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Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
their reefers.
< * w w w .nature . com /news/2007/070508/full/070508-11.html>
Inhaling cannabis without the smoke
Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'.
Arran Frood
Vaporizing cannabis leaves instead of burning them can release the drug's
active ingredient just as effectively ? while avoiding the harmful
toxins inhaled through smoking the drug, according to a pilot study.
The result could be good news for those who choose to use marijuana
medicinally.
The potential benefits of marijuana include pain relief for
multiple-sclerosis sufferers, a treatment for glaucoma, as an appetite
stimulant for AIDS patients and an anti-nausea agent for people on
chemotherapy. But smoking isn't a good method of drug delivery because the
harmful effects ? such as lung cancer and heart disease ? outweigh the
likely merits of marijuana for all but terminal cases.
Rather than smoking, some use the leaves to make tea or cakes for
consumption. But this means that the active agents are metabolized by the
liver rather than entering the bloodstream unaltered. Others have focused
on extracting active ingredients such as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and
delivering them alone in a pill or oral spray. However, many think that
the isolated ingredients are not as effective as the whole plant, and it
is more difficult to customize the dose for each individual with a pill.
Hot stuff
Donald Abrams of the University of California, San Francisco, and his team
decided to investigate the benefits of the 'Volcano', a commercially
available vaporizer. The device heats marijuana leaves to a temperature
between 180 and 200 °C so that THC is released from oils on the surface
of the leaf but no actual combustion takes place.
Previous studies have shown that harmful toxins released through smoking
cannabis such as carbon monoxide, benzene and a host of compounds known as
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (many of which are known carcinogens) are
not produced by such devices.
Abrams' study is the first to compare the effects of smoking and
vaporizing cannabis on human subjects. "We were able to deliver
more-or-less equivalent amounts of THC into the bloodstream," he says. The
main difference between the two delivery methods was that THC seemed to be
absorbed into the bloodstream faster when using the vaporizer1. "The
pharmacological and physiological effects were comparable," he says,
although a larger study would be needed to prove that they are
biologically equivalent.
Slow burn
The first studies to highlight the advantages of using vaporizers for
cannabis were published more than five years ago, but the pace of research
has been slow, partly because there is only one source of
research-approved marijuana in the United States ? the National
Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) ? which critics accuse of dictating
research along a political agenda. A legal ruling this February
recommended that the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) end NIDA's
monopoly on the production of marijuana for research approved by the US
Food and Drug Administration and by the DEA.
Laura Bell of the Multiple Sclerosis Society in the UK says that her
society supports cannabinoid research for people with multiple sclerosis.
"Smoking cannabis results in exposure to many toxic chemicals," she says.
"We welcome research into better and safer delivery methods."
Cannabis leaf is not the only substrate suited to a vaporizer. Other
herbal preparations, such as eucalyptus and chamomile can also be used, or
any plant with medicinal properties in the volatile compounds of its
leaves.
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
their reefers.
< * w w w .nature . com /news/2007/070508/full/070508-11.html>
Inhaling cannabis without the smoke
Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'.
Arran Frood
Vaporizing cannabis leaves instead of burning them can release the drug's
active ingredient just as effectively ? while avoiding the harmful
toxins inhaled through smoking the drug, according to a pilot study.
The result could be good news for those who choose to use marijuana
medicinally.
The potential benefits of marijuana include pain relief for
multiple-sclerosis sufferers, a treatment for glaucoma, as an appetite
stimulant for AIDS patients and an anti-nausea agent for people on
chemotherapy. But smoking isn't a good method of drug delivery because the
harmful effects ? such as lung cancer and heart disease ? outweigh the
likely merits of marijuana for all but terminal cases.
Rather than smoking, some use the leaves to make tea or cakes for
consumption. But this means that the active agents are metabolized by the
liver rather than entering the bloodstream unaltered. Others have focused
on extracting active ingredients such as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and
delivering them alone in a pill or oral spray. However, many think that
the isolated ingredients are not as effective as the whole plant, and it
is more difficult to customize the dose for each individual with a pill.
Hot stuff
Donald Abrams of the University of California, San Francisco, and his team
decided to investigate the benefits of the 'Volcano', a commercially
available vaporizer. The device heats marijuana leaves to a temperature
between 180 and 200 °C so that THC is released from oils on the surface
of the leaf but no actual combustion takes place.
Previous studies have shown that harmful toxins released through smoking
cannabis such as carbon monoxide, benzene and a host of compounds known as
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (many of which are known carcinogens) are
not produced by such devices.
Abrams' study is the first to compare the effects of smoking and
vaporizing cannabis on human subjects. "We were able to deliver
more-or-less equivalent amounts of THC into the bloodstream," he says. The
main difference between the two delivery methods was that THC seemed to be
absorbed into the bloodstream faster when using the vaporizer1. "The
pharmacological and physiological effects were comparable," he says,
although a larger study would be needed to prove that they are
biologically equivalent.
Slow burn
The first studies to highlight the advantages of using vaporizers for
cannabis were published more than five years ago, but the pace of research
has been slow, partly because there is only one source of
research-approved marijuana in the United States ? the National
Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) ? which critics accuse of dictating
research along a political agenda. A legal ruling this February
recommended that the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) end NIDA's
monopoly on the production of marijuana for research approved by the US
Food and Drug Administration and by the DEA.
Laura Bell of the Multiple Sclerosis Society in the UK says that her
society supports cannabinoid research for people with multiple sclerosis.
"Smoking cannabis results in exposure to many toxic chemicals," she says.
"We welcome research into better and safer delivery methods."
Cannabis leaf is not the only substrate suited to a vaporizer. Other
herbal preparations, such as eucalyptus and chamomile can also be used, or
any plant with medicinal properties in the volatile compounds of its
leaves.
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
> their reefers.
I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my first
one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
don't often use it..
>
> < * w w w .nature . com /news/2007/070508/full/070508-11.html>
>
> Inhaling cannabis without the smoke
>
> Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'.
>
> Arran Frood
>
> Vaporizing cannabis leaves instead of burning them can release the drug's
> active ingredient just as effectively - while avoiding the harmful
> toxins inhaled through smoking the drug, according to a pilot study.
>
> The result could be good news for those who choose to use marijuana
> medicinally.
>
> The potential benefits of marijuana include pain relief for
> multiple-sclerosis sufferers, a treatment for glaucoma, as an appetite
> stimulant for AIDS patients and an anti-nausea agent for people on
> chemotherapy. But smoking isn't a good method of drug delivery because the
> harmful effects - such as lung cancer and heart disease - outweigh the
> likely merits of marijuana for all but terminal cases.
>
> Rather than smoking, some use the leaves to make tea or cakes for
> consumption. But this means that the active agents are metabolized by the
> liver rather than entering the bloodstream unaltered. Others have focused
> on extracting active ingredients such as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and
> delivering them alone in a pill or oral spray. However, many think that
> the isolated ingredients are not as effective as the whole plant, and it
> is more difficult to customize the dose for each individual with a pill.
>
> Hot stuff
>
> Donald Abrams of the University of California, San Francisco, and his team
> decided to investigate the benefits of the 'Volcano', a commercially
> available vaporizer. The device heats marijuana leaves to a temperature
> between 180 and 200 °C so that THC is released from oils on the surface
> of the leaf but no actual combustion takes place.
>
> Previous studies have shown that harmful toxins released through smoking
> cannabis such as carbon monoxide, benzene and a host of compounds known as
> polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (many of which are known carcinogens) are
> not produced by such devices.
>
> Abrams' study is the first to compare the effects of smoking and
> vaporizing cannabis on human subjects. "We were able to deliver
> more-or-less equivalent amounts of THC into the bloodstream," he says. The
> main difference between the two delivery methods was that THC seemed to be
> absorbed into the bloodstream faster when using the vaporizer1. "The
> pharmacological and physiological effects were comparable," he says,
> although a larger study would be needed to prove that they are
> biologically equivalent.
>
> Slow burn
>
> The first studies to highlight the advantages of using vaporizers for
> cannabis were published more than five years ago, but the pace of research
> has been slow, partly because there is only one source of
> research-approved marijuana in the United States - the National
> Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) - which critics accuse of dictating
> research along a political agenda. A legal ruling this February
> recommended that the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) end NIDA's
> monopoly on the production of marijuana for research approved by the US
> Food and Drug Administration and by the DEA.
>
> Laura Bell of the Multiple Sclerosis Society in the UK says that her
> society supports cannabinoid research for people with multiple sclerosis.
> "Smoking cannabis results in exposure to many toxic chemicals," she says.
> "We welcome research into better and safer delivery methods."
>
> Cannabis leaf is not the only substrate suited to a vaporizer. Other
> herbal preparations, such as eucalyptus and chamomile can also be used, or
> any plant with medicinal properties in the volatile compounds of its
> leaves.
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
> their reefers.
I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my first
one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
don't often use it..
>
> < * w w w .nature . com /news/2007/070508/full/070508-11.html>
>
> Inhaling cannabis without the smoke
>
> Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'.
>
> Arran Frood
>
> Vaporizing cannabis leaves instead of burning them can release the drug's
> active ingredient just as effectively - while avoiding the harmful
> toxins inhaled through smoking the drug, according to a pilot study.
>
> The result could be good news for those who choose to use marijuana
> medicinally.
>
> The potential benefits of marijuana include pain relief for
> multiple-sclerosis sufferers, a treatment for glaucoma, as an appetite
> stimulant for AIDS patients and an anti-nausea agent for people on
> chemotherapy. But smoking isn't a good method of drug delivery because the
> harmful effects - such as lung cancer and heart disease - outweigh the
> likely merits of marijuana for all but terminal cases.
>
> Rather than smoking, some use the leaves to make tea or cakes for
> consumption. But this means that the active agents are metabolized by the
> liver rather than entering the bloodstream unaltered. Others have focused
> on extracting active ingredients such as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and
> delivering them alone in a pill or oral spray. However, many think that
> the isolated ingredients are not as effective as the whole plant, and it
> is more difficult to customize the dose for each individual with a pill.
>
> Hot stuff
>
> Donald Abrams of the University of California, San Francisco, and his team
> decided to investigate the benefits of the 'Volcano', a commercially
> available vaporizer. The device heats marijuana leaves to a temperature
> between 180 and 200 °C so that THC is released from oils on the surface
> of the leaf but no actual combustion takes place.
>
> Previous studies have shown that harmful toxins released through smoking
> cannabis such as carbon monoxide, benzene and a host of compounds known as
> polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (many of which are known carcinogens) are
> not produced by such devices.
>
> Abrams' study is the first to compare the effects of smoking and
> vaporizing cannabis on human subjects. "We were able to deliver
> more-or-less equivalent amounts of THC into the bloodstream," he says. The
> main difference between the two delivery methods was that THC seemed to be
> absorbed into the bloodstream faster when using the vaporizer1. "The
> pharmacological and physiological effects were comparable," he says,
> although a larger study would be needed to prove that they are
> biologically equivalent.
>
> Slow burn
>
> The first studies to highlight the advantages of using vaporizers for
> cannabis were published more than five years ago, but the pace of research
> has been slow, partly because there is only one source of
> research-approved marijuana in the United States - the National
> Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) - which critics accuse of dictating
> research along a political agenda. A legal ruling this February
> recommended that the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) end NIDA's
> monopoly on the production of marijuana for research approved by the US
> Food and Drug Administration and by the DEA.
>
> Laura Bell of the Multiple Sclerosis Society in the UK says that her
> society supports cannabinoid research for people with multiple sclerosis.
> "Smoking cannabis results in exposure to many toxic chemicals," she says.
> "We welcome research into better and safer delivery methods."
>
> Cannabis leaf is not the only substrate suited to a vaporizer. Other
> herbal preparations, such as eucalyptus and chamomile can also be used, or
> any plant with medicinal properties in the volatile compounds of its
> leaves.
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:01 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
> first one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine
> so i don't often use it..
You *bought* a volcano? Are you rich?
* w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/010616brixton741a.jpg
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:01 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
> first one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine
> so i don't often use it..
You *bought* a volcano? Are you rich?
* w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/010616brixton741a.jpg
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.11.19.59.41.998974@stovell.org.uk...
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:01 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
>> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
>> first one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine
>> so i don't often use it..
>
> You *bought* a volcano? Are you rich?
No not that specific one, but a vapourizer never the less, mine cost about
£150(not too expensive) from what i can remember, it's in the loft thats how
often i use it. You got me interested in it again so i'm gona get it out
tomorrow. . it was years ago this is not a new invention, your photo is 2001
so i know you realise that but people are only really just begining to give
them the recognition they deserve. I had the idea i would stop smoking but
failed miserably
Back then i had a few quid anyway American Corporate IT pays well, my extra
curricular activites kinda cost me dear, but there was one or two things i
couldn't get my hands on during that time(grin). Things aren't quite the
breeze they once were, but i'm only just getting well after such debauchery.
>
> * w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/010616brixton741a.jpg
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.11.19.59.41.998974@stovell.org.uk...
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:01 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
>> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
>> first one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine
>> so i don't often use it..
>
> You *bought* a volcano? Are you rich?
No not that specific one, but a vapourizer never the less, mine cost about
£150(not too expensive) from what i can remember, it's in the loft thats how
often i use it. You got me interested in it again so i'm gona get it out
tomorrow. . it was years ago this is not a new invention, your photo is 2001
so i know you realise that but people are only really just begining to give
them the recognition they deserve. I had the idea i would stop smoking but
failed miserably
Back then i had a few quid anyway American Corporate IT pays well, my extra
curricular activites kinda cost me dear, but there was one or two things i
couldn't get my hands on during that time(grin). Things aren't quite the
breeze they once were, but i'm only just getting well after such debauchery.
>
> * w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/010616brixton741a.jpg
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:52:34 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
> your photo is
> 2001
Have you seen my 1980 pix?
* w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/lcc1980-05-10/
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:52:34 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
> your photo is
> 2001
Have you seen my 1980 pix?
* w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/lcc1980-05-10/
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.11.21.04.39.821226@stovell.org.uk...
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:52:34 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
>> your photo is
>> 2001
>
> Have you seen my 1980 pix?
I can't go back that far, your a long term toker with a few years on me..Are
you in any of them?? I've liked my weed since i was young, a little before i
should have really, but it was only swamp weed (i reckon about 5%) plus red
and gold seal..so nothing too potent..I never had access to the 22% stuff
even if it was around and i'm not convinced as the linage of skunk #1 was
the true start of the improvment in weed.
>
> * w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/lcc1980-05-10/
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.11.21.04.39.821226@stovell.org.uk...
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:52:34 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
>> your photo is
>> 2001
>
> Have you seen my 1980 pix?
I can't go back that far, your a long term toker with a few years on me..Are
you in any of them?? I've liked my weed since i was young, a little before i
should have really, but it was only swamp weed (i reckon about 5%) plus red
and gold seal..so nothing too potent..I never had access to the 22% stuff
even if it was around and i'm not convinced as the linage of skunk #1 was
the true start of the improvment in weed.
>
> * w w w .shuv.nildram.co.uk/lcc1980-05-10/
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On May 11, 9:06 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
wrote:
> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>
> >I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
> > their reefers.
>
> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my first
> one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
> don't often use it..
>
Try smoking cannabis pure whenever you feel like smoking tobacco. That
way, you can quit the nicotine addiction while continuing the smoking
habit.
After a while, when you've become accustomed to smoking cannabis pure
and no tobacco, you can start cutting back on the smoking habit and at
that point it's much easier because there is no nicotine craving and
you can switch from smoking to vaporizing.
Make sure you have your own bud so you can roll your own pure spliff
to avoid the temptation of friends offering a tobacco+bud joint. If
you really want to get rid of your nicotine dependency, it's not that
hard.
Pot can be smoked pure in a spliff without tobacco and if you roll a
slim one with potent bud,
you just take a few puffs to get a buzz, let it go out and save the
rest for later. Those plastic test-tubes
with a cap that screws on, if you can get ahold of them, are excellent
for storing a (partial) spliff.
* w w w .ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/spliff.jpg
That's the way I quit smoking tobacco (since 1999). I used to mix
cannabis and tobacco and switched to smoking cannabis pure and now I
vaporize it mostly and smoke it pure occasionally.
The willpower required to abstain from daily cannabis use is nowhere
near that required for abstaining from daily tobacco use and I think
the combination of cannabis and tobacco is even more addictive than
tobacco by itself because the combo tastes and smells better and has a
more dramatic psychological impact.
On May 11, 9:06 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
wrote:
> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>
> >I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
> > their reefers.
>
> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my first
> one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
> don't often use it..
>
Try smoking cannabis pure whenever you feel like smoking tobacco. That
way, you can quit the nicotine addiction while continuing the smoking
habit.
After a while, when you've become accustomed to smoking cannabis pure
and no tobacco, you can start cutting back on the smoking habit and at
that point it's much easier because there is no nicotine craving and
you can switch from smoking to vaporizing.
Make sure you have your own bud so you can roll your own pure spliff
to avoid the temptation of friends offering a tobacco+bud joint. If
you really want to get rid of your nicotine dependency, it's not that
hard.
Pot can be smoked pure in a spliff without tobacco and if you roll a
slim one with potent bud,
you just take a few puffs to get a buzz, let it go out and save the
rest for later. Those plastic test-tubes
with a cap that screws on, if you can get ahold of them, are excellent
for storing a (partial) spliff.
* w w w .ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/spliff.jpg
That's the way I quit smoking tobacco (since 1999). I used to mix
cannabis and tobacco and switched to smoking cannabis pure and now I
vaporize it mostly and smoke it pure occasionally.
The willpower required to abstain from daily cannabis use is nowhere
near that required for abstaining from daily tobacco use and I think
the combination of cannabis and tobacco is even more addictive than
tobacco by itself because the combo tastes and smells better and has a
more dramatic psychological impact.
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:1178940035.271815.47240@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 11, 9:06 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
> wrote:
>> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>>
>> >I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
>> > their reefers.
>>
>> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
>> first
>> one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
>> don't often use it..
>>
>
> Try smoking cannabis pure whenever you feel like smoking tobacco. That
> way, you can quit the nicotine addiction while continuing the smoking
> habit.
> After a while, when you've become accustomed to smoking cannabis pure
> and no tobacco, you can start cutting back on the smoking habit and at
> that point it's much easier because there is no nicotine craving and
> you can switch from smoking to vaporizing.
> Make sure you have your own bud so you can roll your own pure spliff
> to avoid the temptation of friends offering a tobacco+bud joint. If
> you really want to get rid of your nicotine dependency, it's not that
> hard.
> Pot can be smoked pure in a spliff without tobacco and if you roll a
> slim one with potent bud,
> you just take a few puffs to get a buzz, let it go out and save the
> rest for later. Those plastic test-tubes
> with a cap that screws on, if you can get ahold of them, are excellent
> for storing a (partial) spliff.
>
> * w w w .ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/spliff.jpg
>
> That's the way I quit smoking tobacco (since 1999). I used to mix
> cannabis and tobacco and switched to smoking cannabis pure and now I
> vaporize it mostly and smoke it pure occasionally.
> The willpower required to abstain from daily cannabis use is nowhere
> near that required for abstaining from daily tobacco use and I think
> the combination of cannabis and tobacco is even more addictive than
> tobacco by itself because the combo tastes and smells better and has a
> more dramatic psychological impact.
Thanks for the tips, I'm gona have to see how much my habit would cost if i
smoked solely Bud.. It may be prohibative...I'll bet it would be easier for
me giving up tobacco whilst continuing to smoking neat bud...you still have
the hand to mouh action and as you say get to smoke without the nicotine..
I'm gona have to psych myself up for this as i have been steadily cutting
the tobacco out down to 1- 12.5g bag of tobacco over 3 days or no more than
10 tailor made cigs a day....
I have had trouble with addiction as you'll know if you've read my posts but
i think the tobacco will be the biggest challange to date to completly
absatine, as I have done with everything except my weed...........
m.
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:1178940035.271815.47240@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 11, 9:06 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
> wrote:
>> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>>
>> >I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
>> > their reefers.
>>
>> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
>> first
>> one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
>> don't often use it..
>>
>
> Try smoking cannabis pure whenever you feel like smoking tobacco. That
> way, you can quit the nicotine addiction while continuing the smoking
> habit.
> After a while, when you've become accustomed to smoking cannabis pure
> and no tobacco, you can start cutting back on the smoking habit and at
> that point it's much easier because there is no nicotine craving and
> you can switch from smoking to vaporizing.
> Make sure you have your own bud so you can roll your own pure spliff
> to avoid the temptation of friends offering a tobacco+bud joint. If
> you really want to get rid of your nicotine dependency, it's not that
> hard.
> Pot can be smoked pure in a spliff without tobacco and if you roll a
> slim one with potent bud,
> you just take a few puffs to get a buzz, let it go out and save the
> rest for later. Those plastic test-tubes
> with a cap that screws on, if you can get ahold of them, are excellent
> for storing a (partial) spliff.
>
> * w w w .ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/spliff.jpg
>
> That's the way I quit smoking tobacco (since 1999). I used to mix
> cannabis and tobacco and switched to smoking cannabis pure and now I
> vaporize it mostly and smoke it pure occasionally.
> The willpower required to abstain from daily cannabis use is nowhere
> near that required for abstaining from daily tobacco use and I think
> the combination of cannabis and tobacco is even more addictive than
> tobacco by itself because the combo tastes and smells better and has a
> more dramatic psychological impact.
Thanks for the tips, I'm gona have to see how much my habit would cost if i
smoked solely Bud.. It may be prohibative...I'll bet it would be easier for
me giving up tobacco whilst continuing to smoking neat bud...you still have
the hand to mouh action and as you say get to smoke without the nicotine..
I'm gona have to psych myself up for this as i have been steadily cutting
the tobacco out down to 1- 12.5g bag of tobacco over 3 days or no more than
10 tailor made cigs a day....
I have had trouble with addiction as you'll know if you've read my posts but
i think the tobacco will be the biggest challange to date to completly
absatine, as I have done with everything except my weed...........
m.
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On Sat, 12 May 2007 08:37:19 GMT, "Mark Whiteley"
<mark.whiteley53@ntlworld . com > wrote:
>Thanks for the tips, I'm gona have to see how much my habit would cost if i
>smoked solely Bud.. It may be prohibative...I'll bet it would be easier for
>me giving up tobacco whilst continuing to smoking neat bud...you still have
>the hand to mouh action and as you say get to smoke without the nicotine..
Try a cheap bong. You can get something servicable for only a tenner.
If you like it, get a better one. It dramatically reduces the amount
of weed you need to use.
pj
On Sat, 12 May 2007 08:37:19 GMT, "Mark Whiteley"
<mark.whiteley53@ntlworld . com > wrote:
>Thanks for the tips, I'm gona have to see how much my habit would cost if i
>smoked solely Bud.. It may be prohibative...I'll bet it would be easier for
>me giving up tobacco whilst continuing to smoking neat bud...you still have
>the hand to mouh action and as you say get to smoke without the nicotine..
Try a cheap bong. You can get something servicable for only a tenner.
If you like it, get a better one. It dramatically reduces the amount
of weed you need to use.
pj
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:1178940035.271815.47240@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 11, 9:06 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
> wrote:
>> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>>
>> >I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
>> > their reefers.
>>
>> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
>> first
>> one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
>> don't often use it..
>>
>
> Try smoking cannabis pure whenever you feel like smoking tobacco. That
> way, you can quit the nicotine addiction while continuing the smoking
> habit.
> After a while, when you've become accustomed to smoking cannabis pure
> and no tobacco, you can start cutting back on the smoking habit and at
> that point it's much easier because there is no nicotine craving and
> you can switch from smoking to vaporizing.
> Make sure you have your own bud so you can roll your own pure spliff
> to avoid the temptation of friends offering a tobacco+bud joint. If
> you really want to get rid of your nicotine dependency, it's not that
> hard.
> Pot can be smoked pure in a spliff without tobacco and if you roll a
> slim one with potent bud,
> you just take a few puffs to get a buzz, let it go out and save the
> rest for later. Those plastic test-tubes
> with a cap that screws on, if you can get ahold of them, are excellent
> for storing a (partial) spliff.
well it's day one of my no-smoking drive.......I think this is going to be
harder than other addictions i've suffered from... . it harder cause it last
longer and is so easy to get IE. local shop.....I'm also going to stop
smoking cannabis for a couple of weeks so i have no smoke or vapours going
into my lungs even if they don't contain nicotine as i suspect it would make
it harder and the crave to smoke worse..
At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a hard
turkey....
>
> * w w w .ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/spliff.jpg
>
> That's the way I quit smoking tobacco (since 1999). I used to mix
> cannabis and tobacco and switched to smoking cannabis pure and now I
> vaporize it mostly and smoke it pure occasionally.
> The willpower required to abstain from daily cannabis use is nowhere
> near that required for abstaining from daily tobacco use and I think
> the combination of cannabis and tobacco is even more addictive than
> tobacco by itself because the combo tastes and smells better and has a
> more dramatic psychological impact.
>
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:1178940035.271815.47240@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 11, 9:06 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
> wrote:
>> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>>
>> >I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
>> > their reefers.
>>
>> I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my
>> first
>> one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
>> don't often use it..
>>
>
> Try smoking cannabis pure whenever you feel like smoking tobacco. That
> way, you can quit the nicotine addiction while continuing the smoking
> habit.
> After a while, when you've become accustomed to smoking cannabis pure
> and no tobacco, you can start cutting back on the smoking habit and at
> that point it's much easier because there is no nicotine craving and
> you can switch from smoking to vaporizing.
> Make sure you have your own bud so you can roll your own pure spliff
> to avoid the temptation of friends offering a tobacco+bud joint. If
> you really want to get rid of your nicotine dependency, it's not that
> hard.
> Pot can be smoked pure in a spliff without tobacco and if you roll a
> slim one with potent bud,
> you just take a few puffs to get a buzz, let it go out and save the
> rest for later. Those plastic test-tubes
> with a cap that screws on, if you can get ahold of them, are excellent
> for storing a (partial) spliff.
well it's day one of my no-smoking drive.......I think this is going to be
harder than other addictions i've suffered from... . it harder cause it last
longer and is so easy to get IE. local shop.....I'm also going to stop
smoking cannabis for a couple of weeks so i have no smoke or vapours going
into my lungs even if they don't contain nicotine as i suspect it would make
it harder and the crave to smoke worse..
At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a hard
turkey....
>
> * w w w .ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/spliff.jpg
>
> That's the way I quit smoking tobacco (since 1999). I used to mix
> cannabis and tobacco and switched to smoking cannabis pure and now I
> vaporize it mostly and smoke it pure occasionally.
> The willpower required to abstain from daily cannabis use is nowhere
> near that required for abstaining from daily tobacco use and I think
> the combination of cannabis and tobacco is even more addictive than
> tobacco by itself because the combo tastes and smells better and has a
> more dramatic psychological impact.
>
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a hard
> turkey....
I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had to
start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid dreams,
which lasted two days.
Good luck!
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a hard
> turkey....
I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had to
start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid dreams,
which lasted two days.
Good luck!
--
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.15.10.10.35.643768@stovell.org.uk...
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
>> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a
>> hard
>> turkey....
>
> I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had to
> start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
>
> Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid dreams,
> which lasted two days.
>
> Good luck!
I'm gona need it, I'm already dying for a cig....and it's only been 15hrs
ish..
God knows what it will be like by tonight, when no doubt i'll want a joint
also.. Smoking cigs is one thing i wish i'd never done, however the weed
abstinance is tempory whilst i get used to not smoking...I've heard the
worst(cigs) lasts 14days, after that it get easier??
I've been steadily cutting down on my smoking for the last couple of months
in prep for this, I've pulled out my vapouiser in case it becomes too hard
and i wana jump off the nearest bridge.....I'm not sure how much my prep
will have helped but I should have lower levels of nicotine and thus find
it easier to stop in theory..
I find using my vapouriser is more like tasting weed than smoking, it's the
vapours and not smoke so it is much lighter on the lungs(much whiter in
appearance)... . it has a hot plate and takes a couple of minutes to fill the
chamber reay to inhale....The trouble is i particulary like my joints, i
like the taste and the kinda numbing feeling that takes place in the
lungs... This is not gona be fun!!
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.15.10.10.35.643768@stovell.org.uk...
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
>> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a
>> hard
>> turkey....
>
> I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had to
> start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
>
> Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid dreams,
> which lasted two days.
>
> Good luck!
I'm gona need it, I'm already dying for a cig....and it's only been 15hrs
ish..
God knows what it will be like by tonight, when no doubt i'll want a joint
also.. Smoking cigs is one thing i wish i'd never done, however the weed
abstinance is tempory whilst i get used to not smoking...I've heard the
worst(cigs) lasts 14days, after that it get easier??
I've been steadily cutting down on my smoking for the last couple of months
in prep for this, I've pulled out my vapouiser in case it becomes too hard
and i wana jump off the nearest bridge.....I'm not sure how much my prep
will have helped but I should have lower levels of nicotine and thus find
it easier to stop in theory..
I find using my vapouriser is more like tasting weed than smoking, it's the
vapours and not smoke so it is much lighter on the lungs(much whiter in
appearance)... . it has a hot plate and takes a couple of minutes to fill the
chamber reay to inhale....The trouble is i particulary like my joints, i
like the taste and the kinda numbing feeling that takes place in the
lungs... This is not gona be fun!!
>
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
>
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On May 15, 1:08 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
wrote:
> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2007.05.15.10.10.35.643768@stovell.org.uk...
>
> > On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
> >> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a
> >> hard
> >> turkey....
>
> > I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had to
> > start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
>
> > Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid dreams,
> > which lasted two days.
>
> > Good luck!
>
> I'm gona need it, I'm already dying for a cig....and it's only been 15hrs
> ish..
Why make it so hard for yourself? Just have a nice spliff whenever you
feel like smoking. As long as you stay away from nicotine/tobacco.
I think the most important is to really think through why you want to
get rid of the nicotine dependency and ensure you keep this in mind at
all times, so you never have a moment where you are tempted to light
up a cigarette again.
>
> God knows what it will be like by tonight, when no doubt i'll want a joint
> also.. Smoking cigs is one thing i wish i'd never done, however the weed
> abstinance is tempory whilst i get used to not smoking...I've heard the
> worst(cigs) lasts 14days, after that it get easier??
>
> I've been steadily cutting down on my smoking for the last couple of months
> in prep for this, I've pulled out my vapouiser in case it becomes too hard
> and i wana jump off the nearest bridge.....I'm not sure how much my prep
> will have helped but I should have lower levels of nicotine and thus find
> it easier to stop in theory..
>
> I find using my vapouriser is more like tasting weed than smoking, it's the
> vapours and not smoke so it is much lighter on the lungs(much whiter in
> appearance)... . it has a hot plate and takes a couple of minutes to fill the
> chamber reay to inhale....
The problem with the hotplate vaporizers is that they don't work very
efficiently.
As you can read at the following website, hotplate vaporizers are
especially good for medical use, since they yield mostly other
cannabinoids (like CBD) besides THC.
* w w w .maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html
The more expensive vaporizers that work with hot air are much more
efficient.
I've got 3 of them, one volcano and two with a hot airgun that are
listed on this webpage:
* w w w .de-verdamper.nl/
> The trouble is i particulary like my joints, i
> like the taste and the kinda numbing feeling that takes place in the
> lungs... This is not gona be fun!!
>
I used to like joints as well, but eventually they really hurt my
lungs and that provides a powerful motivation to get rid of the
nicotine addiction.
A spliff is much lighter on the lungs compared to a joint containing
both tobacco and weed/hash and similarly vapor in turn is much lighter
on the lungs compared to the smoke from a pure spliff. You tend to
feel tobacco smoke as a kind of load on your lungs when you inhale,
and with vapor, you tend to feel it on your lungs as you exhale.
Good luck with your efforts.
>
> > --
> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On May 15, 1:08 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
wrote:
> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2007.05.15.10.10.35.643768@stovell.org.uk...
>
> > On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>
> >> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a
> >> hard
> >> turkey....
>
> > I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had to
> > start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
>
> > Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid dreams,
> > which lasted two days.
>
> > Good luck!
>
> I'm gona need it, I'm already dying for a cig....and it's only been 15hrs
> ish..
Why make it so hard for yourself? Just have a nice spliff whenever you
feel like smoking. As long as you stay away from nicotine/tobacco.
I think the most important is to really think through why you want to
get rid of the nicotine dependency and ensure you keep this in mind at
all times, so you never have a moment where you are tempted to light
up a cigarette again.
>
> God knows what it will be like by tonight, when no doubt i'll want a joint
> also.. Smoking cigs is one thing i wish i'd never done, however the weed
> abstinance is tempory whilst i get used to not smoking...I've heard the
> worst(cigs) lasts 14days, after that it get easier??
>
> I've been steadily cutting down on my smoking for the last couple of months
> in prep for this, I've pulled out my vapouiser in case it becomes too hard
> and i wana jump off the nearest bridge.....I'm not sure how much my prep
> will have helped but I should have lower levels of nicotine and thus find
> it easier to stop in theory..
>
> I find using my vapouriser is more like tasting weed than smoking, it's the
> vapours and not smoke so it is much lighter on the lungs(much whiter in
> appearance)... . it has a hot plate and takes a couple of minutes to fill the
> chamber reay to inhale....
The problem with the hotplate vaporizers is that they don't work very
efficiently.
As you can read at the following website, hotplate vaporizers are
especially good for medical use, since they yield mostly other
cannabinoids (like CBD) besides THC.
* w w w .maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html
The more expensive vaporizers that work with hot air are much more
efficient.
I've got 3 of them, one volcano and two with a hot airgun that are
listed on this webpage:
* w w w .de-verdamper.nl/
> The trouble is i particulary like my joints, i
> like the taste and the kinda numbing feeling that takes place in the
> lungs... This is not gona be fun!!
>
I used to like joints as well, but eventually they really hurt my
lungs and that provides a powerful motivation to get rid of the
nicotine addiction.
A spliff is much lighter on the lungs compared to a joint containing
both tobacco and weed/hash and similarly vapor in turn is much lighter
on the lungs compared to the smoke from a pure spliff. You tend to
feel tobacco smoke as a kind of load on your lungs when you inhale,
and with vapor, you tend to feel it on your lungs as you exhale.
Good luck with your efforts.
>
> > --
> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:1179239089.054852.298680@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 15, 1:08 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
> wrote:
>> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2007.05.15.10.10.35.643768@stovell.org.uk...
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>>
>> >> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a
>> >> hard
>> >> turkey....
>>
>> > I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had
>> > to
>> > start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
>>
>> > Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid
>> > dreams,
>> > which lasted two days.
>>
>> > Good luck!
>>
>> I'm gona need it, I'm already dying for a cig....and it's only been 15hrs
>> ish..
>
> Why make it so hard for yourself? Just have a nice spliff whenever you
> feel like smoking. As long as you stay away from nicotine/tobacco.
> I think the most important is to really think through why you want to
> get rid of the nicotine dependency and ensure you keep this in mind at
> all times, so you never have a moment where you are tempted to light
> up a cigarette again.
4 Grandparents and 1 step grandparent have had nasty cancer, 4 died and one
still lives....I watched them rot away and it was not pleasant, hence the
fact that i now want to stop smoking before i increase my chances of getting
such illness's. As i'm still under 35 if i stop now there will be no sign of
smoke damage in years to come...
>
>>
>> God knows what it will be like by tonight, when no doubt i'll want a
>> joint
>> also.. Smoking cigs is one thing i wish i'd never done, however the weed
>> abstinance is tempory whilst i get used to not smoking...I've heard the
>> worst(cigs) lasts 14days, after that it get easier??
>>
>> I've been steadily cutting down on my smoking for the last couple of
>> months
>> in prep for this, I've pulled out my vapouiser in case it becomes too
>> hard
>> and i wana jump off the nearest bridge.....I'm not sure how much my prep
>> will have helped but I should have lower levels of nicotine and thus
>> find
>> it easier to stop in theory..
>>
>> I find using my vapouriser is more like tasting weed than smoking, it's
>> the
>> vapours and not smoke so it is much lighter on the lungs(much whiter in
>> appearance)... . it has a hot plate and takes a couple of minutes to fill
>> the
>> chamber reay to inhale....
>
> The problem with the hotplate vaporizers is that they don't work very
> efficiently.
>
> As you can read at the following website, hotplate vaporizers are
> especially good for medical use, since they yield mostly other
> cannabinoids (like CBD) besides THC.
Very interesting stuff, that vapourise called the "Tilt" seemed interesting.
The fact that water pipes are more damaging despite cooling the smoke, due
to the stickyness of the THC was a good point, I had read it somewhere
before but people kept telling me i was mistaken.....Clearly i wasn't!
>
> * w w w .maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html
>
> The more expensive vaporizers that work with hot air are much more
> efficient.
> I've got 3 of them, one volcano and two with a hot airgun that are
> listed on this webpage:
>
> * w w w .de-verdamper.nl/
>
>
>> The trouble is i particulary like my joints, i
>> like the taste and the kinda numbing feeling that takes place in the
>> lungs... This is not gona be fun!!
>>
>
> I used to like joints as well, but eventually they really hurt my
> lungs and that provides a powerful motivation to get rid of the
> nicotine addiction.
> A spliff is much lighter on the lungs compared to a joint containing
> both tobacco and weed/hash and similarly vapor in turn is much lighter
> on the lungs compared to the smoke from a pure spliff. You tend to
> feel tobacco smoke as a kind of load on your lungs when you inhale,
> and with vapor, you tend to feel it on your lungs as you exhale.
>
>
> Good luck with your efforts.
>
>>
>> > --
>> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:1179239089.054852.298680@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On May 15, 1:08 pm, "Mark Whiteley" <mark.whitele...@ntlworld . com >
> wrote:
>> "Phil Stovell" <p...@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2007.05.15.10.10.35.643768@stovell.org.uk...
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:27:28 +0000, Mark Whiteley wrote:
>>
>> >> At least i'm not going to be puking and shaking, still it's gona be a
>> >> hard
>> >> turkey....
>>
>> > I gave up cigs cold turkey in 2001. I had the pukes and shakes so I had
>> > to
>> > start on NRT gum, which I'm still on :-(.
>>
>> > Withdrawal from cannabis consisted of the sweats, weird and lucid
>> > dreams,
>> > which lasted two days.
>>
>> > Good luck!
>>
>> I'm gona need it, I'm already dying for a cig....and it's only been 15hrs
>> ish..
>
> Why make it so hard for yourself? Just have a nice spliff whenever you
> feel like smoking. As long as you stay away from nicotine/tobacco.
> I think the most important is to really think through why you want to
> get rid of the nicotine dependency and ensure you keep this in mind at
> all times, so you never have a moment where you are tempted to light
> up a cigarette again.
4 Grandparents and 1 step grandparent have had nasty cancer, 4 died and one
still lives....I watched them rot away and it was not pleasant, hence the
fact that i now want to stop smoking before i increase my chances of getting
such illness's. As i'm still under 35 if i stop now there will be no sign of
smoke damage in years to come...
>
>>
>> God knows what it will be like by tonight, when no doubt i'll want a
>> joint
>> also.. Smoking cigs is one thing i wish i'd never done, however the weed
>> abstinance is tempory whilst i get used to not smoking...I've heard the
>> worst(cigs) lasts 14days, after that it get easier??
>>
>> I've been steadily cutting down on my smoking for the last couple of
>> months
>> in prep for this, I've pulled out my vapouiser in case it becomes too
>> hard
>> and i wana jump off the nearest bridge.....I'm not sure how much my prep
>> will have helped but I should have lower levels of nicotine and thus
>> find
>> it easier to stop in theory..
>>
>> I find using my vapouriser is more like tasting weed than smoking, it's
>> the
>> vapours and not smoke so it is much lighter on the lungs(much whiter in
>> appearance)... . it has a hot plate and takes a couple of minutes to fill
>> the
>> chamber reay to inhale....
>
> The problem with the hotplate vaporizers is that they don't work very
> efficiently.
>
> As you can read at the following website, hotplate vaporizers are
> especially good for medical use, since they yield mostly other
> cannabinoids (like CBD) besides THC.
Very interesting stuff, that vapourise called the "Tilt" seemed interesting.
The fact that water pipes are more damaging despite cooling the smoke, due
to the stickyness of the THC was a good point, I had read it somewhere
before but people kept telling me i was mistaken.....Clearly i wasn't!
>
> * w w w .maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html
>
> The more expensive vaporizers that work with hot air are much more
> efficient.
> I've got 3 of them, one volcano and two with a hot airgun that are
> listed on this webpage:
>
> * w w w .de-verdamper.nl/
>
>
>> The trouble is i particulary like my joints, i
>> like the taste and the kinda numbing feeling that takes place in the
>> lungs... This is not gona be fun!!
>>
>
> I used to like joints as well, but eventually they really hurt my
> lungs and that provides a powerful motivation to get rid of the
> nicotine addiction.
> A spliff is much lighter on the lungs compared to a joint containing
> both tobacco and weed/hash and similarly vapor in turn is much lighter
> on the lungs compared to the smoke from a pure spliff. You tend to
> feel tobacco smoke as a kind of load on your lungs when you inhale,
> and with vapor, you tend to feel it on your lungs as you exhale.
>
>
> Good luck with your efforts.
>
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Re: Nature: Study shows vaporizer delivers marijuana 'safely and effectively'
On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:01 GMT, "Mark Whiteley"
<mark.whiteley53@ntlworld . com > wrote:
>
>"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>>I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
>> their reefers.
>
>I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my first
>one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
>don't often use it..
Doesn't also work to release nicotine from tobacco? - nearly all the
toxins from smoking are the result of burning tobacco. In other words
why don't you use the vaporizor with tobacco alone?
On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:01 GMT, "Mark Whiteley"
<mark.whiteley53@ntlworld . com > wrote:
>
>"Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:pan.2007.05.11.15.25.59.449831@stovell.org.uk...
>>I suppose Brits will be adding tobacco to their Volcanos as they do to
>> their reefers.
>
>I'm suprised they've taken so long to become fashionable, i bought my first
>one around 8years ago now...but i'm hopelesly addicted to nicotine so i
>don't often use it..
Doesn't also work to release nicotine from tobacco? - nearly all the
toxins from smoking are the result of burning tobacco. In other words
why don't you use the vaporizor with tobacco alone?
