Anemia Versus Death

Anemia Versus Death

Using logic and reason .. if transfusions TO a higher hemoglobin kill
you and if using drugs to stimuate red blood cell production TO a
higher hemoglobin kill you .. then .. higher hemoglobin is .. bad ..

* groups.google.ca/group/sci.med/msg/c2ea35645f5e0c72?hl=en&


"it was once
thought that blood transfusions should be performed any time a
patient's
hemoglobin level dipped below 10 grams of hemoglobin per decilitre of
blood - but now guidelines in varying countries put that between 6
and
8g."


According to this .. the hemoglobin seems to be very low BEFORE ..
intervention / transfusion .. is advised .. according to some
countries.


Now .. WHY .. is the intervention of .. erythropoiesis ..
STIMULATING .. drugs .. used .. BEFORE .. those guidelines OF ..
"increased death rate" ..


If you have an increased DEATH rate .. using ONE method of increasing
hemoglobin one might use their .. brain .. and generalize it TO ..
the
general category of .. ? .. ? .. hemglobin .. ?


Soo .. IF .. one USES .. hemoglobin .. then one would NOT .. use ..
the 'anemia intervention' OF .. drugs ..


'Coincidentally' .. the drugs getting BIG PRESS LATELY .. for .. ? ..
for .. ?


"Killing numerous people" .. * tinyurl . com /yvxrye



Sooo .. since the transfusions kill people .. and since the
erythropoietin .. is killing everyone .. one might think these ..
braindeadmorons .. would catch .. on .. ?


One .. might .. LIKE .. to think ..


Hypervolemia / erythrocytosis .. is treated by .. bloodletting /
hemodilution /
venesection / erythrocytapheresis / phlebotomy .. etc , etc , etc


* tinyurl . com /35dug


<<snip>>
This is the largest published study measuring blood volume and
patient
outcomes. Congestive heart failure is the number one cause for
admission to
hospitals for patients over 65 years of age and results in annual
healthcare
costs exceeding $38 billion.


The study followed severely ill congestive heart failure patients for
a median
follow up of 719 days. During the first year, the major finding was a
39% death
rate in patients that were hypervolemic (excess blood volume) vs. 0%
death rate
for those who were normovolemic/hypovolemic (normal blood volume/
mildly reduced
blood volume). For those hypervolemic patients that were followed for
a median
duration of 719 days, the death rate was almost 55% vs. 0% for those
patients
who were normovolemic to slightly hypovolemic.
<<snip>>


* docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/1/2/22

<<snip>>
Patients with diabetes were more than twice as likely to develop CHF
aspatients without diabetes
<<snip>>
.


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Re: Anemia Versus Death

>> On Jun 25, 11:52 am, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com >
wrote:
<<snip>>
Patients with diabetes were more than twice as likely to develop CHF
aspatients without diabetes
<<snip>> <<

This makes sense since we know diabetes shows .. erythrocytosis /
increased red blood cell production and THAT predicts death.

"the death rate was almost 55% vs. 0% for those patients
who were normovolemic to slightly hypovolemic"

Since we have a little .. evidence .. let's do some calculations ..

Since diabetes is accompanied BY .. erythrocytosis / increased red
blood cell production .. in fact said to be USED as a second marker of
diabetes .. then the odds .. what would be the odds .. OF .. a
diabetic DYING from the .. congestive heart failure he / she DOES ..
acquire .. ?

Since increased volume / erythrocytosis / increased red blood cell
production .. PREDICTS .. death .. ?

I wouldn't .. bet .. ON .. the diabetic .. guy .. woman ..

Would YOU .. ?

Using logic and reason .. ?

Then .. the ODDS .. would be .. BAD .. ? .. using .. logic and ..
reason .. ?

Betting ones' .. life .. and .. all ..?

Just using a .. betting .. analogy ..

Just for the benefit OF .. our .. members WITH .. diabetes ..

Would anyone .. bet .. for .. them .. ?

Anyone .. ?.

And that would be because .. ? .. because .. ? .. OF .. their
EVIDENCED .. increased .. red .. blood .. cells ..

Wouldn't .. it ..

You can say .. it ..

Collectively .. now .. say .. it .. " I would not bet on the diabetic
because they have evidenced high red blood cell production and THAT
predicts death by higher than fifty percent."

Or else it makes you .. stupid ..

Using logic and .. reason ..

"Increased red blood cell count could be considered as a new aspect of
the
insulin resistance syndrome"

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> Using logic and reason .. if transfusions TO a higher hemoglobin kill
> you and if using drugs to stimuate red blood cell production TO a
> higher hemoglobin kill you .. then .. higher hemoglobin is .. bad ..
>
> * groups.google.ca/group/sci.med/msg/c2ea35645f5e0c72?hl=en&
>
> "it was once
> thought that blood transfusions should be performed any time a
> patient's
> hemoglobin level dipped below 10 grams of hemoglobin per decilitre of
> blood - but now guidelines in varying countries put that between 6
> and
> 8g."
>
> According to this .. the hemoglobin seems to be very low BEFORE ..
> intervention / transfusion .. is advised .. according to some
> countries.
>
> Now .. WHY .. is the intervention of .. erythropoiesis ..
> STIMULATING .. drugs .. used .. BEFORE .. those guidelines OF ..
> "increased death rate" ..
>
> If you have an increased DEATH rate .. using ONE method of increasing
> hemoglobin one might use their .. brain .. and generalize it TO ..
> the
> general category of .. ? .. ? .. hemglobin .. ?
>
> Soo .. IF .. one USES .. hemoglobin .. then one would NOT .. use ..
> the 'anemia intervention' OF .. drugs ..
>
> 'Coincidentally' .. the drugs getting BIG PRESS LATELY .. for .. ? ..
> for .. ?
>
> "Killing numerous people" .. * tinyurl . com /yvxrye
>
> Sooo .. since the transfusions kill people .. and since the
> erythropoietin .. is killing everyone .. one might think these ..
> braindeadmorons .. would catch .. on .. ?
>
> One .. might .. LIKE .. to think ..
>
> Hypervolemia / erythrocytosis .. is treated by .. bloodletting /
> hemodilution /
> venesection / erythrocytapheresis / phlebotomy .. etc , etc , etc
>
> * tinyurl . com /35dug
>
> <<snip>>
> This is the largest published study measuring blood volume and
> patient
> outcomes. Congestive heart failure is the number one cause for
> admission to
> hospitals for patients over 65 years of age and results in annual
> healthcare
> costs exceeding $38 billion.
>
> The study followed severely ill congestive heart failure patients for
> a median
> follow up of 719 days. During the first year, the major finding was a
> 39% death
> rate in patients that were hypervolemic (excess blood volume) vs. 0%
> death rate
> for those who were normovolemic/hypovolemic (normal blood volume/
> mildly reduced
> blood volume). For those hypervolemic patients that were followed for
> a median
> duration of 719 days, the death rate was almost 55% vs. 0% for those
> patients
> who were normovolemic to slightly hypovolemic.
> <<snip>>
>
> * docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/1/2/22
>
> <<snip>>
> Patients with diabetes were more than twice as likely to develop CHF
> aspatients without diabetes
> <<snip>>
> .
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
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>
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>
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Re: Anemia Versus Death

The reason for the change in guidelines of transfusions have everything
to do with blood banking and not hemoglobin per se. With the advent of
HIV, there were higher than ever risks in getting transfusions. They
have found that it's not worth transfusing if only one unit is
transfused because of the transfusion risks (antibody formation,
transfusion reaction, possible disease transmission). Only getting one
unit also sets a patient up for antibody formation.

Decisions were made by (I'm guessing here) AABB and other powers-that-be
to not risk transfusions unless the hemoglobins were around 7 gm./dl or
so. These guidelines have been around for quite awhile.

* w w w .aabb.org/content
* w w w .aabb.org/Content/About Blood/FAQ/bloodfaq.htm

The injections people get to stimulate RBC production (if they're on
chemo, etc.) are given to get their own bodies to make RBC's and avoid
exposure to transfusion and its inherent risks.

Blood banking is a complicated subject. I only know the extreme basics
of that department, i.e. what I learned in training and during a very
brief stint working part time in the 80's. If any other blood banker
wants to chime in here feel free, as I'm out of the blood banking loop.

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology

<ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1182797553.516301.120850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups . com ...
> "it was once
> thought that blood transfusions should be performed any time a
> patient's
> hemoglobin level dipped below 10 grams of hemoglobin per decilitre of
> blood - but now guidelines in varying countries put that between 6
> and
> 8g."

Re: Anemia Versus Death

>>On Jun 25, 4:43 pm, "JEDilworth" <bactit...@nospamhortonsbay . com > wrote:
The reason for the change in guidelines of transfusions have
everything
to do with blood banking and not hemoglobin per se. <<

Well THAT .. wouldn't be THAT .. surprising ..

The lack of .. recognition .. WHY .. people DIE at such a higher rate
when transfusions are .. used.

As evidenced in this .. exchange ..

A "long time member" .. of .. the medical profession comes onto the
thread and even in the face of the .. evidence .. presented .. IE:
higher hemoglobin increased .. death ..

Erythropoietin stimulation .. kills .. transfusions .. kill and the
'take' .. OF .. the "long time member" .. of .. the medical
profession .. ?

"It has nothing to do with hemoglobin as compared to infection.." ..

Doesn't explain the increased risk of death OF .. epo ..

Epo has nadda to DO .. with infection FROM any .. 'source' .. whereas
transfusions CAN be .. argued .. because OF the introduction of
foreign blood.

Sooo .. infection DOESN'T .. explain the increased risk of death
using .. erythropoietin.

Pretty .. obvious .. to anyone actually attempting to .. source out ..
the problem.

Sooo .. if one were to look for a .. link .. between the two ..
increased risk of death using transfusions AND increased risk of death
using .. epo .. then but one thing links the two .. increased blood
volume ..

Higher hemoglobin and its .. consequences .. IE: theoretically ..
viscosity ..

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Re: Anemia Versus Death

You realize, of course, that if your hemoglobin is down to about 7 gm
you are barely existing. One cannot live any kind of life with a
hemoglobin that low (although I have seen people with long standing
anemia barely getting around with a 3 gm. We had a little old lady once
present for outpatient blood work back in the 70's with a hemoglobin
that low. Needless to say they admitted her then and there and
transfused her - slowly.

People that get erythropoietin are in similar circumstances. They are
sick with deathly chronic disease. Many have cancer or other equally
awful diseases. They don't give these drugs to just anyone, and they
don't give it without doing a CBC first to assess current hemoglobin
values.

You need red cells to LIVE. Without them, oxygen cannot get to your
vital organs or tissues. I know next to nothing about erythropoietin
other than my uncle, who is now dead, needed the shots to live a bit
longer. He hovered between 7-9 gm. and the Procrit boosted him up to
10-11 for a short time. It helped him live a better quality of life for
short periods. He died of prostate cancer that had metastasized.

I know just a little bit about this whole subject, so will probably
weigh out on this thread. If anyone else wants to jump in an rescue me
from this circular discussion, please feel free.

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology

"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
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[snipped]

Re: Anemia Versus Death

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:08:03 -0400, "JEDilworth"
<bactitech@nospamhortonsbay . com > wrote:

>You realize, of course, that if your hemoglobin is down to about 7 gm
>you are barely existing. One cannot live any kind of life with a
>hemoglobin that low (although I have seen people with long standing
>anemia barely getting around with a 3 gm. We had a little old lady once
>present for outpatient blood work back in the 70's with a hemoglobin
>that low. Needless to say they admitted her then and there and
>transfused her - slowly.
>
>People that get erythropoietin are in similar circumstances. They are
>sick with deathly chronic disease. Many have cancer or other equally
>awful diseases. They don't give these drugs to just anyone, and they
>don't give it without doing a CBC first to assess current hemoglobin
>values.
>
>You need red cells to LIVE. Without them, oxygen cannot get to your
>vital organs or tissues. I know next to nothing about erythropoietin
>other than my uncle, who is now dead, needed the shots to live a bit
>longer. He hovered between 7-9 gm. and the Procrit boosted him up to
>10-11 for a short time. It helped him live a better quality of life for
>short periods. He died of prostate cancer that had metastasized.
>
>I know just a little bit about this whole subject, so will probably
>weigh out on this thread. If anyone else wants to jump in an rescue me
>from this circular discussion, please feel free.
>
>Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
>Microbiology
>
>"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol . com > wrote in message
>news:1182940248.216204.28660@j4g2000prf.googlegroups . com ...
>
>[snipped]


ironjustice aka Tom the watch troll is a known nutter. He believes
every illness known to man is caused by iron in the blood.

no one on the net takes him seriously.

Re: Anemia Versus Death

I realize that. I've seen this anti-iron drivel of his for years on this
newsgroup. However, I felt I had to respond to this thread for some
reason of insanity on my part. I'll try to restrain myself in the
future.

Thanks for looking out for me :-)

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology

"Måck©®" <trolls@renotworthsaving . net > wrote in message
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> no one on the net takes him seriously.

Re: Anemia Versus Death

On Jun 27, 10:20 am, "JEDilworth" <bactit...@nospamhortonsbay . com >
wrote:
> I realize that. I've seen this anti-iron drivel of his for years on this
> newsgroup. However, I felt I had to respond to this thread for some
> reason of insanity on my part. I'll try to restrain myself in the
> future.
>
> Thanks for looking out for me :-)
>
> Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
> Microbiology
>
> "M=E5ck=A9=AE" <tro...@renotworthsaving . net > wrote in message
>
> news:8qt483hmq2tnidjsnf4o5q8lg6rk021chs@4ax . com ...
>
>
>
> > no one on the net takes him seriously.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Erythropoietin is a relatively a new hormone being used in treating
anemia. It was once thought to be specific for blood forming cells but
research since has found other cells have receptors for erythropoietin
including brain and other areas.
Like anything new our understandings change as more information comes
in.

1: Clin Cancer Res. 2006 Apr 1;12(7 Pt 1):2232-8. Cited in PMC,
LinkOut
Erythropoietin fails to interfere with the antiproliferative and
cytotoxic effects of antitumor drugs.Gewirtz DA, Di X, Walker TD,
Sawyer ST.
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Massey Cancer Center,
Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, Virginia, USA.
gewirtz@hsc.vcu.edu

PURPOSE: Erythropoietin (EPO) therapy is widely used for the
prevention and treatment of anemia resulting from cancer chemotherapy.
Native EPO regulates erythropoiesis, at least in part, by protecting
erythroid progenitor cells from apoptotic cell death. The recent
discovery of the EPO receptor (EPOR) on cancer cells raises the
concern that EPO therapy might stimulate tumor growth and/or protect
cancer cells from drug-induced apoptosis. Therefore, the capacity of
EPO to interfere with the effects of conventional chemotherapeutic
drugs on proliferation, apoptosis, and the induction of senescence was
investigated in MCF-7 and MDA-MB231 breast tumor cells, which express
the EPOR as well as in F-MEL erythroleukemia cells.


1: Isr Med Assoc J. 2006 Oct;8(10):703-6. LinkOut
Erythropoietin in clinical practice: current use, effect on survival,
and future directions.Oster HS, Hoffman M, Prutchi-Sagiv S, Katz O,
Neumann D, Mittelman M.
Department of Internal Medicine A, Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center,
Tel Aviv, Israel.

Recombinant human erythropoietin has become an essential part of the
management of anemic patients with end-stage renal disease. It is also
used to treat the anemia associated with cancer and other diseases,
and it improves quality of life. In recent years, studies in animals
and humans have focused on the use of rHuEPO for other indications. It
has been found to play a role in both cardioprotection and
neuroprotection. It has effects on the immune system, and can cause
regression in hematologic diseases such as multiple myeloma. It may
also improve the response of solid tumors to chemotherapy and
radiation therapy. On the other hand, concerns have been raised
following two studies of patients with solid tumors in whom those
treated with rHuEPO had diminished survival. Criticism of the design
of these studies makes it clear that large, well-designed, randomized
trials must be performed to determine the role of rHuEPO in the
treatment of cancer, and more generally to clarify the full clinical
benefits of the drug, while minimizing the harm.

PMID: 17125118 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Re: Anemia Versus Death


"JEDilworth" <bactitech@nospamhortonsbay . com > wrote in message
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> I know just a little bit about this whole subject, so will probably weigh
> out on this thread. If anyone else wants to jump in an rescue me from this
> circular discussion, please feel free.

The decision not to transuse so much was to reduce antigen exposure to make
subsequent transfusions easier, as much as for any other reason.

Re: Anemia Versus Death

Yes, that's precisely what I was thinking but didn't get it out there
correctly. Thanks, Manky. Perhaps Iron Man doesn't know about
transfusion reactions and antibodies, however.

[Tom, they have nothing to do with iron....]

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology

"Manky Badger" <you.must@be.joking> wrote in message
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>
> The decision not to transfuse so much was to reduce antigen exposure
> to make subsequent transfusions easier, as much as for any other
> reason.
>

Re: Anemia Versus Death

On Jun 28, 1:43 pm, "JEDilworth" <bactit...@nospamhortonsbay . com >
wrote: [Tom, they have nothing to do with iron....]

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology <<

Transfusions increase .. serum iron .. precisely .. FREE serum iron ..
unbound .. iron ..

You didn't KNOW .. that .. transfusions increase .. FREE .. iron .. ?

How come you didn't .. know .. that ..

Transfusions .. which "coincidentally" .. raise infections by .. 12
fold .. are caused by the ACCESSIBILITY of iron .. iron .. iron ..
TO .. infection ..

You don't KNOW iron is used by .. microbes .. ?

Wasn''t that part of your .. job ..?

Try to .. keep .. up ..

Surg Infect (Larchmt). 2006;7 Suppl 2:S33-5. Links
Blood transfusions and postoperative infections in patients undergoing
elective surgery.Sitges-Serra A, Insenser JJ, Membrilla E.
Department of Surgery, Hospital del Mar, Barcelona, Spain.
asitges@imas.imim . es

BACKGROUND: Postoperative infections result from the interactions of
bacteria, the surgical technique, and host defense mechanisms. Thus,
identifying single determinant factors has proved difficult. MAGNITUDE
OF THE RISK: In a recent survey of 2,809 colorectal resections,
transfusion was the single most powerful risk factor for postoperative
infection. In patients undergoing primary hip or knee prosthesis
insertion, the transfusion of allogeneic blood increased the risk of a
deep-seated infection by a factor of 12. MECHANISMS: Several host
defense mechanisms are impaired by blood products. The initial
hypothesis incriminated the transfused white blood cells, but this
paradigm has since been challenged. The effects of free serum iron,
the blood storage time, and the presence in stored blood of bioactive
substances such as inhibitors of metalloproteinase-1 may also be
important. CONCLUSION: It is worth pursuing efforts to emphasize
autologous blood transfusion and the reinfusion of shed blood as blood
conservation strategies, as these practices reduce the risk of
infectious complications.

PMID: 16895501 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Re: Anemia Versus Death

>> On Jun 28, 1:43 pm, "JEDilworth" <bactit...@nospamhortonsbay . com >
wrote: [Tom, they have nothing to do with iron....] <<

It is actually fairly well known transfusions CAUSE .. free iron /
unbound iron .. and free iron / unbound iron FEEDS infection ..

I guess since you don't KNOW that .. means .. ?

You know very little about .. infections .. and BEING .. that seems to
be your 'claim to fame' / microbiology .. means .. ?

Stupidity .. ?

<<snip>>
NTBI is significantly increased
<<snip>>

Arch Dis Child Fetal Neonatal Ed. 2004 Sep;89(5):F408-11. Links
Effect of blood transfusions on oxidative stress in preterm
infants.Dani C, Martelli E, Bertini G, Pezzati M, Rossetti M,
Buonocore G, Paffetti P, Rubaltelli FF.
Division of Neonatology, Careggi University Hospital, University of
Florence School of Medicine, Viale Morgagni, 85 Firenze, Italy.
cdani@.unifi . it

OBJECTIVE: To confirm the increase in non-transferrin bound iron
(NTBI) after packed red cell (PRC) transfusion and to evaluate the
association with increased oxidative stress in preterm infants.
METHOD: Twenty healthy preterm infants (gestational age 28.2 (2.2)
weeks; birth weight 1047 (230) g), who required blood transfusion for
anaemia of prematurity were prospectively studied. Serum
concentrations of NTBI, total hydroperoxides (TH), and protein SH
groups, and plasma total radical trapping antioxidant capability (TAC)
were measured within three hours before and after PRC transfusion. The
infants were transfused with 38.6 (23) ml PRCs over 5.8 (1.0) hours,
at a mean age of 43.3 (25.1) days. RESULTS: After PRC transfusion,
haemoglobin concentration increased from 9.2 (1.1) to 14.6 (1.5) g/l.
Mean plasma NTBI concentration after transfusion was significantly
higher (0.43 (0.45) v 2.03 (1.31) micromol/l; p = 0.001), while plasma
concentrations of TH (212.3 (42.2) v 214.7 (66.3) Carr units/l) and
protein SH groups (317.5 (38.8) v 353.8 (57.4) micromol/), and TAC
(256.3 (36.1) v 267.1 (42.4) micromol HClO/ml) remained unchanged.
CONCLUSION: For three hours after PRC transfusion, plasma NTBI is
significantly increased in preterm infants, but this is not associated
with significant changes in oxidative stress.

PMID: 15321958 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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Re: Anemia Versus Death

On 2007-06-29 08:23:55 -0400, "ironjustice@aol . com " <ironjustice@aol . com > said:

>>> On Jun 28, 1:43 pm, "JEDilworth" <bactit...@nospamhortonsbay . com >
> wrote: [Tom, they have nothing to do with iron....] <<
>
> It is actually fairly well known transfusions CAUSE .. free iron /
> unbound iron .. and free iron / unbound iron FEEDS infection ..
>
> I guess since you don't KNOW that .. means .. ?
>
> You know very little about .. infections .. and BEING .. that seems to
> be your 'claim to fame' / microbiology .. means .. ?
>
> Stupidity .. ?
>

Well, I've had enough of your stupidity! One of the most common
elements in God's universe is IRON and most living things on this good
earth REQUIRE IRON to LIVE. Take IRON away and YOU WILL DIE!!!!

--
John Gentile MS, M(ASCP)
Laboratory Information Mgr.
VA Medical Center
Providence, RI
yjgent@cox . net

Re: Anemia Versus Death

Is it true all are invited to respond - that tablets with exta iron in them
are no good if taken with a hot drink (eg Tea)

My pharmacienne told me that when I picked up some for my wife recently



"John Gentile" <yjgent@cox . net > a écrit ...
>
>
> Well, I've had enough of your stupidity! One of the most common elements
> in God's universe is IRON and most living things on this good earth
> REQUIRE IRON to LIVE. Take IRON away and YOU WILL DIE!!!!
>
> --
> John Gentile MS, M(ASCP)
> Laboratory Information Mgr.
> VA Medical Center
> Providence, RI yjgent@cox . net

Re: Anemia Versus Death


"Frank T2" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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> Is it true all are invited to respond - that tablets with exta iron in
> them
> are no good if taken with a hot drink (eg Tea)
>
> My pharmacienne told me that when I picked up some for my wife recently

Yes - that's true.
There's also stuff in cornflakes that stops you absorbing the iron in the
cornflakes.

Contrary to what you might read here, it can be tricky to get iron into the
body.