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Question about bone density
Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
Re: Question about bone density
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:14:06 GMT, Chris <roell29@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
>Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
>might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
>totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
>hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
>for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
>osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
>negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
>bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
>Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
Hypothyroid meds are meant to bring your thyroid into the normal range
from low. There is no danger of osteoporosis in having normal thyroid
function (or replacement meds to do it). The danger is in being HYPER
thyroid.
You were probably more sedentary because you were skipping your
thyroid meds, by the by.
Your doctor is mostly right. You can reverse everything you've been
dong (but take those thyroid meds, whatever you do) and it'll slow the
progression of osteoporosis. Taking the Forteo meds and changing to
some weight bearing exercise, getting out in the sunlight for a while
each day (and / or taking vitamin D with your calcium) will probably
stop the progression and will certainly slow it. And it may even do
something to reversing the process. But without the Forteo, nope. Not
likely.
There are some physical processes that can't be reversed. Some that
can only be reversed a tiny bit by extraordinary effort. Brain cell
and lung tissue loss can be reversed a very tiny bit over long times
according to some recent stuff I've read, but it might take longer
than the usual human life span to have much effect noticeable to
anyone but a research scientist or a pathologist. Not practical.
If you're young enough, work hard at it and _take your Forteo_ you
might even regain some bone. Your doctor won't say that because most
patients would take it as a promise and be royally po'd when it turned
out that all that had happened was a slowing of the progression of
osteoporosis. They wouldn't even be pleased at that point if the
progression were stopped.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
* w w w .visi . com /~cyli
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:14:06 GMT, Chris <roell29@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
>Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
>might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
>totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
>hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
>for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
>osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
>negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
>bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
>Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
Hypothyroid meds are meant to bring your thyroid into the normal range
from low. There is no danger of osteoporosis in having normal thyroid
function (or replacement meds to do it). The danger is in being HYPER
thyroid.
You were probably more sedentary because you were skipping your
thyroid meds, by the by.
Your doctor is mostly right. You can reverse everything you've been
dong (but take those thyroid meds, whatever you do) and it'll slow the
progression of osteoporosis. Taking the Forteo meds and changing to
some weight bearing exercise, getting out in the sunlight for a while
each day (and / or taking vitamin D with your calcium) will probably
stop the progression and will certainly slow it. And it may even do
something to reversing the process. But without the Forteo, nope. Not
likely.
There are some physical processes that can't be reversed. Some that
can only be reversed a tiny bit by extraordinary effort. Brain cell
and lung tissue loss can be reversed a very tiny bit over long times
according to some recent stuff I've read, but it might take longer
than the usual human life span to have much effect noticeable to
anyone but a research scientist or a pathologist. Not practical.
If you're young enough, work hard at it and _take your Forteo_ you
might even regain some bone. Your doctor won't say that because most
patients would take it as a promise and be royally po'd when it turned
out that all that had happened was a slowing of the progression of
osteoporosis. They wouldn't even be pleased at that point if the
progression were stopped.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
* w w w .visi . com /~cyli
Re: Question about bone density
"Chris" <roell29@yahoo . com > wrote in message news:s2mp63t4kr44goblatn22l6afrlnk4t7ba@4ax . com ...
>
> Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
> Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
> might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
> totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
> hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
> for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
> osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
> negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
> bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
> Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
A couple questions:
1) your age?
2) your gender?
3) what kind of exercises are you willing to do?
Art
"Chris" <roell29@yahoo . com > wrote in message news:s2mp63t4kr44goblatn22l6afrlnk4t7ba@4ax . com ...
>
> Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
> Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
> might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
> totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
> hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
> for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
> osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
> negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
> bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
> Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
A couple questions:
1) your age?
2) your gender?
3) what kind of exercises are you willing to do?
Art
Re: Question about bone density
The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
even the sun may send these levels too high. Something to
watch in your labs. And after you quit Forteo there
will be a month or so that the body will continue to activate
vitamin D at an increased rate beyond normal.
I'd consider a vitamin K supplement of at least a milligram sized dose
to increase bone strength and to help lessen the chance of
ectopic calcium deposits. In a Japanese protocol for the TX of
osteo, they use 45 mgs of vitamin K2 per day. 15 mgs per
meal. The protocol uses a dose of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2
vitamin D and this also has the risk of excess vitamin D as this
overrides the protective mechanisms for the control over
the vitamin's effects. And I think they also use a bisphosphonate
med in the protocol.
This is just my opinion.
On Jun 10, 10:14 pm, Chris <roel...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
> Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
> might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
> totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
> hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
> for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
> osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
> negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
> bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
> Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
even the sun may send these levels too high. Something to
watch in your labs. And after you quit Forteo there
will be a month or so that the body will continue to activate
vitamin D at an increased rate beyond normal.
I'd consider a vitamin K supplement of at least a milligram sized dose
to increase bone strength and to help lessen the chance of
ectopic calcium deposits. In a Japanese protocol for the TX of
osteo, they use 45 mgs of vitamin K2 per day. 15 mgs per
meal. The protocol uses a dose of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2
vitamin D and this also has the risk of excess vitamin D as this
overrides the protective mechanisms for the control over
the vitamin's effects. And I think they also use a bisphosphonate
med in the protocol.
This is just my opinion.
On Jun 10, 10:14 pm, Chris <roel...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> Hi, I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doc wants me to try
> Forteo. He thinks I've had it my whole life, but I thought that I
> might have lost my bone density over the last year, in which I was
> totally sedentary, smoked nonstop, got no sunlight and didn't take my
> hypothyroid meds, all of which I've since discovered are risk factors
> for Osteoporosis. So what I was wondering is, if I did develop
> osteoporosis just in the last year, and if I were to reverse all the
> negative risk factors, is there a chance I could recover substantial
> bone density, or is my doc right in saying it can't be recovered and
> Forteo is my best option. Any thoughts much appreciated.
Re: Question about bone density
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:40:52 -0700, betaine_hcl@yahoo . com wrote:
>The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
>raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
>so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
>even the sun may send these levels too high.
As I've read studies on Medscape showing that up to 400 times the RDA
of vitamin D is harmless, I doubt that should be a worry. If it is,
regular blood tests will show it.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
* w w w .visi . com /~cyli
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:40:52 -0700, betaine_hcl@yahoo . com wrote:
>The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
>raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
>so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
>even the sun may send these levels too high.
As I've read studies on Medscape showing that up to 400 times the RDA
of vitamin D is harmless, I doubt that should be a worry. If it is,
regular blood tests will show it.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
* w w w .visi . com /~cyli
Re: Question about bone density
You are misunderstanding the Medscape article.
What you don't understand is that the outside source/exogenous
rPTH over rides the safety controls of the body when it
come to activating 25 OH vitamin D into 1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D.
Sure in overwhelming majority of persons not on rPTH, huge
doses of vitamin D3 are pretty safe. But taking rPTH with supplemental
vitamin D is like taking cholecalcitriol aka 1,25 (OH)2 vitamin D.
In one of the recent article on Medscape under the title
"Down to the Bone: Issues in the Maintenance and Evaluation of
Bone Health' Dr. Heaney says 10 000 IU on D is safe but what he is
talking about is cholecalciferol. And he uses 1000 IU for
about everyone that walking in the clinic's door and 2000 IU after
three months of 1000 and a test of 25 OH vitamin D serum levels if
their level is still below 32 ng/dL (80 nmol/L).
There is a separate test for calcitriol serum levels which
bounces around quite alot especially in persons who've deficient/
depleted
in their 25 OH serum levels. Such persion have chronically elevated
PTH
levels as their endocrine system seeks to maintain calcium serum
levels.
PTH elevates the activation of calcifediol.
Also take a listen to this conference various sessions and skip the
first
session until last.
* app2.capitalreach . com /esp1204/servlet/tc?cn=asbmr&c=10169&s=20343&e=6950&&
On Jun 13, 8:15 pm, Cyli <cyl...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:40:52 -0700, betaine_...@yahoo . com wrote:
> >The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
> >raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
> >so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
> >even the sun may send these levels too high.
>
> As I've read studies on Medscape showing that up to 400 times the RDA
> of vitamin D is harmless, I doubt that should be a worry. If it is,
> regular blood tests will show it.
> --
>
> r.bc: vixen
> Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
> Almost entirely harmless. Really.
>
> * w w w .visi . com /~cyli
You are misunderstanding the Medscape article.
What you don't understand is that the outside source/exogenous
rPTH over rides the safety controls of the body when it
come to activating 25 OH vitamin D into 1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D.
Sure in overwhelming majority of persons not on rPTH, huge
doses of vitamin D3 are pretty safe. But taking rPTH with supplemental
vitamin D is like taking cholecalcitriol aka 1,25 (OH)2 vitamin D.
In one of the recent article on Medscape under the title
"Down to the Bone: Issues in the Maintenance and Evaluation of
Bone Health' Dr. Heaney says 10 000 IU on D is safe but what he is
talking about is cholecalciferol. And he uses 1000 IU for
about everyone that walking in the clinic's door and 2000 IU after
three months of 1000 and a test of 25 OH vitamin D serum levels if
their level is still below 32 ng/dL (80 nmol/L).
There is a separate test for calcitriol serum levels which
bounces around quite alot especially in persons who've deficient/
depleted
in their 25 OH serum levels. Such persion have chronically elevated
PTH
levels as their endocrine system seeks to maintain calcium serum
levels.
PTH elevates the activation of calcifediol.
Also take a listen to this conference various sessions and skip the
first
session until last.
* app2.capitalreach . com /esp1204/servlet/tc?cn=asbmr&c=10169&s=20343&e=6950&&
On Jun 13, 8:15 pm, Cyli <cyl...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:40:52 -0700, betaine_...@yahoo . com wrote:
> >The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
> >raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
> >so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
> >even the sun may send these levels too high.
>
> As I've read studies on Medscape showing that up to 400 times the RDA
> of vitamin D is harmless, I doubt that should be a worry. If it is,
> regular blood tests will show it.
> --
>
> r.bc: vixen
> Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
> Almost entirely harmless. Really.
>
> * w w w .visi . com /~cyli
Re: Question about bone density
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:15:46 -0500, Cyli <cylise@gmail . com > wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:40:52 -0700, betaine_hcl@yahoo . com wrote:
>
>>The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
>>raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
>>so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
>>even the sun may send these levels too high.
>
>As I've read studies on Medscape showing that up to 400 times the RDA
>of vitamin D is harmless, I doubt that should be a worry. If it is,
>regular blood tests will show it.
I decided to try the Forteo. Thanks to everyone who replied for all
the info which I will save. I actually forgot I had posted this
message, having been so upset and confused the past few days. I've
always been in perfect health and now find that I have the bones of a
very old man at 47. I believe I brought this upon myself over the last
two years of living an extremely unhealthy lifestyle due to
depression, unwittingly doing everything I could to give myself
osteoporosis (barely moving, no sunlight, heavy smoking, and getting
most of my calories from protein [bars]), the evidence being that I've
also shrunk 2 inches in that time. Anyway, thanks again.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:15:46 -0500, Cyli <cylise@gmail . com > wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:40:52 -0700, betaine_hcl@yahoo . com wrote:
>
>>The one thing I'll add is that the rPTH analog Forteo will
>>raise your level of activated vitamin D (1, 25 (OH)2 vitamin D) levels
>>so higher levels of vitamin D from supplementatioon or
>>even the sun may send these levels too high.
>
>As I've read studies on Medscape showing that up to 400 times the RDA
>of vitamin D is harmless, I doubt that should be a worry. If it is,
>regular blood tests will show it.
I decided to try the Forteo. Thanks to everyone who replied for all
the info which I will save. I actually forgot I had posted this
message, having been so upset and confused the past few days. I've
always been in perfect health and now find that I have the bones of a
very old man at 47. I believe I brought this upon myself over the last
two years of living an extremely unhealthy lifestyle due to
depression, unwittingly doing everything I could to give myself
osteoporosis (barely moving, no sunlight, heavy smoking, and getting
most of my calories from protein [bars]), the evidence being that I've
also shrunk 2 inches in that time. Anyway, thanks again.
