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How do I neutralize acid
I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On 5/9/2008 5:53 PM ransley spake thus:
> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
You mean there's actually something you *don't* know the answer to? I
mean, you answer just about every friggin' post here.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
On 5/9/2008 5:53 PM ransley spake thus:
> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
You mean there's actually something you *don't* know the answer to? I
mean, you answer just about every friggin' post here.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On May 9, 8:53 pm, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
baking soda comes in 12 lb bags at sams club, we use it for our
swimming pool to bring up the total alkalinity, it neutralizes
sulphuric acid drain cleaner.
On May 9, 8:53 pm, ransley <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
baking soda comes in 12 lb bags at sams club, we use it for our
swimming pool to bring up the total alkalinity, it neutralizes
sulphuric acid drain cleaner.
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Soda Ash and water.
I recently asked about acid washing a pool.
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Soda Ash and water.
I recently asked about acid washing a pool.
Re: How do I neutralize acid
Oren wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
> <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>
> Soda Ash and water.
Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
Oren wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
> <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>
> Soda Ash and water.
Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
Re: How do I neutralize acid
"Leroy" <BogusAddy@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:5C7Vj.3055$J16.1935@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
> Oren wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>> <Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>
>>> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>>> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>>> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>>
>> Soda Ash and water.
>
> Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
> at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
>
>
While baking soda will neutralize the acid that runs off into the soil, more
than likely soil itself and the concrete you cleaned with it (assumption)
can do the job just as well. Most of the chlorine comes off as gas and some
gets converted into salts. In the long term its safe but in the short term
it will kill bugs and grass
For what gets soaked into the concrete, use ammonia after it dries and you
wash it first. Do this especially if you plan to seal it particularly
acrylic surface sealer (as opposed to a penetrating sealer).
Muriatic is not the best for concrete, it will etch quite well but the fumes
are bad and it can penetrate leaving oily looking spots which defy cleaning
with just water and soap (hence my comment about sealers). I have to admit
it is far cheaper and generally more aggressive than other products so in
general a good choice.
"Leroy" <BogusAddy@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:5C7Vj.3055$J16.1935@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
> Oren wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>> <Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>
>>> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>>> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>>> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>>
>> Soda Ash and water.
>
> Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
> at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
>
>
While baking soda will neutralize the acid that runs off into the soil, more
than likely soil itself and the concrete you cleaned with it (assumption)
can do the job just as well. Most of the chlorine comes off as gas and some
gets converted into salts. In the long term its safe but in the short term
it will kill bugs and grass
For what gets soaked into the concrete, use ammonia after it dries and you
wash it first. Do this especially if you plan to seal it particularly
acrylic surface sealer (as opposed to a penetrating sealer).
Muriatic is not the best for concrete, it will etch quite well but the fumes
are bad and it can penetrate leaving oily looking spots which defy cleaning
with just water and soap (hence my comment about sealers). I have to admit
it is far cheaper and generally more aggressive than other products so in
general a good choice.
Re: How do I neutralize acid
pipedown wrote:
>"Leroy" <BogusAddy@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5C7Vj.3055$J16.1935@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
>
>
>>Oren wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>>><Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>>>>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>>>>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Soda Ash and water.
>>>
>>>
>>Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
>>at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>While baking soda will neutralize the acid that runs off into the soil, more
>than likely soil itself and the concrete you cleaned with it (assumption)
>can do the job just as well. Most of the chlorine comes off as gas and some
>gets converted into salts. In the long term its safe but in the short term
>it will kill bugs and grass
>
>For what gets soaked into the concrete, use ammonia after it dries and you
>wash it first. Do this especially if you plan to seal it particularly
>acrylic surface sealer (as opposed to a penetrating sealer).
>
>Muriatic is not the best for concrete, it will etch quite well but the fumes
>are bad and it can penetrate leaving oily looking spots which defy cleaning
>with just water and soap (hence my comment about sealers). I have to admit
>it is far cheaper and generally more aggressive than other products so in
>general a good choice.
>
>
>
>
We used muriatic to etch concrete prior to sealing. Just washed off
with plain water, as, I'm sure,
the instructions said we should. This was 2nd floor deck, with concrete
walks, plants, and structural
walls near. No effect on surrounding area. Dilute acid will probably
help the lawn :o)
pipedown wrote:
>"Leroy" <BogusAddy@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5C7Vj.3055$J16.1935@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
>
>
>>Oren wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>>><Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>>>>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>>>>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Soda Ash and water.
>>>
>>>
>>Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
>>at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>While baking soda will neutralize the acid that runs off into the soil, more
>than likely soil itself and the concrete you cleaned with it (assumption)
>can do the job just as well. Most of the chlorine comes off as gas and some
>gets converted into salts. In the long term its safe but in the short term
>it will kill bugs and grass
>
>For what gets soaked into the concrete, use ammonia after it dries and you
>wash it first. Do this especially if you plan to seal it particularly
>acrylic surface sealer (as opposed to a penetrating sealer).
>
>Muriatic is not the best for concrete, it will etch quite well but the fumes
>are bad and it can penetrate leaving oily looking spots which defy cleaning
>with just water and soap (hence my comment about sealers). I have to admit
>it is far cheaper and generally more aggressive than other products so in
>general a good choice.
>
>
>
>
We used muriatic to etch concrete prior to sealing. Just washed off
with plain water, as, I'm sure,
the instructions said we should. This was 2nd floor deck, with concrete
walks, plants, and structural
walls near. No effect on surrounding area. Dilute acid will probably
help the lawn :o)
Re: How do I neutralize acid
Norminn wrote:
> pipedown wrote:
>
>> "Leroy" <BogusAddy@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:5C7Vj.3055$J16.1935@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
>>
>>
>>> Oren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>>>> <Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>>>>> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>>>>> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Soda Ash and water.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
>>> at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> While baking soda will neutralize the acid that runs off into the
>> soil, more than likely soil itself and the concrete you cleaned with
>> it (assumption) can do the job just as well. Most of the chlorine
>> comes off as gas and some gets converted into salts. In the long term
>> its safe but in the short term it will kill bugs and grass
>>
>> For what gets soaked into the concrete, use ammonia after it dries and
>> you wash it first. Do this especially if you plan to seal it
>> particularly acrylic surface sealer (as opposed to a penetrating sealer).
>>
>> Muriatic is not the best for concrete, it will etch quite well but the
>> fumes are bad and it can penetrate leaving oily looking spots which
>> defy cleaning with just water and soap (hence my comment about
>> sealers). I have to admit it is far cheaper and generally more
>> aggressive than other products so in general a good choice.
>>
>>
>>
> We used muriatic to etch concrete prior to sealing. Just washed off
> with plain water, as, I'm sure,
> the instructions said we should. This was 2nd floor deck, with concrete
> walks, plants, and structural
> walls near. No effect on surrounding area. Dilute acid will probably
> help the lawn :o)
Be cautious about using ammonium hydroxide to neutralize hydrochloric
acid. It will do the job, but if there is much HCl you may find all
surfaces covered with a white film...ammonium chloride. This is
harmless, it's called washing soda sometimes, but it makes a mess.
Boden
Norminn wrote:
> pipedown wrote:
>
>> "Leroy" <BogusAddy@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:5C7Vj.3055$J16.1935@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
>>
>>
>>> Oren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>>>> <Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>>>>> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>>>>> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Soda Ash and water.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep. AKA sodium carbonate, available in 5, 10, and 50 lb sizes
>>> at pool supply co. Call around for local price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> While baking soda will neutralize the acid that runs off into the
>> soil, more than likely soil itself and the concrete you cleaned with
>> it (assumption) can do the job just as well. Most of the chlorine
>> comes off as gas and some gets converted into salts. In the long term
>> its safe but in the short term it will kill bugs and grass
>>
>> For what gets soaked into the concrete, use ammonia after it dries and
>> you wash it first. Do this especially if you plan to seal it
>> particularly acrylic surface sealer (as opposed to a penetrating sealer).
>>
>> Muriatic is not the best for concrete, it will etch quite well but the
>> fumes are bad and it can penetrate leaving oily looking spots which
>> defy cleaning with just water and soap (hence my comment about
>> sealers). I have to admit it is far cheaper and generally more
>> aggressive than other products so in general a good choice.
>>
>>
>>
> We used muriatic to etch concrete prior to sealing. Just washed off
> with plain water, as, I'm sure,
> the instructions said we should. This was 2nd floor deck, with concrete
> walks, plants, and structural
> walls near. No effect on surrounding area. Dilute acid will probably
> help the lawn :o)
Be cautious about using ammonium hydroxide to neutralize hydrochloric
acid. It will do the job, but if there is much HCl you may find all
surfaces covered with a white film...ammonium chloride. This is
harmless, it's called washing soda sometimes, but it makes a mess.
Boden
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On 5/10/2008 10:16 AM Boden spake thus:
> Be cautious about using ammonium hydroxide to neutralize hydrochloric
> acid. It will do the job, but if there is much HCl you may find all
> surfaces covered with a white film...ammonium chloride. This is
> harmless, it's called washing soda sometimes, but it makes a mess.
Are you sure? I thought washing soda was sodium carbonate.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
On 5/10/2008 10:16 AM Boden spake thus:
> Be cautious about using ammonium hydroxide to neutralize hydrochloric
> acid. It will do the job, but if there is much HCl you may find all
> surfaces covered with a white film...ammonium chloride. This is
> harmless, it's called washing soda sometimes, but it makes a mess.
Are you sure? I thought washing soda was sodium carbonate.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
Re: How do I neutralize acid
Use a solution of Caustic soda, this re - acts with Hydrochloric
Acid to form salt and water.
HCL + NaOH = NaCL + H2O
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:cb43bdfc-fe52-4931-a861-8c3211fd6443@34g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Use a solution of Caustic soda, this re - acts with Hydrochloric
Acid to form salt and water.
HCL + NaOH = NaCL + H2O
"ransley" <Mark Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:cb43bdfc-fe52-4931-a861-8c3211fd6443@34g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Household ammonia might be your best choice. You might see some
(harmless) white smoke.
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
Household ammonia might be your best choice. You might see some
(harmless) white smoke.
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On May 10, 7:11 am, Phisherman <no...@nobody . com > wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>
> <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> >I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> >garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> >with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>
> Household ammonia might be your best choice. You might see some
> (harmless) white smoke.
A little plain old garden lime (ground limestone) would probably be
the best choice, you might get a bit of dead turf where the runoff is
heavy, the lime will correct that.
On May 10, 7:11 am, Phisherman <no...@nobody . com > wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
>
> <Mark Rans...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> >I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
> >garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
> >with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
>
> Household ammonia might be your best choice. You might see some
> (harmless) white smoke.
A little plain old garden lime (ground limestone) would probably be
the best choice, you might get a bit of dead turf where the runoff is
heavy, the lime will correct that.
Re: How do I neutralize acid
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
If you have the dilution ratio right the acid should be neutral before
it comes off the concrete. Unless you really want to be exposing the
aggregrate you will be using 20:1 or so. It is better to use more of a
dilute solution and a little time than to try to get it all at once
with concentrate. The fumes and danger will be less too
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo . com > wrote:
>I am using Muriatic acid which will go into the ground from cleaning a
>garage and wonder what hardware or grocery store product I can mix
>with water to neutralise run off. Would Baking Soda work?
If you have the dilution ratio right the acid should be neutral before
it comes off the concrete. Unless you really want to be exposing the
aggregrate you will be using 20:1 or so. It is better to use more of a
dilute solution and a little time than to try to get it all at once
with concentrate. The fumes and danger will be less too
