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Immune Defence & Cancer?
Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
> Hello,
>
> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> mistaken.
>
> As such, will you tell:-
>
> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> Best wishes.
>
That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
Also, cleaning the blood system etc.
> Hello,
>
> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> mistaken.
>
> As such, will you tell:-
>
> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> Best wishes.
>
That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
Also, cleaning the blood system etc.
On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > mistaken.
>
> > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > Best wishes.
>
> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of=
> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
odd cells & so immune system is not followed?
If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
occur on neoplasm.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm
In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
though weakly.
> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > mistaken.
>
> > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > Best wishes.
>
> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of=
> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
odd cells & so immune system is not followed?
If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
occur on neoplasm.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm
In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
though weakly.
on 4/10/08 9:31 AM Kumar said the following:
> On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
>> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
>>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
>>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
>>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
>>> mistaken.
>>> As such, will you tell:-
>>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
>>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
>>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
>>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
>>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>>> Best wishes.
>> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
>> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
>> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
>> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
>> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
>> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
> odd cells & so immune system is not followed?
>
> If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
> occur on neoplasm.
> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm
>
> In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
> recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
> here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
> defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
> obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
> though weakly.
I am not saying no part of the immune system recognizes wayward cells.
But I see much more promise going the epigenetic route for applicable
cancers and using nano tech to deliver anti-cancer drugs more precisely.
But all avenues of research are good and may we have a good toolkit in
the coming years at reasonable cost to knock most cancers out.
> On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
>> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
>>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
>>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
>>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
>>> mistaken.
>>> As such, will you tell:-
>>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
>>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
>>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
>>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
>>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>>> Best wishes.
>> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
>> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
>> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
>> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
>> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
>> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
> odd cells & so immune system is not followed?
>
> If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
> occur on neoplasm.
> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm
>
> In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
> recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
> here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
> defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
> obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
> though weakly.
I am not saying no part of the immune system recognizes wayward cells.
But I see much more promise going the epigenetic route for applicable
cancers and using nano tech to deliver anti-cancer drugs more precisely.
But all avenues of research are good and may we have a good toolkit in
the coming years at reasonable cost to knock most cancers out.
On Apr 11, 6:56 am, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
> on 4/10/08 9:31 AM Kumar said the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
> >> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> >>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also=
> >>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> >>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> >>> mistaken.
> >>> As such, will you tell:-
> >>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> >>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
> >>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> >>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
> >>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> >>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> >>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
> >>> Best wishes.
> >> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake=
of
> >> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
> >> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
> >> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in=
> >> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
> >> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
> > odd cells & so immune system is not followed?
>
> > If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
> > occur on neoplasm.
> >http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm
>
> > In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
> > recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
> > here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
> > defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
> > obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
> > though weakly.
>
> I am not saying no part of the immune system recognizes wayward cells.
> But I see much more promise going the epigenetic route for applicable
> cancers and using nano tech to deliver anti-cancer drugs more precisely.
> But all avenues of research are good and may we have a good toolkit in=
> the coming years at reasonable cost to knock most cancers out.- Hide quote=
d text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
> on 4/10/08 9:31 AM Kumar said the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
> >> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:
>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> >>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also=
> >>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> >>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> >>> mistaken.
> >>> As such, will you tell:-
> >>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> >>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
> >>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> >>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
> >>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> >>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> >>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
> >>> Best wishes.
> >> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake=
of
> >> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
> >> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
> >> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in=
> >> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
> >> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
> > odd cells & so immune system is not followed?
>
> > If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
> > occur on neoplasm.
> >http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm
>
> > In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
> > recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
> > here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
> > defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
> > obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
> > though weakly.
>
> I am not saying no part of the immune system recognizes wayward cells.
> But I see much more promise going the epigenetic route for applicable
> cancers and using nano tech to deliver anti-cancer drugs more precisely.
> But all avenues of research are good and may we have a good toolkit in=
> the coming years at reasonable cost to knock most cancers out.- Hide quote=
d text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> mistaken.
>
> As such, will you tell:-
>
> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.
The best to you.
Kelley
> Hello,
>
> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> mistaken.
>
> As such, will you tell:-
>
> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.
The best to you.
Kelley
On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > mistaken.
>
> > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > Best wishes.
>
> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> anti-cancer properties.
>
> The best to you.
>
> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > mistaken.
>
> > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > Best wishes.
>
> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> anti-cancer properties.
>
> The best to you.
>
> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:
> On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
>>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
>>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
>>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
>>> mistaken.
>>> As such, will you tell:-
>>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
>>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
>>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
>>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
>>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>>> Best wishes.
>> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
>> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
>> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
>> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
>> anti-cancer properties.
>>
>> The best to you.
>>
>> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
shot him to death".
> On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
>>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
>>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
>>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
>>> mistaken.
>>> As such, will you tell:-
>>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
>>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
>>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
>>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
>>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>>> Best wishes.
>> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
>> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
>> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
>> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
>> anti-cancer properties.
>>
>> The best to you.
>>
>> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
shot him to death".
On Apr 11, 6:45 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
> on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> >>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also=
> >>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> >>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> >>> mistaken.
> >>> As such, will you tell:-
> >>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> >>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
> >>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> >>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
> >>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> >>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> >>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
> >>> Best wishes.
> >> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> >> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> >> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> >> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> >> anti-cancer properties.
>
> >> The best to you.
>
> >> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
> The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
> shot him to death".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
???
> on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> >>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also=
> >>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> >>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> >>> mistaken.
> >>> As such, will you tell:-
> >>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> >>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
> >>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> >>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
> >>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> >>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> >>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
> >>> Best wishes.
> >> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> >> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> >> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> >> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> >> anti-cancer properties.
>
> >> The best to you.
>
> >> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
> The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
> shot him to death".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
???
on 4/11/08 11:15 AM Kumar said the following:
> On Apr 11, 6:45 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
>> on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
>>>>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
>>>>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
>>>>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
>>>>> mistaken.
>>>>> As such, will you tell:-
>>>>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
>>>>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>>>>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
>>>>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>>>>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
>>>>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
>>>>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>>>>> Best wishes.
>>>> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
>>>> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
>>>> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
>>>> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
>>>> anti-cancer properties.
>>>> The best to you.
>>>> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
>>> defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
>>> to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>> Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
>> The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
>> shot him to death".- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> ???
Correlation vs implication.
> On Apr 11, 6:45 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
>> on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
>>>>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
>>>>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
>>>>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
>>>>> mistaken.
>>>>> As such, will you tell:-
>>>>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
>>>>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>>>>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
>>>>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>>>>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
>>>>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
>>>>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>>>>> Best wishes.
>>>> Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
>>>> getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
>>>> frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
>>>> against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
>>>> anti-cancer properties.
>>>> The best to you.
>>>> Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
>>> defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
>>> to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>> Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
>> The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
>> shot him to death".- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> ???
Correlation vs implication.
On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hello,
>
> > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > mistaken.
>
> > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > Best wishes.
>
> > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > The best to you.
>
> > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.
> On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hello,
>
> > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > mistaken.
>
> > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > Best wishes.
>
> > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > The best to you.
>
> > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.
On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hello,
>
> > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not=
> > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are al=
so
> > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cell=
s
> > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of=
> > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > The best to you.
>
> > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
placenta.
Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
membrane covering the fetus at birth, the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"
**How they can?
> On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hello,
>
> > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not=
> > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are al=
so
> > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cell=
s
> > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of=
> > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > The best to you.
>
> > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
placenta.
Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
membrane covering the fetus at birth, the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"
**How they can?
On Apr 11, 10:07 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> > > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > > The best to you.
>
> > > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> > Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> > cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
> placenta.
>
> Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
> endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
> or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
>
> Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
> by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
> membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"
>
> **How they can?
You need to understand that when it comes to controversial topics
regarding cancer and other health subjects, Wikipedia tows the line.
Trophoblasts and cancer are one of those controversial subjects.
> On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> > > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > > The best to you.
>
> > > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> > Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> > cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
> placenta.
>
> Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
> endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
> or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
>
> Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
> by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
> membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"
>
> **How they can?
You need to understand that when it comes to controversial topics
regarding cancer and other health subjects, Wikipedia tows the line.
Trophoblasts and cancer are one of those controversial subjects.
On Apr 12, 8:28 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 10:07 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may=
not
> > > > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies ar=
e also
> > > > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cance=
r
> > > > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer =
cells
> > > > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against the=
m?
>
> > > > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state=
is
> > > > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be o=
f
> > > > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during=
> > > > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediat=
ed.
>
> > > > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistak=
e of
> > > > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and=
> > > > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and=
> > > > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > > > The best to you.
>
> > > > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > > > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is abl=
e
> > > > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> > > Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> > > cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
> > placenta.
>
> > Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
> > endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
> > or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
>
> > Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
> > by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
> > membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr=
ophoblast"
>
> > **How they can?
>
> You need to understand that when it comes to controversial topics
> regarding cancer and other health subjects, Wikipedia tows the line.
> Trophoblasts and cancer are one of those controversial subjects.- Hide quo=
ted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Many currently considered aspects can be unclear or contraversial. For
this reason, these discussions may help.
My first question still pending, when/how immune defence recognize
cancer cells as odd cells & start responding on them.
> On Apr 11, 10:07 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may=
not
> > > > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies ar=
e also
> > > > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cance=
r
> > > > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer =
cells
> > > > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against the=
m?
>
> > > > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state=
is
> > > > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be o=
f
> > > > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during=
> > > > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediat=
ed.
>
> > > > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistak=
e of
> > > > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and=
> > > > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and=
> > > > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > > > The best to you.
>
> > > > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > > > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is abl=
e
> > > > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> > > Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> > > cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
> > placenta.
>
> > Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
> > endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
> > or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
>
> > Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
> > by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
> > membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr=
ophoblast"
>
> > **How they can?
>
> You need to understand that when it comes to controversial topics
> regarding cancer and other health subjects, Wikipedia tows the line.
> Trophoblasts and cancer are one of those controversial subjects.- Hide quo=
ted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Many currently considered aspects can be unclear or contraversial. For
this reason, these discussions may help.
My first question still pending, when/how immune defence recognize
cancer cells as odd cells & start responding on them.
On Apr 12, 2:23 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 8:28 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 10:07 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > > > > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > > > > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > > > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > > > > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > > > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > > > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > > > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > > > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > > > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > > > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> > > > > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > > > > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > > > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > > > > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > > > > The best to you.
>
> > > > > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > > > > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > > > > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> > > > Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> > > > cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > "Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
> > > placenta.
>
> > > Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
> > > endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
> > > or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
>
> > > Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
> > > by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
> > > membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"
>
> > > **How they can?
>
> > You need to understand that when it comes to controversial topics
> > regarding cancer and other health subjects, Wikipedia tows the line.
> > Trophoblasts and cancer are one of those controversial subjects.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Many currently considered aspects can be unclear or contraversial. For
> this reason, these discussions may help.
>
> My first question still pending, when/how immune defence recognize
> cancer cells as odd cells & start responding on them.
It's possible that the immune system MIGHT help to prevent a cancer
from getting started. This would be before the cancer is known to
exist in the person. In other words, there is the possibility that the
immune system could help to prevent a cancer cell from fully
activating. Nitric oxide has the ability, for example, to turn off
cancer cells according to some research. (It's been years since I read
about it, so I don't have a link.)
But once the cancer cell has reached full bloom, the immune system
does not recognize the cancer cell as an invader. So, immune cells
can't have any effect on turning off cancer cells.
> On Apr 12, 8:28 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 10:07 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
> > > > > > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
> > > > > > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
> > > > > > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
> > > > > > > mistaken.
>
> > > > > > > As such, will you tell:-
>
> > > > > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
> > > > > > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
>
> > > > > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
> > > > > > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
>
> > > > > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
> > > > > > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
> > > > > > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
>
> > > > > > > Best wishes.
>
> > > > > > Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
> > > > > > getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
> > > > > > frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
> > > > > > against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
> > > > > > anti-cancer properties.
>
> > > > > > The best to you.
>
> > > > > > Kelley- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
> > > > > defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
> > > > > to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
>
> > > > Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
> > > > cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > "Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
> > > placenta.
>
> > > Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
> > > endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
> > > or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**
>
> > > Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
> > > by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
> > > membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"
>
> > > **How they can?
>
> > You need to understand that when it comes to controversial topics
> > regarding cancer and other health subjects, Wikipedia tows the line.
> > Trophoblasts and cancer are one of those controversial subjects.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Many currently considered aspects can be unclear or contraversial. For
> this reason, these discussions may help.
>
> My first question still pending, when/how immune defence recognize
> cancer cells as odd cells & start responding on them.
It's possible that the immune system MIGHT help to prevent a cancer
from getting started. This would be before the cancer is known to
exist in the person. In other words, there is the possibility that the
immune system could help to prevent a cancer cell from fully
activating. Nitric oxide has the ability, for example, to turn off
cancer cells according to some research. (It's been years since I read
about it, so I don't have a link.)
But once the cancer cell has reached full bloom, the immune system
does not recognize the cancer cell as an invader. So, immune cells
can't have any effect on turning off cancer cells.
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