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Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 10:25=EF=BF=BDam, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 8:10=EF=BF=BDpm, Wayne Whitney <whit...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:=
>
> > On 2008-04-08, hall...@aol,com <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > again please post a link that says 20% go up the chimney........
> > > please a link....... please........ all i see is someone stating it
> > > must be....
>
> > Take a look at < http :// www .aceee.org/consumerguide/waterheating.htm>,
> > in particular the life-cycle costs comparison. =EF=BF=BDThis shows a typ=
ical
> > gas tank water heater has an energy factor of 0.60, and a typical gas
> > tankless has an energy factor of 0.80. =EF=BF=BDThe difference of 20%
> > represents the standby losses. =EF=BF=BDPrior computations suggest that =
of
> > those standby losses, 7% represents the loss through the tank
> > insulation, and 13% represents the loss through the gas flue.
>
> > Cheers, Wayne
>
> Hey Hallerb, here it is, read and learn.
look all along you have been posting 20% up flue but your own link
says.......
", 7% represents the loss through the tank
> > insulation, and 13% represents the loss through the gas flue.
> "
since stanby helps heat your home in the winter, only 13% is actually
lost.
does your tankless have a pilot, if so the government says your saving
nothing........ this is highly likely since you stated your tankless
works in a power failure
if your home uses a lot of water the standby time is less, and your
tankless saves little, according to the government link here
On Apr 9, 10:25=EF=BF=BDam, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 8:10=EF=BF=BDpm, Wayne Whitney <whit...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:=
>
> > On 2008-04-08, hall...@aol,com <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > again please post a link that says 20% go up the chimney........
> > > please a link....... please........ all i see is someone stating it
> > > must be....
>
> > Take a look at < http :// www .aceee.org/consumerguide/waterheating.htm>,
> > in particular the life-cycle costs comparison. =EF=BF=BDThis shows a typ=
ical
> > gas tank water heater has an energy factor of 0.60, and a typical gas
> > tankless has an energy factor of 0.80. =EF=BF=BDThe difference of 20%
> > represents the standby losses. =EF=BF=BDPrior computations suggest that =
of
> > those standby losses, 7% represents the loss through the tank
> > insulation, and 13% represents the loss through the gas flue.
>
> > Cheers, Wayne
>
> Hey Hallerb, here it is, read and learn.
look all along you have been posting 20% up flue but your own link
says.......
", 7% represents the loss through the tank
> > insulation, and 13% represents the loss through the gas flue.
> "
since stanby helps heat your home in the winter, only 13% is actually
lost.
does your tankless have a pilot, if so the government says your saving
nothing........ this is highly likely since you stated your tankless
works in a power failure
if your home uses a lot of water the standby time is less, and your
tankless saves little, according to the government link here
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 8, 6:25 pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> > 1 - At least one regular poster here continually mentions the winter
> > benefit of heat loss without regard to where the water heater is
> > located and totally ignores the AC impact in the summer.
>
> > 2 - Most water heaters are not located in a conditioned space.
>
> > 3 - In the grand scheme of things, this whole heat loss benefit is a
> > nit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> most water heaters are in basements, heat rises, so standby losses
> help heat your home. or in a closet on a living floor, again standby
> loss heats its suroundings, thats where you live.
>
> again please post a link that says 20% go up the chimney........
> please a link....... please........ all i see is someone stating it
> must be....
>
> since the cost beween a regular tank and a tankless can easily be a
> grand, that $ could be spent for added insulation and weatherstripping
Gee mine was 500 with TAX, what a missinformed negative puts you are.
On Apr 8, 6:25 pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> > 1 - At least one regular poster here continually mentions the winter
> > benefit of heat loss without regard to where the water heater is
> > located and totally ignores the AC impact in the summer.
>
> > 2 - Most water heaters are not located in a conditioned space.
>
> > 3 - In the grand scheme of things, this whole heat loss benefit is a
> > nit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> most water heaters are in basements, heat rises, so standby losses
> help heat your home. or in a closet on a living floor, again standby
> loss heats its suroundings, thats where you live.
>
> again please post a link that says 20% go up the chimney........
> please a link....... please........ all i see is someone stating it
> must be....
>
> since the cost beween a regular tank and a tankless can easily be a
> grand, that $ could be spent for added insulation and weatherstripping
Gee mine was 500 with TAX, what a missinformed negative puts you are.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
"ransley" wrote
> > 1 - At least one regular poster here continually mentions the winter
> > benefit of heat loss without regard to where the water heater is
> > located and totally ignores the AC impact in the summer.
Actually I didnt mention that but I'll add I 'seem' to get a *small* benefit
there. It isnt much but in the garage, which is cold in winter, a small
amount of heat is added by it. Being in the garage, it's effect on the AC
of the house in summer is negligible.
Mine is nearing end of life cycle so I'm reading the discussion carefully
and looking at replacement units. Newer ones are much better than my old
one.
I note several tank types around 400$ or less which would effectively
replace the existing unit with same style but more efficient, and lots of
tankless systems.
Running through the web page another posted, I seem to be the 'break even'
on gas price to run here with a slight edge to a tank type. The only real
difference seems to be how long the units last? That and a slight residual
heat generated to the garage which in winter for me, is a beneficial but
minor 'nice' towards the tank type.
"ransley" wrote
> > 1 - At least one regular poster here continually mentions the winter
> > benefit of heat loss without regard to where the water heater is
> > located and totally ignores the AC impact in the summer.
Actually I didnt mention that but I'll add I 'seem' to get a *small* benefit
there. It isnt much but in the garage, which is cold in winter, a small
amount of heat is added by it. Being in the garage, it's effect on the AC
of the house in summer is negligible.
Mine is nearing end of life cycle so I'm reading the discussion carefully
and looking at replacement units. Newer ones are much better than my old
one.
I note several tank types around 400$ or less which would effectively
replace the existing unit with same style but more efficient, and lots of
tankless systems.
Running through the web page another posted, I seem to be the 'break even'
on gas price to run here with a slight edge to a tank type. The only real
difference seems to be how long the units last? That and a slight residual
heat generated to the garage which in winter for me, is a beneficial but
minor 'nice' towards the tank type.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 12:02 pm, "cshenk" <cshe...@cox,net > wrote:
> "ransley" wrote
>
> > > 1 - At least one regular poster here continually mentions the winter
> > > benefit of heat loss without regard to where the water heater is
> > > located and totally ignores the AC impact in the summer.
>
> Actually I didnt mention that but I'll add I 'seem' to get a *small* benefit
> there. It isnt much but in the garage, which is cold in winter, a small
> amount of heat is added by it. Being in the garage, it's effect on the AC
> of the house in summer is negligible.
>
> Mine is nearing end of life cycle so I'm reading the discussion carefully
> and looking at replacement units. Newer ones are much better than my old
> one.
>
> I note several tank types around 400$ or less which would effectively
> replace the existing unit with same style but more efficient, and lots of
> tankless systems.
>
> Running through the web page another posted, I seem to be the 'break even'
> on gas price to run here with a slight edge to a tank type. The only real
> difference seems to be how long the units last? That and a slight residual
> heat generated to the garage which in winter for me, is a beneficial but
> minor 'nice' towards the tank type.
New tankless may last 30-40yrs +. a copper pipe, finned is the
Exchanger, your answer is how long do your copper pipes last, 60
years ??
On Apr 9, 12:02 pm, "cshenk" <cshe...@cox,net > wrote:
> "ransley" wrote
>
> > > 1 - At least one regular poster here continually mentions the winter
> > > benefit of heat loss without regard to where the water heater is
> > > located and totally ignores the AC impact in the summer.
>
> Actually I didnt mention that but I'll add I 'seem' to get a *small* benefit
> there. It isnt much but in the garage, which is cold in winter, a small
> amount of heat is added by it. Being in the garage, it's effect on the AC
> of the house in summer is negligible.
>
> Mine is nearing end of life cycle so I'm reading the discussion carefully
> and looking at replacement units. Newer ones are much better than my old
> one.
>
> I note several tank types around 400$ or less which would effectively
> replace the existing unit with same style but more efficient, and lots of
> tankless systems.
>
> Running through the web page another posted, I seem to be the 'break even'
> on gas price to run here with a slight edge to a tank type. The only real
> difference seems to be how long the units last? That and a slight residual
> heat generated to the garage which in winter for me, is a beneficial but
> minor 'nice' towards the tank type.
New tankless may last 30-40yrs +. a copper pipe, finned is the
Exchanger, your answer is how long do your copper pipes last, 60
years ??
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On 2008-04-08, hallerb@aol,com <hallerb@aol,com > wrote:
> plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
I don't understand this criticism, we've been over this before. The
energy factor of typical gas tankless is 0.80 and the energy factor of
a typical gas tank is 0.60. The difference, 20% of the theoretical
heat value of the gas used, is the standby losses. Most of the
standby losses go up the central flue of a conventional gas tank water
heater, as there can't be any insulation between the flue and the hot
water.
Yours, Wayne
On 2008-04-08, hallerb@aol,com <hallerb@aol,com > wrote:
> plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
I don't understand this criticism, we've been over this before. The
energy factor of typical gas tankless is 0.80 and the energy factor of
a typical gas tank is 0.60. The difference, 20% of the theoretical
heat value of the gas used, is the standby losses. Most of the
standby losses go up the central flue of a conventional gas tank water
heater, as there can't be any insulation between the flue and the hot
water.
Yours, Wayne
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f but my
> > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.
>
> > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I have a=
> > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" for
> > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > every year.
>
> > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to
> > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving money
>
> > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bottom,
> > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, and
> > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a tank.- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> you said above
>
> "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> every year"
>
> then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through mine.=
> ""
>
> frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve is
> way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, which
> isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
flush.
Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was posted
here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post
On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f but my
> > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.
>
> > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I have a=
> > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" for
> > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > every year.
>
> > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to
> > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving money
>
> > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bottom,
> > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, and
> > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a tank.- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> you said above
>
> "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> every year"
>
> then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through mine.=
> ""
>
> frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve is
> way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, which
> isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
flush.
Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was posted
here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > .
>
> > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f but my=
> > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.
>
> > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I have=
a
> > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" for
> > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > every year.
>
> > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to
> > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving money
>
> > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bottom,
> > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, and
> > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a tank.=
- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > you said above
>
> > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > every year"
>
> > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through min=
e.
> > ""
>
> > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve is
> > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, which
> > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> flush.
>
> =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was posted
> here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
> to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......
On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > .
>
> > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f but my=
> > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.
>
> > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I have=
a
> > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" for
> > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > every year.
>
> > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to
> > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving money
>
> > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bottom,
> > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, and
> > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a tank.=
- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > you said above
>
> > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > every year"
>
> > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through min=
e.
> > ""
>
> > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve is
> > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, which
> > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> flush.
>
> =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was posted
> here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
> to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > .
>
> > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f but =
my
> > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.
>
> > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I ha=
ve a
> > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" for=
> > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > > every year.
>
> > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to
> > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving mone=
y
>
> > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bottom,=
> > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, an=
d
> > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a tan=
k.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you said above
>
> > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > every year"
>
> > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through m=
ine.
> > > ""
>
> > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve is
> > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, which
> > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > flush.
>
> > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was poste=
d
> > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
> > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide quo=
ted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
bill.
Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 yr
life, Tanks are not.
On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > .
>
> > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f but =
my
> > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.
>
> > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I ha=
ve a
> > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" for=
> > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > > every year.
>
> > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to
> > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving mone=
y
>
> > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bottom,=
> > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, an=
d
> > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a tan=
k.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you said above
>
> > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > every year"
>
> > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through m=
ine.
> > > ""
>
> > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve is
> > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, which
> > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but
> > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > flush.
>
> > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was poste=
d
> > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
> > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide quo=
ted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
bill.
Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 yr
life, Tanks are not.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > .
>
> > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f bu=
t my
> > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.=
>
> > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I =
have a
> > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" f=
or
> > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed=
> > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to=
> > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving mo=
ney
>
> > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the botto=
m,
> > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, =
and
> > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a t=
ank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you said above
>
> > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > > every year"
>
> > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through=
mine.
> > > > ""
>
> > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve i=
s
> > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, whic=
h
> > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but=
> > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > flush.
>
> > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was pos=
ted
> > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
> > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide q=
uoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> bill.
>
> =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 yr=
> life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
chimney said 13 % up chimney.
so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????
On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > .
>
> > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp rise
> > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f bu=
t my
> > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastefull.=
>
> > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But I =
have a
> > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive" f=
or
> > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy and
> > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed=
> > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit to=
> > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is near
> > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving mo=
ney
>
> > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the botto=
m,
> > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that, =
and
> > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a t=
ank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you said above
>
> > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushed
> > > > every year"
>
> > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away through=
mine.
> > > > ""
>
> > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve i=
s
> > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, whic=
h
> > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss but=
> > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > flush.
>
> > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was pos=
ted
> > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attempt
> > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide q=
uoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> bill.
>
> =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 yr=
> life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
chimney said 13 % up chimney.
so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On 2008-04-09, hallerb@aol,com <hallerb@aol,com > wrote:
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
First, I am the source of the 13% up the chimney number. That is just
a rough estimate based on the total 20% standby losses of a gas tank
(gas tankless EF 0.80 - gas tank EF 0.60) compared to the 7% standby
losses of an efficient electric heater (0.98 EF of an electric
tankless - 0.91 EF of an electric tank). The difference is
attributable to the flue on a conventional gas tank.
But the 20% standby losses is the more important figure. The losses
through the tank periphery are still losses--they can only be
considered otherwise if the tank is in conditioned space and you are
in a heating-only climate.
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????
No, there's maybe only one model on the market today with a pilot
light, out of tens of models.
Wayne
On 2008-04-09, hallerb@aol,com <hallerb@aol,com > wrote:
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
First, I am the source of the 13% up the chimney number. That is just
a rough estimate based on the total 20% standby losses of a gas tank
(gas tankless EF 0.80 - gas tank EF 0.60) compared to the 7% standby
losses of an efficient electric heater (0.98 EF of an electric
tankless - 0.91 EF of an electric tank). The difference is
attributable to the flue on a conventional gas tank.
But the 20% standby losses is the more important figure. The losses
through the tank periphery are still losses--they can only be
considered otherwise if the tank is in conditioned space and you are
in a heating-only climate.
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????
No, there's maybe only one model on the market today with a pilot
light, out of tens of models.
Wayne
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp ris=
e
> > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f =
but my
> > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wasteful=
l.
>
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But =
I have a
> > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive"=
for
> > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy an=
d
> > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flush=
ed
> > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit =
to
> > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is nea=
r
> > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving =
money
>
> > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bot=
tom,
> > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that=
, and
> > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a=
tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushe=
d
> > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away throu=
gh mine.
> > > > > ""
>
> > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve=
is
> > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, wh=
ich
> > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss b=
ut
> > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > > flush.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was p=
osted
> > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attemp=
t
> > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > bill.
>
> > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 =
yr
> > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Im not showing you anything, its there in print, The only ignorant
one Is you Hallerb. Learn to Google and post fact.
Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
last, 50 Years ? 60? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
design and is published.
Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
BS ,
No my tankless has battery ignition, pilotless, works without AC.
Batteries last 2 years. dual D cell.
Fact I save 12$ a month with tankless, or $144 a year. In 5 years it
will be I bet 288 is the price. My 117000 Btu Bosch cost 500 with tax,
and maybe 200 install, My parents 40gal NG tank cost the same , But I
am saving and Hallerb you aint, so wake up or shut up your insanity.
On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp ris=
e
> > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f =
but my
> > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wasteful=
l.
>
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But =
I have a
> > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive"=
for
> > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy an=
d
> > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flush=
ed
> > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit =
to
> > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is nea=
r
> > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving =
money
>
> > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bot=
tom,
> > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that=
, and
> > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a=
tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushe=
d
> > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away throu=
gh mine.
> > > > > ""
>
> > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve=
is
> > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, wh=
ich
> > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss b=
ut
> > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > > flush.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was p=
osted
> > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attemp=
t
> > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > bill.
>
> > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 =
yr
> > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Im not showing you anything, its there in print, The only ignorant
one Is you Hallerb. Learn to Google and post fact.
Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
last, 50 Years ? 60? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
design and is published.
Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
BS ,
No my tankless has battery ignition, pilotless, works without AC.
Batteries last 2 years. dual D cell.
Fact I save 12$ a month with tankless, or $144 a year. In 5 years it
will be I bet 288 is the price. My 117000 Btu Bosch cost 500 with tax,
and maybe 200 install, My parents 40gal NG tank cost the same , But I
am saving and Hallerb you aint, so wake up or shut up your insanity.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp r=
ise
> > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106=
f but my
> > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastef=
ull.
>
> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. Bu=
t I have a
> > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensiv=
e" for
> > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy =
and
> > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flu=
shed
> > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefi=
t to
> > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is n=
ear
> > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR yea=
r
> > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am savin=
g money
>
> > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over th=
e
> > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the b=
ottom,
> > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do th=
at, and
> > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with=
a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flus=
hed
> > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away thr=
ough mine.
> > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain val=
ve is
> > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, =
which
> > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss=
but
> > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have t=
o
> > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to=
> > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was=
posted
> > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and atte=
mpt
> > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger=
.
>
> > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about=
> > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet=
,
> > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is=
> > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > > bill.
>
> > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 3=
0 yr
> > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignorant
> one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
> last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
> design and is published.
>
> =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> BS ,
please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
long as the old ones did.....
will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
the warranty has expired?
your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............
On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp r=
ise
> > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106=
f but my
> > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastef=
ull.
>
> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. Bu=
t I have a
> > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensiv=
e" for
> > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy =
and
> > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flu=
shed
> > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefi=
t to
> > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is n=
ear
> > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR yea=
r
> > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am savin=
g money
>
> > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over th=
e
> > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the b=
ottom,
> > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do th=
at, and
> > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with=
a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flus=
hed
> > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away thr=
ough mine.
> > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain val=
ve is
> > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, =
which
> > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss=
but
> > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have t=
o
> > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to=
> > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was=
posted
> > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and atte=
mpt
> > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger=
.
>
> > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about=
> > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet=
,
> > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is=
> > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > > bill.
>
> > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 3=
0 yr
> > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignorant
> one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
> last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
> design and is published.
>
> =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> BS ,
please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
long as the old ones did.....
will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
the warranty has expired?
your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 7:48=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp=
rise
> > > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 1=
06f but my
> > > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wast=
efull.
>
> > > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. =
But I have a
> > > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expens=
ive" for
> > > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again eas=
y and
> > > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be f=
lushed
> > > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no bene=
fit to
> > > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is=
near
> > > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR y=
ear
> > > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am sav=
ing money
>
> > > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over =
the
> > > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the=
bottom,
> > > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do =
that, and
> > > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that wi=
th a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be fl=
ushed
> > > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away t=
hrough mine.
> > > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain v=
alve is
> > > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away=
, which
> > > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby lo=
ss but
> > > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have=
to
> > > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything =
to
> > > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it w=
as posted
> > > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and at=
tempt
> > > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet yo=
u
> > > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchang=
er.
>
> > > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in abo=
ut
> > > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it y=
et,
> > > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I=
> > > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose u=
p
> > > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill =
is
> > > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut m=
y
> > > > bill.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for=
30 yr
> > > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........=
>
> > > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignorant=
> > one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> > =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
> > last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
> > design and is published.
>
> > =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> > THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> > facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> > your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> > You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> > BS ,
>
> please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
> more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
> of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
> over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
> good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
> long as the old ones did.....
>
> will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
> the warranty has expired?
>
> your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
> when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
>
> so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> - Show quoted text -
Link - you do a google and refute me.............
On Apr 9, 7:48=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp=
rise
> > > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 1=
06f but my
> > > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wast=
efull.
>
> > > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. =
But I have a
> > > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expens=
ive" for
> > > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again eas=
y and
> > > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be f=
lushed
> > > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no bene=
fit to
> > > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is=
near
> > > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR y=
ear
> > > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am sav=
ing money
>
> > > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over =
the
> > > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the=
bottom,
> > > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do =
that, and
> > > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that wi=
th a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be fl=
ushed
> > > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away t=
hrough mine.
> > > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain v=
alve is
> > > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away=
, which
> > > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby lo=
ss but
> > > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have=
to
> > > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything =
to
> > > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it w=
as posted
> > > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and at=
tempt
> > > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet yo=
u
> > > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchang=
er.
>
> > > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in abo=
ut
> > > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it y=
et,
> > > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I=
> > > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose u=
p
> > > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill =
is
> > > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut m=
y
> > > > bill.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for=
30 yr
> > > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........=
>
> > > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignorant=
> > one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> > =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
> > last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
> > design and is published.
>
> > =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> > THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> > facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> > your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> > You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> > BS ,
>
> please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
> more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
> of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
> over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
> good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
> long as the old ones did.....
>
> will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
> the warranty has expired?
>
> your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
> when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
>
> so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> - Show quoted text -
Link - you do a google and refute me.............
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 7:48=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp=
rise
> > > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 1=
06f but my
> > > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wast=
efull.
>
> > > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. =
But I have a
> > > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expens=
ive" for
> > > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again eas=
y and
> > > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be f=
lushed
> > > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no bene=
fit to
> > > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is=
near
> > > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR y=
ear
> > > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am sav=
ing money
>
> > > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over =
the
> > > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the=
bottom,
> > > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do =
that, and
> > > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that wi=
th a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be fl=
ushed
> > > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away t=
hrough mine.
> > > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain v=
alve is
> > > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away=
, which
> > > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby lo=
ss but
> > > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have=
to
> > > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything =
to
> > > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it w=
as posted
> > > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and at=
tempt
> > > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet yo=
u
> > > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchang=
er.
>
> > > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in abo=
ut
> > > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it y=
et,
> > > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I=
> > > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose u=
p
> > > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill =
is
> > > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut m=
y
> > > > bill.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for=
30 yr
> > > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........=
>
> > > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignorant=
> > one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> > =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
> > last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
> > design and is published.
>
> > =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> > THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> > facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> > your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> > You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> > BS ,
>
> please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
> more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
> of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
> over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
> good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
> long as the old ones did.....
>
> will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
> the warranty has expired?
>
> your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
> when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
>
> so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shit mine is 10 years old and no issues, I dont care of your worries
im insatallin a new unit at a new location, so I save, so you piss it
away , go yourself and waste it Hal boy, you always have. Keep a
waisten Hal Boy.
On Apr 9, 7:48=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp=
rise
> > > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 1=
06f but my
> > > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wast=
efull.
>
> > > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. =
But I have a
> > > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expens=
ive" for
> > > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again eas=
y and
> > > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be f=
lushed
> > > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no bene=
fit to
> > > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is=
near
> > > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR y=
ear
> > > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am sav=
ing money
>
> > > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over =
the
> > > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the=
bottom,
> > > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do =
that, and
> > > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that wi=
th a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be fl=
ushed
> > > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away t=
hrough mine.
> > > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain v=
alve is
> > > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away=
, which
> > > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby lo=
ss but
> > > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have=
to
> > > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything =
to
> > > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it w=
as posted
> > > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and at=
tempt
> > > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet yo=
u
> > > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchang=
er.
>
> > > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in abo=
ut
> > > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it y=
et,
> > > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I=
> > > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose u=
p
> > > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill =
is
> > > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut m=
y
> > > > bill.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for=
30 yr
> > > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........=
>
> > > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignorant=
> > one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> > =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping
> > last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a
> > design and is published.
>
> > =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> > THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> > facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> > your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> > You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> > BS ,
>
> please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
> more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
> of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
> over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
> good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
> long as the old ones did.....
>
> will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
> the warranty has expired?
>
> your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
> when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
>
> so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shit mine is 10 years old and no issues, I dont care of your worries
im insatallin a new unit at a new location, so I save, so you piss it
away , go yourself and waste it Hal boy, you always have. Keep a
waisten Hal Boy.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 9:45=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 7:48=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wr=
ote:
>
> > > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f te=
mp rise
> > > > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over=
106f but my
> > > > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wa=
stefull.
>
> > > > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C=
. But I have a
> > > > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expe=
nsive" for
> > > > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again e=
asy and
> > > > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be=
flushed
> > > > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no be=
nefit to
> > > > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency =
is near
> > > > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR=
year
> > > > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am s=
aving money
>
> > > > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling ove=
r the
> > > > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at t=
he bottom,
> > > > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont d=
o that, and
> > > > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that =
with a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be =
flushed
> > > > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away=
through mine.
> > > > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain=
valve is
> > > > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime aw=
ay, which
> > > > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby =
loss but
> > > > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will ha=
ve to
> > > > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anythin=
g to
> > > > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it=
was posted
> > > > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and =
attempt
> > > > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quote=
d text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet =
you
> > > > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat excha=
nger.
>
> > > > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in a=
bout
> > > > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......=
- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it=
yet,
> > > > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove=
I
> > > > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose=
up
> > > > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bil=
l is
> > > > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut=
my
> > > > > bill.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated f=
or 30 yr
> > > > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.......=
..
>
> > > > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > > > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > > > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > > > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > > > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignora=
nt
> > > one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> > > =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping=
> > > last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a=
> > > design and is published.
>
> > > =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> > > THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> > > facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> > > your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> > > You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> > > BS ,
>
> > please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
> > more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
> > of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
> > over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
> > good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
> > long as the old ones did.....
>
> > will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
> > the warranty has expired?
>
> > your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
> > when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
>
> > so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............- Hide quoted tex=
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> Shit mine is 10 years old and no issues, I dont care of your worries
> im insatallin a new unit at a new location, so I save, so you piss it
> away , go yourself and waste it Hal boy, you always have. Keep a
> waisten Hal Boy.- Hide quoted text -
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ransley posts nothing but complaints, and refuses to post verified
links.....
he just talks like a authority, claims stuff but doesnt know what he
is talking about.........
On Apr 9, 9:45=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 7:48=C2=A0pm, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
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> > On Apr 9, 3:29=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
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> > > On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
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> > > > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
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> > > > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:=
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> > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wr=
ote:
>
> > > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f te=
mp rise
> > > > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over=
106f but my
> > > > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wa=
stefull.
>
> > > > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C=
. But I have a
> > > > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expe=
nsive" for
> > > > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again e=
asy and
> > > > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be=
flushed
> > > > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no be=
nefit to
> > > > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency =
is near
> > > > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR=
year
> > > > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am s=
aving money
>
> > > > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling ove=
r the
> > > > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at t=
he bottom,
> > > > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont d=
o that, and
> > > > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that =
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> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be =
flushed
> > > > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away=
through mine.
> > > > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain=
valve is
> > > > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime aw=
ay, which
> > > > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby =
loss but
> > > > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will ha=
ve to
> > > > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted =
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> > > > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anythin=
g to
> > > > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it=
was posted
> > > > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and =
attempt
> > > > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quote=
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> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet =
you
> > > > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat excha=
nger.
>
> > > > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in a=
bout
> > > > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......=
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> > > > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it=
yet,
> > > > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove=
I
> > > > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose=
up
> > > > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bil=
l is
> > > > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut=
my
> > > > > bill.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated f=
or 30 yr
> > > > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.......=
..
>
> > > > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > > > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > > > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > > > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > > > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
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> > > Im not showing you anything, its there in print, =C2=A0The only ignora=
nt
> > > one Is you Hallerb. =C2=A0Learn to Google and post fact.
>
> > > =C2=A0Tankless coil is just thick Copper pipe, What does copper piping=
> > > last, 50 Years ? =C2=A060? 80? go figure Mr Hallerb. 30 year life is a=
> > > design and is published.
>
> > > =C2=A0 Scale in tank, is there. I took out a 20 yr old tank with 13"
> > > THIRTEEN inches of scale, yes so the burner is heating Scale. The
> > > facts are there. there is something called Google you can search to
> > > your hearts desire to learn Facts, not the BS you keep ramping about.
> > > You are the one who is uninformed or to dam ignorant to keep posting
> > > BS ,
>
> > please post the link to the 30 year lifetime, a water heater is much
> > more than a copper coil of pipe, a modern no pilot tankless has lots
> > of electronic controls water use sensors etc that can go bad..... heck
> > over time technology changes a lot, with ICs your out of business. a
> > good example is modern high efficency furnaces, they dont last near as
> > long as the old ones did.....
>
> > will the manufacturer even stock a part at a reasonable price after
> > the warranty has expired?
>
> > your rose colored glasses must make everything a garden of eden, even
> > when its a swamp filled with hungry gators...
>
> > so google the 30 year lifetime, and post it............- Hide quoted tex=
t -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Shit mine is 10 years old and no issues, I dont care of your worries
> im insatallin a new unit at a new location, so I save, so you piss it
> away , go yourself and waste it Hal boy, you always have. Keep a
> waisten Hal Boy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ransley posts nothing but complaints, and refuses to post verified
links.....
he just talks like a authority, claims stuff but doesnt know what he
is talking about.........
