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Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
situation gets a little bit complicated.
I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
plug.
At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
besides running several extension cords?
Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
the power lines, etc.)
Your help is most appreciated.
-Dave
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I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
situation gets a little bit complicated.
I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
plug.
At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
besides running several extension cords?
Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
the power lines, etc.)
Your help is most appreciated.
-Dave
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Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
In article <4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com >,
snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com (chenopod) wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
3000 watts is only two typical 15 amp (@ 120VAC) circuits. You could
run 240V out there and split it on site. That will reduce your
transmission losses and wire gauge requirements substantially. Here's a
calculator:
* w w w .securitypower . com /WireLossCalculator.html
In article <4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com >,
snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com (chenopod) wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
3000 watts is only two typical 15 amp (@ 120VAC) circuits. You could
run 240V out there and split it on site. That will reduce your
transmission losses and wire gauge requirements substantially. Here's a
calculator:
* w w w .securitypower . com /WireLossCalculator.html
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
"chenopod" <snyper333 at hotmail dot com@foo . com > wrote in message
news:4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com ...
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
Is there any reason why you cannot rent or buy a generator? A two thousand
foot extension cord is not very practical for such a small load. You can
get heavier gauge SO cord or single conductors but the wire will be quite
expensive and heavy and you will need connectors every few hundred feet.
If you are concerned about noise from a generator, contact companies that
rent motion picture equipment. Their generators are practically noiseless.
"chenopod" <snyper333 at hotmail dot com@foo . com > wrote in message
news:4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com ...
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
Is there any reason why you cannot rent or buy a generator? A two thousand
foot extension cord is not very practical for such a small load. You can
get heavier gauge SO cord or single conductors but the wire will be quite
expensive and heavy and you will need connectors every few hundred feet.
If you are concerned about noise from a generator, contact companies that
rent motion picture equipment. Their generators are practically noiseless.
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com
(chenopod) wrote:
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
>situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
>I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
>stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
>I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
>grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
>looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
>W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
>hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
>The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
>were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
>outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
>heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
>that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
>plug.
>
>At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
>the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
>any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
>do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
>besides running several extension cords?
>
>Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
>what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
>the power lines, etc.)
>
>Your help is most appreciated.
Rent-A-Generator
On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com
(chenopod) wrote:
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
>situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
>I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
>stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
>I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
>grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
>looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
>W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
>hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
>The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
>were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
>outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
>heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
>that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
>plug.
>
>At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
>the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
>any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
>do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
>besides running several extension cords?
>
>Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
>what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
>the power lines, etc.)
>
>Your help is most appreciated.
Rent-A-Generator
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
"chenopod" <snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com > wrote in message
news:4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com ...
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
You should look at another way to supply the power. It would take 2 or 3
extension cords made out of # 6 or # 8 copper wire. This is not something
off the local electrical store. You would have to find seperate circuits to
plug into. Most home 120v outlets are only good for 15 or 20 amps. It
would take about 10 amps per 1200 watts.
A big part of the problem is the voltage drop of the wires. Too small wire
and there will not be enough voltage to power the load.
"chenopod" <snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com > wrote in message
news:4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com ...
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
You should look at another way to supply the power. It would take 2 or 3
extension cords made out of # 6 or # 8 copper wire. This is not something
off the local electrical store. You would have to find seperate circuits to
plug into. Most home 120v outlets are only good for 15 or 20 amps. It
would take about 10 amps per 1200 watts.
A big part of the problem is the voltage drop of the wires. Too small wire
and there will not be enough voltage to power the load.
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
chenopod wrote:
>
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
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Eighty 25 ft, 20 gauge TROLL-e-lectric extension cords in series should
do. Just plug the set into any 5 amp outlet and you're good to go. ;-)
chenopod wrote:
>
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
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Eighty 25 ft, 20 gauge TROLL-e-lectric extension cords in series should
do. Just plug the set into any 5 amp outlet and you're good to go. ;-)
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On May 9, 8:41 am, snyper333 at hotmail dot ...@foo . com (chenopod)
wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the=
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how=
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,=
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole=
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
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TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit. You
could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer
On May 9, 8:41 am, snyper333 at hotmail dot ...@foo . com (chenopod)
wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the=
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how=
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,=
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole=
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
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> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
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> ##-----------------------------------------------##
TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit. You
could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On May 9, 8:58=EF=BF=BDpm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 9, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com (chenopod)=
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but t=
he
> > situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> > I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power =
a
> > stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> > I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> > grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> > looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000=
> > W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates =
with how
> > hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> > The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=BF=
=BDIf I
> > were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing th=
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> > outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> > heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure if=
a wire
> > that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> > plug.
>
> > At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do=
> > the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (o=
r
> > any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this type=
of job,
> > do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the po=
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> > besides running several extension cords?
>
> > Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e=
.
> > what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> > the power lines, etc.)
>
> > Your help is most appreciated.
>
> > -Dave
>
> > ##-----------------------------------------------##
> > Delivered via =EF=BF=BD * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> > Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> > Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> > alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> > ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
> =EF=BF=BD TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit. Yo=
u
> could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
a friend does shows and has similiar issues. all solved by using a
inverter connected to her vans battery, with the engine running.
one must realize that loads like audio systems rated a X watts, is
audio watts out. much less than power line voltage watts in.
my friends entire audio system and some lamps run fine on a 1000 watt
inverter. plus its a variable load, the inverter doesnt even get warm.
put a meter, like a clamp on amp meter or kill a watt meter on the
entire setup. you will likely be pleasantly surprised........
On May 9, 8:58=EF=BF=BDpm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 9, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com (chenopod)=
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but t=
he
> > situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> > I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power =
a
> > stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> > I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> > grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> > looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000=
> > W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates =
with how
> > hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> > The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=BF=
=BDIf I
> > were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing th=
e
> > outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> > heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure if=
a wire
> > that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> > plug.
>
> > At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do=
> > the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (o=
r
> > any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this type=
of job,
> > do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the po=
le
> > besides running several extension cords?
>
> > Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e=
.
> > what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> > the power lines, etc.)
>
> > Your help is most appreciated.
>
> > -Dave
>
> > ##-----------------------------------------------##
> > Delivered via =EF=BF=BD * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> > Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> > Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> > alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> > ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
> =EF=BF=BD TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit. Yo=
u
> could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
a friend does shows and has similiar issues. all solved by using a
inverter connected to her vans battery, with the engine running.
one must realize that loads like audio systems rated a X watts, is
audio watts out. much less than power line voltage watts in.
my friends entire audio system and some lamps run fine on a 1000 watt
inverter. plus its a variable load, the inverter doesnt even get warm.
put a meter, like a clamp on amp meter or kill a watt meter on the
entire setup. you will likely be pleasantly surprised........
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On May 9, 9:23=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol . com " <hall...@aol . com > wrote:
> On May 9, 8:58=EF=BF=BDpm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com (chenopo=
d)
> > wrote:
>
> > > I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but=
the
> > > situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> > > I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to powe=
r a
> > > stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> > > I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> > > grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm=
> > > looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 30=
00
> > > W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuate=
s with how
> > > hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> > > The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=
=BF=BDIf I
> > > were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing =
the
> > > outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> > > heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure =
if a wire
> > > that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> > > plug.
>
> > > At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not =
do
> > > the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box =
(or
> > > any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this ty=
pe of job,
> > > do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the =
pole
> > > besides running several extension cords?
>
> > > Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i=
.e.
> > > what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly ta=
p
> > > the power lines, etc.)
>
> > > Your help is most appreciated.
>
> > > -Dave
>
> > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
> > > Delivered via =EF=BF=BD * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> > > Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> > > Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> > > alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
> > =EF=BF=BD TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit. =
You
> > could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer- H=
ide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> a friend does shows and has similiar issues. all solved by using a
> inverter connected to her vans battery, with the engine running.
>
> one must realize that loads like audio systems rated a X watts, is
> audio watts out. much less than power line voltage watts in.
>
> my friends entire audio system and some lamps run fine on a 1000 watt
> inverter. plus its a variable load, the inverter doesnt even get warm.
>
> put a meter, like a clamp on amp meter or kill a watt meter on the
> entire setup. you will likely be pleasantly surprised........- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Audio watts out can easily and more than equal input, my 600w rms mono
power amp will blow a 15amp fuse on peaks, and its no cheapie at
1000$, I have another 200w head that uses a 3.5 amp fuse. A music
group will likely need all that 3000 plus 2000+ in intermitant peaks.
On May 9, 9:23=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol . com " <hall...@aol . com > wrote:
> On May 9, 8:58=EF=BF=BDpm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com (chenopo=
d)
> > wrote:
>
> > > I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but=
the
> > > situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> > > I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to powe=
r a
> > > stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> > > I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> > > grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm=
> > > looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 30=
00
> > > W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuate=
s with how
> > > hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> > > The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=
=BF=BDIf I
> > > were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing =
the
> > > outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> > > heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure =
if a wire
> > > that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> > > plug.
>
> > > At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not =
do
> > > the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box =
(or
> > > any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this ty=
pe of job,
> > > do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the =
pole
> > > besides running several extension cords?
>
> > > Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i=
.e.
> > > what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly ta=
p
> > > the power lines, etc.)
>
> > > Your help is most appreciated.
>
> > > -Dave
>
> > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
> > > Delivered via =EF=BF=BD * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> > > Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> > > Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> > > alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
> > =EF=BF=BD TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit. =
You
> > could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer- H=
ide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> a friend does shows and has similiar issues. all solved by using a
> inverter connected to her vans battery, with the engine running.
>
> one must realize that loads like audio systems rated a X watts, is
> audio watts out. much less than power line voltage watts in.
>
> my friends entire audio system and some lamps run fine on a 1000 watt
> inverter. plus its a variable load, the inverter doesnt even get warm.
>
> put a meter, like a clamp on amp meter or kill a watt meter on the
> entire setup. you will likely be pleasantly surprised........- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Audio watts out can easily and more than equal input, my 600w rms mono
power amp will blow a 15amp fuse on peaks, and its no cheapie at
1000$, I have another 200w head that uses a 3.5 amp fuse. A music
group will likely need all that 3000 plus 2000+ in intermitant peaks.
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On May 9, 10:54=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 9, 9:23=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol . com " <hall...@aol . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 8:58=EF=BF=BDpm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com (cheno=
pod)
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, b=
ut the
> > > > situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> > > > I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to po=
wer a
> > > > stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> > > > I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> > > > grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I=
'm
> > > > looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, =
3000
> > > > W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctua=
tes with how
> > > > hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> > > > The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =
=EF=BF=BDIf I
> > > > were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessin=
g the
> > > > outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance an=
d
> > > > heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sur=
e if a wire
> > > > that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outle=
t
> > > > plug.
>
> > > > At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might no=
t do
> > > > the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet bo=
x (or
> > > > any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this =
type of job,
> > > > do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from th=
e pole
> > > > besides running several extension cords?
>
> > > > Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? =
(i.e.
> > > > what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly =
tap
> > > > the power lines, etc.)
>
> > > > Your help is most appreciated.
>
> > > > -Dave
>
> > > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
> > > > Delivered via =EF=BF=BD * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> > > > Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> > > > Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> > > > alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> > > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit=
. You
> > > could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer-=
Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > a friend does shows and has similiar issues. all solved by using a
> > inverter connected to her vans battery, with the engine running.
>
> > one must realize that loads like audio systems rated a X watts, is
> > audio watts out. much less than power line voltage watts in.
>
> > my friends entire audio system and some lamps run fine on a 1000 watt
> > inverter. plus its a variable load, the inverter doesnt even get warm.
>
> > put a meter, like a clamp on amp meter or kill a watt meter on the
> > entire setup. you will likely be pleasantly surprised........- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Audio watts out can easily and more than equal input, my 600w rms mono
> power amp will blow a 15amp fuse on peaks, and its no cheapie at
> 1000$, I have another 200w head that uses a 3.5 amp fuse. A music
> group will likely need all that 3000 plus 2000+ in intermitant peaks.- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
assemble the entire system, and monitor its power use.........
only way to know for certain/
On May 9, 10:54=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On May 9, 9:23=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol . com " <hall...@aol . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 8:58=EF=BF=BDpm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com (cheno=
pod)
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, b=
ut the
> > > > situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> > > > I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to po=
wer a
> > > > stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> > > > I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> > > > grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I=
'm
> > > > looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, =
3000
> > > > W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctua=
tes with how
> > > > hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> > > > The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =
=EF=BF=BDIf I
> > > > were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessin=
g the
> > > > outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance an=
d
> > > > heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sur=
e if a wire
> > > > that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outle=
t
> > > > plug.
>
> > > > At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might no=
t do
> > > > the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet bo=
x (or
> > > > any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this =
type of job,
> > > > do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from th=
e pole
> > > > besides running several extension cords?
>
> > > > Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? =
(i.e.
> > > > what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly =
tap
> > > > the power lines, etc.)
>
> > > > Your help is most appreciated.
>
> > > > -Dave
>
> > > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
> > > > Delivered via =EF=BF=BD * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> > > > Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> > > > Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> > > > alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> > > > ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD TROLL A Generator, its a bunch of trolls cranking a gen unit=
. You
> > > could buy many many generators cheaper than the cable yur troliin fer-=
Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > a friend does shows and has similiar issues. all solved by using a
> > inverter connected to her vans battery, with the engine running.
>
> > one must realize that loads like audio systems rated a X watts, is
> > audio watts out. much less than power line voltage watts in.
>
> > my friends entire audio system and some lamps run fine on a 1000 watt
> > inverter. plus its a variable load, the inverter doesnt even get warm.
>
> > put a meter, like a clamp on amp meter or kill a watt meter on the
> > entire setup. you will likely be pleasantly surprised........- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Audio watts out can easily and more than equal input, my 600w rms mono
> power amp will blow a 15amp fuse on peaks, and its no cheapie at
> 1000$, I have another 200w head that uses a 3.5 amp fuse. A music
> group will likely need all that 3000 plus 2000+ in intermitant peaks.- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
assemble the entire system, and monitor its power use.........
only way to know for certain/
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
Get a rental generator of the proper size and put it behind the stage.
You'll never hear it. Save a lot of trouble and cording and such.
s
"chenopod" <snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com > wrote in message
news:4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com ...
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
> Delivered via * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
Get a rental generator of the proper size and put it behind the stage.
You'll never hear it. Save a lot of trouble and cording and such.
s
"chenopod" <snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com > wrote in message
news:4824547b$0$22596$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews . com ...
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
> Delivered via * w w w .thestuccocompany . com /
> Building Construction and Maintenance Forum
> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> alt.home.repair - 289120 messages and counting!
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
chenopod wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory,
> but the situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to
> power a stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA,
> etc.
>
Is it really appropriate to use modern, electronic equipment for a
back-to-nature event?
Wouldn't strolling minstrels be better?
chenopod wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory,
> but the situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to
> power a stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA,
> etc.
>
Is it really appropriate to use modern, electronic equipment for a
back-to-nature event?
Wouldn't strolling minstrels be better?
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com
(chenopod) wrote:
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
>situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
>I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
>stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
>I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
>grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
>looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
>W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
>hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
>The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
>were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
>outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
>heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
>that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
>plug.
>
>At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
>the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
>any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
>do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
>besides running several extension cords?
>
>Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
>what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
>the power lines, etc.)
>
>Your help is most appreciated.
3kw is at least 30a of 120v current. You could plug it all into two
outlets on two circuit breakers, if you weren't 3000 feet away. Since
you are, there would be a great deal of loss in the lines going back,
and you'd have to run two cords. Your best bet is to rent one large
quiet generator; get 4-5kw so you aren't pushing it too hard. If you
want to buy something, buy a pair of Honda EU 2000 units with the
parallel wiring kit. They are very quiet and will likely last forever
in the use you propose. This would probably be only about double the
price you'd pay for the wiring to do the job with extension cords, and
it would actually work.
On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo . com
(chenopod) wrote:
>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
>situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
>I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
>stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
>I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
>grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
>looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
>W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
>hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
>The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
>were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
>outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
>heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
>that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
>plug.
>
>At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
>the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
>any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
>do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
>besides running several extension cords?
>
>Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
>what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
>the power lines, etc.)
>
>Your help is most appreciated.
3kw is at least 30a of 120v current. You could plug it all into two
outlets on two circuit breakers, if you weren't 3000 feet away. Since
you are, there would be a great deal of loss in the lines going back,
and you'd have to run two cords. Your best bet is to rent one large
quiet generator; get 4-5kw so you aren't pushing it too hard. If you
want to buy something, buy a pair of Honda EU 2000 units with the
parallel wiring kit. They are very quiet and will likely last forever
in the use you propose. This would probably be only about double the
price you'd pay for the wiring to do the job with extension cords, and
it would actually work.
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On May 10, 10:30=EF=BF=BDam, Chris Hill <hil...@earthlink . net > wrote:
> On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com
>
>
>
>
>
> (chenopod) wrote:
> >I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but th=
e
> >situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> >I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a=
> >stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> >I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> >grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> >looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> >W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates w=
ith how
> >hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> >The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=BF=
=BDIf I
> >were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the=
> >outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> >heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure if =
a wire
> >that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> >plug.
>
> >At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> >the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or=
> >any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this type =
of job,
> >do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pol=
e
> >besides running several extension cords?
>
> >Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.=
> >what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> >the power lines, etc.)
>
> >Your help is most appreciated.
>
> 3kw is at least 30a of 120v current. =EF=BF=BDYou could plug it all into t=
wo
> outlets on two circuit breakers, if you weren't 3000 feet away. =EF=BF=BDS=
ince
> you are, there would be a great deal of loss in the lines going back,
> and you'd have to run two cords. =EF=BF=BDYour best bet is to rent one lar=
ge
> quiet generator; get 4-5kw so you aren't pushing it too hard. =EF=BF=BDIf =
you
> want to buy something, buy a pair of Honda EU 2000 units with the
> parallel wiring kit. =EF=BF=BDThey are very quiet and will likely last for=
ever
> in the use you propose. =EF=BF=BDThis would probably be only about double =
the
> price you'd pay for the wiring to do the job with extension cords, and
> it would actually work.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
if its a one shot deal, the best bet is a generator.
if its a long term use location direct burial cable, or even get a
quote from the local power company for some poles and a transformer at
the site.
such a estimate should be free.
if you can get a vehicle to the location, and thats likely given the
equiptement used.
a generator powered from a vehicle, or a inverter on a vehicle, or two
inverters on 2 seperate vehicles might be cost effective.
inverters are nice to have around
On May 10, 10:30=EF=BF=BDam, Chris Hill <hil...@earthlink . net > wrote:
> On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo . com
>
>
>
>
>
> (chenopod) wrote:
> >I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but th=
e
> >situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> >I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a=
> >stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> >I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> >grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> >looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> >W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates w=
ith how
> >hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> >The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=BF=
=BDIf I
> >were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the=
> >outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> >heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure if =
a wire
> >that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> >plug.
>
> >At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> >the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or=
> >any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this type =
of job,
> >do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pol=
e
> >besides running several extension cords?
>
> >Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.=
> >what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> >the power lines, etc.)
>
> >Your help is most appreciated.
>
> 3kw is at least 30a of 120v current. =EF=BF=BDYou could plug it all into t=
wo
> outlets on two circuit breakers, if you weren't 3000 feet away. =EF=BF=BDS=
ince
> you are, there would be a great deal of loss in the lines going back,
> and you'd have to run two cords. =EF=BF=BDYour best bet is to rent one lar=
ge
> quiet generator; get 4-5kw so you aren't pushing it too hard. =EF=BF=BDIf =
you
> want to buy something, buy a pair of Honda EU 2000 units with the
> parallel wiring kit. =EF=BF=BDThey are very quiet and will likely last for=
ever
> in the use you propose. =EF=BF=BDThis would probably be only about double =
the
> price you'd pay for the wiring to do the job with extension cords, and
> it would actually work.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
if its a one shot deal, the best bet is a generator.
if its a long term use location direct burial cable, or even get a
quote from the local power company for some poles and a transformer at
the site.
such a estimate should be free.
if you can get a vehicle to the location, and thats likely given the
equiptement used.
a generator powered from a vehicle, or a inverter on a vehicle, or two
inverters on 2 seperate vehicles might be cost effective.
inverters are nice to have around
Re: Wire gauge for a certain length and load?
On Sat, 10 May 2008 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol . com "
<hallerb@aol . com > wrote:
>
>if its a one shot deal, the best bet is a generator.
>
>if its a long term use location direct burial cable, or even get a
>quote from the local power company for some poles and a transformer at
>the site.
That's the best idea for a long-term venue. Runing cables without a
transformer would require very heavy cables and the cost would be
quite high. By the time you bought and buried the cables for a 110 or
220 volt solution, you could have paid for the generators and you
wouldn't have a trench to fill in.
On Sat, 10 May 2008 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol . com "
<hallerb@aol . com > wrote:
>
>if its a one shot deal, the best bet is a generator.
>
>if its a long term use location direct burial cable, or even get a
>quote from the local power company for some poles and a transformer at
>the site.
That's the best idea for a long-term venue. Runing cables without a
transformer would require very heavy cables and the cost would be
quite high. By the time you bought and buried the cables for a 110 or
220 volt solution, you could have paid for the generators and you
wouldn't have a trench to fill in.
