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So-called cancerwatcher
Should watch the below................................................
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,720,000 for the suffering of chemo. (0.14
seconds)
Should watch the below................................................
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,720,000 for the suffering of chemo. (0.14
seconds)
Re: So-called cancerwatcher
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news: Yd i.5952$TR5.4881@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc,com ...
> Should watch the below................................................
>
> Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,720,000 for the suffering of chemo. (0.14
> seconds)
>
I know it can be daunting to have to hold onto more than one concept at a
time, Jan, but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than chemotherapy,
without curing, or improving the duration or quality of survival of a single
cancer patient.
It's another of those pesky cost/risk/benefit things. The evils of
chemotherapy have to be looked at in the context of a cruel and lethal
illness for which there is often no other useful treatment. It's
complicated further by having to consider many different kinds of cancer
with varying responsiveness to chemotherapy, and whether the treatment is
intended to be an adjunct to other treatments, curative, or palliative.
I have freely admitted here many times that chemotherapy is often used in
contexts where it is not likely to help, and that it sometimes does more
harm than good. The imperfections of everyday medical practice say
nothing about the basic soundness of conventional approaches to the
treatment of cancer inclusive of chemotherapy, just as they don't make any
"alternative" treatment work better.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to try and clarify things.
PM
www .cancerwatcher,com
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news: Yd i.5952$TR5.4881@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc,com ...
> Should watch the below................................................
>
> Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,720,000 for the suffering of chemo. (0.14
> seconds)
>
I know it can be daunting to have to hold onto more than one concept at a
time, Jan, but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than chemotherapy,
without curing, or improving the duration or quality of survival of a single
cancer patient.
It's another of those pesky cost/risk/benefit things. The evils of
chemotherapy have to be looked at in the context of a cruel and lethal
illness for which there is often no other useful treatment. It's
complicated further by having to consider many different kinds of cancer
with varying responsiveness to chemotherapy, and whether the treatment is
intended to be an adjunct to other treatments, curative, or palliative.
I have freely admitted here many times that chemotherapy is often used in
contexts where it is not likely to help, and that it sometimes does more
harm than good. The imperfections of everyday medical practice say
nothing about the basic soundness of conventional approaches to the
treatment of cancer inclusive of chemotherapy, just as they don't make any
"alternative" treatment work better.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to try and clarify things.
PM
www .cancerwatcher,com
Re: So-called cancerwatcher
Peter Moran wrote:
> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than
> chemotherapy, ...
Any studies?
> The imperfections of everyday medical practice
> say nothing about the basic soundness of conventional approaches ...
The fact that the Medical System is the Number One Killer in the
US SHOULD say a LOT to those with an open mind.
Garry Null: Death by Medicine
http :// tinyurl,com /2637v
Laurie
--
Scientifically-credible info on human diet:
http :// ecologos.org/ttdd.html
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Peter Moran wrote:
> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than
> chemotherapy, ...
Any studies?
> The imperfections of everyday medical practice
> say nothing about the basic soundness of conventional approaches ...
The fact that the Medical System is the Number One Killer in the
US SHOULD say a LOT to those with an open mind.
Garry Null: Death by Medicine
http :// tinyurl,com /2637v
Laurie
--
Scientifically-credible info on human diet:
http :// ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science
Re: So-called cancerwatcher
"Laurie" <no@spam,com > wrote in message
news:13jkt7ng146n1b9@corp.supernews,com ...
> Peter Moran wrote:
>> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than chemotherapy, ...
> Any studies?
A little. Perhaps the most common relatively high dose use of chemotherapy
would be that of metastatic breast cancer. The treatment-related mortality
for this in one large study was 2 out of 412 patients, giving a death rate
of about 0.5%.
See
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2003;(1):CD003142.
>
>> The imperfections of everyday medical practice say nothing about the
>> basic soundness of conventional approaches ...
> The fact that the Medical System is the Number One Killer in the
> US SHOULD say a LOT to those with an open mind.
> Garry Null: Death by Medicine
> http :// tinyurl,com /2637v
Have you examined this material? What do you think about the inclusion of
over a million bedsores as a medically-inflicted cause of death? Might not
the ailment that caused the patient to be bedridden bear some responsibility
for the death?
Unnecessary deaths and other adverse medical events are an admitted problem,
but if this is to have any perspective relevant to alternative medicine it
should be noted that people don't get exposed to the risks of conventional
medicine unless they are ill, and often seriously so, in the first place.
Alternative medicine only looks safer because it is not expected to deal
with the same spectrum of illness, and uses treatments that mostly don't do
anything much.
PM
"Laurie" <no@spam,com > wrote in message
news:13jkt7ng146n1b9@corp.supernews,com ...
> Peter Moran wrote:
>> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than chemotherapy, ...
> Any studies?
A little. Perhaps the most common relatively high dose use of chemotherapy
would be that of metastatic breast cancer. The treatment-related mortality
for this in one large study was 2 out of 412 patients, giving a death rate
of about 0.5%.
See
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2003;(1):CD003142.
>
>> The imperfections of everyday medical practice say nothing about the
>> basic soundness of conventional approaches ...
> The fact that the Medical System is the Number One Killer in the
> US SHOULD say a LOT to those with an open mind.
> Garry Null: Death by Medicine
> http :// tinyurl,com /2637v
Have you examined this material? What do you think about the inclusion of
over a million bedsores as a medically-inflicted cause of death? Might not
the ailment that caused the patient to be bedridden bear some responsibility
for the death?
Unnecessary deaths and other adverse medical events are an admitted problem,
but if this is to have any perspective relevant to alternative medicine it
should be noted that people don't get exposed to the risks of conventional
medicine unless they are ill, and often seriously so, in the first place.
Alternative medicine only looks safer because it is not expected to deal
with the same spectrum of illness, and uses treatments that mostly don't do
anything much.
PM
Re: So-called cancerwatcher
Peter Moran wrote:
PM>>> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than
>>> chemotherapy, ...
>> Any studies?
>
PM> The treatment-related mortality for this in one large study was 2
> out of 412 patients, giving a death rate of about 0.5%.
~ 800,000 is the total number of deaths caused by conventional
medicine per year.
Motor vehicle deaths in 2005 = 43,443, thus, it seems that medical
system kills 18.4 times as many as motor vehicles.
> What do you think about the inclusion of over a million bedsores as
> a medically-inflicted cause of death? Might not the ailment that
> caused the patient to be bedridden bear some responsibility for the
> death?
IF the Medical Industry can not prevent such common damage, how
could anyone actually believe it could 'treat' of 'cure' anything else?
Laurie
--
Scientifically-credible info on human diet:
http :// ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science
Peter Moran wrote:
PM>>> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than
>>> chemotherapy, ...
>> Any studies?
>
PM> The treatment-related mortality for this in one large study was 2
> out of 412 patients, giving a death rate of about 0.5%.
~ 800,000 is the total number of deaths caused by conventional
medicine per year.
Motor vehicle deaths in 2005 = 43,443, thus, it seems that medical
system kills 18.4 times as many as motor vehicles.
> What do you think about the inclusion of over a million bedsores as
> a medically-inflicted cause of death? Might not the ailment that
> caused the patient to be bedridden bear some responsibility for the
> death?
IF the Medical Industry can not prevent such common damage, how
could anyone actually believe it could 'treat' of 'cure' anything else?
Laurie
--
Scientifically-credible info on human diet:
http :// ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science
Re: So-called cancerwatcher
"Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on,net > wrote in message
news:13jl2eilmm3afd3@corp.supernews,com ...
> "Laurie" <no@spam,com > wrote in message
> news:13jkt7ng146n1b9@corp.supernews,com ...
>> Peter Moran wrote:
>>> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than chemotherapy, ...
>> Any studies?
>
> A little. Perhaps the most common relatively high dose use of chemotherapy
> would be that of metastatic breast cancer. The treatment-related
> mortality for this in one large study was 2 out of 412 patients, giving a
> death rate of about 0.5%.
> See
> Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2003;(1):CD003142.
>
>>
>>> The imperfections of everyday medical practice say nothing about the
>>> basic soundness of conventional approaches ...
>> The fact that the Medical System is the Number One Killer in the
>> US SHOULD say a LOT to those with an open mind.
>> Garry Null: Death by Medicine
>> http :// tinyurl,com /2637v
>
> Have you examined this material? What do you think about the inclusion of
> over a million bedsores as a medically-inflicted cause of death? Might
> not the ailment that caused the patient to be bedridden bear some
> responsibility for the death?
>
The material is easy to. examine. The responsibility is clear.
The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths
caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now
evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and
injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart
disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to
cancer was 553,251.5)
> Unnecessary deaths and other adverse medical events are an admitted
> problem, but if this is to have any perspective relevant to alternative
> medicine it should be noted that people don't get exposed to the risks of
> conventional medicine unless they are ill, and often seriously so, in the
> first place.
What a newsflash!
> Alternative medicine only looks safer because it is not expected to deal
> with the same spectrum of illness, and uses treatments that mostly don't
> do anything much.
>
> PM
>
There would be no need for alternative medicine if conventional worked.
Clearly is does not.
It KILLS!
"Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on,net > wrote in message
news:13jl2eilmm3afd3@corp.supernews,com ...
> "Laurie" <no@spam,com > wrote in message
> news:13jkt7ng146n1b9@corp.supernews,com ...
>> Peter Moran wrote:
>>> ... but motor vehicles kill and maim more people than chemotherapy, ...
>> Any studies?
>
> A little. Perhaps the most common relatively high dose use of chemotherapy
> would be that of metastatic breast cancer. The treatment-related
> mortality for this in one large study was 2 out of 412 patients, giving a
> death rate of about 0.5%.
> See
> Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2003;(1):CD003142.
>
>>
>>> The imperfections of everyday medical practice say nothing about the
>>> basic soundness of conventional approaches ...
>> The fact that the Medical System is the Number One Killer in the
>> US SHOULD say a LOT to those with an open mind.
>> Garry Null: Death by Medicine
>> http :// tinyurl,com /2637v
>
> Have you examined this material? What do you think about the inclusion of
> over a million bedsores as a medically-inflicted cause of death? Might
> not the ailment that caused the patient to be bedridden bear some
> responsibility for the death?
>
The material is easy to. examine. The responsibility is clear.
The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths
caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now
evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and
injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart
disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to
cancer was 553,251.5)
> Unnecessary deaths and other adverse medical events are an admitted
> problem, but if this is to have any perspective relevant to alternative
> medicine it should be noted that people don't get exposed to the risks of
> conventional medicine unless they are ill, and often seriously so, in the
> first place.
What a newsflash!
> Alternative medicine only looks safer because it is not expected to deal
> with the same spectrum of illness, and uses treatments that mostly don't
> do anything much.
>
> PM
>
There would be no need for alternative medicine if conventional worked.
Clearly is does not.
It KILLS!
