Re: AIDS & Inracellular latent infections?On Sep 29, 1:15 pm, SanHolo <help.you.i....@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 5:35 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail . com > wrote:
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> > On Sep 26, 4:44 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail . com > wrote:
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> > > Hello,
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> > > "
> > > the triangular shapes specific to each disease pathogen and sets up a
> > > standing wave within the mass of the structure which causes an
> > > expansion of the intracellular fluids which subsequently rupture the
> > > protective coating that holds the structure together. * w w w .rifeforum . com /forum/showt...=7683#post7683"
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> > > I am not interested in discussing about this treatment or PYRO-ENERGEN
> > > treatments. But I am interested to know about possible cellular
> > > swelling and brusting/lysis as indicated in above quote. Does it
> > > happens in AIDs and other intracellular & latent infections? Can such
> > > infectious agents, when intracellular, cause increased in cellular
> > > tonicity due to their presence resulting fragile cell membrane,
> > > swelling and brusting of cells?
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> > > If yes, how such lysis/brusting can affect? Will it increase (by
> > > spread of infectious agents on lysis) or treat(premature death) the
> > > disease?
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> > > Whether, such disease are related to immune cells only?
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> > "Programmed cell death is an integral part of both plant and animal
> > tissue development. Development of an organ or tissue is often
> > preceded by the extensive division and differentiation of a particular
> > cell, the resultant mass is then "pruned" into the correct form by
> > apoptosis. Unlike cellular death caused by injury, apoptosis results
> > in cell shrinkage and fragmentation.
> > This allows the cells to be efficiently phagocytosed and their
> > components reused without releasing potentially harmful intracellular
> > substances into the surrounding tissue. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis"
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> > How above apoptosis is resisted on HIV infection?
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> First, do not even consider monthy1s answer. All I say to his claims
> are this: * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aids_denial
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> Then, to your questions:
> HIV acts like many other viruses, they have their DNA implemented in
> the DNA of the infected cell (any cell can be infected this way).
> That's why the immune system can't find it, it's simply DNA for the
> moment. When the cell starts producing the proteins encoded in the
> "viral" DNA, then the cell can be recognized as infected and killed
> (look for HLA 1 and HLA 2 in your books/online). Maybe the infected
> cell starts to generate the viral proteins and assemble the viruses
> too fast and the cell bursts before it is found and killed by the
> immune system. This kills the infected cells and leads to necrosis,
> not the much cleaner and tissue-friendlier apoptosis, and further
> spreads the virus. That's how you get a sore throat for example, many
> cells lining your larynx die and the protective layer is weakened.
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> The case of HIV is special because it infects those cells, which would
> in other infections recognize and tell the infected cells to commit
> apoptosis. It's like burning down police stations before going on a
> riot. =)
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> I hope that helps.
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I give link url in op again'
* w w w .rifeforum . com /forum/showthread.php?p=7683#post7683
I think these are lytic and lysogenic cycles as per following link.
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lytic_cycle
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysogenic_cycle
On infection, cells may go either way. Apoptosiscan be pursued on
infection. Unlike cellular death caused by injury, apoptosis results
in cell shrinkage and fragmentation. Now, when cells is infected and
multiplies to some level. Cell should become hypertonic due to
increased cellular contents rsulting cell swelling and brusting later
on. Any mechanism, if can take their water in early stages, should be
able to kill those infected cells. Actually one healing agent(salt,
sulphur based) is thought to related to taking away water of infected
cells and kill it.