operant conditioning

Re: SL operant conditioning


"Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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>
> John \"C\" wrote:
> >
> > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hey kali,
> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain
you
> > can
> > > > find a
> > > > > > > > > > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's
> > Bogus!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > > > > > > > She has been bogus from the start.
> > > > > > > > > She can't file bankruptcy against her student loans, IIRC.
> > > > > > > > > She will be able to file for the loan after Bankruptcy Ct.
> > > > Declares
> > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > Bankrupt.
> > > > > > > > > From what I understand, once you file you can't file for
> > another
> > > > 14
> > > > > > > > > years, so she should be able to get a loan that way.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One can declare bankruptcy twice in a seven year period.
One
> > > > chapter 13
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > one chapter 7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But on Chapter 7. You still have to pay your creditors?? or
is
> > that
> > > > > > > Chapter 11?
> > > > > > > At any rate, isn't chapter 7 a prelude to filing chapter 13?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chapter 13 is: pay secured debts back over time (home and car)
and
> > don't
> > > > pay
> > > > > > unsecured debts (credit cards and medical bills). and if you
can't
> > pay
> > > > the
> > > > > > schedule then you file chapter 7 which wipes all debts (except
> > student
> > > > > > loans). The only way student loans can be collected is by
"eating"
> > your
> > > > > > income tax refunds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HJ (been there and done that)
> > > > >
> > > > > So has my daughter. She got a huge return [she has children so
gets
> > > > > those 'credits' and deductions] and Student loan corp took her
joint
> > > > > refund. Then her husband filed some grievous whatever it was
because
> > > > > his income was figured into their joint return, and he wanted his
> > half.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paid off my student loan when I took out a mortgage on my home.
> > > >
> > > > Some how my wife got her student loans deferred indefinitely. It
was OK
> > > > with me.
> > > >
> > > > HJ
> > >
> > > There is a way to do it, I was thinking about deferring mine and did
> > > until they decided to finally allow SL's to be deducted from your
> > > taxes. I did go in and change my 8% rate to a fixed 4 or 5 %.
> > > If you stay in school and carry at least 6 semester units [we are
> > > semester system here], then you can defer it.
> > > What I don't like is the part about if you have a BA or BS or other,
you
> > > have to pay more for community college classes.
> > > I qualified for a CAL grant A or B back in 89 but they have changed
the
> > > rules on being able to file for that grant. You now have to be a
first
> > > year student.
> >
> > Sounds complicated, like a normal government "SNAFU".
>
> The other side of the change is that with the new gpa ratings for high
> school students who are in GATE are higher then others, so if a GATE
> student pulls a straight A they are actually pulling a 5.0, while those
> not in GATE with straight A's are pulling a 4.0 GPA. Which means that
> the grant money is given to those in GATE whose GPA is higher.
> It has been awhile since I have been through the process. I took out
> the student loan because the Cal Grant was no longer available to me
> based on the number of semester units I had acquired.
>
> Some of my friends don't understand why I don't just get my BA, the
> reason why is because I was thinking about taking some fresh/soph
> classes at Community College level. + they began a Community College
> around here that includes some paralegal courses through Fresno
> Community College, I was hoping that they would start those classes out
> this way near my satellite school, but they haven't. + they said I have
> to take math to graduate, which I consider to be cruel and inhuman
> punishment as I had those courses in high school, which wasn't even the
> *new* math. + while my high school algebra and geometry helped me score
> high [3rd[, on my state test for hire and fire in the Dept of Mental
> Hygiene [old name for dept of mental health] when it came time to doing
> pharmacy, much of what I had learned wasn't an issue as most of the meds
> are already divided up into doses, Some of it I used to convert mgs etc.
> but not much and now with their new system even divided doses are sent
> in the individual carts for each patient, so all you have to do is pass
> meds and sign for them. Of course you also have to check to make sure
> the pharmacy got the cart right in the first place.

You do know that Math can be your friend, don't you?

Re: SL operant conditioning



John \"C\" wrote:
>
> "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > John \"C\" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > news:46AA3247.730F6D5C@hotmail,com ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > news:46AA0864.91FB1426@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:46A92823.1A485701@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hey kali,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain
> you
> > > can
> > > > > find a
> > > > > > > > > > > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's
> > > Bogus!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > > > > > > > > She has been bogus from the start.
> > > > > > > > > > She can't file bankruptcy against her student loans, IIRC.
> > > > > > > > > > She will be able to file for the loan after Bankruptcy Ct.
> > > > > Declares
> > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > > Bankrupt.
> > > > > > > > > > From what I understand, once you file you can't file for
> > > another
> > > > > 14
> > > > > > > > > > years, so she should be able to get a loan that way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One can declare bankruptcy twice in a seven year period.
> One
> > > > > chapter 13
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > one chapter 7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But on Chapter 7. You still have to pay your creditors?? or
> is
> > > that
> > > > > > > > Chapter 11?
> > > > > > > > At any rate, isn't chapter 7 a prelude to filing chapter 13?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chapter 13 is: pay secured debts back over time (home and car)
> and
> > > don't
> > > > > pay
> > > > > > > unsecured debts (credit cards and medical bills). and if you
> can't
> > > pay
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > schedule then you file chapter 7 which wipes all debts (except
> > > student
> > > > > > > loans). The only way student loans can be collected is by
> "eating"
> > > your
> > > > > > > income tax refunds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HJ (been there and done that)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So has my daughter. She got a huge return [she has children so
> gets
> > > > > > those 'credits' and deductions] and Student loan corp took her
> joint
> > > > > > refund. Then her husband filed some grievous whatever it was
> because
> > > > > > his income was figured into their joint return, and he wanted his
> > > half.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paid off my student loan when I took out a mortgage on my home.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some how my wife got her student loans deferred indefinitely. It
> was OK
> > > > > with me.
> > > > >
> > > > > HJ
> > > >
> > > > There is a way to do it, I was thinking about deferring mine and did
> > > > until they decided to finally allow SL's to be deducted from your
> > > > taxes. I did go in and change my 8% rate to a fixed 4 or 5 %.
> > > > If you stay in school and carry at least 6 semester units [we are
> > > > semester system here], then you can defer it.
> > > > What I don't like is the part about if you have a BA or BS or other,
> you
> > > > have to pay more for community college classes.
> > > > I qualified for a CAL grant A or B back in 89 but they have changed
> the
> > > > rules on being able to file for that grant. You now have to be a
> first
> > > > year student.
> > >
> > > Sounds complicated, like a normal government "SNAFU".
> >
> > The other side of the change is that with the new gpa ratings for high
> > school students who are in GATE are higher then others, so if a GATE
> > student pulls a straight A they are actually pulling a 5.0, while those
> > not in GATE with straight A's are pulling a 4.0 GPA. Which means that
> > the grant money is given to those in GATE whose GPA is higher.
> > It has been awhile since I have been through the process. I took out
> > the student loan because the Cal Grant was no longer available to me
> > based on the number of semester units I had acquired.
> >
> > Some of my friends don't understand why I don't just get my BA, the
> > reason why is because I was thinking about taking some fresh/soph
> > classes at Community College level. + they began a Community College
> > around here that includes some paralegal courses through Fresno
> > Community College, I was hoping that they would start those classes out
> > this way near my satellite school, but they haven't. + they said I have
> > to take math to graduate, which I consider to be cruel and inhuman
> > punishment as I had those courses in high school, which wasn't even the
> > *new* math. + while my high school algebra and geometry helped me score
> > high [3rd[, on my state test for hire and fire in the Dept of Mental
> > Hygiene [old name for dept of mental health] when it came time to doing
> > pharmacy, much of what I had learned wasn't an issue as most of the meds
> > are already divided up into doses, Some of it I used to convert mgs etc.
> > but not much and now with their new system even divided doses are sent
> > in the individual carts for each patient, so all you have to do is pass
> > meds and sign for them. Of course you also have to check to make sure
> > the pharmacy got the cart right in the first place.
>
> You do know that Math can be your friend, don't you?

So I have heard, but when you grew up learning the old math, and I knew
there was a better way to do those calculations even back then, but was
told no, you have to do it this way or else you will get marked down,
and you come up with your own shortcut system for getting the correct
answers, the new math is intimidating. So much so that I nearly stroked
out one day from the stress of trying to achieve a high mark, and the
6th graders next door can do the math, it is cruel and inhumane to force
someone to learn the new math.

Re: SL operant conditioning


"Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:46AB6343.574A157D@hotmail,com ...
>
>
> John \"C\" wrote:
> >
> > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > news:46AA4BB2.71F144A6@hotmail,com ...
> > >
> > >
> > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > news:46AA3247.730F6D5C@hotmail,com ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > news:46AA0864.91FB1426@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:46A92823.1A485701@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > news:46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey kali,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am
certain
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > > find a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy.
She's
> > > > Bogus!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > > > > > > > > > She has been bogus from the start.
> > > > > > > > > > > She can't file bankruptcy against her student loans,
IIRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > She will be able to file for the loan after Bankruptcy
Ct.
> > > > > > Declares
> > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > > > Bankrupt.
> > > > > > > > > > > From what I understand, once you file you can't file
for
> > > > another
> > > > > > 14
> > > > > > > > > > > years, so she should be able to get a loan that way.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One can declare bankruptcy twice in a seven year period.
> > One
> > > > > > chapter 13
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > one chapter 7.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But on Chapter 7. You still have to pay your creditors??
or
> > is
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > Chapter 11?
> > > > > > > > > At any rate, isn't chapter 7 a prelude to filing chapter
13?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chapter 13 is: pay secured debts back over time (home and
car)
> > and
> > > > don't
> > > > > > pay
> > > > > > > > unsecured debts (credit cards and medical bills). and if you
> > can't
> > > > pay
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > schedule then you file chapter 7 which wipes all debts
(except
> > > > student
> > > > > > > > loans). The only way student loans can be collected is by
> > "eating"
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > income tax refunds.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HJ (been there and done that)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So has my daughter. She got a huge return [she has children so
> > gets
> > > > > > > those 'credits' and deductions] and Student loan corp took her
> > joint
> > > > > > > refund. Then her husband filed some grievous whatever it was
> > because
> > > > > > > his income was figured into their joint return, and he wanted
his
> > > > half.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paid off my student loan when I took out a mortgage on my
home.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some how my wife got her student loans deferred indefinitely.
It
> > was OK
> > > > > > with me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HJ
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a way to do it, I was thinking about deferring mine and
did
> > > > > until they decided to finally allow SL's to be deducted from your
> > > > > taxes. I did go in and change my 8% rate to a fixed 4 or 5 %.
> > > > > If you stay in school and carry at least 6 semester units [we are
> > > > > semester system here], then you can defer it.
> > > > > What I don't like is the part about if you have a BA or BS or
other,
> > you
> > > > > have to pay more for community college classes.
> > > > > I qualified for a CAL grant A or B back in 89 but they have
changed
> > the
> > > > > rules on being able to file for that grant. You now have to be a
> > first
> > > > > year student.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds complicated, like a normal government "SNAFU".
> > >
> > > The other side of the change is that with the new gpa ratings for high
> > > school students who are in GATE are higher then others, so if a GATE
> > > student pulls a straight A they are actually pulling a 5.0, while
those
> > > not in GATE with straight A's are pulling a 4.0 GPA. Which means that
> > > the grant money is given to those in GATE whose GPA is higher.
> > > It has been awhile since I have been through the process. I took out
> > > the student loan because the Cal Grant was no longer available to me
> > > based on the number of semester units I had acquired.
> > >
> > > Some of my friends don't understand why I don't just get my BA, the
> > > reason why is because I was thinking about taking some fresh/soph
> > > classes at Community College level. + they began a Community College
> > > around here that includes some paralegal courses through Fresno
> > > Community College, I was hoping that they would start those classes
out
> > > this way near my satellite school, but they haven't. + they said I
have
> > > to take math to graduate, which I consider to be cruel and inhuman
> > > punishment as I had those courses in high school, which wasn't even
the
> > > *new* math. + while my high school algebra and geometry helped me
score
> > > high [3rd[, on my state test for hire and fire in the Dept of Mental
> > > Hygiene [old name for dept of mental health] when it came time to
doing
> > > pharmacy, much of what I had learned wasn't an issue as most of the
meds
> > > are already divided up into doses, Some of it I used to convert mgs
etc.
> > > but not much and now with their new system even divided doses are sent
> > > in the individual carts for each patient, so all you have to do is
pass
> > > meds and sign for them. Of course you also have to check to make sure
> > > the pharmacy got the cart right in the first place.
> >
> > You do know that Math can be your friend, don't you?
>
> So I have heard, but when you grew up learning the old math, and I knew
> there was a better way to do those calculations even back then, but was
> told no, you have to do it this way or else you will get marked down,
> and you come up with your own shortcut system for getting the correct
> answers, the new math is intimidating. So much so that I nearly stroked
> out one day from the stress of trying to achieve a high mark, and the
> 6th graders next door can do the math, it is cruel and inhumane to force
> someone to learn the new math.

The elementary math required for graduation is not "New Math". "New Math"
is Junior and Senior level courses where one has to use a page and a half of
letters and symbols to prove line "a" is isomorphic to line "b".

There seems to be a misconception about what "New Math" really is. A math
major can take math thru calculus and differential equations and never have
any "abstract" (New Math).

I suggest that you give it another shot with a positive attitude about
elementary algebra and "Get-R-Done". You'll see, one day it will "snap" and
all will make sense and you'll say: "Hey, there's nothing hard about this
crap."

HJ

Re: SL operant conditioning



John \"C\" wrote:
>
> "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:46AB6343.574A157D@hotmail,com ...
> >
> >
> > John \"C\" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > news:46AA4BB2.71F144A6@hotmail,com ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > news:46AA3247.730F6D5C@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:46AA0864.91FB1426@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:46A92823.1A485701@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey kali,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am
> certain
> > > you
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > find a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy.
> She's
> > > > > Bogus!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > > > > > > > > > > She has been bogus from the start.
> > > > > > > > > > > > She can't file bankruptcy against her student loans,
> IIRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > She will be able to file for the loan after Bankruptcy
> Ct.
> > > > > > > Declares
> > > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bankrupt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > From what I understand, once you file you can't file
> for
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > 14
> > > > > > > > > > > > years, so she should be able to get a loan that way.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One can declare bankruptcy twice in a seven year period.
> > > One
> > > > > > > chapter 13
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > one chapter 7.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But on Chapter 7. You still have to pay your creditors??
> or
> > > is
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > Chapter 11?
> > > > > > > > > > At any rate, isn't chapter 7 a prelude to filing chapter
> 13?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Chapter 13 is: pay secured debts back over time (home and
> car)
> > > and
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > pay
> > > > > > > > > unsecured debts (credit cards and medical bills). and if you
> > > can't
> > > > > pay
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > schedule then you file chapter 7 which wipes all debts
> (except
> > > > > student
> > > > > > > > > loans). The only way student loans can be collected is by
> > > "eating"
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > income tax refunds.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > HJ (been there and done that)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So has my daughter. She got a huge return [she has children so
> > > gets
> > > > > > > > those 'credits' and deductions] and Student loan corp took her
> > > joint
> > > > > > > > refund. Then her husband filed some grievous whatever it was
> > > because
> > > > > > > > his income was figured into their joint return, and he wanted
> his
> > > > > half.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Paid off my student loan when I took out a mortgage on my
> home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some how my wife got her student loans deferred indefinitely.
> It
> > > was OK
> > > > > > > with me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a way to do it, I was thinking about deferring mine and
> did
> > > > > > until they decided to finally allow SL's to be deducted from your
> > > > > > taxes. I did go in and change my 8% rate to a fixed 4 or 5 %.
> > > > > > If you stay in school and carry at least 6 semester units [we are
> > > > > > semester system here], then you can defer it.
> > > > > > What I don't like is the part about if you have a BA or BS or
> other,
> > > you
> > > > > > have to pay more for community college classes.
> > > > > > I qualified for a CAL grant A or B back in 89 but they have
> changed
> > > the
> > > > > > rules on being able to file for that grant. You now have to be a
> > > first
> > > > > > year student.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds complicated, like a normal government "SNAFU".
> > > >
> > > > The other side of the change is that with the new gpa ratings for high
> > > > school students who are in GATE are higher then others, so if a GATE
> > > > student pulls a straight A they are actually pulling a 5.0, while
> those
> > > > not in GATE with straight A's are pulling a 4.0 GPA. Which means that
> > > > the grant money is given to those in GATE whose GPA is higher.
> > > > It has been awhile since I have been through the process. I took out
> > > > the student loan because the Cal Grant was no longer available to me
> > > > based on the number of semester units I had acquired.
> > > >
> > > > Some of my friends don't understand why I don't just get my BA, the
> > > > reason why is because I was thinking about taking some fresh/soph
> > > > classes at Community College level. + they began a Community College
> > > > around here that includes some paralegal courses through Fresno
> > > > Community College, I was hoping that they would start those classes
> out
> > > > this way near my satellite school, but they haven't. + they said I
> have
> > > > to take math to graduate, which I consider to be cruel and inhuman
> > > > punishment as I had those courses in high school, which wasn't even
> the
> > > > *new* math. + while my high school algebra and geometry helped me
> score
> > > > high [3rd[, on my state test for hire and fire in the Dept of Mental
> > > > Hygiene [old name for dept of mental health] when it came time to
> doing
> > > > pharmacy, much of what I had learned wasn't an issue as most of the
> meds
> > > > are already divided up into doses, Some of it I used to convert mgs
> etc.
> > > > but not much and now with their new system even divided doses are sent
> > > > in the individual carts for each patient, so all you have to do is
> pass
> > > > meds and sign for them. Of course you also have to check to make sure
> > > > the pharmacy got the cart right in the first place.
> > >
> > > You do know that Math can be your friend, don't you?
> >
> > So I have heard, but when you grew up learning the old math, and I knew
> > there was a better way to do those calculations even back then, but was
> > told no, you have to do it this way or else you will get marked down,
> > and you come up with your own shortcut system for getting the correct
> > answers, the new math is intimidating. So much so that I nearly stroked
> > out one day from the stress of trying to achieve a high mark, and the
> > 6th graders next door can do the math, it is cruel and inhumane to force
> > someone to learn the new math.
>
> The elementary math required for graduation is not "New Math". "New Math"
> is Junior and Senior level courses where one has to use a page and a half of
> letters and symbols to prove line "a" is isomorphic to line "b".

Depends on how old you are.
I am not even planning on taking geometry again.

> There seems to be a misconception about what "New Math" really is. A math
> major can take math thru calculus and differential equations and never have
> any "abstract" (New Math).

My mother learned calculus in high school.

>
> I suggest that you give it another shot with a positive attitude about
> elementary algebra and "Get-R-Done". You'll see, one day it will "snap" and
> all will make sense and you'll say: "Hey, there's nothing hard about this
> crap."
>
> HJ

I had a very good professor here that taught algebra. I liked his style
of teaching.
He also teaches a class at the satellite community college nearby.
I actually like algebra, and have found that I use it daily but in
logic, not numbers.

I just want to be able to pass the exit exam with no more high
university fees for a class I don't really want.
I have already satisfied the universities requirements for critical
thinking by virtue of my major.

Thanks for the advice, I will take that into consideration.

Re: SL operant conditioning


"Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:46ABEE3E.809F55FD@hotmail,com ...
>
>
> John \"C\" wrote:
> >
> > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > news:46AB6343.574A157D@hotmail,com ...
> > >
> > >
> > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > news:46AA4BB2.71F144A6@hotmail,com ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > news:46AA3247.730F6D5C@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:46AA0864.91FB1426@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > news:46A92823.1A485701@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote
in
> > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey kali,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am
> > certain
> > > > you
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > find a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy.
> > She's
> > > > > > Bogus!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > She has been bogus from the start.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > She can't file bankruptcy against her student
loans,
> > IIRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > She will be able to file for the loan after
Bankruptcy
> > Ct.
> > > > > > > > Declares
> > > > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bankrupt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I understand, once you file you can't
file
> > for
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > 14
> > > > > > > > > > > > > years, so she should be able to get a loan that
way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One can declare bankruptcy twice in a seven year
period.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > > chapter 13
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > one chapter 7.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But on Chapter 7. You still have to pay your
creditors??
> > or
> > > > is
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 11?
> > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, isn't chapter 7 a prelude to filing
chapter
> > 13?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Chapter 13 is: pay secured debts back over time (home
and
> > car)
> > > > and
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > pay
> > > > > > > > > > unsecured debts (credit cards and medical bills). and if
you
> > > > can't
> > > > > > pay
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > schedule then you file chapter 7 which wipes all debts
> > (except
> > > > > > student
> > > > > > > > > > loans). The only way student loans can be collected is
by
> > > > "eating"
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > income tax refunds.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > HJ (been there and done that)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So has my daughter. She got a huge return [she has
children so
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > > those 'credits' and deductions] and Student loan corp took
her
> > > > joint
> > > > > > > > > refund. Then her husband filed some grievous whatever it
was
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > > his income was figured into their joint return, and he
wanted
> > his
> > > > > > half.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paid off my student loan when I took out a mortgage on my
> > home.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some how my wife got her student loans deferred
indefinitely.
> > It
> > > > was OK
> > > > > > > > with me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a way to do it, I was thinking about deferring mine
and
> > did
> > > > > > > until they decided to finally allow SL's to be deducted from
your
> > > > > > > taxes. I did go in and change my 8% rate to a fixed 4 or 5 %.
> > > > > > > If you stay in school and carry at least 6 semester units [we
are
> > > > > > > semester system here], then you can defer it.
> > > > > > > What I don't like is the part about if you have a BA or BS or
> > other,
> > > > you
> > > > > > > have to pay more for community college classes.
> > > > > > > I qualified for a CAL grant A or B back in 89 but they have
> > changed
> > > > the
> > > > > > > rules on being able to file for that grant. You now have to
be a
> > > > first
> > > > > > > year student.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds complicated, like a normal government "SNAFU".
> > > > >
> > > > > The other side of the change is that with the new gpa ratings for
high
> > > > > school students who are in GATE are higher then others, so if a
GATE
> > > > > student pulls a straight A they are actually pulling a 5.0, while
> > those
> > > > > not in GATE with straight A's are pulling a 4.0 GPA. Which means
that
> > > > > the grant money is given to those in GATE whose GPA is higher.
> > > > > It has been awhile since I have been through the process. I took
out
> > > > > the student loan because the Cal Grant was no longer available to
me
> > > > > based on the number of semester units I had acquired.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of my friends don't understand why I don't just get my BA,
the
> > > > > reason why is because I was thinking about taking some fresh/soph
> > > > > classes at Community College level. + they began a Community
College
> > > > > around here that includes some paralegal courses through Fresno
> > > > > Community College, I was hoping that they would start those
classes
> > out
> > > > > this way near my satellite school, but they haven't. + they said
I
> > have
> > > > > to take math to graduate, which I consider to be cruel and inhuman
> > > > > punishment as I had those courses in high school, which wasn't
even
> > the
> > > > > *new* math. + while my high school algebra and geometry helped me
> > score
> > > > > high [3rd[, on my state test for hire and fire in the Dept of
Mental
> > > > > Hygiene [old name for dept of mental health] when it came time to
> > doing
> > > > > pharmacy, much of what I had learned wasn't an issue as most of
the
> > meds
> > > > > are already divided up into doses, Some of it I used to convert
mgs
> > etc.
> > > > > but not much and now with their new system even divided doses are
sent
> > > > > in the individual carts for each patient, so all you have to do is
> > pass
> > > > > meds and sign for them. Of course you also have to check to make
sure
> > > > > the pharmacy got the cart right in the first place.
> > > >
> > > > You do know that Math can be your friend, don't you?
> > >
> > > So I have heard, but when you grew up learning the old math, and I
knew
> > > there was a better way to do those calculations even back then, but
was
> > > told no, you have to do it this way or else you will get marked down,
> > > and you come up with your own shortcut system for getting the correct
> > > answers, the new math is intimidating. So much so that I nearly
stroked
> > > out one day from the stress of trying to achieve a high mark, and the
> > > 6th graders next door can do the math, it is cruel and inhumane to
force
> > > someone to learn the new math.
> >
> > The elementary math required for graduation is not "New Math". "New
Math"
> > is Junior and Senior level courses where one has to use a page and a
half of
> > letters and symbols to prove line "a" is isomorphic to line "b".
>
> Depends on how old you are.
> I am not even planning on taking geometry again.
>
> > There seems to be a misconception about what "New Math" really is. A
math
> > major can take math thru calculus and differential equations and never
have
> > any "abstract" (New Math).
>
> My mother learned calculus in high school.
>
> >
> > I suggest that you give it another shot with a positive attitude about
> > elementary algebra and "Get-R-Done". You'll see, one day it will "snap"
and
> > all will make sense and you'll say: "Hey, there's nothing hard about
this
> > crap."
> >
> > HJ
>
> I had a very good professor here that taught algebra. I liked his style
> of teaching.
> He also teaches a class at the satellite community college nearby.
> I actually like algebra, and have found that I use it daily but in
> logic, not numbers.
>
> I just want to be able to pass the exit exam with no more high
> university fees for a class I don't really want.
> I have already satisfied the universities requirements for critical
> thinking by virtue of my major.
>
> Thanks for the advice, I will take that into consideration.

No problem.

Re: operant conditioning

In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
:
:
: John \"C\" wrote:
: >
: > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
: >
: > > Hey kali,
: > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find a
: > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
: >
: > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
: >
: > HJ
:
: She's in Bankruptcy?!?

Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.

: She has been bogus from the start.
: She can't file bankruptcy against her student loans, IIRC.
: She will be able to file for the loan after Bankruptcy Ct. Declares her
: Bankrupt.
: From what I understand, once you file you can't file for another 14
: years, so she should be able to get a loan that way.
: I never knew that until a few of my friends over the years filed, and
: then were offered Credit Cards up the ying yang by the banks.
:
: Wouldn't want her to accept responsibility. It just won't do. [sic]
:
Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein

Re: operant conditioning


"Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
news:f8d1jk$b3$5@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
> equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
> :
> :
> : John \"C\" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> : >
> : > > Hey kali,
> : > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find a
> : > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> : >
> : > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
> : >
> : > HJ
> :
> : She's in Bankruptcy?!?
>
> Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.

Oh, Kimberly Kay, you are such a bad liar:

Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
] Debtor Address: *** * ******* **
] ******* ** *****
] Record Type: CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED
] Court: CENTRAL DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
] 130 FEDERAL BLDG 201 NORTH VERMILION ST
] DANVILLE IL 61832
] Filing Date(mm-dd-yy): 11-17-97
] Judge Name or Initials: GDF
] File Type: INDIVIDUAL
] Case Number: 9792860
] Filer: INDIVIDUAL
] Pro Se: NO
] Attorney: ROBERT FOLLMER
] Attorney Address: POB 834
] PONTIAC IL 61764
] Attorney Phone Number: (815) 844-1050
] Trustee Name: GLEN R BARMAN
] Trustee Address: 200 E COURT STREET
] 502
] KANKAKEE IL 60901
] Trustee Phone Number: (815) 939-1133
] 341 Schedule Date (mm-dd-yy): 12-17-97
] Disposed Date(mm-dd-yy): 02-23-98
] Transaction Date(mm-dd-yyyy): 08-09-2003
]
] Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
] Address: ***** ***** **
] ***** **** ** *****
] Secured Party: IRS
] Record Type: INDIVIDUAL RECORD
] Action Type: FEDERAL TAX LIEN
] Association: SINGLE
] State: WI
] Court: WALWORTH COUNTY COURT - ELKHORN
] COURTHOUSE SQUARE P O BOX 1001
] ELKHORN WI 53121
] File Type: FEDERAL TAX LIEN
] Filing Number: 393061
] Filing Date: 09-14-1998
] Amount: $32,241.00
] Other Case Number: 399828004
]
] Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
] Address: ***** ***** **
] ***** **** ** *****
] Secured Party: IRS
] Record Type: INDIVIDUAL RECORD
] Action Type: FEDERAL TAX LIEN
] Association: SINGLE
] State: WI
] Court: WALWORTH COUNTY COURT - ELKHORN
] COURTHOUSE SQUARE P O BOX 1001
] ELKHORN WI 53121
] File Type: FEDERAL TAX LIEN RELEASE
] Filing Number: 0572510
] Filing Date: 09-14-1998
] Amount: $32,241.00
] Other Case Number: 399828004
] Release Date: 08-25-2003
]
] Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
] Address: ***** ***** **
] ***** **** ** *****
] Secured Party: STATE OF WISCONSIN
] Record Type: INDIVIDUAL RECORD
] Action Type: STATE TAX WARRANT
] Association: SINGLE
] State: WI
] Court: WALWORTH CIRCUIT COURT - ELKHORN
] COURTHOUSE SQUARE P O BOX 1001
] ELKHORN WI 53121
] File Type: STATE TAX WARRANT
] Filing Number: 6400174407
] Filing Date: 08-01-2002
] Amount: $52,884.00
]
] Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
] Address: ***** ***** **
] ***** **** ** *****
] Secured Party: STATE OF WISCONSIN
] Record Type: INDIVIDUAL RECORD
] Action Type: STATE TAX WARRANT
] Association: SINGLE
] State: WI
] Court: WALWORTH CIRCUIT COURT - ELKHORN
] COURTHOUSE SQUARE P O BOX 1001
] ELKHORN WI 53121
] File Type: STATE TAX WARRANT RELEASE
] Filing Number: 6400174407
] Filing Date: 08-01-2002
] Amount: $52,884.00
] Release Date: 12-02-2002

Re: operant conditioning

In <gfWdnYaCNebNkDfbnZ2dnUVZ rOpnZ2d@centurytel,net >, John "C"
honestjohn@centurytel,net said:
:
: "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
: news:f8d1jk$b3$5@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
: > In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
: > equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
: > :
: > :
: > : John \"C\" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
: > : >
: > : > > Hey kali,
: > : > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find a
: > : > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
: > : >
: > : > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
: > : >
: > : > HJ
: > :
: > : She's in Bankruptcy?!?
: >
: > Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.
:
: Oh, Kimberly Kay, you are such a bad liar:
:
: Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
: ] Debtor Address: *** * ******* **
: ] ******* ** *****
: ] Record Type: CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED
: ] Court: CENTRAL DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
: ] 130 FEDERAL BLDG 201 NORTH VERMILION ST
: ] DANVILLE IL 61832

That's not me, you disgusting, useless, RLing filth.

Not that there's anything wrong with it; it's there for a
reason, and I have nothing against anyone who's had a need for
the protection it offers. I've never filed, but I would if I
were advised to do so.

Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein

Re: operant conditioning


"Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
news:f8d31u$47e$1@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> In <gfWdnYaCNebNkDfbnZ2dnUVZ_rOpnZ2d@centurytel,net >, John "C"
> honestjohn@centurytel,net said:
> :
> : "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> : news:f8d1jk$b3$5@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> : > In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
> : > equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : John \"C\" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> : > : >
> : > : > > Hey kali,
> : > : > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find
a
> : > : > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> : > : >
> : > : > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
> : > : >
> : > : > HJ
> : > :
> : > : She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> : >
> : > Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.
> :
> : Oh, Kimberly Kay, you are such a bad liar:
> :
> : Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
> : ] Debtor Address: *** * ******* **
> : ] ******* ** *****
> : ] Record Type: CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED
> : ] Court: CENTRAL DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
> : ] 130 FEDERAL BLDG 201 NORTH VERMILION ST
> : ] DANVILLE IL 61832
>
> That's not me

Next you'll be k'laming that you aren't 46 or an instructor at the
University of Wisc. at Parkside or live in Genoa City, Wisc.

Come off it, Kay!

Your Pal, HJ

Re: operant conditioning



John \"C\" wrote:
>
> "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> news:f8d31u$47e$1@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> > In <gfWdnYaCNebNkDfbnZ2dnUVZ_rOpnZ2d@centurytel,net >, John "C"
> > honestjohn@centurytel,net said:
> > :
> > : "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> > : news:f8d1jk$b3$5@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> > : > In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
> > : > equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > : John \"C\" wrote:
> > : > : >
> > : > : > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > : > : >
> > : > : > > Hey kali,
> > : > : > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find
> a
> > : > : > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
> > : > : >
> > : > : > HJ
> > : > :
> > : > : She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > : >
> > : > Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.
> > :
> > : Oh, Kimberly Kay, you are such a bad liar:
> > :
> > : Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
> > : ] Debtor Address: *** * ******* **
> > : ] ******* ** *****
> > : ] Record Type: CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED
> > : ] Court: CENTRAL DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
> > : ] 130 FEDERAL BLDG 201 NORTH VERMILION ST
> > : ] DANVILLE IL 61832
> >
> > That's not me
>
> Next you'll be k'laming that you aren't 46 or an instructor at the
> University of Wisc. at Parkside or live in Genoa City, Wisc.
>
> Come off it, Kay!

Whoa!! Kim Sequins middle name was also Kay...
And geographically isn't the town listed as her residential area just
over the border from Canada.

>
> Your Pal, HJ

Re: operant conditioning


"Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:46AA3344.84F49D47@hotmail,com ...
>
>
> John \"C\" wrote:
> >
> > "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> > news:f8d31u$47e$1@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> > > In <gfWdnYaCNebNkDfbnZ2dnUVZ_rOpnZ2d@centurytel,net >, John "C"
> > > honestjohn@centurytel,net said:
> > > :
> > > : "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> > > : news:f8d1jk$b3$5@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> > > : > In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
> > > : > equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
> > > : > :
> > > : > :
> > > : > : John \"C\" wrote:
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > > Hey kali,
> > > : > : > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can
find
> > a
> > > : > : > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > HJ
> > > : > :
> > > : > : She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > : >
> > > : > Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.
> > > :
> > > : Oh, Kimberly Kay, you are such a bad liar:
> > > :
> > > : Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
> > > : ] Debtor Address: *** * ******* **
> > > : ] ******* ** *****
> > > : ] Record Type: CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED
> > > : ] Court: CENTRAL DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
> > > : ] 130 FEDERAL BLDG 201 NORTH VERMILION ST
> > > : ] DANVILLE IL 61832
> > >
> > > That's not me
> >
> > Next you'll be k'laming that you aren't 46 or an instructor at the
> > University of Wisc. at Parkside or live in Genoa City, Wisc.
> >
> > Come off it, Kay!
>
> Whoa!! Kim Sequins middle name was also Kay...
> And geographically isn't the town listed as her residential area just
> over the border from Canada.

Funny how those things happen.

Re: operant conditioning



John \"C\" wrote:
>
> "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:46AA3344.84F49D47@hotmail,com ...
> >
> >
> > John \"C\" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> > > news:f8d31u$47e$1@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> > > > In <gfWdnYaCNebNkDfbnZ2dnUVZ_rOpnZ2d@centurytel,net >, John "C"
> > > > honestjohn@centurytel,net said:
> > > > :
> > > > : "Kali" <kali@powder.keg> wrote in message
> > > > : news:f8d1jk$b3$5@blackhelicopter.databasix,com ...
> > > > : > In <46A9214F.B44E08DC@hotmail,com >, Hoofprints
> > > > : > equsphotogphr@hotmail,com said:
> > > > : > :
> > > > : > :
> > > > : > : John \"C\" wrote:
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > : > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > : > > Hey kali,
> > > > : > : > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can
> find
> > > a
> > > > : > : > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > : > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > : > HJ
> > > > : > :
> > > > : > : She's in Bankruptcy?!?
> > > > : >
> > > > : > Get the hook out of your mouth, idiot.
> > > > :
> > > > : Oh, Kimberly Kay, you are such a bad liar:
> > > > :
> > > > : Debtor: BARNARD KIMBERLY K
> > > > : ] Debtor Address: *** * ******* **
> > > > : ] ******* ** *****
> > > > : ] Record Type: CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED
> > > > : ] Court: CENTRAL DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
> > > > : ] 130 FEDERAL BLDG 201 NORTH VERMILION ST
> > > > : ] DANVILLE IL 61832
> > > >
> > > > That's not me
> > >
> > > Next you'll be k'laming that you aren't 46 or an instructor at the
> > > University of Wisc. at Parkside or live in Genoa City, Wisc.
> > >
> > > Come off it, Kay!
> >
> > Whoa!! Kim Sequins middle name was also Kay...
> > And geographically isn't the town listed as her residential area just
> > over the border from Canada.
>
> Funny how those things happen.

If it is KS then she has been hassling me and Two Steps since late part
of 99. And really went into hassle mode in 2yk.

Re: operant conditioning


"John "C"" <honestjohn@centurytel,net > wrote in message
news:FvudnTCUrJruhzTbnZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@centurytel,net ...
>
> "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>
> > Hey kali,
> > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find a
> > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
>
> She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!

TAKE IT TO EMAIL...

..,fr EAKIN' IDIOTS...!!!

Re: operant conditioning



~xy~ wrote:
>
> "John "C"" <honestjohn@centurytel,net > wrote in message
> news:FvudnTCUrJruhzTbnZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@centurytel,net ...
> >
> > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> >
> > > Hey kali,
> > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find a
> > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> >
> > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
>
> TAKE IT TO EMAIL...
>
> ..,fr EAKIN' IDIOTS...!!!

looky looky looky, guess whose back on line to wreck more havoc on the
net.
Lost your Shaw account??
HMMMMMMMM!!
I don't blame you for wanting this to go private. Then you can tell the
truth to the Sheriffs Dept and that people are sending you private email
vs. ng public posts.

Re: operant conditioning


"Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:46A9249B.165054FA@hotmail,com ...
>
>
> ~xy~ wrote:
> >
> > "John "C"" <honestjohn@centurytel,net > wrote in message
> > news:FvudnTCUrJruhzTbnZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@centurytel,net ...
> > >
> > > "Hoofprints" <equsphotogphr@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Hey kali,
> > > > Why don't you go and apply for a loan, I am certain you can find
a
> > > > smaller interest rate on what you owe me.
> > >
> > > She can't get a loan while she's in bankruptcy. She's Bogus!
> >
> > TAKE IT TO EMAIL...
> >
> > ..,fr EAKIN' IDIOTS...!!!
>
> looky looky looky, guess whose back on line to wreck more havoc on the
> net.
> Lost your Shaw account??
> HMMMMMMMM!!
> I don't blame you for wanting this to go private. Then you can tell
the
> truth to the Sheriffs Dept and that people are sending you private
email
> vs. ng public posts.

I never left...
The only sheriff I ever knew was one I smoked dope with in, about,
1969...