Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C

Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C

Hi Everyone,

I just found a fascinating article in Alternative Medicine magazine on
alternative treatments for Hepatitis and other liver ailments -

* w w w .alchemistlab . com /Alchemist-article1.pdf

Apparently this doctor has had amazing success in helping people with
Hepatitis C. It appears from his website that he does case specific
treatment with people all over the world, see * w w w .alchemistlab . com /consultation4.html

I thought some of you might find it interesting.

Peace,
Shaw

Re: Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C

On 9 Apr 2007 11:17:21 -0700, "Health Man" <healthman108@yahoo . com >,
in message ID <1176142641.272695.126850@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups . com >,
in the newsgroup sci.med.diseases.hepatitis wrote:

>Hi Everyone,
>
>I just found a fascinating article in Alternative Medicine magazine on
>alternative treatments for Hepatitis and other liver ailments -
>
> * w w w .alchemistlab . com /Alchemist-article1.pdf
>
>Apparently this doctor has had amazing success in helping people with
>Hepatitis C. It appears from his website that he does case specific
>treatment with people all over the world, see * w w w .alchemistlab . com /consultation4.html
>
>I thought some of you might find it interesting.
>
>Peace,
>Shaw

From the website:-

"Fees are pro-rated at $150 an hour. Typically a phone consultation
runs 20 to 30 minutes costing between $50 and $75. Office visits are
$100 and last about 1 1/2 hours with the time equally divided between
talking, physical exam and then a acupuncture treatment. "

Apologies if I'm wrong Shaw but when a post like yours appears on a
newsgroup, there is always a strong suspicion that the poster either
knows (and benefits financially from) the person on the website OR is
the person on the website.
Sure thing - there is enough to believe that acupuncture may well
assist the immune system in fighting viruses but an acupuncturist I
saw told me that the virus had gone. If I had believed him, I would
have denied myself possibly lifesaving medical treatment. Fortunately,
I had a viral load test and a biopsy shortly after that showed the
virus very definitely was NOT gone.
It is now though after interferon/riba treatment.

Anyway, I'll assume that your post had good intentions with no
financial benefit to yourself. :-)

Re: Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C


"Paul" <dontspamme@westgreen . fr eeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lqcl13lnnd24gr69ecl0r82k16m3ut3avf@4ax . com ...
> On 9 Apr 2007 11:17:21 -0700, "Health Man" <healthman108@yahoo . com >,
> in message ID <1176142641.272695.126850@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups . com >,
> in the newsgroup sci.med.diseases.hepatitis wrote:
>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>I just found a fascinating article in Alternative Medicine magazine on
>>alternative treatments for Hepatitis and other liver ailments -
>>
>> * w w w .alchemistlab . com /Alchemist-article1.pdf
>>
>>Apparently this doctor has had amazing success in helping people with
>>Hepatitis C. It appears from his website that he does case specific
>>treatment with people all over the world, see
>> * w w w .alchemistlab . com /consultation4.html
>>
>>I thought some of you might find it interesting.
>>
>>Peace,
>>Shaw
>
> From the website:-
>
> "Fees are pro-rated at $150 an hour. Typically a phone consultation
> runs 20 to 30 minutes costing between $50 and $75. Office visits are
> $100 and last about 1 1/2 hours with the time equally divided between
> talking, physical exam and then a acupuncture treatment. "
>
> Apologies if I'm wrong Shaw but when a post like yours appears on a
> newsgroup, there is always a strong suspicion that the poster either
> knows (and benefits financially from) the person on the website OR is
> the person on the website.
> Sure thing - there is enough to believe that acupuncture may well
> assist the immune system in fighting viruses but an acupuncturist I
> saw told me that the virus had gone. If I had believed him, I would
> have denied myself possibly lifesaving medical treatment. Fortunately,
> I had a viral load test and a biopsy shortly after that showed the
> virus very definitely was NOT gone.
> It is now though after interferon/riba treatment.
>
> Anyway, I'll assume that your post had good intentions with no
> financial benefit to yourself. :-)

You're too nice.

The "article" is full of misinformation, cleverly framed by facts to suggest
credibility, and of course the glowing testimonial, a woman dying of hcv
induced liver failure who, with this super sekrit magick formula... "her
viral load also tested as undetectable," liver enzymes dropped to normal
range and symptoms continue to improve.

Bullshit. Snake oil. Shaw is either a liar or an idiot.

Re: Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:35:24 -0700, "Waterspider" <nospam@all . com >, in
message ID <131lfu1k30jqja7@corp.supernews . com >, in the newsgroup
sci.med.diseases.hepatitis wrote:

>You're too nice.
>
>The "article" is full of misinformation, cleverly framed by facts to suggest
>credibility, and of course the glowing testimonial, a woman dying of hcv
>induced liver failure who, with this super sekrit magick formula... "her
>viral load also tested as undetectable," liver enzymes dropped to normal
>range and symptoms continue to improve.
>
>Bullshit. Snake oil. Shaw is either a liar or an idiot.

Maybe I should dig my friends up to see if that stuff is capable of
resurrection.
Oh no. Bit late for that. They got cremated.
<sarcasm>

I didn't read the full articles Spidey but the bit I did read was
enough.

Re: Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C

As far as I am concerned this Chinese cure all is garbage.I have yet
to hear "one" single sucker who has been cleared by it.As far as I am
concerned I wouldn't give it to a Rabid dog.This shit about Rhino horn
giving them large families fuck me
how many more of them do we want,Extintion of the Rhino because some
old stinking man is sat in his one roomed state
apartment making another brat to go with his seventy eight others is
disgraceful and needs stopping.His plug ugly wife going to hospital
celebrating another birth,don't these stupid backward bastards know
the Planet is over populated now,without more of them making things
worse.Why don't the leaders of the glorious revolution in China
educate these thick as shit toothless morons.One baby per family shit
the population there is growing quicker than Bush's popularity is
sliding.

Re: Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C


"*GED*" <flanneryged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1176377144.201237.256810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
> As far as I am concerned this Chinese cure all is garbage.I have yet
> to hear "one" single sucker who has been cleared by it.As far as I am
> concerned I wouldn't give it to a Rabid dog.This shit about Rhino horn
> giving them large families fuck me
> how many more of them do we want,Extintion of the Rhino because some
> old stinking man is sat in his one roomed state
> apartment making another brat to go with his seventy eight others is
> disgraceful and needs stopping.His plug ugly wife going to hospital
> celebrating another birth,don't these stupid backward bastards know
> the Planet is over populated now,without more of them making things
> worse.Why don't the leaders of the glorious revolution in China
> educate these thick as shit toothless morons.One baby per family shit
> the population there is growing quicker than Bush's popularity is
> sliding.
>
Well, wasn't that a nice little racist rant.

I wonder where you got your "information." Never mind, have a look at this
website, which tells you the 2006 rate of births for women by country.
https://w w w .cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

In case that's too difficult for you, here are a few interesting ones:

2.09 children were born for each woman in the United States in 2006.
1.66 were born in the UK
1.73 were born in China
1.61 were born in Canada
1.06 were born in Singapore
.95 were born in Hong Kong

Re: Chinese Medicine & Hepatitis C

On Apr 12, 9:01 am, "Waterspider" <nos...@all . com > wrote:
> "*GED*" <flannery...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1176377144.201237.256810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...> As far as I am concerned this Chinese cure all is garbage.I have yet
> > to hear "one" single sucker who has been cleared by it.As far as I am
> > concerned I wouldn't give it to a Rabid dog.This shit about Rhino horn
> > giving them large families fuck me
> > how many more of them do we want,Extintion of the Rhino because some
> > old stinking man is sat in his one roomed state
> > apartment making another brat to go with his seventy eight others is
> > disgraceful and needs stopping.His plug ugly wife going to hospital
> > celebrating another birth,don't these stupid backward bastards know
> > the Planet is over populated now,without more of them making things
> > worse.Why don't the leaders of the glorious revolution in China
> > educate these thick as shit toothless morons.One baby per family shit
> > the population there is growing quicker than Bush's popularity is
> > sliding.
>
> Well, wasn't that a nice little racist rant.
>
> I wonder where you got your "information." Never mind, have a look at this
> website, which tells you the 2006 rate of births for women by country.https://w w w .cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
>
> In case that's too difficult for you, here are a few interesting ones:
>
> 2.09 children were born for each woman in the United States in 2006.
> 1.66 were born in the UK
> 1.73 were born in China
> 1.61 were born in Canada
> 1.06 were born in Singapore
> .95 were born in Hong Kong

Hi,

My experience with Chinese Medicine treating hep b.
When I failed Epivir my Bil 8.8, AST 1000+, and ALT2000+ I was
freaking out turning yellow, dark urine. I went to ER, they can't do
much for me.
My gastro doc put me on Baraclude, I only took it for a week. I knew
I
need antiinflammatory not just antiviral.
I went to a TCM doctor, took the herbal antiinflammatory and forgo
the
Baraclude. All my number went to normal after 1 month. The number
were
all good for 8 months till I went back to work, got stress, had a
smaller flare up. ast 180 alt 240, I quit my job and currently being
treated with herb, I can feel the improvement, next week I will do
the
blood work again.


I am not here to promote any doctor, just to let you guys know my
experience and don't give up. I am still waiting for antiviral drug
that wont' creat resistant strains then just take it for life and
have
my life back. It seems Tenefovir maybe the one. I am keeping my
fingers crossed for all hepb sufferor out there.


Since I do speak and read Chinese, I was able to weed out good TCM
doctor from bad one.


If you ever want to see one. I would suggest the following:


(1) Either trained in China or HK or Taiwan, US TCM school are way
too
easy to graduate, not enough residency training..
(2) Age 40 to 55 because are also expose to modern medicine, my
doctor
know about all the ast, alt, bililibrim etc etc. she also order blood
test and ultrason for me.
(2) Hep B is endemic in East Asia, these doctors have seen a lot of
cases and dealt with them.
(3)Make sure Hep B is one of their specialty.
(4) There are some Chinese Yellow pages out there, but they are in
Chinese. (go to China Town Library, they can help you)
(5) Tell doctor that you want to drink the raw herb, not the premade
capsule herb.
(6)I recieve both acupunture and herbal medicine, but my doctor said
herbal is the main treatment.


Good Luck to all Hep B sufferer,
Let us hope science catch up soon and we all can have our life back.


I am too lazy to correct my grammar :)


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