the drugs.
One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
under medical supervision.
" http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
cars, do we?
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 1:34=C2=A0am, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
> On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > Pixie wrote:
> > > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medication=
s
>
> > > =C2=A0> arent mind altering.
>
> > > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> > > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > chemical structure of your BODY =C2=A0in an attempt to counteract mental=
> > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> > please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
> > mind.
>
> Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
> assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
>
> From wikipedia
> "Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (5-hy=
droxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
> is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
> the central nervous system"
>
> Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
> has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
> serotonin.
>
> Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
> is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
> Prozac, =C2=A0to those under 18
>
> http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepr...
>
> Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
> antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
>
> People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
> professional to monitor for side effects. =C2=A0They must not alter their
> dosage without the approval of their medical professional. =C2=A0If they d=
o
> these two things they will have much more productive lives than
> without the drugs.
>
> One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
> under medical supervision.
>
> " http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
>
> My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
> able to legally own guns. =C2=A0We don't let legally blind people drive
> cars, do we?
They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
living in my head.
On Apr 25, 1:34=C2=A0am, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
> On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > Pixie wrote:
> > > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medication=
s
>
> > > =C2=A0> arent mind altering.
>
> > > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> > > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > chemical structure of your BODY =C2=A0in an attempt to counteract mental=
> > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> > please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
> > mind.
>
> Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
> assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
>
> From wikipedia
> "Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (5-hy=
droxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
> is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
> the central nervous system"
>
> Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
> has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
> serotonin.
>
> Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
> is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
> Prozac, =C2=A0to those under 18
>
> http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepr...
>
> Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
> antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
>
> People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
> professional to monitor for side effects. =C2=A0They must not alter their
> dosage without the approval of their medical professional. =C2=A0If they d=
o
> these two things they will have much more productive lives than
> without the drugs.
>
> One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
> under medical supervision.
>
> " http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
>
> My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
> able to legally own guns. =C2=A0We don't let legally blind people drive
> cars, do we?
They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
living in my head.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 25, 8:56 am, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 1:34 am, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Pixie wrote:
> > > > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medicati=
ons
>
> > > > > arent mind altering.
>
> > > > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > > > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> > > > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > > chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> > > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> > > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> > > please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
> > > mind.
>
> > Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
> > assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
>
> > From wikipedia
> > "Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (5-=
hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
> > is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
> > the central nervous system"
>
> > Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
> > has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
> > serotonin.
>
> > Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
> > is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
> > Prozac, to those under 18
>
> > http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepr...
>
> > Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
> > antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
>
> > People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
> > professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
> > dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
> > these two things they will have much more productive lives than
> > without the drugs.
>
> > One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
> > under medical supervision.
>
> > " http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
>
> > My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
> > able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
> > cars, do we?
>
> They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
> primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
>
> And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
> thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
> them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
> living in my head.
OK, Yes you tweak them, but you keep your psychiatrist informed of the
change so he/she can keep an eye out for any changes in your
condition. The key here is that people on meds be closely monitored
until the individual's optimum dosage can be determined.
On Apr 25, 8:56 am, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 1:34 am, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Pixie wrote:
> > > > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medicati=
ons
>
> > > > > arent mind altering.
>
> > > > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > > > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
> > > > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > > chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> > > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
> > > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> > > please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
> > > mind.
>
> > Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
> > assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
>
> > From wikipedia
> > "Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (5-=
hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
> > is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
> > the central nervous system"
>
> > Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
> > has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
> > serotonin.
>
> > Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
> > is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
> > Prozac, to those under 18
>
> > http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepr...
>
> > Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
> > antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
>
> > People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
> > professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
> > dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
> > these two things they will have much more productive lives than
> > without the drugs.
>
> > One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
> > under medical supervision.
>
> > " http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
>
> > My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
> > able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
> > cars, do we?
>
> They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
> primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
>
> And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
> thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
> them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
> living in my head.
OK, Yes you tweak them, but you keep your psychiatrist informed of the
change so he/she can keep an eye out for any changes in your
condition. The key here is that people on meds be closely monitored
until the individual's optimum dosage can be determined.
Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation Rx)
On Apr 30, 12:42 pm, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
> On Apr 25, 8:56 am, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 1:34 am, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > Pixie wrote:
> > > > > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medica=
tions
>
> > > > > > arent mind altering.
>
> > > > > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > > > > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotiona=
l
> > > > > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > > > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > > > chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> > > > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > > > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAV=
E
> > > > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> > > > please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the=
> > > > mind.
>
> > > Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
> > > assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
>
> > > From wikipedia
> > > "Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (=
5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
> > > is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in=
> > > the central nervous system"
>
> > > Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain=
> > > has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
> > > serotonin.
>
> > > Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
> > > is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
> > > Prozac, to those under 18
>
> > > http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepr..=
.
>
> > > Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
> > > antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
>
> > > People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
> > > professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
> > > dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do=
> > > these two things they will have much more productive lives than
> > > without the drugs.
>
> > > One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
> > > under medical supervision.
>
> > > " http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
>
> > > My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be=
> > > able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
> > > cars, do we?
>
> > They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
> > primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
>
> > And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
> > thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
> > them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
> > living in my head.
>
> OK, Yes you tweak them, but you keep your psychiatrist informed of the
> change so he/she can keep an eye out for any changes in your
> condition. The key here is that people on meds be closely monitored
> until the individual's optimum dosage can be determined.
er, clearly you have missed the posts on ash/asm etc. about doctors
tweaking meds... and fucking it up badly then, havent you?
On Apr 30, 12:42 pm, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
> On Apr 25, 8:56 am, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 1:34 am, h...@mailinator,com wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > Pixie wrote:
> > > > > > especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medica=
tions
>
> > > > > > arent mind altering.
>
> > > > > Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
> > > > > structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotiona=
l
> > > > > problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
>
> > > > let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
> > > > chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
> > > > problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
> > > > emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAV=
E
> > > > DIFFERENTLY.
>
> > > > please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the=
> > > > mind.
>
> > > Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
> > > assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
>
> > > From wikipedia
> > > "Serotonin (pronounced /=CB=8Cs=C9=9Br=C9=99=CB=88to=CA=8An=C9=99n/) (=
5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
> > > is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in=
> > > the central nervous system"
>
> > > Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain=
> > > has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
> > > serotonin.
>
> > > Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
> > > is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
> > > Prozac, to those under 18
>
> > > http :// www .healthyplace,com /communities/depression/treatment/antidepr..=
.
>
> > > Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
> > > antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
>
> > > People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
> > > professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
> > > dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do=
> > > these two things they will have much more productive lives than
> > > without the drugs.
>
> > > One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
> > > under medical supervision.
>
> > > " http :// onthescene.msnbc,com /vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
>
> > > My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be=
> > > able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
> > > cars, do we?
>
> > They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
> > primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
>
> > And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
> > thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
> > them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
> > living in my head.
>
> OK, Yes you tweak them, but you keep your psychiatrist informed of the
> change so he/she can keep an eye out for any changes in your
> condition. The key here is that people on meds be closely monitored
> until the individual's optimum dosage can be determined.
er, clearly you have missed the posts on ash/asm etc. about doctors
tweaking meds... and fucking it up badly then, havent you?
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