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insulating basement condo
Finishing the basement of a condo. I intend to insulate the outside
walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
Thanks
Sid.
Finishing the basement of a condo. I intend to insulate the outside
walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
Thanks
Sid.
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 8:37 am, sid <sidwe...@alexian . net > wrote:
> Finishing the basement of a condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
> units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sid.
How will you insulate outside and how well, concrete is a poor
insulator , insulating both sides is best, with foamboard.
On May 8, 8:37 am, sid <sidwe...@alexian . net > wrote:
> Finishing the basement of a condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
> units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sid.
How will you insulate outside and how well, concrete is a poor
insulator , insulating both sides is best, with foamboard.
Re: insulating basement condo
on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:
> Finishing the basement of a condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
> units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sid.
>
The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetrock.
The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
between 62-75º F.
I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
the summer, since cool air flows downward.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:
> Finishing the basement of a condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
> units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sid.
>
The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetrock.
The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
between 62-75º F.
I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
the summer, since cool air flows downward.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 9:05 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr . com > wrote:
> on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:> Finishing the basement of a c=
ondo. I intend to insulate the outside
> > walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
> > units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Sid.
>
> The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
> I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetrock.=
> The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
> between 62-75º F.
> I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
> supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
> the summer, since cool air flows downward.
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.
On May 8, 9:05 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr . com > wrote:
> on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:> Finishing the basement of a c=
ondo. I intend to insulate the outside
> > walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between
> > units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Sid.
>
> The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
> I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetrock.=
> The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
> between 62-75º F.
> I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
> supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
> the summer, since cool air flows downward.
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 10:15 am, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 8, 9:05 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:> Finishing the basement of a=
condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> > > walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between=
> > > units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > > Sid.
>
> > The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
> > I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetroc=
k.
> > The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
> > between 62-75º F.
> > I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
> > supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
> > the summer, since cool air flows downward.
>
> > --
>
> > Bill
> > In Hamptonburgh, NY
> > To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>
> Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Here's my take on answering the question. The value of insulating
something depends on the temp difference between the two areas. As
Ransley pointed out, depending on climate, the outside soil temp can
be quite low for at least a good part of an outside wall. On the
other hand, for a condo basement wall that is shared with another unit
on the other side, the potential temp difference will be less. A
finished basement that is heated on the other side, would have about
zero temp differential. An unheated one, maybe 15 degrees or so.
Even if it's a shared foundation wall with no basement on the other
side, the area towards the middle of that wall is going to have a lot
less temp differential than an outside wall when it's 10 degrees out.
So, it's clearly less important to insulate than the other walls.
However, if it were me, I'd probably just go ahead and do it anyway,
as over the years, even a small difference can add up.
On May 8, 10:15 am, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 8, 9:05 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:> Finishing the basement of a=
condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> > > walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between=
> > > units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > > Sid.
>
> > The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
> > I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetroc=
k.
> > The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
> > between 62-75º F.
> > I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
> > supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
> > the summer, since cool air flows downward.
>
> > --
>
> > Bill
> > In Hamptonburgh, NY
> > To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>
> Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Here's my take on answering the question. The value of insulating
something depends on the temp difference between the two areas. As
Ransley pointed out, depending on climate, the outside soil temp can
be quite low for at least a good part of an outside wall. On the
other hand, for a condo basement wall that is shared with another unit
on the other side, the potential temp difference will be less. A
finished basement that is heated on the other side, would have about
zero temp differential. An unheated one, maybe 15 degrees or so.
Even if it's a shared foundation wall with no basement on the other
side, the area towards the middle of that wall is going to have a lot
less temp differential than an outside wall when it's 10 degrees out.
So, it's clearly less important to insulate than the other walls.
However, if it were me, I'd probably just go ahead and do it anyway,
as over the years, even a small difference can add up.
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 9:15 am, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 8, 9:05 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:> Finishing the basement of a=
condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> > > walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between=
> > > units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > > Sid.
>
> > The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
> > I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetroc=
k.
> > The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
> > between 62-75º F.
> > I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
> > supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
> > the summer, since cool air flows downward.
>
> > --
>
> > Bill
> > In Hamptonburgh, NY
> > To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>
> Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I insulated the outside wall with 1" foam board. My thought is that my
neighbors side of the common wall is heated to at least 60-65F. Do I
really need a lot of insulation on common walls, even if they are
poured ?
On May 8, 9:15 am, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 8, 9:05 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 5/8/2008 9:37 AM sid said the following:> Finishing the basement of a=
condo. I intend to insulate the outside
> > > walls, but do I need to insulate the inside walls ? (the walls between=
> > > units), they are not cinder-block, they are poured.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > > Sid.
>
> > The outside of the basement is already insulated, with dirt.
> > I insulated my poured basement walls with studs, insulation and sheetroc=
k.
> > The average year round temps down here, without any heat supply, is
> > between 62-75º F.
> > I do have the oil boiler and propane water heater down here, which
> > supplies a little heat in the winter, and the house AC helps cool it in
> > the summer, since cool air flows downward.
>
> > --
>
> > Bill
> > In Hamptonburgh, NY
> > To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>
> Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I insulated the outside wall with 1" foam board. My thought is that my
neighbors side of the common wall is heated to at least 60-65F. Do I
really need a lot of insulation on common walls, even if they are
poured ?
Re: insulating basement condo
sid wrote:
>
> I insulated the outside wall with 1" foam board. My thought is that my
> neighbors side of the common wall is heated to at least 60-65F. Do I
> really need a lot of insulation on common walls, even if they are
> poured ?
If the temperature on both sides of the wall is the same, what's the purpose
of the insulation?
On the other hand, insulation may prove useful for noise abatement.
sid wrote:
>
> I insulated the outside wall with 1" foam board. My thought is that my
> neighbors side of the common wall is heated to at least 60-65F. Do I
> really need a lot of insulation on common walls, even if they are
> poured ?
If the temperature on both sides of the wall is the same, what's the purpose
of the insulation?
On the other hand, insulation may prove useful for noise abatement.
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 11:11 am, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail . com > wrote:
> sid wrote:
>
> > I insulated the outside wall with 1" foam board. My thought is that my
> > neighbors side of the common wall is heated to at least 60-65F. Do I
> > really need a lot of insulation on common walls, even if they are
> > poured ?
>
> If the temperature on both sides of the wall is the same, what's the purpo=
se
> of the insulation?
>
> On the other hand, insulation may prove useful for noise abatement.
Another question:
Some of the DIY construction books show not studding out basement
walls but just screwing up 2x2s and attaching wall board to them. Is
this recommended or not ?
On May 8, 11:11 am, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail . com > wrote:
> sid wrote:
>
> > I insulated the outside wall with 1" foam board. My thought is that my
> > neighbors side of the common wall is heated to at least 60-65F. Do I
> > really need a lot of insulation on common walls, even if they are
> > poured ?
>
> If the temperature on both sides of the wall is the same, what's the purpo=
se
> of the insulation?
>
> On the other hand, insulation may prove useful for noise abatement.
Another question:
Some of the DIY construction books show not studding out basement
walls but just screwing up 2x2s and attaching wall board to them. Is
this recommended or not ?
Re: insulating basement condo
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:fe85d630-bfa9-44e2-aa08-0de1060a7824@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
...
>
> Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.
Dirt does insulate and even the best insulators transfer heat (cold does
not transfer, it is just the lack of heat.) :-)
In most areas the ground temperature evens out at about 4-5 feet.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:fe85d630-bfa9-44e2-aa08-0de1060a7824@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
...
>
> Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.
Dirt does insulate and even the best insulators transfer heat (cold does
not transfer, it is just the lack of heat.) :-)
In most areas the ground temperature evens out at about 4-5 feet.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 2:26 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:fe85d630-bfa9-44e2-aa08-0de1060a7824@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
> ...
>
>
>
> > Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.
>
> Dirt does insulate and even the best insulators transfer heat (cold do=
es
> not transfer, it is just the lack of heat.) :-)
>
> In most areas the ground temperature evens out at about 4-5 feet.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia 's Muire duit
OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
1 R" im guessing here.
On May 8, 2:26 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:fe85d630-bfa9-44e2-aa08-0de1060a7824@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
> ...
>
>
>
> > Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.
>
> Dirt does insulate and even the best insulators transfer heat (cold do=
es
> not transfer, it is just the lack of heat.) :-)
>
> In most areas the ground temperature evens out at about 4-5 feet.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia 's Muire duit
OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
1 R" im guessing here.
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 2:59 pm, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 8, 2:26 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> >news:fe85d630-bfa9-44e2-aa08-0de1060a7824@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
> > ...
>
> > > Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.=
>
> > Dirt does insulate and even the best insulators transfer heat (cold =
does
> > not transfer, it is just the lack of heat.) :-)
>
> > In most areas the ground temperature evens out at about 4-5 feet.=
>
> > --
> > Joseph Meehan
>
> > Dia 's Muire duit
>
> OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
> basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
> insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
> 1 R" im guessing here.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Anyone have a comment about the use of 2x2s ?
Thanks
On May 8, 2:59 pm, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 8, 2:26 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> >news:fe85d630-bfa9-44e2-aa08-0de1060a7824@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
> > ...
>
> > > Dirt is not insulation, my freeze depth is 3.5ft, dirt transfers cold.=
>
> > Dirt does insulate and even the best insulators transfer heat (cold =
does
> > not transfer, it is just the lack of heat.) :-)
>
> > In most areas the ground temperature evens out at about 4-5 feet.=
>
> > --
> > Joseph Meehan
>
> > Dia 's Muire duit
>
> OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
> basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
> insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
> 1 R" im guessing here.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Anyone have a comment about the use of 2x2s ?
Thanks
Re: insulating basement condo
"sid" <sidwelle@alexian . net > wrote in message news:299cf387-58ea-494c-a7e0-
Anyone have a comment about the use of 2x2s ?
Thanks
******************
Even 1 x 2 is OK since they are only holding the wallboard and not
structural. OTOH, I'd use 2 x 4 on the outside walls and insulated them.
"sid" <sidwelle@alexian . net > wrote in message news:299cf387-58ea-494c-a7e0-
Anyone have a comment about the use of 2x2s ?
Thanks
******************
Even 1 x 2 is OK since they are only holding the wallboard and not
structural. OTOH, I'd use 2 x 4 on the outside walls and insulated them.
Re: insulating basement condo
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:22c548c6-d921-44a9-8981-e42e568bc9e7@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
>
> OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
> basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
> insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
> 1 R" im guessing here.
You over estimated. It is about 0.25* as compared to wood at about .50.
Of course when you consider that it is DIRT CHEAP, that's not so bad. The
mud buildings in the American southwest use it because of both the price and
the insulation value when you have walls several feet thick.
* It varies a great deal depending on the soil mix and the amount of water
in it. It is also a good heat sink and will temper day-night changes very
nicely.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:22c548c6-d921-44a9-8981-e42e568bc9e7@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
>
> OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
> basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
> insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
> 1 R" im guessing here.
You over estimated. It is about 0.25* as compared to wood at about .50.
Of course when you consider that it is DIRT CHEAP, that's not so bad. The
mud buildings in the American southwest use it because of both the price and
the insulation value when you have walls several feet thick.
* It varies a great deal depending on the soil mix and the amount of water
in it. It is also a good heat sink and will temper day-night changes very
nicely.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
Re: insulating basement condo
On May 8, 6:57 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:22c548c6-d921-44a9-8981-e42e568bc9e7@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
> > basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
> > insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
> > 1 R" im guessing here.
>
> You over estimated. It is about 0.25* as compared to wood at ab=
out .50.
> Of course when you consider that it is DIRT CHEAP, that's not so bad. =
The
> mud buildings in the American southwest use it because of both the price a=
nd
> the insulation value when you have walls several feet thick.
>
> * It varies a great deal depending on the soil mix and the amount of wa=
ter
> in it. It is also a good heat sink and will temper day-night changes v=
ery
> nicely.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia 's Muire duit
In cold climates with no insulation and dirt covering the basement
walls it is a drain on the utility bill, single pane glass is 1R,
imagine heating a glass house. I insulated my basement walls with 2
and 3" of R 7.2 foamboard, up to R 21, it helped dramaticly. Adobe
usage is in areas that even today dont have heating equipment. OP will
save alot by using more than 1" of foam. Logs homes are actualy fairly
well insulated, wood is near 1-1.2R. A 12" log might be 16R
On May 8, 6:57 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:22c548c6-d921-44a9-8981-e42e568bc9e7@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
> > basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
> > insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
> > 1 R" im guessing here.
>
> You over estimated. It is about 0.25* as compared to wood at ab=
out .50.
> Of course when you consider that it is DIRT CHEAP, that's not so bad. =
The
> mud buildings in the American southwest use it because of both the price a=
nd
> the insulation value when you have walls several feet thick.
>
> * It varies a great deal depending on the soil mix and the amount of wa=
ter
> in it. It is also a good heat sink and will temper day-night changes v=
ery
> nicely.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia 's Muire duit
In cold climates with no insulation and dirt covering the basement
walls it is a drain on the utility bill, single pane glass is 1R,
imagine heating a glass house. I insulated my basement walls with 2
and 3" of R 7.2 foamboard, up to R 21, it helped dramaticly. Adobe
usage is in areas that even today dont have heating equipment. OP will
save alot by using more than 1" of foam. Logs homes are actualy fairly
well insulated, wood is near 1-1.2R. A 12" log might be 16R
Re: insulating basement condo
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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> On May 8, 6:57 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>> "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:22c548c6-d921-44a9-8981-e42e568bc9e7@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
>> > basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
>> > insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
>> > 1 R" im guessing here.
>>
>> You over estimated. It is about 0.25* as compared to wood at about .50.
>> Of course when you consider that it is DIRT CHEAP, that's not so bad. The
>> mud buildings in the American southwest use it because of both the price
>> and
>> the insulation value when you have walls several feet thick.
>>
>> * It varies a great deal depending on the soil mix and the amount of
>> water
>> in it. It is also a good heat sink and will temper day-night changes very
>> nicely.
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Meehan
>>
>> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> In cold climates with no insulation and dirt covering the basement
> walls it is a drain on the utility bill, single pane glass is 1R,
> imagine heating a glass house. I insulated my basement walls with 2
> and 3" of R 7.2 foamboard, up to R 21, it helped dramaticly. Adobe
> usage is in areas that even today dont have heating equipment. OP will
> save alot by using more than 1" of foam. Logs homes are actualy fairly
> well insulated, wood is near 1-1.2R. A 12" log might be 16R
I agree. Any additional insulation is good. Dirt varies from poor to
more poor. Of course even poor insulation added to whatever you have in an
improvement. Dirt has one additional function however. It is a great big
heat sink. If it is deep enough it moderates temperatures very nicely.
--
Joseph Meehan
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"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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> On May 8, 6:57 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>> "ransley" <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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>> news:22c548c6-d921-44a9-8981-e42e568bc9e7@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups . com ...
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>> > OK dirt insulates, it sucks out your heat in winter, an insulated
>> > basement wall underground will reduce heating costs. Does dirt
>> > insulate better than stone or concrete, R value of stone might be 0.5-
>> > 1 R" im guessing here.
>>
>> You over estimated. It is about 0.25* as compared to wood at about .50.
>> Of course when you consider that it is DIRT CHEAP, that's not so bad. The
>> mud buildings in the American southwest use it because of both the price
>> and
>> the insulation value when you have walls several feet thick.
>>
>> * It varies a great deal depending on the soil mix and the amount of
>> water
>> in it. It is also a good heat sink and will temper day-night changes very
>> nicely.
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>> Joseph Meehan
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>> Dia 's Muire duit
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> In cold climates with no insulation and dirt covering the basement
> walls it is a drain on the utility bill, single pane glass is 1R,
> imagine heating a glass house. I insulated my basement walls with 2
> and 3" of R 7.2 foamboard, up to R 21, it helped dramaticly. Adobe
> usage is in areas that even today dont have heating equipment. OP will
> save alot by using more than 1" of foam. Logs homes are actualy fairly
> well insulated, wood is near 1-1.2R. A 12" log might be 16R
I agree. Any additional insulation is good. Dirt varies from poor to
more poor. Of course even poor insulation added to whatever you have in an
improvement. Dirt has one additional function however. It is a great big
heat sink. If it is deep enough it moderates temperatures very nicely.
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Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
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