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Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her
pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I
have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?'
And ... he swore at me...
And the MMR shot doesn't even have any mercury!
Yuri.
_______________________________
* adventuresinautism.blogspot . com /2007/09/jenny-mccarthy-on-oprah-vaccine-injury.html
Jenny McCarthy on Oprah: Vaccine Injury
Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:
Yesterday, after 22 years, Oprah finally talked about vaccine injured
children when she interviewed Hollywood Moms, Jenny McCarthy and Holly
Peete. Jenny has written a book on her experience of watching her two and a
half year old son regress into autism after an MMR shot.
On the show, Jenny talked about the increases in autism among children and
asked what parents of vaccine injured children have been asking for a
quarter century: "What number will it take for people just to start
listening to what the mothers of children who have seen autism have been
saying for years, which is, 'We vaccinated our baby and something happened."
Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her
pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I
have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?'
And he said, 'No, that is ridiculous. It is a mother's desperate attempt to
blame something,' and he swore at me, and then the nurse gave [Evan] the
shot," she says. "And I remember going, 'Oh, God, I hope he's right.' And
soon thereafter-boom-the soul's gone from his eyes."
The CDC's prepared response to a query from the Oprah Show staff about
whether there is a link between autism and vaccines was "CDC places a high
priority on vaccine safety and the integrity and credibility of its vaccine
safety research. This commitment not only stems from our scientific and
medical dedication, it is also personal-for most of us who work at CDC are
also parents and grandparents. And as such, we too, have high levels of
personal interest and concern in the health and safety of children, families
and communities. We simply don't know what causes most cases of autism, but
we're doing everything we can to find out. The vast majority of science to
date does not support an association between thimerosal in vaccines and
autism. But we are currently conducting additional studies to further
determine what role, if any, thimerosal in vaccines may play in the
development of autism. It is important to remember, vaccines protect and
save lives. Vaccines protect infants, children and adults from the
unnecessary harm and premature death caused by vaccine-preventable
diseases."
It is curious that the CDC would confine its response regarding the
autism-vaccine connection to thimerosal, when MMR vaccine has been strongly
associated with regressive autism and live virus MMR vaccine never contained
thimerosal. The National Vaccine Information Center, which has operated a
Vaccine Reaction Registry since 1982, continues to receive reports from
parents describing how their children regressed after receiving live virus
or non- mercury containing vaccines, often after being given 8 to 12
vaccines on one day. The most heart-breaking stories are when children are
vaccinated over and over again despite deteriorating health because their
pediatricians are in denial about vaccine risks.
Jenny McCarthy gave a star turn on Oprah when she clearly, simply and
passionately described what happened to her son after vaccination and how
she was empowered by information she found on the internet to find ways to
cure his vaccine-associated regressive autism. She listened to her mother's
instinct and pursued a course of treatment that involved nutrition and other
alternative therapies. It is a story of a mother's love and determination to
heal her son after he was given the diagnosis of autism, a neuroimmune
disorder that so many pediatricians are taught is untreatable.
In the early 1990's, a mother in California, Cindy Goldenberg, was the first
Mom to cure her son of regressive autism by listening to her mother's
instincts and doing her own research into vaccine-induced neuroimmune
dysfunction. Her son experienced regressive autism after receiving MMR
vaccine. Cindy sought out IVIG therapy as well as nutritional and probiotic
therapies that she said "healed his gut." Her son was soon in a regular
classroom and this year he graduated from high school.
As of last night, there were nearly 2,000 messages, primarily from Moms, for
Jenny and Holly posted on Oprah's website at
* w w w .oprah . com /community/thread/1812
Bravo, Oprah. You allowed Jenny to tell it like it is. You have helped
millions of Moms across America understand what happened to their children,
who changed physically, mentally and emotionally after getting vaccinated,
and now suffer with autism and other kinds of vaccine-induced brain and
immune system dysfunction such as learning disabilities, ADHD, seizure
disorders, asthma, and diabetes.
If your child stopped speaking, wouldn't look you in the eye and completely
ignored the world around them, what would you do? In her new book, Louder
Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, actress Jenny McCarthy
shares her emotional story of diagnosis, hope, faith and recovery-a journey
many thousands of parents now face.
National Vaccine Information Center
email:news@nvic.org
voice: 703-938-dpt3
web: * w w w .nvic.org
Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her
pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I
have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?'
And ... he swore at me...
And the MMR shot doesn't even have any mercury!
Yuri.
_______________________________
* adventuresinautism.blogspot . com /2007/09/jenny-mccarthy-on-oprah-vaccine-injury.html
Jenny McCarthy on Oprah: Vaccine Injury
Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:
Yesterday, after 22 years, Oprah finally talked about vaccine injured
children when she interviewed Hollywood Moms, Jenny McCarthy and Holly
Peete. Jenny has written a book on her experience of watching her two and a
half year old son regress into autism after an MMR shot.
On the show, Jenny talked about the increases in autism among children and
asked what parents of vaccine injured children have been asking for a
quarter century: "What number will it take for people just to start
listening to what the mothers of children who have seen autism have been
saying for years, which is, 'We vaccinated our baby and something happened."
Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her
pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I
have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?'
And he said, 'No, that is ridiculous. It is a mother's desperate attempt to
blame something,' and he swore at me, and then the nurse gave [Evan] the
shot," she says. "And I remember going, 'Oh, God, I hope he's right.' And
soon thereafter-boom-the soul's gone from his eyes."
The CDC's prepared response to a query from the Oprah Show staff about
whether there is a link between autism and vaccines was "CDC places a high
priority on vaccine safety and the integrity and credibility of its vaccine
safety research. This commitment not only stems from our scientific and
medical dedication, it is also personal-for most of us who work at CDC are
also parents and grandparents. And as such, we too, have high levels of
personal interest and concern in the health and safety of children, families
and communities. We simply don't know what causes most cases of autism, but
we're doing everything we can to find out. The vast majority of science to
date does not support an association between thimerosal in vaccines and
autism. But we are currently conducting additional studies to further
determine what role, if any, thimerosal in vaccines may play in the
development of autism. It is important to remember, vaccines protect and
save lives. Vaccines protect infants, children and adults from the
unnecessary harm and premature death caused by vaccine-preventable
diseases."
It is curious that the CDC would confine its response regarding the
autism-vaccine connection to thimerosal, when MMR vaccine has been strongly
associated with regressive autism and live virus MMR vaccine never contained
thimerosal. The National Vaccine Information Center, which has operated a
Vaccine Reaction Registry since 1982, continues to receive reports from
parents describing how their children regressed after receiving live virus
or non- mercury containing vaccines, often after being given 8 to 12
vaccines on one day. The most heart-breaking stories are when children are
vaccinated over and over again despite deteriorating health because their
pediatricians are in denial about vaccine risks.
Jenny McCarthy gave a star turn on Oprah when she clearly, simply and
passionately described what happened to her son after vaccination and how
she was empowered by information she found on the internet to find ways to
cure his vaccine-associated regressive autism. She listened to her mother's
instinct and pursued a course of treatment that involved nutrition and other
alternative therapies. It is a story of a mother's love and determination to
heal her son after he was given the diagnosis of autism, a neuroimmune
disorder that so many pediatricians are taught is untreatable.
In the early 1990's, a mother in California, Cindy Goldenberg, was the first
Mom to cure her son of regressive autism by listening to her mother's
instincts and doing her own research into vaccine-induced neuroimmune
dysfunction. Her son experienced regressive autism after receiving MMR
vaccine. Cindy sought out IVIG therapy as well as nutritional and probiotic
therapies that she said "healed his gut." Her son was soon in a regular
classroom and this year he graduated from high school.
As of last night, there were nearly 2,000 messages, primarily from Moms, for
Jenny and Holly posted on Oprah's website at
* w w w .oprah . com /community/thread/1812
Bravo, Oprah. You allowed Jenny to tell it like it is. You have helped
millions of Moms across America understand what happened to their children,
who changed physically, mentally and emotionally after getting vaccinated,
and now suffer with autism and other kinds of vaccine-induced brain and
immune system dysfunction such as learning disabilities, ADHD, seizure
disorders, asthma, and diabetes.
If your child stopped speaking, wouldn't look you in the eye and completely
ignored the world around them, what would you do? In her new book, Louder
Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, actress Jenny McCarthy
shares her emotional story of diagnosis, hope, faith and recovery-a journey
many thousands of parents now face.
National Vaccine Information Center
email:news@nvic.org
voice: 703-938-dpt3
web: * w w w .nvic.org
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote...
> Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her
> pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I
> have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?'
> And ... he swore at me...
>
> And the MMR shot doesn't even have any mercury!
>
> Yuri.
>
>
>
> * adventuresinautism.blogspot . com /2007/09/jenny-mccarthy-on-oprah-vaccine-injury.html
>
> Jenny McCarthy on Oprah: Vaccine Injury
> Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:
>
> Yesterday, after 22 years, Oprah finally talked about vaccine injured
> children when she interviewed Hollywood Moms, Jenny McCarthy and Holly
> Peete. Jenny has written a book on her experience of watching her two and a
> half year old son regress into autism after an MMR shot.
>
> On the show, Jenny talked about the increases in autism among children and
> asked what parents of vaccine injured children have been asking for a
> quarter century: "What number will it take for people just to start
> listening to what the mothers of children who have seen autism have been
> saying for years, which is, 'We vaccinated our baby and something happened."
I use Oprah as a nonsense filter. There is too much real science to for people
to analyze properly, then there is even more pseudoscience and even religious
bullshit tossed in that it becomes difficult to sort out what is valid and
what is nonsense. While there are too many ideas to test them all for validity,
it is easy to discard all those that appeared on Oprah or Dr. Phil and received
their endorsement. I also subscribe to a "If George Bush supports it then it
must be stupid and dangerous" philosophy, another way to narrow the field of
ideas to avoid wasting valuable time debating retarded stuff.
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote...
> Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her
> pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I
> have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?'
> And ... he swore at me...
>
> And the MMR shot doesn't even have any mercury!
>
> Yuri.
>
>
>
> * adventuresinautism.blogspot . com /2007/09/jenny-mccarthy-on-oprah-vaccine-injury.html
>
> Jenny McCarthy on Oprah: Vaccine Injury
> Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:
>
> Yesterday, after 22 years, Oprah finally talked about vaccine injured
> children when she interviewed Hollywood Moms, Jenny McCarthy and Holly
> Peete. Jenny has written a book on her experience of watching her two and a
> half year old son regress into autism after an MMR shot.
>
> On the show, Jenny talked about the increases in autism among children and
> asked what parents of vaccine injured children have been asking for a
> quarter century: "What number will it take for people just to start
> listening to what the mothers of children who have seen autism have been
> saying for years, which is, 'We vaccinated our baby and something happened."
I use Oprah as a nonsense filter. There is too much real science to for people
to analyze properly, then there is even more pseudoscience and even religious
bullshit tossed in that it becomes difficult to sort out what is valid and
what is nonsense. While there are too many ideas to test them all for validity,
it is easy to discard all those that appeared on Oprah or Dr. Phil and received
their endorsement. I also subscribe to a "If George Bush supports it then it
must be stupid and dangerous" philosophy, another way to narrow the field of
ideas to avoid wasting valuable time debating retarded stuff.
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Oh boy, Oprah
he he he he he he he he
> I use Oprah as a nonsense filter. There is too much real science to for
> people
> to analyze properly, then there is even more pseudoscience and even
> religious
> bullshit tossed in that it becomes difficult to sort out what is valid and
> what is nonsense. While there are too many ideas to test them all for
> validity,
> it is easy to discard all those that appeared on Oprah or Dr. Phil and
> received
> their endorsement. I also subscribe to a "If George Bush supports it then
> it
> must be stupid and dangerous" philosophy, another way to narrow the field
> of
> ideas to avoid wasting valuable time debating retarded stuff.
Indicates your total ignorance of any and all science plus your hate based
opinions.
Oh boy, Oprah
he he he he he he he he
> I use Oprah as a nonsense filter. There is too much real science to for
> people
> to analyze properly, then there is even more pseudoscience and even
> religious
> bullshit tossed in that it becomes difficult to sort out what is valid and
> what is nonsense. While there are too many ideas to test them all for
> validity,
> it is easy to discard all those that appeared on Oprah or Dr. Phil and
> received
> their endorsement. I also subscribe to a "If George Bush supports it then
> it
> must be stupid and dangerous" philosophy, another way to narrow the field
> of
> ideas to avoid wasting valuable time debating retarded stuff.
Indicates your total ignorance of any and all science plus your hate based
opinions.
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
> Oh boy, Oprah
>
> he he he he he he he he
Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big Pharma.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of the
AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become learning
disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with children
who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman & ASTM
Member March 2002
* w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
"Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
> Oh boy, Oprah
>
> he he he he he he he he
Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big Pharma.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of the
AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become learning
disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with children
who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman & ASTM
Member March 2002
* w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>
>> he he he he he he he he
>
> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big Pharma.
>
> Yuri.
If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and
challenging big pharm intelligently.
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>
> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of the
> AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become learning
> disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with children
> who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman & ASTM
> Member March 2002
> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she
doesn't, although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations,
science or medicine.
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>
>> he he he he he he he he
>
> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big Pharma.
>
> Yuri.
If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and
challenging big pharm intelligently.
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>
> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of the
> AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become learning
> disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with children
> who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman & ASTM
> Member March 2002
> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she
doesn't, although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations,
science or medicine.
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>
>>> he he he he he he he he
>>
>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>> Pharma.
>>
>> Yuri.
>
> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
>
> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and challenging
> big pharm intelligently.
>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>
>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI
>> Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>
> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she doesn't,
> although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations, science or
> medicine.
>
You got that 100% right.
Whale and Oprah in the same reference? WOW.
Oh don't forget that Oprah now has 20lbs extra from a thyroid condition.
Yep, her thyroid can't handle the calories he he he he he he
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>
>>> he he he he he he he he
>>
>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>> Pharma.
>>
>> Yuri.
>
> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
>
> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and challenging
> big pharm intelligently.
>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>
>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI
>> Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>
> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she doesn't,
> although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations, science or
> medicine.
>
You got that 100% right.
Whale and Oprah in the same reference? WOW.
Oh don't forget that Oprah now has 20lbs extra from a thyroid condition.
Yep, her thyroid can't handle the calories he he he he he he
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>
>>> he he he he he he he he
>>
>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>> Pharma.
>>
>> Yuri.
>
> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find
the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and
that's just the way it is."
> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and challenging
> big pharm intelligently.
So what is the cause of autism? Give me your intelligent response.
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>
>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI
>> Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>
> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she doesn't,
> although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations, science or
> medicine.
Actually this is quite stupid. It's called shooting the messenger, a common
logical fallacy...
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>
>>> he he he he he he he he
>>
>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>> Pharma.
>>
>> Yuri.
>
> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find
the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and
that's just the way it is."
> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and challenging
> big pharm intelligently.
So what is the cause of autism? Give me your intelligent response.
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>
>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI
>> Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>
> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she doesn't,
> although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations, science or
> medicine.
Actually this is quite stupid. It's called shooting the messenger, a common
logical fallacy...
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>>
>>>> he he he he he he he he
>>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>>> Pharma.
>>>
>>> Yuri.
>> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
>> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
>> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
>
> "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
> practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
> for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find
> the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and
> that's just the way it is."
>
>> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and challenging
>> big pharm intelligently.
>
> So what is the cause of autism? Give me your intelligent response.
There are several different factors that lead to autism, including
genetic and environmental factors. The best evidence suggests that
vaccines are not one of the environmental factors. There is little to no
evidence that suggests that vaccines cause autism and much evidence that
shows that vaccines make, at most, a tiny contribution to autism. For
example, in studies that looked at videos of kids who later because
autistic, there were signs of behavioral problems before they ever got
vaccinated with MMR.
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>>
>>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI
>>> Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
>> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she doesn't,
>> although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations, science or
>> medicine.
>
> Actually this is quite stupid.
Yes, I agree. The site is stupid.
> It's called shooting the messenger, a common
> logical fallacy...
No. The messenger is choosing low-quality information to pass on rather
than scientifically based information or information that is up-to-date.
This is consistent with a complete lack of understanding of science,
medicine and vaccinces on the part of the person who runs the site,
whoever he is she is ((s)he choose not put her/his name on the site -
perhaps because (s)he is too embarrassed).
Jeff
> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>
> "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
> depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair
>
>
>
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>>
>>>> he he he he he he he he
>>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>>> Pharma.
>>>
>>> Yuri.
>> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
>> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
>> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
>
> "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
> practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
> for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find
> the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and
> that's just the way it is."
>
>> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and challenging
>> big pharm intelligently.
>
> So what is the cause of autism? Give me your intelligent response.
There are several different factors that lead to autism, including
genetic and environmental factors. The best evidence suggests that
vaccines are not one of the environmental factors. There is little to no
evidence that suggests that vaccines cause autism and much evidence that
shows that vaccines make, at most, a tiny contribution to autism. For
example, in studies that looked at videos of kids who later because
autistic, there were signs of behavioral problems before they ever got
vaccinated with MMR.
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>>
>>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI
>>> Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
>> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she doesn't,
>> although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations, science or
>> medicine.
>
> Actually this is quite stupid.
Yes, I agree. The site is stupid.
> It's called shooting the messenger, a common
> logical fallacy...
No. The messenger is choosing low-quality information to pass on rather
than scientifically based information or information that is up-to-date.
This is consistent with a complete lack of understanding of science,
medicine and vaccinces on the part of the person who runs the site,
whoever he is she is ((s)he choose not put her/his name on the site -
perhaps because (s)he is too embarrassed).
Jeff
> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>
> "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
> depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair
>
>
>
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:4A9Ui.10189$MV4.6931@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>>>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>>>
>>>>> he he he he he he he he
>>>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>>>> Pharma.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
>>> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
>>> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
>>
>> "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
>> practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
>> for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't
>> find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing
>> none, and that's just the way it is."
>>
>>> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and
>>> challenging big pharm intelligently.
>>
>> So what is the cause of autism? Give me your intelligent response.
>
> There are several different factors that lead to autism, including genetic
> and environmental factors. The best evidence suggests that vaccines are
> not one of the environmental factors. There is little to no evidence that
> suggests that vaccines cause autism and much evidence that shows that
> vaccines make, at most, a tiny contribution to autism. For example, in
> studies that looked at videos of kids who later because autistic, there
> were signs of behavioral problems before they ever got vaccinated with
> MMR.
In other words, you have no explanation for autism...
Please comment on the quote above about the Amish children, who have no
autism.
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>>>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>>>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>>>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E.,
>>>> VOSI Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>>>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>>> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
>>> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she
>>> doesn't, although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations,
>>> science or medicine.
>>
>> Actually this is quite stupid.
>
> Yes, I agree. The site is stupid.
>
>> It's called shooting the messenger, a common logical fallacy...
>
> No. The messenger is choosing low-quality information to pass on rather
> than scientifically based information or information that is up-to-date.
>
> This is consistent with a complete lack of understanding of science,
> medicine and vaccinces on the part of the person who runs the site,
> whoever he is she is ((s)he choose not put her/his name on the site -
> perhaps because (s)he is too embarrassed).
>
> Jeff
The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the naturopathic
perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and are very critical
of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that they are hated by the
Big Pharma and its PR folks.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the leading
cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
* w w w .whale.to/a/dean.html
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:4A9Ui.10189$MV4.6931@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:dqRTi.2639$qo2.2233@trndny06...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote in message
>>>> news:471f6c6d$0$9114$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews . com ...
>>>>> Oh boy, Oprah
>>>>>
>>>>> he he he he he he he he
>>>> Oprah should be congratulated for her courage in challenging the Big
>>>> Pharma.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>> If she had challenged big pharma on their marketing practices, which
>>> unduly influence physicians to prescribe their drugs, she should be
>>> congratulated. However, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
>>
>> "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
>> practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
>> for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't
>> find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing
>> none, and that's just the way it is."
>>
>>> There is a large difference between challenging big pharma and
>>> challenging big pharm intelligently.
>>
>> So what is the cause of autism? Give me your intelligent response.
>
> There are several different factors that lead to autism, including genetic
> and environmental factors. The best evidence suggests that vaccines are
> not one of the environmental factors. There is little to no evidence that
> suggests that vaccines cause autism and much evidence that shows that
> vaccines make, at most, a tiny contribution to autism. For example, in
> studies that looked at videos of kids who later because autistic, there
> were signs of behavioral problems before they ever got vaccinated with
> MMR.
In other words, you have no explanation for autism...
Please comment on the quote above about the Amish children, who have no
autism.
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>>>> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>>>> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared
>>>> with children who were never vaccinated. -- Donald Meserlian, P.E.,
>>>> VOSI Chairman & ASTM Member March 2002
>>>> * w w w .whale.to/a/vosi.html
>>> Quoting the whale site on vaccinations is quoting someone who is too
>>> ashamed of herself to put her name on the site. I don't know she
>>> doesn't, although it is clear she has no understanding of vaccinations,
>>> science or medicine.
>>
>> Actually this is quite stupid.
>
> Yes, I agree. The site is stupid.
>
>> It's called shooting the messenger, a common logical fallacy...
>
> No. The messenger is choosing low-quality information to pass on rather
> than scientifically based information or information that is up-to-date.
>
> This is consistent with a complete lack of understanding of science,
> medicine and vaccinces on the part of the person who runs the site,
> whoever he is she is ((s)he choose not put her/his name on the site -
> perhaps because (s)he is too embarrassed).
>
> Jeff
The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the naturopathic
perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and are very critical
of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that they are hated by the
Big Pharma and its PR folks.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the leading
cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
* w w w .whale.to/a/dean.html
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
<....
> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the naturopathic
> perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and are very critical
> of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that they are hated by the
> Big Pharma and its PR folks.
I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site
has no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no
evidence that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on
the site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving
treatments and preventive medicine, like vaccines.
I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
Jeff
> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>
> Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the leading
> cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
> over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
> of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
> Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
> * w w w .whale.to/a/dean.html
>
>
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
<....
> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the naturopathic
> perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and are very critical
> of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that they are hated by the
> Big Pharma and its PR folks.
I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site
has no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no
evidence that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on
the site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving
treatments and preventive medicine, like vaccines.
I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
Jeff
> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>
> Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the leading
> cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
> over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
> of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
> Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
> * w w w .whale.to/a/dean.html
>
>
Re: Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:RntUi.29$eD3.15@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> <....
>
>> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the
>> naturopathic perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and
>> are very critical of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that
>> they are hated by the Big Pharma and its PR folks.
>
> I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site has
> no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no evidence
> that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
>
> I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on the
> site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving treatments and
> preventive medicine, like vaccines.
>
> I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
>
> Jeff
There are many studies at whale.to that are written by eminently qualified
medical authorities. But instead of reading and interacting with them,
you're just engaging in the rhetorical/propaganda technique of 'poisoning
the well'.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
"The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest his
patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and
prevention of disease." -- Thomas Edison
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:RntUi.29$eD3.15@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> <....
>
>> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the
>> naturopathic perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and
>> are very critical of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that
>> they are hated by the Big Pharma and its PR folks.
>
> I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site has
> no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no evidence
> that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
>
> I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on the
> site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving treatments and
> preventive medicine, like vaccines.
>
> I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
>
> Jeff
There are many studies at whale.to that are written by eminently qualified
medical authorities. But instead of reading and interacting with them,
you're just engaging in the rhetorical/propaganda technique of 'poisoning
the well'.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
"The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest his
patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and
prevention of disease." -- Thomas Edison
Re: Liar and hypocrite Jeff notkids doc (was) Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:RntUi.29$eD3.15@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> <....
>
>> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the
>> naturopathic perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and
>> are very critical of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that
>> they are hated by the Big Pharma and its PR folks.
>
> I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site has
> no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no evidence
> that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
>
> I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on the
> site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving treatments and
> preventive medicine, like vaccines.
>
> I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
>
> Jeff
You dislike anything that is not endorsed by *organized medicine*.
You also dislike the fact JOHN has exposed your many aliases.
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jeffutz@juno . com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
Jeff Utz jtest-utz2@juno . com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jeffutz@juno . com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeffutz@softhome . net Hence "Putz"
* w w w .msu.edu/~utz/ utz@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyote70@hotmail . com
Jeff Utz kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jeff64@pacbell . net
Jeff jeff@hotmail . com (2007)
Which proves you are a liar and hypocrite.
>
>> Yuri.
>>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>
>> Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the
>> leading
>> cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
>> over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
>> of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
>> Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
>> * w w w .whale.to/a/dean.html
>>
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:RntUi.29$eD3.15@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> <....
>
>> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the
>> naturopathic perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and
>> are very critical of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that
>> they are hated by the Big Pharma and its PR folks.
>
> I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site has
> no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no evidence
> that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
>
> I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on the
> site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving treatments and
> preventive medicine, like vaccines.
>
> I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
>
> Jeff
You dislike anything that is not endorsed by *organized medicine*.
You also dislike the fact JOHN has exposed your many aliases.
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jeffutz@juno . com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
Jeff Utz jtest-utz2@juno . com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jeffutz@juno . com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeffutz@softhome . net Hence "Putz"
* w w w .msu.edu/~utz/ utz@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyote70@hotmail . com
Jeff Utz kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jeff64@pacbell . net
Jeff jeff@hotmail . com (2007)
Which proves you are a liar and hypocrite.
>
>> Yuri.
>>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
>>
>> Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the
>> leading
>> cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
>> over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
>> of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
>> Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
>> * w w w .whale.to/a/dean.html
>>
Re: Liar and hypocrite Jeff notkids doc (was) Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal . net > wrote in message
news:pc%Ui.2874$Bk.1535@newssvr19.news.prodigy . net ...
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:RntUi.29$eD3.15@trnddc03...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> <....
>>
>>> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the
>>> naturopathic perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and
>>> are very critical of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that
>>> they are hated by the Big Pharma and its PR folks.
>>
>> I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site has
>> no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no evidence
>> that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
>>
>> I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on the
>> site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving treatments
>> and preventive medicine, like vaccines.
>>
>> I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> You dislike anything that is not endorsed by *organized medicine*.
>
> You also dislike the fact JOHN has exposed your many aliases.
>
>
> Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
> jeffutz@juno . com
> [2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
> Jeff Utz jtest-utz2@juno . com
> Jeff Utz, M.D. jeffutz@juno . com
> Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeffutz@softhome . net Hence "Putz"
> * w w w .msu.edu/~utz/ utz@pilot.msu.edu
> Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
> Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyote70@hotmail . com
> Jeff Utz kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com (Jan 2003)
> Jeff jeff64@pacbell . net
> Jeff jeff@hotmail . com (2007)
>
> Which proves you are a liar and hypocrite.
That's interesting...
Thanks for posting this info, Jan!
Is it possible that these hyperactive defenders of Corporate Medicine are
doing it just out of pure altruism? But if they are really such nice
folks... then how come they're constantly caught engaging in all sorts of
deceptions?
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
"The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal . net > wrote in message
news:pc%Ui.2874$Bk.1535@newssvr19.news.prodigy . net ...
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:RntUi.29$eD3.15@trnddc03...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> <....
>>
>>> The whale.to site represents a variety of viewpoints from the
>>> naturopathic perspective. They accept no money from the Big Pharma, and
>>> are very critical of Big Pharma abuses. Thus, it's quite natural that
>>> they are hated by the Big Pharma and its PR folks.
>>
>> I dislike the site because the site shows that the author of the site has
>> no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines. There is no evidence
>> that naturopathy works. It is totally bogus.
>>
>> I dislike the site because people who believe that the information on the
>> site will not get effective treatment and forgo life-saving treatments
>> and preventive medicine, like vaccines.
>>
>> I get no money whatsoever from big pharma.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> You dislike anything that is not endorsed by *organized medicine*.
>
> You also dislike the fact JOHN has exposed your many aliases.
>
>
> Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
> jeffutz@juno . com
> [2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
> Jeff Utz jtest-utz2@juno . com
> Jeff Utz, M.D. jeffutz@juno . com
> Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeffutz@softhome . net Hence "Putz"
> * w w w .msu.edu/~utz/ utz@pilot.msu.edu
> Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com
> Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyote70@hotmail . com
> Jeff Utz kidsdoc2000@hotmail . com (Jan 2003)
> Jeff jeff64@pacbell . net
> Jeff jeff@hotmail . com (2007)
>
> Which proves you are a liar and hypocrite.
That's interesting...
Thanks for posting this info, Jan!
Is it possible that these hyperactive defenders of Corporate Medicine are
doing it just out of pure altruism? But if they are really such nice
folks... then how come they're constantly caught engaging in all sorts of
deceptions?
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -- * w w w .globalserve . net /~yuku
"The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
Re: Liar and hypocrite Jeff notkids doc (was) Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> Is it possible that these hyperactive defenders of Corporate Medicine are
> doing it just out of pure altruism?
Not you have it right.
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> Is it possible that these hyperactive defenders of Corporate Medicine are
> doing it just out of pure altruism?
Not you have it right.
Re: Liar and hypocrite Jeff notkids doc (was) Oprah interview on vaccine dangers
Mark Probert wrote:
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>
>> Is it possible that these hyperactive defenders of Corporate Medicine
>> are doing it just out of pure altruism?
>
> Not you have it right.
That should read...
NOW you have it right.
Mark Probert wrote:
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>
>> Is it possible that these hyperactive defenders of Corporate Medicine
>> are doing it just out of pure altruism?
>
> Not you have it right.
That should read...
NOW you have it right.
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