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Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
Cyli wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:16:08 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
> wrote:
>> Cyli wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:25:45 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also
>>>> suspect that your dose of magnesium is too high.
>>>
>>> I gather that too much magnesium is easy to notice. It involves too
>>> many or too sudden and / or messy trips to the bathroom.
>>
>> An excerpt:
>>
>> "Toxicity
>>
>> Adverse effects have not been identified from magnesium occurring
>> naturally in food. However, adverse effects from excess magnesium
>> have been observed with intakes of various magnesium salts
>> (supplemental magnesium). The initial symptom of excess magnesium
>> supplementation is diarrhea-
>
> Uh huh. I thought I said that, albeit in smaller words.
No, I think that you missed my point. Initial symptoms are not the same as
long term effects which were mentioned later (in the section you skipped).
> And people who know they have impaired kidney function should be
> checking with their doctors before they take any supplements and
> should keep the doctor up to date on their general dietary habits.
>
> Or were you just trying to add to my point, rather than trying to
> invalidate it?
I felt that you overlooked the possible risks of high doses. That is why I
quoted that site.
--
Juhana
Cyli wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:16:08 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
> wrote:
>> Cyli wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:25:45 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also
>>>> suspect that your dose of magnesium is too high.
>>>
>>> I gather that too much magnesium is easy to notice. It involves too
>>> many or too sudden and / or messy trips to the bathroom.
>>
>> An excerpt:
>>
>> "Toxicity
>>
>> Adverse effects have not been identified from magnesium occurring
>> naturally in food. However, adverse effects from excess magnesium
>> have been observed with intakes of various magnesium salts
>> (supplemental magnesium). The initial symptom of excess magnesium
>> supplementation is diarrhea-
>
> Uh huh. I thought I said that, albeit in smaller words.
No, I think that you missed my point. Initial symptoms are not the same as
long term effects which were mentioned later (in the section you skipped).
> And people who know they have impaired kidney function should be
> checking with their doctors before they take any supplements and
> should keep the doctor up to date on their general dietary habits.
>
> Or were you just trying to add to my point, rather than trying to
> invalidate it?
I felt that you overlooked the possible risks of high doses. That is why I
quoted that site.
--
Juhana
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:47:54 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
wrote:
>Cyli wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:16:08 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
>> wrote:
>>> Cyli wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:25:45 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also
>>>>> suspect that your dose of magnesium is too high.
>>>>
>>>> I gather that too much magnesium is easy to notice. It involves too
>>>> many or too sudden and / or messy trips to the bathroom.
>>>
>>> An excerpt:
>>>
>>> "Toxicity
>>>
>>> Adverse effects have not been identified from magnesium occurring
>>> naturally in food. However, adverse effects from excess magnesium
>>> have been observed with intakes of various magnesium salts
>>> (supplemental magnesium). The initial symptom of excess magnesium
>>> supplementation is diarrhea-
>>
>> Uh huh. I thought I said that, albeit in smaller words.
>
>No, I think that you missed my point. Initial symptoms are not the same as
>long term effects which were mentioned later (in the section you skipped).
No, I didn't skip it. I just didn't quote it.
>
>> And people who know they have impaired kidney function should be
>> checking with their doctors before they take any supplements and
>> should keep the doctor up to date on their general dietary habits.
>>
>> Or were you just trying to add to my point, rather than trying to
>> invalidate it?
>
>I felt that you overlooked the possible risks of high doses. That is why I
>quoted that site.
High doses of almost anything are risky. I suppose I shouldn't assume
that the general public has a clue on that, but they've been told
often enough.
You start small, unless advised by a proper / trusted medical
authority to start larger, and work your way up. In the case of
magnesium, except for the kidney problem folks you mentioned, you will
know when to stop unless you like diarrhea.
It's not like Vitamin A, which can build up until one day you're in
serious trouble.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
http :// www .visi,com /~cyli
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:47:54 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
wrote:
>Cyli wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:16:08 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
>> wrote:
>>> Cyli wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:25:45 +0300, "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also
>>>>> suspect that your dose of magnesium is too high.
>>>>
>>>> I gather that too much magnesium is easy to notice. It involves too
>>>> many or too sudden and / or messy trips to the bathroom.
>>>
>>> An excerpt:
>>>
>>> "Toxicity
>>>
>>> Adverse effects have not been identified from magnesium occurring
>>> naturally in food. However, adverse effects from excess magnesium
>>> have been observed with intakes of various magnesium salts
>>> (supplemental magnesium). The initial symptom of excess magnesium
>>> supplementation is diarrhea-
>>
>> Uh huh. I thought I said that, albeit in smaller words.
>
>No, I think that you missed my point. Initial symptoms are not the same as
>long term effects which were mentioned later (in the section you skipped).
No, I didn't skip it. I just didn't quote it.
>
>> And people who know they have impaired kidney function should be
>> checking with their doctors before they take any supplements and
>> should keep the doctor up to date on their general dietary habits.
>>
>> Or were you just trying to add to my point, rather than trying to
>> invalidate it?
>
>I felt that you overlooked the possible risks of high doses. That is why I
>quoted that site.
High doses of almost anything are risky. I suppose I shouldn't assume
that the general public has a clue on that, but they've been told
often enough.
You start small, unless advised by a proper / trusted medical
authority to start larger, and work your way up. In the case of
magnesium, except for the kidney problem folks you mentioned, you will
know when to stop unless you like diarrhea.
It's not like Vitamin A, which can build up until one day you're in
serious trouble.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
http :// www .visi,com /~cyli
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
So many people have offered you good suggestions, comments. I would
just like to add/reinforce a couple:
Vitamin D - as we age, we can convert less Vit D from sunlight. It is
one reason why supplements are usually given and amts increased as we
age
Re: exercise. You do not want to lift weights but there are a number
of ways to do 'weight bearing' exercises at home that do not include
weights eg. wall push offs etc. Your physician can probably prescribe
a short series of PT (if you have medical insurance) and you could ask
just for things you can do at home that would not involve weight
lifting.
Just got a letter from a 72 year old man in NC who has reversed his
documented bone loss.
He gave dexa scan results for before and after, a list of what he had
done etc and submitted it for posting on the web site. It is too long
to post here, in part because he included test results and was
specific about what he did.. If you want to read it, it is the
second success story listed at: http :// www .osteopenia3,com /OsteopeniaSuccess.html
Kate
You can reverse bone loss
www .osteopenia3,com
So many people have offered you good suggestions, comments. I would
just like to add/reinforce a couple:
Vitamin D - as we age, we can convert less Vit D from sunlight. It is
one reason why supplements are usually given and amts increased as we
age
Re: exercise. You do not want to lift weights but there are a number
of ways to do 'weight bearing' exercises at home that do not include
weights eg. wall push offs etc. Your physician can probably prescribe
a short series of PT (if you have medical insurance) and you could ask
just for things you can do at home that would not involve weight
lifting.
Just got a letter from a 72 year old man in NC who has reversed his
documented bone loss.
He gave dexa scan results for before and after, a list of what he had
done etc and submitted it for posting on the web site. It is too long
to post here, in part because he included test results and was
specific about what he did.. If you want to read it, it is the
second success story listed at: http :// www .osteopenia3,com /OsteopeniaSuccess.html
Kate
You can reverse bone loss
www .osteopenia3,com
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
"klibros" <klibros10@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:1184248044.092298.289260@22g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
> Re: exercise. You do not want to lift weights but there are a number
> of ways to do 'weight bearing' exercises at home that do not include
> weights eg. wall push offs etc.
Aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!
The original poster hasn't posted any reasons he can't lift weights:
He hasn't posted a DEXA score showing severe Osteoporosis.
He hasn't posted that he had an unexplained fracture or broken bone.
He may not even have Osteopenia - he hasn't seen the DEXA results
yet.
He can't do as much as when he was 20. Or even as much as he could
have done if he had started when he was 50. His muscles won't grow
as quickly now as they would have then. And they won't recover as
quickly now as they would have then. And the same for his bones and
joints. That doesn't mean that he can't lift weights. It means that he
needs to be more careful about it now then he would have then.
He may have issues that preclude him from doing some exercises, but
he hasn't said anything to indicate that there are any.
Bones don't have eyes. They can't tell if the stress came from doing a
squat, doing a leg press, or taking a step while walking. They can't
tell if the stress came from doing a "wall push-off", a push up, or a
bench press. The only relevant factors is how much stress was there.
Not enough to cause a change? Too much? The right amount? The
same with muscles.
If you REALLY want to protect him from breaking his bones, why
don't you suggest that he pay for a care taker and stay in bed 24x7?
He'll develop Osteoporosis because his bones won't be supporting
much weight but he won't be getting any broken bones!
Sorry for the rant, but I am sick and tired of people who say "X
is too old and decrepit to lift weights, so anybody with Osteoporosis
or Osteopenia (of any age and in any state of health) can't lift weights
either" and then proceeds to tell someone "you can't lift weights".
People are different. Some people with Osteoporosis can lift weights.
Some can't (or can only lift very light weights). But don't go around
telling everybody with Osteoporosis/Osteopenia "don't lift weights".
If I had listened to advice like yours, I would still have Osteopenia.
Or maybe it would have progressed to Osteoporosis by now. Fortunately,
nobody told me not to. Instead, I was encouraged to lift weights.
Art
"klibros" <klibros10@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:1184248044.092298.289260@22g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
> Re: exercise. You do not want to lift weights but there are a number
> of ways to do 'weight bearing' exercises at home that do not include
> weights eg. wall push offs etc.
Aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!
The original poster hasn't posted any reasons he can't lift weights:
He hasn't posted a DEXA score showing severe Osteoporosis.
He hasn't posted that he had an unexplained fracture or broken bone.
He may not even have Osteopenia - he hasn't seen the DEXA results
yet.
He can't do as much as when he was 20. Or even as much as he could
have done if he had started when he was 50. His muscles won't grow
as quickly now as they would have then. And they won't recover as
quickly now as they would have then. And the same for his bones and
joints. That doesn't mean that he can't lift weights. It means that he
needs to be more careful about it now then he would have then.
He may have issues that preclude him from doing some exercises, but
he hasn't said anything to indicate that there are any.
Bones don't have eyes. They can't tell if the stress came from doing a
squat, doing a leg press, or taking a step while walking. They can't
tell if the stress came from doing a "wall push-off", a push up, or a
bench press. The only relevant factors is how much stress was there.
Not enough to cause a change? Too much? The right amount? The
same with muscles.
If you REALLY want to protect him from breaking his bones, why
don't you suggest that he pay for a care taker and stay in bed 24x7?
He'll develop Osteoporosis because his bones won't be supporting
much weight but he won't be getting any broken bones!
Sorry for the rant, but I am sick and tired of people who say "X
is too old and decrepit to lift weights, so anybody with Osteoporosis
or Osteopenia (of any age and in any state of health) can't lift weights
either" and then proceeds to tell someone "you can't lift weights".
People are different. Some people with Osteoporosis can lift weights.
Some can't (or can only lift very light weights). But don't go around
telling everybody with Osteoporosis/Osteopenia "don't lift weights".
If I had listened to advice like yours, I would still have Osteopenia.
Or maybe it would have progressed to Osteoporosis by now. Fortunately,
nobody told me not to. Instead, I was encouraged to lift weights.
Art
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 12, 11:40 am, "Art S" <thedabble...@earthlink,net > wrote:
> "klibros" <klibro...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1184248044.092298.289260@22g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > Re: exercise. You do not want to lift weights but there are a number
> > of ways to do 'weight bearing' exercises at home that do not include
> > weights eg. wall push offs etc.
>
> Aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!
>
> The original poster hasn't posted any reasons he can't lift weights:
> He hasn't posted a DEXA score showing severe Osteoporosis.
> He hasn't posted that he had an unexplained fracture or broken bone.
> He may not even have Osteopenia - he hasn't seen the DEXA results
> yet.
>
> He can't do as much as when he was 20. Or even as much as he could
> have done if he had started when he was 50. His muscles won't grow
> as quickly now as they would have then. And they won't recover as
> quickly now as they would have then. And the same for his bones and
> joints. That doesn't mean that he can't lift weights. It means that he
> needs to be more careful about it now then he would have then.
>
> He may have issues that preclude him from doing some exercises, but
> he hasn't said anything to indicate that there are any.
>
> Bones don't have eyes. They can't tell if the stress came from doing a
> squat, doing a leg press, or taking a step while walking. They can't
> tell if the stress came from doing a "wall push-off", a push up, or a
> bench press. The only relevant factors is how much stress was there.
> Not enough to cause a change? Too much? The right amount? The
> same with muscles.
>
> If you REALLY want to protect him from breaking his bones, why
> don't you suggest that he pay for a care taker and stay in bed 24x7?
> He'll develop Osteoporosis because his bones won't be supporting
> much weight but he won't be getting any broken bones!
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I am sick and tired of people who say "X
> is too old and decrepit to lift weights, so anybody with Osteoporosis
> or Osteopenia (of any age and in any state of health) can't lift weights
> either" and then proceeds to tell someone "you can't lift weights".
>
> People are different. Some people with Osteoporosis can lift weights.
> Some can't (or can only lift very light weights). But don't go around
> telling everybody with Osteoporosis/Osteopenia "don't lift weights".
>
> If I had listened to advice like yours, I would still have Osteopenia.
> Or maybe it would have progressed to Osteoporosis by now. Fortunately,
> nobody told me not to. Instead, I was encouraged to lift weights.
>
> Art
I've been working out for the most part of 50yrs. My workout includes
a stint on a stationary bike, followed by a backstretching squat
followed by 85 pushups (recently suspended due to a rotator cuff rip),
followed by 25 minutes on the NordicTrack (since 1987), some yoga and
crunches. I walk up the stairs at work (4th floor) and occassinally
sail a boat and ride an M'cycle. After next week I will be in a cast
for 2 months (r cuff repair). I think the only bone I ever broke was
in my pinkie finger(volleyball). I have weights but haven't used them
in years. I have yet to discuss the bone scan with my physician.
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
On Jul 12, 11:40 am, "Art S" <thedabble...@earthlink,net > wrote:
> "klibros" <klibro...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1184248044.092298.289260@22g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > Re: exercise. You do not want to lift weights but there are a number
> > of ways to do 'weight bearing' exercises at home that do not include
> > weights eg. wall push offs etc.
>
> Aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!
>
> The original poster hasn't posted any reasons he can't lift weights:
> He hasn't posted a DEXA score showing severe Osteoporosis.
> He hasn't posted that he had an unexplained fracture or broken bone.
> He may not even have Osteopenia - he hasn't seen the DEXA results
> yet.
>
> He can't do as much as when he was 20. Or even as much as he could
> have done if he had started when he was 50. His muscles won't grow
> as quickly now as they would have then. And they won't recover as
> quickly now as they would have then. And the same for his bones and
> joints. That doesn't mean that he can't lift weights. It means that he
> needs to be more careful about it now then he would have then.
>
> He may have issues that preclude him from doing some exercises, but
> he hasn't said anything to indicate that there are any.
>
> Bones don't have eyes. They can't tell if the stress came from doing a
> squat, doing a leg press, or taking a step while walking. They can't
> tell if the stress came from doing a "wall push-off", a push up, or a
> bench press. The only relevant factors is how much stress was there.
> Not enough to cause a change? Too much? The right amount? The
> same with muscles.
>
> If you REALLY want to protect him from breaking his bones, why
> don't you suggest that he pay for a care taker and stay in bed 24x7?
> He'll develop Osteoporosis because his bones won't be supporting
> much weight but he won't be getting any broken bones!
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I am sick and tired of people who say "X
> is too old and decrepit to lift weights, so anybody with Osteoporosis
> or Osteopenia (of any age and in any state of health) can't lift weights
> either" and then proceeds to tell someone "you can't lift weights".
>
> People are different. Some people with Osteoporosis can lift weights.
> Some can't (or can only lift very light weights). But don't go around
> telling everybody with Osteoporosis/Osteopenia "don't lift weights".
>
> If I had listened to advice like yours, I would still have Osteopenia.
> Or maybe it would have progressed to Osteoporosis by now. Fortunately,
> nobody told me not to. Instead, I was encouraged to lift weights.
>
> Art
I've been working out for the most part of 50yrs. My workout includes
a stint on a stationary bike, followed by a backstretching squat
followed by 85 pushups (recently suspended due to a rotator cuff rip),
followed by 25 minutes on the NordicTrack (since 1987), some yoga and
crunches. I walk up the stairs at work (4th floor) and occassinally
sail a boat and ride an M'cycle. After next week I will be in a cast
for 2 months (r cuff repair). I think the only bone I ever broke was
in my pinkie finger(volleyball). I have weights but haven't used them
in years. I have yet to discuss the bone scan with my physician.
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 12, 6:47 am, klibros <klibro...@yahoo,com > wrote:
...
> Just got a letter from a 72 year old man in NC who has reversed his
> documented bone loss.
>
> He gave dexa scan results for before and after, a list of what he had
> done etc and submitted it for posting on the web site. It is too long
> to post here, in part because he included test results and was
> specific about what he did.. If you want to read it, it is the
> second success story listed at:
> http :// www .osteopenia3,com /OsteopeniaSuccess.html
>
> Kate
There's no mention of how long he has been taking strontium.
Unless he was taking the same dosage for the entire
before/after period, the strontium could be really skewing the
scores of his BMD "improvement". One of the strontium
renelate studies found that after two years there was an
improvement in spine BMD of 14% unadjusted, 5.5% adjusted;
a difference between the unajusted and adjusted of 8.5%.
This man's spine BMD "improved" 7.4%, so (if the current
result needs to be adjusted) any improvement might be much
less (or even possibly none at all).
--Bruce
On Jul 12, 6:47 am, klibros <klibro...@yahoo,com > wrote:
...
> Just got a letter from a 72 year old man in NC who has reversed his
> documented bone loss.
>
> He gave dexa scan results for before and after, a list of what he had
> done etc and submitted it for posting on the web site. It is too long
> to post here, in part because he included test results and was
> specific about what he did.. If you want to read it, it is the
> second success story listed at:
> http :// www .osteopenia3,com /OsteopeniaSuccess.html
>
> Kate
There's no mention of how long he has been taking strontium.
Unless he was taking the same dosage for the entire
before/after period, the strontium could be really skewing the
scores of his BMD "improvement". One of the strontium
renelate studies found that after two years there was an
improvement in spine BMD of 14% unadjusted, 5.5% adjusted;
a difference between the unajusted and adjusted of 8.5%.
This man's spine BMD "improved" 7.4%, so (if the current
result needs to be adjusted) any improvement might be much
less (or even possibly none at all).
--Bruce
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
> I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>
> In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
> osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
> have been borderline.
> At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
> and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
> factors (genetics aside).
You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
vitamin
and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
condition.
--Bruce
On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
> I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>
> In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
> osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
> have been borderline.
> At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
> and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
> factors (genetics aside).
You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
vitamin
and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
condition.
--Bruce
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
PikaB wrote:
> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>> I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>>
>> In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
>> osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
>> have been borderline.
>> At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
>> and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
>> factors (genetics aside).
>
> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
> vitamin
> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
> condition.
I don't quite agree with you. First of all, bone mineral density can be
increased by medication. In addition, fracture risk can be reduced
significantly by proper diet and a good supplementation regimen. Especially
sufficient doses of vitamin D and vitamin K have been found to reduce
fracture risk.
--
Juhana
PikaB wrote:
> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>> I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>>
>> In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
>> osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
>> have been borderline.
>> At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
>> and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
>> factors (genetics aside).
>
> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
> vitamin
> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
> condition.
I don't quite agree with you. First of all, bone mineral density can be
increased by medication. In addition, fracture risk can be reduced
significantly by proper diet and a good supplementation regimen. Especially
sufficient doses of vitamin D and vitamin K have been found to reduce
fracture risk.
--
Juhana
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 9, 8:58 am, PikaB <b...@asu.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>
> > I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>
> > In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
> > osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
> > have been borderline.
> > At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
> > and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
> > factors (genetics aside).
>
> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
> vitamin
> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
> condition.
>
> --Bruce
5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
MRI.
On Jul 9, 8:58 am, PikaB <b...@asu.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>
> > I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>
> > In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
> > osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
> > have been borderline.
> > At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
> > and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
> > factors (genetics aside).
>
> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
> vitamin
> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
> condition.
>
> --Bruce
5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
MRI.
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
"finding z0" <jsk2@excite,com > wrote in message
news:1184013057.389681.189570@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jul 9, 8:58 am, PikaB <b...@asu.edu> wrote:
>> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>>
>> > I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>>
>> > In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
>> > osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
>> > have been borderline.
>> > At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
>> > and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
>> > factors (genetics aside).
>>
>> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
>> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
>> vitamin
>> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
>> condition.
>>
>> --Bruce
>
> 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> MRI.
>
When the doctor gets the results, have him/her make a copy of the results
for you. You don't want the one-page summary. You want something
that looks like this:
http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA5.html
If you want a heads-up on how to read the results, start at
http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA1.html
This may take some fighting: the first time I went to one
lab, they only printed a one-page summary (because I was
a new patient for them) and I needed to go back a few times
before they programmed it to print the more extensive
report. As I recall, I needed to point out to them (several
times) that if someone had Osteoporosis, the doctor
needed the more extensive report to come up with a
proper treatment.
Art
"finding z0" <jsk2@excite,com > wrote in message
news:1184013057.389681.189570@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jul 9, 8:58 am, PikaB <b...@asu.edu> wrote:
>> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>>
>> > I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>>
>> > In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
>> > osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
>> > have been borderline.
>> > At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
>> > and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
>> > factors (genetics aside).
>>
>> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
>> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
>> vitamin
>> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
>> condition.
>>
>> --Bruce
>
> 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> MRI.
>
When the doctor gets the results, have him/her make a copy of the results
for you. You don't want the one-page summary. You want something
that looks like this:
http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA5.html
If you want a heads-up on how to read the results, start at
http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA1.html
This may take some fighting: the first time I went to one
lab, they only printed a one-page summary (because I was
a new patient for them) and I needed to go back a few times
before they programmed it to print the more extensive
report. As I recall, I needed to point out to them (several
times) that if someone had Osteoporosis, the doctor
needed the more extensive report to come up with a
proper treatment.
Art
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 10, 12:58 am, "Art S" <thedabble...@earthlink,net > wrote:
> "finding z0" <j...@excite,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1184013057.389681.189570@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 8:58 am, PikaB <b...@asu.edu> wrote:
> >> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>
> >> > I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>
> >> > In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
> >> > osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
> >> > have been borderline.
> >> > At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
> >> > and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
> >> > factors (genetics aside).
>
> >> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
> >> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
> >> vitamin
> >> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
> >> condition.
>
> >> --Bruce
>
> > 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> > I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> > MRI.
>
> When the doctor gets the results, have him/her make a copy of the results
> for you. You don't want the one-page summary. You want something
> that looks like this: http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA5.html
>
> If you want a heads-up on how to read the results, start at http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA1.html
> This may take some fighting: the first time I went to one
> lab, they only printed a one-page summary (because I was
> a new patient for them) and I needed to go back a few times
> before they programmed it to print the more extensive
> report. As I recall, I needed to point out to them (several
> times) that if someone had Osteoporosis, the doctor
> needed the more extensive report to come up with a
> proper treatment.
>
> Art
Thank you for your help. All of you. Cheers, Julian
On Jul 10, 12:58 am, "Art S" <thedabble...@earthlink,net > wrote:
> "finding z0" <j...@excite,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1184013057.389681.189570@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 8:58 am, PikaB <b...@asu.edu> wrote:
> >> On Jul 8, 11:15 am, finding z0 <j...@excite,com > wrote:
>
> >> > I posted this to Sci.Med and was referred here...
>
> >> > In a recent X-ray for a shoulder problem, the orthopedist noticed
> >> > osteopenia/osteoprosis and for the last few years, my glucose tests
> >> > have been borderline.
> >> > At 63, this is the first time I've heard this
> >> > and I'm trying to fathom why, since I don' t meet most of the risk
> >> > factors (genetics aside).
>
> >> You don't mention your weight. In men over 55, the most consistent
> >> risk factor is low body weight. If your body weight is low, your
> >> vitamin
> >> and mineral intake will probably have little effect on reversing the
> >> condition.
>
> >> --Bruce
>
> > 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> > I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> > MRI.
>
> When the doctor gets the results, have him/her make a copy of the results
> for you. You don't want the one-page summary. You want something
> that looks like this: http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA5.html
>
> If you want a heads-up on how to read the results, start at http :// courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opDEXA1.html
> This may take some fighting: the first time I went to one
> lab, they only printed a one-page summary (because I was
> a new patient for them) and I needed to go back a few times
> before they programmed it to print the more extensive
> report. As I recall, I needed to point out to them (several
> times) that if someone had Osteoporosis, the doctor
> needed the more extensive report to come up with a
> proper treatment.
>
> Art
Thank you for your help. All of you. Cheers, Julian
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
"finding z0" <jsk2@excite,com > wrote in message >> and mineral intake will
probably have little effect on reversing the
> 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> MRI.
>
Have you ever seen or undergone tests using these 2 "machines"?
If so, all else not being considered, I think you need to have your head
examined as the 2 "machines" and procedures don't bear even the slightest
resemblance to one another.
"finding z0" <jsk2@excite,com > wrote in message >> and mineral intake will
probably have little effect on reversing the
> 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> MRI.
>
Have you ever seen or undergone tests using these 2 "machines"?
If so, all else not being considered, I think you need to have your head
examined as the 2 "machines" and procedures don't bear even the slightest
resemblance to one another.
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 11, 2:03 pm, "Norman M. Schwartz" <n...@optonline,net > wrote:
> "finding z0" <j...@excite,com > wrote in message >> and mineral intake will
>
> probably have little effect on reversing the
>
> > 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> > I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> > MRI.
>
> Have you ever seen or undergone tests using these 2 "machines"?
> If so, all else not being considered, I think you need to have your head
> examined as the 2 "machines" and procedures don't bear even the slightest
> resemblance to one another.
"....,it is better to keep his mouth closed and be thought a fool than
to open his mouth and confirm it."
On Jul 11, 2:03 pm, "Norman M. Schwartz" <n...@optonline,net > wrote:
> "finding z0" <j...@excite,com > wrote in message >> and mineral intake will
>
> probably have little effect on reversing the
>
> > 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> > I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> > MRI.
>
> Have you ever seen or undergone tests using these 2 "machines"?
> If so, all else not being considered, I think you need to have your head
> examined as the 2 "machines" and procedures don't bear even the slightest
> resemblance to one another.
"....,it is better to keep his mouth closed and be thought a fool than
to open his mouth and confirm it."
Re: Fact gathering about osteoporosis in older men (e.g., me)
On Jul 11, 2:03 pm, "Norman M. Schwartz" <n...@optonline,net > wrote:
> "finding z0" <j...@excite,com > wrote in message >> and mineral intake will
>
> probably have little effect on reversing the
>
> > 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> > I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> > MRI.
>
> Have you ever seen or undergone tests using these 2 "machines"?
> If so, all else not being considered, I think you need to have your head
> examined as the 2 "machines" and procedures don't bear even the slightest
> resemblance to one another.
"It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth ( or
type), and remove all doubt"
On Jul 11, 2:03 pm, "Norman M. Schwartz" <n...@optonline,net > wrote:
> "finding z0" <j...@excite,com > wrote in message >> and mineral intake will
>
> probably have little effect on reversing the
>
> > 5' 10" 160-165 lbs.
> > I said MRI, but I had a bone scan in a machine that reminded me of an
> > MRI.
>
> Have you ever seen or undergone tests using these 2 "machines"?
> If so, all else not being considered, I think you need to have your head
> examined as the 2 "machines" and procedures don't bear even the slightest
> resemblance to one another.
"It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth ( or
type), and remove all doubt"
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