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Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 14 Jun 2007, 02:07
Prevention of Infection

I suppose this is .. **why** .. we are supposed to keep our
lactoferrin .. empty .. ?

The Journal of Immunology,
2007, 178: 6367-6373.
Copyright © 2007 by The American Association of Immunologists, Inc.

Human Polymorphonuclear Leukocytes Inhibit Aspergillus fumigatus
Conidial Growth by Lactoferrin-Mediated Iron Depletion1
Kol A. Zarember2,*, Janyce A. Sugui2,, Yun C. Chang, Kyung J. Kwon-
Chung3, and John I. Gallin3,*
* Laboratory of Host Defenses, National Institute of Allergy and
Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
20892; and Laboratory of Clinical Infectious Diseases, National
Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of
Health, Bethesda, MD 20892

Aspergillus fumigatus, a common mold, rarely infects humans, except
during prolonged neutropenia or in cases of chronic granulomatous
disease (CGD), a primary immunodeficiency caused by mutations in the
NADPH oxidase that normally produces fungicidal reactive oxygen
species. Filamentous hyphae of Aspergillus are killed by normal, but
not CGD polymorphonuclear leukocytes (PMN); however, the few studies
on PMN-mediated host defenses against infectious conidia (spores) of
this organism have yielded conflicting results, some showing that PMN
do not inhibit conidial growth, with others showing that they do, most
likely using reactive oxygen species. Given that CGD patients are
exposed daily to hundreds of viable A. fumigatus conidia, yet
considerable numbers of them survive years without infection, we
reasoned that PMN use ROS-independent mechanisms to combat
Aspergillus. We show that human PMN from both normal controls and CGD
patients are equipotent at arresting the growth of Aspergillus conidia
in vitro, indicating the presence of a reactive oxygen species-
independent factor(s). Cell-free supernatants of degranulated normal
and CGD neutrophils both suppressed fungal growth and were found to be
rich in lactoferrin, an abundant PMN secondary granule protein.
Purified iron-poor lactoferrin at concentrations occurring in PMN
supernatants (and reported in human mucosal secretions in vivo)
decreased fungal growth, whereas saturation of lactoferrin or PMN
supernatants with iron, or testing in the presence of excess iron in
the form of ferritin, completely abolished activity against conidia.
These results demonstrate that PMN lactoferrin sequestration of iron
is important for host defense against Aspergillus.

The costs of publication of this article were defrayed in part by the
payment of page charges. This article must therefore be hereby marked
advertisement in accordance with 18 U.S.C. Section 1734 solely to
indicate this fact.

1 This work was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the
National Institutes of Health, the National Institute of Allergy and
Infectious Diseases, and the National Institutes of Health Clinical
Center.

2 K.A.Z. and J.A.S. contributed equally to this study.

3 Address correspondence and reprint requests to Dr. John I. Gallin,
10 Center Drive, RM 6-2551, MSC 1504, Bethesda, MD 20892-1504; E-mail
address: jgallin@cc.nih.gov or Dr. Kyung J. Kwon-Chung, 10 Center
Drive, RM 11C304, Bethesda, MD 20892; E-mail address: june kwon-
chung@nih.gov

4 Abbreviations used in this paper: CGD, chronic granulomatous
disease; CMFDA, carboxymethylfluoroscene diacetate; LF, lactoferrin;
PMN, polymorphonuclear leukocyte; XTT, 2,3-bis-(2-methoxy-4-nitro-5-
sulphenyl)-(2H)-tetrazolium-5-carboxanilide.

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<<snip>>
Lactoferrin probably exerts its effect at the level of viral
adsorption,
<<snip>>


: J Infect Dis 2002 Oct 15;186(8):1161-1164 Links


Lactoferrin Inhibits Enterovirus 71 Infection of Human Embryonal
Rhabdomyosarcoma Cells In Vitro.


Lin TY, Chu C, Chiu CH.


Department of Pediatrics, Chang Gung Children's Hospital, Kweishan,
Taoyuan,
Taiwan.


Enterovirus 71 (EV71), the newest member of Enterovirudae, is notable
for
its etiological role in epidemics of severe neurological diseases in
children. It appears to be emerging as an important virulent
neurotropic
enterovirus in the upcoming era of poliomyelitis eradication, whereas
no
effective vaccine or antiviral agents are available at this moment.
Human
and bovine lactoferrins, iron-binding proteins belonging to the
nonimmune
defense system, were assayed in vitro to assess their inhibiting
capacity on
the cytopathic effect of EV71 on human embryonal rhabdomyosarcoma
(RD)
cells. Both bovine and human lactoferrins were found to be potent
inhibitors
of EV71 infection (mean IC(50), 10.5-24.5 &mgr;g/mL and 103.3-185.0
&mgr;g/mL, respectively). Lactoferrin probably exerts its effect at
the


level of viral adsorption, since the ongoing infection could not be
further
inhibited after the EV71 penetrated RD cells.


PMID: 12355368 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


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Reply from: Manky Badger
Date: 14 Jun 2007, 11:49
Re: Prevention of Infection


<ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1181779640.380193.173510@q19g2000prn.googlegroups . com ...
I suppose this is .. **why** .. we are supposed to keep our
lactoferrin .. empty .. ?


Tom - a serious question. Why do you post this stuff?

You follow a standard pattern every time.
You post something and you get abusive with anyone who attempts to take up a
discussion with you.
At no point do you ever attempt to elucidate your theories without
undermining yourself by your style of posting.
And you've been doing this for so long that I doubt anyone takes you
seriously any more.

So, why do you do it?



Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 15 Jun 2007, 04:39
Re: Prevention of Infection

>>On Jun 14, 2:49 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: Tom - a serious question. Why do you post this stuff?<<

It is kind of like .. circumstantial .. evidence ..

'IT' .. evidences the **stupidity** .. OF .. such as .. yourself ..

YOU .. come onto the thread and ask .. "why" .. I post this stuff ..

THAT question is .. exactly .. **why** ..

People are beginning to realize the .. **abilities** .. OF .. you /
your ilk .. and EVERY study which .. shows .. you killing people ..
has an .. effect.

The 'effect' .. is ..the "Why?" ..

The .. staying the fk away from the likes of .. you .. / effect ..

The injection of iron into people with infection .. kills them ..
'type' of proactive action .. you and your ilk .. seem to be ..
doing .. ? .. or the injection of iron into a young woman for over ten
years which CAUSES diabetes and thyroid problems .. or the effect of
giving iron to malaria stricken kids .. ie: death .. or the effect of
giving iron during pregnancy .. ie: malformed premature dead
babies ..

Understand .. ?

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Reply from: Manky Badger
Date: 15 Jun 2007, 09:09
Re: Prevention of Infection


<ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1181875152.631836.235190@d30g2000prg.googlegroups . com ...
>>>On Jun 14, 2:49 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: Tom - a
>>>serious question. Why do you post this stuff?<<
>
> It is kind of like .. circumstantial .. evidence ..
>
> 'IT' .. evidences the **stupidity** .. OF .. such as .. yourself ..
>
> YOU .. come onto the thread and ask .. "why" .. I post this stuff ..
>
> THAT question is .. exactly .. **why** ..
>
> People are beginning to realize the .. **abilities** .. OF .. you /
> your ilk .. and EVERY study which .. shows .. you killing people ..
> has an .. effect.
>
> The 'effect' .. is ..the "Why?" ..
>
> The .. staying the fk away from the likes of .. you .. / effect ..
>
> The injection of iron into people with infection .. kills them ..
> 'type' of proactive action .. you and your ilk .. seem to be ..
> doing .. ? .. or the injection of iron into a young woman for over ten
> years which CAUSES diabetes and thyroid problems .. or the effect of
> giving iron to malaria stricken kids .. ie: death .. or the effect of
> giving iron during pregnancy .. ie: malformed premature dead
> babies ..
>
> Understand .. ?


No - not at all.
You're just proving my point even more.
Rather than actually illustrating your point you're just being abusive again
which detracts from your credibility.







Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 15 Jun 2007, 12:23
Re: Prevention of Infection

>>On Jun 15, 12:09 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: Understand .. ?
No - not at all.<<

That's what I .. said .. didn't .. I ..

You didn't / wouldn't .. understand .. understand .. "Why?" ..

It ain't .. in .. ya ..

YOU cannot figure how or why someone WOULD .. go .. **extreme** ..

>> You're just proving my point even more.<<

What by being purposely .. abusive .. to a .. loser .. ?

You forget .. I .. have met you before ..

I know .. you .. and what you're .. about ..

And .. I believe I have been .. relatively .. civil ..

>>Rather than actually illustrating your point you're just being
abusive again
which detracts from your credibility<<

Noo .. I don't have to .. illustrate my .. point ..

You have illustrated my .. point ..

The .. point / "Why?" .. as explained .. is .. you and your ilk are ..
losers .. stupid .. malpractice causing .. death .. losers ..

The fact .. this .. SPECIFIC .. article .. just so happens to appear
AT the same time AS your .. question .. illustrates the .. point
AGAIN ..

It is a very good study .. it was conducted .. well .. and it explains
the ROLE .. of .. lactoferrin .. very well.

It reiterates the FACT the lactoferrin cannot protect .. a person ..
WHEN it is full of iron .. and therefore the person .. **dies** .. of
whatever .. meningitis .. say.

THAT is an important .. finding .. and FITS with the .. iron
OVERLOAD / excess .. hypothesis .. OF .. upper **limit** of iron ..
and the **consequences** OF .. it / overload of iron ..

That is loss of immunity.

YOU and your ilk do not understand .. HOW .. iron .. works IN the
body.

THAT is part and parcel OF .. your .. job .. and WHY you get ..
**paid** ..

You don't CARE to learn it ..

Others .. do care to learn it .. and are proving this by doing ..
medical studies.

Now the FACT there ARE so .. few .. who seem to have RECOGNIZED
this .. iron problem .. leads me to place in .. medical newsgroups ..
the medical studies.

The medical profession is content with .. targeting ME .. with
vaccines .. and other people with vaccines .. to .. "create herd
immunity" .. and in FACT .. are now .. forcing .. people to take the
vaccinations .. BECAUSE .. of .. people like .. **YOU** .. walking
reservoirs of .. disease .. who are quite content to .. BE .. a
walking reservoir of disease.

Before I'm .. done .. you ain't .. gonna .. BE .. a walking reservoir
of .. disease.

Simple .. as .. that ..


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Reply from: Manky Badger
Date: 16 Jun 2007, 08:30
Re: Prevention of Infection


<ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1181903009.929650.188050@a26g2000pre.googlegroups . com ...
>>>On Jun 15, 12:09 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:
>>>Understand .. ?
> No - not at all.<<
>
> That's what I .. said .. didn't .. I ..
>
> You didn't / wouldn't .. understand .. understand .. "Why?" ..
>
> It ain't .. in .. ya ..


> YOU and your ilk do not understand .. HOW .. iron .. works IN the
> body.
\>
> THAT is part and parcel OF .. your .. job .. and WHY you get ..
> **paid** ..
>
> You don't CARE to learn it ..

Then perhaps you might like to explain it. Rather than reprinting articles
to explain various bits, perhaps you could give us the whole theory as a
whole so's we can see where you're coming from?



Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 16 Jun 2007, 20:20
Re: Prevention of Infection

>>On Jun 15, 11:30 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:Then perhaps you might like to explain it.<<

It is a .. hypothesis.

You know what a .. hypothesis .. is .. ?

Do you .. know .. what .. MY .. hypothesis .. is .. ?

>> Rather than reprinting articles to explain various bits,<<

I guess you .. don't ..

>>perhaps you could give us the whole theory as a
whole so's we can see where you're coming from<<

If you don't know it by . now .. buddieee ..

You are kinda .. sol ..

Do I have to spell that one out for ya .. ?

Heh .. heh ..

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Reply from: Brindal
Date: 16 Jun 2007, 21:59
Re: Prevention of Infection

On Jun 16, 1:20 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com > wrote:
> >>On Jun 15, 11:30 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:Then perhaps you might like to explain it.<<
>
> It is a .. hypothesis.
>
> You know what a .. hypothesis .. is .. ?
>
> Do you .. know .. what .. MY .. hypothesis .. is .. ?
>
> >> Rather than reprinting articles to explain various bits,<<
>
> I guess you .. don't ..
>
> >>perhaps you could give us the whole theory as a
>
> whole so's we can see where you're coming from<<
>
> If you don't know it by . now .. buddieee ..
>
> You are kinda .. sol ..
>
> Do I have to spell that one out for ya .. ?

Yes, you do. Anyone with a theory has to spell it out. Again and
agian, over and over.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.

Brindal


Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 17 Jun 2007, 04:20
Re: Prevention of Infection

>>On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, Brindal <Brinda...@gmail . com > wrote: Sorry, that's just the way it is.<<

And .. your opinion is .. worth something .. ?

You have some .. success .. do ya .. ?

When YOU have .. some .. success .. I may take a look at your ..
tack ..

But until that time .. I will continue in MY .. tack .. since it seems
to be much more .. successful .. than .. yours ..


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Reply from: Manky Badger
Date: 17 Jun 2007, 22:02
Re: Prevention of Infection


<ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1182046835.833417.237160@g37g2000prf.googlegroups . com ...
>>>On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, Brindal <Brinda...@gmail . com > wrote: Sorry, that's
>>>just the way it is.<<
>
> And .. your opinion is .. worth something .. ?
>
> You have some .. success .. do ya .. ?
>
> When YOU have .. some .. success .. I may take a look at your ..
> tack ..
>
> But until that time .. I will continue in MY .. tack .. since it seems
> to be much more .. successful .. than .. yours ..

But Tom, to go back to my original point, you "continuing in your tack" is
just a lone voice in the wilderness?
Whereas the likes of me "continuing in my tack" is actually killing people,
isn't it?
Isn't that your point?
And by failing to get your point over, and even worse, by making your views
look at best ridiculous (which, to be honest, you do!) you are aiding and
abetting this killing, aren't you?

Why not start again, explain your views in words of one syllable, and when
people disagree or find fault with your theories, take the scientific
approach and reason and discuss with people rather than resorting to the
insults which has left your position rather weak (to say the least).
You never know - you might find ways to revise your theories, and we might
all learn something new.



Reply from: JEDilworth
Date: 18 Jun 2007, 01:49
Re: Prevention of Infection

Manky,

You'll .. never .. win. .. He'll .. just .. keep .. going .. on .. and
.. on .. Apparently .. this .. is .. his .. tack .. (or .. these .. dots
.. represent .. tacks .. )

Those .. damned .. dots .. are .. the .. most .. annoying .. part .. of
.. it .. all ..

You're .. feeding .. the .. troll ..

Judy .. Dilworth .. M.T. .. (ASCP)
Microbiology
.. .. .. .. aieeeee .. I .. can't .. stop .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..
.. .. (attacked .. by .. tack .. hammer .. ) .. .. .. .. ..

"Manky Badger" <you.must@be.joking> wrote in message
news:ZfOdnRMLFM7NDujbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@giganews . com ...
>
> But Tom, to go back to my original point, you "continuing in your
> tack" is just a lone voice in the wilderness?


Reply from: Manky Badger
Date: 18 Jun 2007, 09:30
Re: Prevention of Infection


"JEDilworth" <bactitech@nospamhortonsbay . com > wrote in message
news:hIidnY6rC7FcVejbnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@buckeye-express . com ...
> Manky,
>
> You'll .. never .. win. .. He'll .. just .. keep .. going .. on .. and ..
> on .. Apparently .. this .. is .. his .. tack .. (or .. these .. dots ..
> represent .. tacks .. )
>
> Those .. damned .. dots .. are .. the .. most .. annoying .. part .. of ..
> it .. all ..
>
> You're .. feeding .. the .. troll ..

I know - I'm sorry, but he intrigues me. He's obviously convinced himself
that he's got a point, and utterly fails to get it over. in fact he goes out
of his way to ensure no one will take him seriously.
Sometimes I wonder if he just might have a point, and then he blows all
credibility with a line of dots.........



Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 18 Jun 2007, 05:30
Re: Prevention of Infection

>>On Jun 17, 1:02 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:reason and discuss <<

Listen .. up ..

Until.. you / they .. ADMIT .. there is NO .. iron deficiency .. in
our world .. based on **reason** and **logic** ... then there is no
real reason to .. discuss .. fk .. all ..

Is .. there ..

Because .. ?

That is the very basis of the whole .. scenario ..

They say .. iron stores .. required ..

Others say .. no ..

As a .. scientist / researcher / half assed brain even .. can SEE if a
substance is not controlled .. it WILL .. build .. progressively ..
and kill.

As .. evidenced.

One can do such a study in ones' .. head .. and the medical studies
are the .. gravy .. to confirm ones' .. intelligence ..

But .. others .. ?

They are what some call .. "just too fkg dense" ..


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Tom


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Reply from: Brindal
Date: 18 Jun 2007, 00:07
Re: Prevention of Infection

On Jun 16, 9:20 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com > wrote:
> >>On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, Brindal <Brinda...@gmail . com > wrote: Sorry, that's just the way it is.<<
>
> And .. your opinion is .. worth something .. ?

I'd say so.

> You have some .. success .. do ya .. ?

The only thing I've seen you succeed at is pissing people off.

One thing I have never succeed at is writing a complete sentence
without. . .all. . .the... little dots.

> When YOU have .. some .. success .. I may take a look at your ..
> tack ..

Who cares what you look at or what you think.

> But until that time .. I will continue in MY .. tack .. since it seems
> to be much more .. successful .. than .. yours ..


Your "tack" only succeeds in people heaping abuse on you. Keep it.

Brindal


Reply from: ironjustice@aol . com
Date: 18 Jun 2007, 05:20
Re: Prevention of Infection

>>On Jun 17, 3:07 pm, Brindal <Brinda...@gmail . com > wrote:Your "tack" only succeeds in people heaping abuse on you. Keep it. <<

BY .. the .. likes .. of .. yourself ..

"abuse"

See that .. word .. ?

Type that word into your .. service providers .. Rules of Service ..

See what you .. get ..

You get .. YOU .. not being able to .. abuse .. ANYONE ..

Ya .. fkg .. dig .. ?

If you .. think .. for one .. fkg .. minute .. that .. "abuse" .. is
going to .. deter .. ME .. from a .. PROVEN .. successful .. tack ..

You are pretty .. fkg .. stupid ..


Who loves ya.
Tom


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