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Is it safer to just have the flu?

Reply from: bigvince
Date: 24 Nov 2007, 15:06
Is it safer to just have the flu?

"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels

" * news.yahoo . com /s/nm/20071123/us nm/fda fludrugs dc 2

Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.

An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
behavior......

.........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome."

The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
patients taking the drug'

Thanks Vince

Reply from: The One True Zhen Jue
Date: 24 Nov 2007, 15:14
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

On Nov 24, 9:06 am, bigvince <Vince.Mirag...@gmail . com > wrote:
> "FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
>

No, its not safer to have the flu. Flu has killed hundreds of millions
of people worldwide.

Flu vaccinations MAY cause a small amount of soreness at the injection
site and mild cold symptoms.

Of course, this is common knowledge, something Vince has alienated
himself from.

Reply from: D. C. Sessions
Date: 08 Dec 2007, 19:23
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

In message <b7995bc7-743a-4e68-97b3-d42f3dce25cd@d4g2000prg.googlegroups . com >, The One True Zhen Jue wrote:

> On Nov 24, 9:06 am, bigvince <Vince.Mirag...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> "FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
>>
>
> No, its not safer to have the flu. Flu has killed hundreds of millions
> of people worldwide.
>
> Flu vaccinations MAY cause a small amount of soreness at the injection
> site and mild cold symptoms.
>
> Of course, this is common knowledge, something Vince has alienated
> himself from.

The drugs in question aren't the vaccine, they're the antivirals
used when you get the flu either because you didn't get vaccinated
or the vaccine wasn't effective.

In other words, one way to avoid the effects mentioned is to take
the vaccine.

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Reply from: Jeff
Date: 24 Nov 2007, 15:15
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

bigvince wrote:
> "FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
>
> " * news.yahoo . com /s/nm/20071123/us nm/fda fludrugs dc 2
>
> Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET
>
>
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
> recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
> patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
> Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.
>
> An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
> influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
> held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
> deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
> behavior......
>
> .........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
> the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
> to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
> in a fatal outcome."
>
> The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
> Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
> hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
> patients taking the drug'
>
> Thanks Vince

Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.

Jeff

Reply from: bigvince
Date: 24 Nov 2007, 18:02
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

On Nov 24, 9:15 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> bigvince wrote:
> > "FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
>
> > " * news.yahoo . com /s/nm/20071123/us nm/fda fludrugs dc 2
>
> > Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET
>
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
> > recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
> > patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
> > Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.
>
> > An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
> > influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
> > held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
> > deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
> > behavior......
>
> > .........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
> > the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
> > to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
> > in a fatal outcome."
>
> > The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
> > Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
> > hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
> > patients taking the drug'
>
> > Thanks Vince
>
> Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
> that the flu results in deaths every year.
>

>

Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
you from the original story.

" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned. The answer is yes.

Reply from: Jeff
Date: 24 Nov 2007, 19:13
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

bigvince wrote:
> On Nov 24, 9:15 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>> bigvince wrote:
>>> "FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
>>> " * news.yahoo . com /s/nm/20071123/us nm/fda fludrugs dc 2
>>> Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET
>>> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
>>> recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
>>> patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
>>> Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.
>>> An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
>>> influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
>>> held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
>>> deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
>>> behavior......
>>> .........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
>>> the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
>>> to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
>>> in a fatal outcome."
>>> The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
>>> Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
>>> hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
>>> patients taking the drug'
>>> Thanks Vince
>> Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
>> that the flu results in deaths every year.
>>
>
>
> Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
> you from the original story.
>
> " FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
> to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
> in a fatal outcome.""

sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
drug. So the drugs save lives.

The warning on the package clearly says that the contribution of the
drug to the deaths is uncertain: "Neuropsychiatric Events. There have
been postmarketing reports (mostly from Japan) of self-injury and
delirium with the use of TAMIFLU in patients with influenza. The reports
were primarily among pediatric patients. The relative contribution of
the drug to these events is not known. Patients with influenza should be
closely monitored for signs of abnormal behavior throughout the
treatment period."

> Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
> department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned.

I have never been in the sales department.

> The answer is yes.

And the answer is that the drug still saves lives, and the deaths
reported may or may not be related to the drug.

Jeff

Reply from: drceephd@insightbb . com
Date: 24 Nov 2007, 19:39
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

On Nov 24, 1:13 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > " FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
> > to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
> > in a fatal outcome.""
>
> sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
> drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
> rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
> lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
> drug. So the drugs save lives.

Right. And if you have $100,000 Jeff will sell you a $50,000 home for
$100,000.

Show us the valid evidence where people who have the flu and take
drugs have lower death rates than those who do not take drugs but
conduct the healing process properly.

Remember, the flu is a healing effort on the part of a vital body that
is internally polluted. The flu symptoms are the outward
manifestation of the internal house cleaning going on. The vital body
is acting to provide better health and a longer life. If you mess
with the system, you can only add to the body's burden, and kill many,
if not most, of those who are suffering.

You cannot poison the sick into getting well. You can, however,
poison people by the millions, kill hundreds of thousands of them, and
by the power of your license to kill ( MD=murdering doctor ) claim
that you are benefiting the sick and the dead while pocketing Billions
of dollars.

Isn't modern medicine wonderful?

DrCee
Not a medical moron
Not a pharma shill
Not a member of the medical mafia
Not a member of the church of modern medicine



Reply from: David Wright
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 00:13
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

In article <f510ac53-1b58-4d4d-b707-fa254ac479fb@s36g2000prg.googlegroups . com >,
<drceephd@insightbb . com > wrote:
>On Nov 24, 1:13 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>> > " FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
>> > to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
>> > in a fatal outcome.""
>>
>> sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
>> drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
>> rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
>> lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
>> drug. So the drugs save lives.
>
>Right. And if you have $100,000 Jeff will sell you a $50,000 home for
>$100,000.
>
>Show us the valid evidence where people who have the flu and take
>drugs have lower death rates than those who do not take drugs but
>conduct the healing process properly.

Of course, Cee stacks the deck here -- anyone who dies of the flu
under *his* regimen will be blamed for not "conducting the healing
process properly." It'll turn out they didn't touch third base or
something.

>Remember, the flu is a healing effort on the part of a vital body that
>is internally polluted. The flu symptoms are the outward
>manifestation of the internal house cleaning going on.

Sure, Cee. Of course, you can't tell us what's being cleaned out, or
explain why it happens seasonally, or why it just *happens* to follow
the pattern a contagious disease would follow. Assuming you weren't
crazy and could admit the existence of a contagious disease.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy . net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke

Reply from: t
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 15:40
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?


"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.



Reply from: Jeff
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 16:54
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

t wrote:
> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.

Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
support your claim?

Jeff

Reply from: t
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 17:10
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?


"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:7Vg2j.14486$XT.9307@trnddc01...
>t wrote:
>> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.
>
> Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
> support your claim?
>
I doubt you can understand.



Reply from: Jeff
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 17:17
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

t wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:7Vg2j.14486$XT.9307@trnddc01...
>> t wrote:
>>> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.
>> Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
>> support your claim?
>>
> I doubt you can understand.

In other words, you can't back your claims.

Jeff

Reply from: David Wright
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 17:30
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

In article <Meh2j.14491$XT.13536@trnddc01>,
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote:
>t wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:7Vg2j.14486$XT.9307@trnddc01...
>>> t wrote:
>>>> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.
>>> Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
>>> support your claim?
>>>
>> I doubt you can understand.
>
>In other words, you can't back your claims.

I hope you're not sounding surprised. I mean, when did tools ever
bestir himself to provide any evidence, or do anything other than
whine and snipe from the sidelines?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy . net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke





Reply from: t
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 18:00
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?


"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net > wrote in message
news:Bqh2j.77452$Um6.9187@newssvr12.news.prodigy . net ...
> In article <Meh2j.14491$XT.13536@trnddc01>,
> Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote:
>>t wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>> news:7Vg2j.14486$XT.9307@trnddc01...
>>>> t wrote:
>>>>> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.
>>>> Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
>>>> support your claim?
>>>>
>>> I doubt you can understand.
>>
>>In other words, you can't back your claims.
>
> I hope you're not sounding surprised. I mean, when did tools ever
> bestir himself to provide any evidence, or do anything other than
> whine and snipe from the sidelines?
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy . net
> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> "Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly
> dangerous
> people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke
>
>
Yea, I will just continue to be healthy without drugs. Something you cannot
say or understand.
>



Reply from: David Wright
Date: 25 Nov 2007, 19:00
Re: Is it safer to just have the flu?

In article <A82dncCXwNHbN9TanZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@giganews . com >,
t <tools22@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net > wrote in message
>news:Bqh2j.77452$Um6.9187@newssvr12.news.prodigy . net ...
>> In article <Meh2j.14491$XT.13536@trnddc01>,
>> Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote:
>>>t wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:7Vg2j.14486$XT.9307@trnddc01...
>>>>> t wrote:
>>>>>> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy . net Wrong again.
>>>>> Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
>>>>> support your claim?
>>>>>
>>>> I doubt you can understand.
>>>
>>>In other words, you can't back your claims.
>>
>> I hope you're not sounding surprised. I mean, when did tools ever
>> bestir himself to provide any evidence, or do anything other than
>> whine and snipe from the sidelines?
>>
>Yea, I will just continue to be healthy without drugs. Something you
>cannot say or understand.

The only regular prescription I have is prescription lenses. So up
yours.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy . net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke




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