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Concrete curb repair

Reply from: Bob
Date: 08 May 2008, 02:44
Concrete curb repair

On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
each about 20 inches long.

The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long. The
3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle)
and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.

Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
from the spots they go in.

Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from the
budget).


Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.

However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well to
hold the sections together.

Thank you very much,

Bob



Reply from: gfretwell@aol . com
Date: 08 May 2008, 05:05
Re: Concrete curb repair

On Wed, 7 May 2008 17:44:39 -0700, "Bob" <brinker@spiritone . com >
wrote:

>On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
>each about 20 inches long.
>
>The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long. The
>3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle)
>and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.
>
>Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
>from the spots they go in.
>
>Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from the
>budget).
>
>
>Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
>would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
>sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>
>However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well to
>hold the sections together.
>
>Thank you very much,
>
>Bob
>


The most effective way is to cut it out, build up a good foundation of
gravel and repour them, like the city used to do. If you are just
trying to stick them back together, epoxy and doweling with #3 or #4
rebar may be the best solution but it is a lot of work for a sloppy
fix of 5' of curb.

Reply from: evodawg
Date: 08 May 2008, 05:08
Re: Concrete curb repair

Bob wrote:

> On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
> each about 20 inches long.
>
> The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long.
> The 3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw
> puzzle) and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.
>
> Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
> from the spots they go in.
>
> Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from
> the budget).
>
>
> Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
> would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
> sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>
> However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well
> to hold the sections together.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Bob
Your city doesn't maintain its curb and gutter? WOW Sounds like a liability
problem, wonder when the first lawsuit will be filed against the city.
Replacing curb and gutter is not that easy specially if asphalt is
involved. Your solution will not work, first major rain storm will erode
you temp. fix. You need to take that section of curb out and probably some
of the road surface to get it formed. Then replace asphalt. This is not a
homeowner type fix. Your city has morons sitting on its council.

If I were you I would trip over the broken curb and sue the shit out of your
city. Bet they would fix it then.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

Reply from: aemeijers
Date: 08 May 2008, 06:00
Re: Concrete curb repair

evodawg wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
>> On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
>> each about 20 inches long.
>>
>> The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long.
>> The 3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw
>> puzzle) and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.
>>
>> Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
>> from the spots they go in.
>>
>> Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from
>> the budget).
>>
>>
>> Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
>> would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
>> sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>>
>> However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well
>> to hold the sections together.
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>>
>> Bob
> Your city doesn't maintain its curb and gutter? WOW Sounds like a liability
> problem, wonder when the first lawsuit will be filed against the city.
> Replacing curb and gutter is not that easy specially if asphalt is
> involved. Your solution will not work, first major rain storm will erode
> you temp. fix. You need to take that section of curb out and probably some
> of the road surface to get it formed. Then replace asphalt. This is not a
> homeowner type fix. Your city has morons sitting on its council.
>
> If I were you I would trip over the broken curb and sue the shit out of your
> city. Bet they would fix it then.

In all odds, the <city> didn't build the curb, or do any replacement of
sections. It was probably one of the local concrete flatwork companies,
under contract. City crews might do the digging, but setting up the
forms and doing the pour is skilled labor. Some profiles of curbing are
actually slip-formed, sometimes by a machine. Cities can go years
without needing any new curbs- doesn't make sense to have all that just
sitting in the barn.

If it bothers you enough to pay for it, I'm sure a few phone calls will
find whoever locally has the forms and concrete finishers to do the job.
Note that city will have to give permission- they either own the land
the curb is on, or have an right-of-way easement from you that the
street sits on. This will not be a new type of request for them- people
with commercial frontage often spring for new curbs and pretty driveway
aprons, rather the the crude curb cuts they would get from the city, or
replace city-owned sidewalks in front of their stores if they are too
nasty looking.

But no, like the others said, there is no practical (or cheap) means of
repair- when a section fails, remove and replace is the indicated cure.
From your description, it does sound like there is some sort of washout
under there, from a big chuckhole, failed drain, or whatever. The new
curb sections will need a good substrate, or they will quickly fail as
well. If street has never been resurfaced, they may be able to get away
without cutting back the asphalt, as long as they don't find any voids
that extend under there.

--
aem sends...

Reply from: evodawg
Date: 08 May 2008, 15:43
Re: Concrete curb repair

aemeijers wrote:


>> Your city doesn't maintain its curb and gutter? WOW Sounds like a
>> liability problem, wonder when the first lawsuit will be filed against
>> the city. Replacing curb and gutter is not that easy specially if asphalt
>> is involved. Your solution will not work, first major rain storm will
>> erode you temp. fix. You need to take that section of curb out and
>> probably some of the road surface to get it formed. Then replace asphalt.
>> This is not a homeowner type fix. Your city has morons sitting on its
>> council.
>>
>> If I were you I would trip over the broken curb and sue the shit out of
>> your city. Bet they would fix it then.
>
> In all odds, the <city> didn't build the curb, or do any replacement of
> sections. It was probably one of the local concrete flatwork companies,
> under contract. City crews might do the digging, but setting up the
> forms and doing the pour is skilled labor. Some profiles of curbing are
> actually slip-formed, sometimes by a machine. Cities can go years
> without needing any new curbs- doesn't make sense to have all that just
> sitting in the barn.

In my city and most in California the developer installs curb and gutter and
sidewalks. When the project is sold out and before the second lift of
asphalt is placed the city goes through and marks out the damaged areas for
replacement. Contractor comes through and breaks out the damaged areas, re
pours them, (city approves or finals curb and gutter and sidewalks)strip of
asphalt is replace, and final lift of asphalt is laid. City buys off on
project and owns them. If tree roots damage sidewalks or curb, city
replaces them or contracts them out for replacement. Even if a sidewalk
lifts due to tree roots or compaction problems they get replaced. City is
liable. Also at all intersections wheel chair ramps must be installed on
all corners.



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Reply from: Greg M
Date: 08 May 2008, 23:25
Re: Concrete curb repair

evodawg wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
>> On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
>> each about 20 inches long.
>>
>> The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long.
>> The 3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw
>> puzzle) and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.
>>
>> Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
>> from the spots they go in.
>>
>> Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from
>> the budget).
>>
>>
>> Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
>> would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
>> sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>>
>> However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well
>> to hold the sections together.
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>>
>> Bob
> Your city doesn't maintain its curb and gutter? WOW Sounds like a liability
> problem, wonder when the first lawsuit will be filed against the city.
> Replacing curb and gutter is not that easy specially if asphalt is
> involved. Your solution will not work, first major rain storm will erode
> you temp. fix. You need to take that section of curb out and probably some
> of the road surface to get it formed. Then replace asphalt. This is not a
> homeowner type fix. Your city has morons sitting on its council.
>
> If I were you I would trip over the broken curb and sue the shit out of your
> city. Bet they would fix it then.

I don't know where you live, but a lot of local municipalities have
trouble funding essential services like police and fire departments, let
alone curb repair.

Greg M

Reply from: Phisherman
Date: 08 May 2008, 13:21
Re: Concrete curb repair

On Wed, 7 May 2008 17:44:39 -0700, "Bob" <brinker@spiritone . com >
wrote:

>On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
>each about 20 inches long.
>
>The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long. The
>3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle)
>and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.
>
>Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
>from the spots they go in.
>
>Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from the
>budget).
>
>
>Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
>would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
>sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>
>However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well to
>hold the sections together.
>
>Thank you very much,
>
>Bob
>


I have over 300 feet of broken curb. When my house was constructed
the heavy construction equipment broke up the curb. Someday the city
will charge me to fix it, and it won't be inexpensive. In your case
you might get by with Quikcret concrete patch.

Reply from: Frank
Date: 08 May 2008, 14:37
Re: Concrete curb repair


"Bob" <brinker@spiritone . com > wrote in message
news:fvtidl02oh0@enews1.newsguy . com ...
> On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbing,
> each about 20 inches long.
>
> The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long.
> The 3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw
> puzzle) and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc.
>
> Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces and
> from the spots they go in.
>
> Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from
> the budget).
>
>
> Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing this
> would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
> sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>
> However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as well
> to hold the sections together.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Bob
>

I have the same problem. Patching it is just a temporary fix as the old
concrete sections moves independent of each other (side-to-side and
up-and-down) which results in cracks in the new patch/repair after a few
months or within a year or two. Today I'm going jack hammer the broken
sections out, level out the subbase and tomorrow compact with plate vibrator
and pour a new section with rebars. I'm recycling the old concrete for
another project as the dump fees are ridiculous here.



Reply from: hallerb@aol . com
Date: 08 May 2008, 15:15
Re: Concrete curb repair

On May 8, 8:37=EF=BF=BDam, " Frank" <norep...@nothome . net > wrote:
> "Bob" <brin...@spiritone . com > wrote in message
>
> news:fvtidl02oh0@enews1.newsguy . com ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On the street in front of my house there are 3 broken sections of curbin=
g,
> > each about 20 inches long.
>
> > The total opening where the sections should be is about 60 inches long.
> > The 3 broken sections fit together fairly well(like pieces in a jigsaw
> > puzzle) and I plan to put them back in place,cement them, level them.etc=
.
>
> > Some of the aggregate stone is missing on the underneath of the pieces a=
nd
> > from the spots they go in.
>
> > Our city used to do this, but no longer does so(that dept. was cut from
> > the budget).
>
> > Any tips on the most efficient and least costly way of accomplishing thi=
s
> > would be most appreciated. I am assuming that some combination of
> > sand/concrete/ and stone will be the answer.
>
> > However perhaps there is a patching material that would work just as wel=
l
> > to hold the sections together.
>
> > Thank you very much,
>
> > Bob
>
> I have the same problem. Patching it is just a temporary fix as the old
> concrete sections moves independent of each other (side-to-side and
> up-and-down) which results in cracks in the new patch/repair after a few
> months or within a year or two. Today I'm going jack hammer the broken
> sections out, level out the subbase and tomorrow compact with plate vibrat=
or
> and pour a new section with rebars. I'm recycling the old concrete for
> another project as the dump fees are ridiculous here.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yep and the first time a vehicles tire hits the curb it will break
again:( instantly:(:(




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