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Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
Since I have hopefully resolved the concrete pad issue I was wondering
just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
don't want to stir the pot some more with them because the concrete
was far worse and more of a visual annoyance because it was so bad.
I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
after only 5 months.
It's as thick as it is because they brought too much out and had to
put it somewhere.
I am so fed up with this crap I am on the verge of just calling an
Attorney because of all the issues. A handshake and verbal promise to
fix things used to be all you needed. Now it's a little bit iffy.
Roscoe aka Rick
Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.
Since I have hopefully resolved the concrete pad issue I was wondering
just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
don't want to stir the pot some more with them because the concrete
was far worse and more of a visual annoyance because it was so bad.
I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
after only 5 months.
It's as thick as it is because they brought too much out and had to
put it somewhere.
I am so fed up with this crap I am on the verge of just calling an
Attorney because of all the issues. A handshake and verbal promise to
fix things used to be all you needed. Now it's a little bit iffy.
Roscoe aka Rick
Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.
Re: Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
Roscoe P Pendoscoe wrote:
...
> just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
> before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
> the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
...
> I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
> our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
> Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
> after only 5 months.
All depends on what they did about the sub-base -- it's ground heave
from frost and moisture that causes problems. Adequate drainage and
prep and it should last--skimp anywhere on that part and problems are
inevitable.
--
Roscoe P Pendoscoe wrote:
...
> just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
> before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
> the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
...
> I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
> our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
> Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
> after only 5 months.
All depends on what they did about the sub-base -- it's ground heave
from frost and moisture that causes problems. Adequate drainage and
prep and it should last--skimp anywhere on that part and problems are
inevitable.
--
Re: Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
I would expect "cold joints" similiar to concrete if there is an issue to
expansion and contractoin.
Instead of cracking, the joint is where the movement takes place.
What do I know. It "helps" with concrete. Asphalt may be different.
The subgrade prep is most important also.
I always tell my customers when I pour a concrete slab........
I will guarantee 2 things..........
The concrete will crack......
I do not know where......
All we can do is minimize, and guess with joints(tooled), expansion joints,
etc.
jloomis
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it . net > wrote in message
news:0qtj04pa6a1iofs61bp9u5bm6d5ui7rjfu@4ax . com ...
> Since I have hopefully resolved the concrete pad issue I was wondering
> just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
> before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
> the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
> don't want to stir the pot some more with them because the concrete
> was far worse and more of a visual annoyance because it was so bad.
>
> I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
> our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
> Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
> after only 5 months.
>
> It's as thick as it is because they brought too much out and had to
> put it somewhere.
>
> I am so fed up with this crap I am on the verge of just calling an
> Attorney because of all the issues. A handshake and verbal promise to
> fix things used to be all you needed. Now it's a little bit iffy.
>
> Roscoe aka Rick
>
>
>
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.
I would expect "cold joints" similiar to concrete if there is an issue to
expansion and contractoin.
Instead of cracking, the joint is where the movement takes place.
What do I know. It "helps" with concrete. Asphalt may be different.
The subgrade prep is most important also.
I always tell my customers when I pour a concrete slab........
I will guarantee 2 things..........
The concrete will crack......
I do not know where......
All we can do is minimize, and guess with joints(tooled), expansion joints,
etc.
jloomis
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it . net > wrote in message
news:0qtj04pa6a1iofs61bp9u5bm6d5ui7rjfu@4ax . com ...
> Since I have hopefully resolved the concrete pad issue I was wondering
> just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
> before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
> the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
> don't want to stir the pot some more with them because the concrete
> was far worse and more of a visual annoyance because it was so bad.
>
> I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
> our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
> Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
> after only 5 months.
>
> It's as thick as it is because they brought too much out and had to
> put it somewhere.
>
> I am so fed up with this crap I am on the verge of just calling an
> Attorney because of all the issues. A handshake and verbal promise to
> fix things used to be all you needed. Now it's a little bit iffy.
>
> Roscoe aka Rick
>
>
>
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.
Re: Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
On Apr 19, 9:32 am, "jloomis" <jloo...@ocean . net > wrote:
> I would expect "cold joints" similiar to concrete if there is an issue to
> expansion and contractoin.
> Instead of cracking, the joint is where the movement takes place.
> What do I know. It "helps" with concrete. Asphalt may be different.
> The subgrade prep is most important also.
> I always tell my customers when I pour a concrete slab........
> I will guarantee 2 things..........
> The concrete will crack......
> I do not know where......
> All we can do is minimize, and guess with joints(tooled), expansion joints=
,
> etc.
> jloomis
> "Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I wont see it . net > wrote in messagenews:0qtj=
04pa6a1iofs61bp9u5bm6d5ui7rjfu@4ax . com ...
>
>
>
> > Since I have hopefully resolved the concrete pad issue I was wondering
> > just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
> > before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
> > the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
> > don't want to stir the pot some more with them because the concrete
> > was far worse and more of a visual annoyance because it was so bad.
>
> > I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
> > our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
> > Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
> > after only 5 months.
>
> > It's as thick as it is because they brought too much out and had to
> > put it somewhere.
>
> > I am so fed up with this crap I am on the verge of just calling an
> > Attorney because of all the issues. A handshake and verbal promise to
> > fix things used to be all you needed. Now it's a little bit iffy.
>
> > Roscoe aka Rick
>
> > Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> > the more people assume you have.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
thank-you JLoomis!
We have finished concrete for over twenty years,my husband and i,
always the question, will you garauntee it won't crack. always the
answer....nope, gaaruntee it will!!
as for asphalt, as was said, adequate sub-grade prep is the key.
didn't you say that the contractor had driven on the concrete slab?
did they drive on the asphalt too, which you can as opposed to
concrete, but i believe 24 hrs is the time frame, depending on the
weather. did they compact the sub-grade? have you searched on-line for
answers anywhere else? and i have never seen a control joint in
asphalt, different type of material, different application. think of
all the parking lots youv'e seen.
rose, and yes, i am a female finisher!!
* w w w .apoc . com /faq results.aspx?id=2
check this site for some info, please. and good luck!! with the
contractors i mean.
On Apr 19, 9:32 am, "jloomis" <jloo...@ocean . net > wrote:
> I would expect "cold joints" similiar to concrete if there is an issue to
> expansion and contractoin.
> Instead of cracking, the joint is where the movement takes place.
> What do I know. It "helps" with concrete. Asphalt may be different.
> The subgrade prep is most important also.
> I always tell my customers when I pour a concrete slab........
> I will guarantee 2 things..........
> The concrete will crack......
> I do not know where......
> All we can do is minimize, and guess with joints(tooled), expansion joints=
,
> etc.
> jloomis
> "Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I wont see it . net > wrote in messagenews:0qtj=
04pa6a1iofs61bp9u5bm6d5ui7rjfu@4ax . com ...
>
>
>
> > Since I have hopefully resolved the concrete pad issue I was wondering
> > just how long I could expect a 3-4" asphalt drive to stay intact
> > before cracking here in cold Minnesota. I asked the company who did
> > the work because all the way across a 18' wide part it has cracked. I
> > don't want to stir the pot some more with them because the concrete
> > was far worse and more of a visual annoyance because it was so bad.
>
> > I had other drives that never cracked at all. They told me because of
> > our really cold Winter this year it happened. We have had other COLD
> > Winters. I just thought I would ask those in the biz if this is normal
> > after only 5 months.
>
> > It's as thick as it is because they brought too much out and had to
> > put it somewhere.
>
> > I am so fed up with this crap I am on the verge of just calling an
> > Attorney because of all the issues. A handshake and verbal promise to
> > fix things used to be all you needed. Now it's a little bit iffy.
>
> > Roscoe aka Rick
>
> > Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> > the more people assume you have.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
thank-you JLoomis!
We have finished concrete for over twenty years,my husband and i,
always the question, will you garauntee it won't crack. always the
answer....nope, gaaruntee it will!!
as for asphalt, as was said, adequate sub-grade prep is the key.
didn't you say that the contractor had driven on the concrete slab?
did they drive on the asphalt too, which you can as opposed to
concrete, but i believe 24 hrs is the time frame, depending on the
weather. did they compact the sub-grade? have you searched on-line for
answers anywhere else? and i have never seen a control joint in
asphalt, different type of material, different application. think of
all the parking lots youv'e seen.
rose, and yes, i am a female finisher!!
* w w w .apoc . com /faq results.aspx?id=2
check this site for some info, please. and good luck!! with the
contractors i mean.
Re: Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
(snipped)
Yes, they had prepped the area and compacted it. I had to leave at
that point.
You guys who do concrete are telling the truth about concrete (will
crack) I know that but I was somewhat curious about a crack across the
entire asphalt drive in so short a period.
Rose, we used an adjacent driveway and I believe we did not drive on
the asphalt for a week if I recall. When I got back home that day they
did the asphalt portion, they were parked doing nuttin' on the new
concrete with the rollers. 1 large 1 smaller. Probably should have
been packing/rolling it but you know how it goes when the job supe
leaves.
There are lots of visually different looking areas, some smooth, some
with open, crevice like spots.
Thanks for the info.
Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.
(snipped)
Yes, they had prepped the area and compacted it. I had to leave at
that point.
You guys who do concrete are telling the truth about concrete (will
crack) I know that but I was somewhat curious about a crack across the
entire asphalt drive in so short a period.
Rose, we used an adjacent driveway and I believe we did not drive on
the asphalt for a week if I recall. When I got back home that day they
did the asphalt portion, they were parked doing nuttin' on the new
concrete with the rollers. 1 large 1 smaller. Probably should have
been packing/rolling it but you know how it goes when the job supe
leaves.
There are lots of visually different looking areas, some smooth, some
with open, crevice like spots.
Thanks for the info.
Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.
Re: Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it . net > wrote in message
news:beam0456ldggvafu7p57u24rh64an7482i@4ax . com ...
> (snipped)
>
>
> There are lots of visually different looking areas, some smooth, some
> with open, crevice like spots.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.
For starters, bituminous concrete is a flexible pavement (as opposed to
portland cement concrete), minor flaws in subbase preparation may cause a
depression, no cracks.
You mentioned different textures, a couple of likely causes for this are, 1.
material from the plant differed, i.e., sloppy batching, 2. Material was
allowed to cool too much before placement and initial rolling. A crack
across the entire width suggests that it may have been a stop/start location
with less than ideal joint preparation or finishing. If the whole thing was
done in one day there is no need to tack coat the joints, but temperature is
critical. Asphalt can be shoveled or raked long after the temp. drops too
much ( about 275F most mixes should leave the plant at about 325F) to
achieve acceptable compaction and finish.
Tom
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it . net > wrote in message
news:beam0456ldggvafu7p57u24rh64an7482i@4ax . com ...
> (snipped)
>
>
> There are lots of visually different looking areas, some smooth, some
> with open, crevice like spots.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.
For starters, bituminous concrete is a flexible pavement (as opposed to
portland cement concrete), minor flaws in subbase preparation may cause a
depression, no cracks.
You mentioned different textures, a couple of likely causes for this are, 1.
material from the plant differed, i.e., sloppy batching, 2. Material was
allowed to cool too much before placement and initial rolling. A crack
across the entire width suggests that it may have been a stop/start location
with less than ideal joint preparation or finishing. If the whole thing was
done in one day there is no need to tack coat the joints, but temperature is
critical. Asphalt can be shoveled or raked long after the temp. drops too
much ( about 275F most mixes should leave the plant at about 325F) to
achieve acceptable compaction and finish.
Tom
Re: Concrete guy with issue has an Asphalt question from you experts
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:10:05 GMT, "Tom Cular" <thomcu@verizon . net >
wrote:
>
>"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it . net > wrote in message
>news:beam0456ldggvafu7p57u24rh64an7482i@4ax . com ...
>> (snipped)
>>
>>
>> There are lots of visually different looking areas, some smooth, some
>> with open, crevice like spots.
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
>> the more people assume you have.
>
>For starters, bituminous concrete is a flexible pavement (as opposed to
>portland cement concrete), minor flaws in subbase preparation may cause a
>depression, no cracks.
>
>You mentioned different textures, a couple of likely causes for this are, 1.
>material from the plant differed, i.e., sloppy batching, 2. Material was
>allowed to cool too much before placement and initial rolling. A crack
>across the entire width suggests that it may have been a stop/start location
>with less than ideal joint preparation or finishing. If the whole thing was
>done in one day there is no need to tack coat the joints, but temperature is
>critical. Asphalt can be shoveled or raked long after the temp. drops too
>much ( about 275F most mixes should leave the plant at about 325F) to
>achieve acceptable compaction and finish.
>
>Tom
>
>
Sorry for late thanks for the information but consider it greatly
appreciated.
Rick
Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:10:05 GMT, "Tom Cular" <thomcu@verizon . net >
wrote:
>
>"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it . net > wrote in message
>news:beam0456ldggvafu7p57u24rh64an7482i@4ax . com ...
>> (snipped)
>>
>>
>> There are lots of visually different looking areas, some smooth, some
>> with open, crevice like spots.
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
>> the more people assume you have.
>
>For starters, bituminous concrete is a flexible pavement (as opposed to
>portland cement concrete), minor flaws in subbase preparation may cause a
>depression, no cracks.
>
>You mentioned different textures, a couple of likely causes for this are, 1.
>material from the plant differed, i.e., sloppy batching, 2. Material was
>allowed to cool too much before placement and initial rolling. A crack
>across the entire width suggests that it may have been a stop/start location
>with less than ideal joint preparation or finishing. If the whole thing was
>done in one day there is no need to tack coat the joints, but temperature is
>critical. Asphalt can be shoveled or raked long after the temp. drops too
>much ( about 275F most mixes should leave the plant at about 325F) to
>achieve acceptable compaction and finish.
>
>Tom
>
>
Sorry for late thanks for the information but consider it greatly
appreciated.
Rick
Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.
