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[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

Reply from: JOHN
Date: 15 Aug 2007, 15:31
[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

* w w w .reviewingaids.org/awiki/index.php/Document:Massive_Fraud_Behind_HIV_Tests
Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across
one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the
guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he
said all the right things. That is, he didn't know there was an intense
propaganda campaign coordinated at high levels to 'protect' HIV as the cause
of AIDS. But he knew the science. He knew the difference between real
research and badly done or fake research. And HIV was, make no mistake about
it, a fake from day one."

Medavoy said, "A lot of what we did at this point was stop things from
getting into print. That's often more important than planting lies. As far
as Duesberg was concerned, I can tell you there were many newspapers and
magazines who were ready to give his views some space. You know, maverick
scientist rejects HIV as cause of AIDS. So we began a coordinated effort to
keep that from happening. We let the scientists at NIH [National Institutes
of Health], who had the most to lose if Duesberg could establish a credible
beachhead, handle the PR on rejecting Duesberg's science. They engaged in
some character assassination as well, which was fine. We, on the other side,
got "reliable sources" to go to those newspapers and magazines and tell them
that to print anything good about Duesberg was DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE.
That was our tack. We had our people say that thousands of people could die
if they stopped believing that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Promiscuous sex
would become more rampant than ever, people would get infected, get sick,
and spread the virus even further. We hammered on all this, and we cowed
most of those media outlets. It worked, for the most part."

"As far as the very embarrassing and growing list of AIDS survivors was
concerned - the people who had rejected the idea of HIV and were rebuilding
their health successfully without medical drugs - we tried to keep track of
pending stories on these people, and we went to those media outlets and told
them these people were 'vegetarian kooks' and 'anecdotal examples who had
not been studied by real scientists' and 'publicity seekers' and so on. We
said some of them had never really been HIV positive to begin with. It was
like shooting pigeons. We did pretty well. Some stories did appear on these
survivors, but the general tone was, 'so and so is a strange curiosity and
scientists are studying why he has managed to live for so long without
getting sick, and this may hold promise for future research.' You know, all
that crap."

Here is another choice quote from Medavoy on the AIDS scam. He told me this
in 1996:

"Some other operatives I was aware of played a role in getting mainstream
researchers to lobby for, and win, a new standard for HIV illness, based
purely on numbers of T-cells. [Note: this "innovation" came later, long
after 1987.] Tests would determine if a person was 'getting sick,' or if he
was 'getting better' after taking his AZT - all measured by how many T-cells
[part of the immune system defense] showed up on the tests. These operatives
knew, and had been briefed on this, that T-cells could actually vary all
over the place, up and down, depending on factors like the time of day a
person was given the test. It was another area of shoddy science, and they
took advantage of it. I'll give you an example. You've got some guy who has
been told he's HIV positive, and so, even though he's not sick at all, he
gets tested every few months for numbers of T-cells. Sooner or later, those
numbers will go down on a test. If the doctor isn't really attentive, he'll
tell the patient he is now officially diagnosed with full-blown AIDS,
because those numbers are too low. If the patient hasn't been taking AZT
yet, he will go for it now."



Reply from: Flec
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 06:42
Re: [2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

*Plonk*



Reply from: SanHolo
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 15:02
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news,
we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become
sick because they have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV
positive. They don't need to learn to use condoms, because it's not
the virus that makes them sick! Great, we can save millions of dollars
which would have gone into programs to spread the use of condoms -
they can all be abandoned! Let's put that money into research of the
REAL cause of AIDS! Hooray!!!

And those T-Cell levels are fake, too? Great! I wondered anyway,
because those AIDS-defining levels are way lower than any healthy
individual will ever have. So, T-Cell levels have nothing to do with
how potent your immune system is! It's all al lie! I knew it from day
one! Die, scientists, die!!!


Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.


Reply from: JOHN
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 16:28
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


"SanHolo" <help.you.i.can@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:1187269329.473862.100350@57g2000hsv.googlegroups . com ...

>
> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
>

truth can take some swallowing. The bigger the lie and father away you away
from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.

"My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
retrovirus that was being used as a cover story to explain/conceal an
emerging depopulation operation in the Third World. HIV was also a cover for
other agendas outside the Third World. As long as AIDS is the target of
WHO/UN "humanitarian" efforts, the actual causes - which are easily
reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to
remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport



Reply from: drceephd@insightbb . com
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 16:42
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

On Aug 16, 10:28 am, "JOHN" <j...@nospam . com > wrote:
> "SanHolo" <help.you.i....@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> news:1187269329.473862.100350@57g2000hsv.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
>
> truth can take some swallowing. The bigger the lie and father away you away
> from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.
>
> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story to explain/conceal an
> emerging depopulation operation in the Third World. HIV was also a cover for
> other agendas outside the Third World. As long as AIDS is the target of
> WHO/UN "humanitarian" efforts, the actual causes - which are easily
> reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to
> remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


In my consulting efforts, the only person that has been lost to
HIV=AIDS nonsense was the one who took AZT. I warned the person, but
the doc convinced the person to take AZT. We buried him 6 months
later.

Definition: Propaganda pill. A governmental lie covered with a
little truth that people will swallow and believe. The lie is HIV
causes AIDS. The smattering of truth is that people are dying and
they, and you, are being told is was HIV.
The docs are being spoon fed this profitable lie. The scientists are
forced to keep their mouths shut. There is plenty of money for
everyone that way. Just don't rock the boat.

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.


Reply from: JOHN
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 17:25
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


<drceephd@insightbb . com > wrote in message
news:1187275357.261087.284380@g12g2000prg.googlegroups . com ...

>
> Definition: Propaganda pill. A governmental lie covered with a
> little truth that people will swallow and believe. The lie is HIV
> causes AIDS. The smattering of truth is that people are dying and
> they, and you, are being told is was HIV.
> The docs are being spoon fed this profitable lie. The scientists are
> forced to keep their mouths shut. There is plenty of money for
> everyone that way. Just don't rock the boat.
>
> DrCee
> Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
>

The people who only get their information via media are completely naive and
seduced into propaganda that sells you the gate they want you to go through

hard to swallow if you have nowhere to jump too, atheists basically, which
is why the state religion is atheism/we are alone/came from swamp life/this
is hell



Reply from: Death
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 19:04
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


"JOHN" <john@nospam . com > wrote in message
>
> truth can take some swallowing. The bigger the lie and father away you away
> from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.
>
Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?

> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ... ... ...

Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what?

From the top of my head and going through a short list we have had :
1. something
2.malnutrition/poverty
3.something
4.AZT/meds
5.something
6.monkeys
7.something
8.tainted flu/polio shots
9.and the every popular, something- where-ever it came from-.



Reply from: JOHN
Date: 16 Aug 2007, 23:00
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


" Death" <Death@yourdoor . net > wrote in message
news:ws%wi.13253$aa7.581@bignews3.bellsouth . net ...

>>
> Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?

not lies * w w w .whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html

>
>> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
>> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ... ...
>> ...
>
> Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what?
>
>

Pharma meds * w w w .whale.to/a/pharma_aids.html

inc vaccination * w w w .whale.to/v/biowarfare.html

and the 25 aids umbrella diseases * w w w .whale.to/a/aids_umbrella_h.html

plus malnutrition etc

simple really



Reply from: drceephd@insightbb . com
Date: 17 Aug 2007, 02:30
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

On Aug 16, 5:00 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam . com > wrote:
> " Death" <De...@yourdoor . net > wrote in message
>
> news:ws%wi.13253$aa7.581@bignews3.bellsouth . net ...
>
>
>
> > Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?
>
> not lies * w w w .whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html
>
>
>
> >> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
> >> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ... ...
> >> ...
>
> > Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what?
>
> Pharma meds * w w w .whale.to/a/pharma_aids.html
>
> inc vaccination * w w w .whale.to/v/biowarfare.html
>
> and the 25 aids umbrella diseases * w w w .whale.to/a/aids_umbrella_h.html
>
> plus malnutrition etc
>
> simple really

John, this is getting very Orwellian.

Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a
cancer of unknown origin.

In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e.
AIDS, a retro-virus.

Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a
virus. Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed?

How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation? Has a
retro-virus mutated into a virus? Or has a virus mutated into a retro-
virus? When will the medical moguls make up their minds?

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.



Reply from: SanHolo
Date: 17 Aug 2007, 14:46
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

On Aug 17, 2:30 am, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
>
> Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a
> cancer of unknown origin.
>
> In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e.
> AIDS, a retro-virus.
>
> Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a
> virus. Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed?
>
> How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation? Has a
> retro-virus mutated into a virus? Or has a virus mutated into a retro-
> virus? When will the medical moguls make up their minds?
>
> DrCee
> Not a member of the church of modern medicine.


Mr. Cee, I was just wondering - do you read the fantasies you're
telling in some book or do you pull them out of your own nose? HPV has
been known to be associated with cervical cancer since the 80ies.

* w w w .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=6282442
(1982)
* w w w .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=6299907
(1985)


Reply from: drceephd@insightbb . com
Date: 17 Aug 2007, 20:03
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

On Aug 17, 8:46 am, SanHolo <help.you.i....@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2:30 am, drcee...@insightbb . com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a
> > cancer of unknown origin.
>
> > In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e.
> > AIDS, a retro-virus.
>
> > Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a
> > virus. Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed?
>
> > How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation? Has a
> > retro-virus mutated into a virus? Or has a virus mutated into a retro-
> > virus? When will the medical moguls make up their minds?
>
> > DrCee
> > Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
>
> Mr. Cee, I was just wondering - do you read the fantasies you're
> telling in some book or do you pull them out of your own nose? HPV has
> been known to be associated with cervical cancer since the 80ies.
>
> * w w w .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView...
> (1982) * w w w .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView...
> (1985)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

uhh, dufus,

You need to learn how to read the litterature.

These papers discuss an association. They examined some women and
concluded that some had HPV. What brand, type, or number was not
mentioned.

Neither of these papers indicated that the HPV reported was anything
more than innocent bystanders.

Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV
present. That HPV must be shown to cause the disease. That has never
been done in humans or animals for HPV.

Unless you can put the HPV on a cotton swap, not in a syringe, and
apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops
cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus.

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.


Reply from: Death
Date: 18 Aug 2007, 00:22
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


<drceephd@insightbb . com > wrote in message
>
> Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV
> present. That HPV must be shown to cause the disease. That has never
> been done in humans or animals for HPV.
>
> Unless you can put the HPV on a cotton swap, not in a syringe, and
> apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops
> cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus.
>
* w w w .niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm



Reply from: monty1945@lycos . com
Date: 18 Aug 2007, 01:37
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

"AIDS" is about 30 different "diseases," most of them old ones, or
else just "markers," with no symptoms, though the definition varies
from one place to another. It is the responsibility of the claimant
to put forth a clear, succinct hypothesis. This was done initially
with "HIV/AIDS," but it turned out to be wrong, and now the "experts"
don't seem to mind saying "we don't understand the mechanism," even
though this means that an entirely different way to help such people
("AIDS patients") is called for, and the present "medicines" may be
doing more harm than good.

I'm more than willing to be "infected with HIV," but because it cannot
be found, even in those with "high viral loads," this experiment can
never take place. How some people can think it reasonable that "high
viral load" individuals have no actual virus particles in them will
likely be something students snicker at in history classes of the
future, the way students now snicker at the witchcraft craze of
several hundred years ago.


Reply from: drceephd@insightbb . com
Date: 18 Aug 2007, 02:42
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

On Aug 17, 6:22 pm, " Death" <De...@yourdoor . net > wrote:
> <drcee...@insightbb . com > wrote in message
>
> > Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV
> > present. That HPV must be shown to cause the disease. That has never
> > been done in humans or animals for HPV.
>
> > Unless you can put the HPV on a cotton swap, not in a syringe, and
> > apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops
> > cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus.
>
> * w w w .niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm

uhh, dufus,

your referral fails both step 1 and 2.

Not all cases of supposed AIDS cases show HIV antigens. Antigens are
not HIV. Antigens only, maybe, possibly, referr to the memory of an
exposure to HIV.

Still, none of the claims can show that HIV can be isolated and grown
in culture. If HIV was isolated, from what was it isolated, what was
the medium it was grown in, etc?

Who are you trying to fool? Someone who cannot read and understand?

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.


Reply from: Death
Date: 18 Aug 2007, 03:14
Re: Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport


<drceephd@insightbb . com > wrote in message

> On Aug 17, 6:22 pm, " Death" <De...@yourdoor . net > wrote:
> >
> > * w w w .niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm
>
> uhh, dufus,
>
> your referral fails both step 1 and 2.
>
* rethinkingaids . com /GalloRebuttal/Farber-Gallo-40.html




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