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Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp ris=
e
> > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f =
but my
> > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wasteful=
l.
>
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But =
I have a
> > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive"=
for
> > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy an=
d
> > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flush=
ed
> > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit =
to
> > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is nea=
r
> > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving =
money
>
> > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bot=
tom,
> > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that=
, and
> > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a=
tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushe=
d
> > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away throu=
gh mine.
> > > > > ""
>
> > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve=
is
> > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, wh=
ich
> > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss b=
ut
> > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > > flush.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was p=
osted
> > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attemp=
t
> > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > bill.
>
> > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 =
yr
> > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with coil
On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp ris=
e
> > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f =
but my
> > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wasteful=
l.
>
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But =
I have a
> > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive"=
for
> > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy an=
d
> > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flush=
ed
> > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit =
to
> > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is nea=
r
> > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving =
money
>
> > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bot=
tom,
> > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that=
, and
> > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a=
tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushe=
d
> > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away throu=
gh mine.
> > > > > ""
>
> > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve=
is
> > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, wh=
ich
> > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss b=
ut
> > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > > flush.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was p=
osted
> > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attemp=
t
> > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > bill.
>
> > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 =
yr
> > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with coil
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 8:50=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp r=
ise
> > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106=
f but my
> > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastef=
ull.
>
> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. Bu=
t I have a
> > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensiv=
e" for
> > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy =
and
> > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flu=
shed
> > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefi=
t to
> > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is n=
ear
> > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR yea=
r
> > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am savin=
g money
>
> > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over th=
e
> > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the b=
ottom,
> > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do th=
at, and
> > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with=
a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flus=
hed
> > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away thr=
ough mine.
> > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain val=
ve is
> > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, =
which
> > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss=
but
> > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have t=
o
> > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to=
> > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was=
posted
> > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and atte=
mpt
> > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger=
.
>
> > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about=
> > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet=
,
> > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is=
> > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > > bill.
>
> > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 3=
0 yr
> > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
> 30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with =C2=A0coil- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -
so show me the 30 year warranty or expected life............
bottom line you wouldnt because you cant......
calling names just demeanes you.
On Apr 9, 8:50=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp r=
ise
> > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106=
f but my
> > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastef=
ull.
>
> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. Bu=
t I have a
> > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensiv=
e" for
> > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy =
and
> > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flu=
shed
> > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefi=
t to
> > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is n=
ear
> > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR yea=
r
> > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am savin=
g money
>
> > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over th=
e
> > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the b=
ottom,
> > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do th=
at, and
> > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with=
a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flus=
hed
> > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away thr=
ough mine.
> > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain val=
ve is
> > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, =
which
> > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss=
but
> > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have t=
o
> > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to=
> > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was=
posted
> > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and atte=
mpt
> > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger=
.
>
> > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about=
> > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet=
,
> > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is=
> > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > > bill.
>
> > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 3=
0 yr
> > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
> 30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with =C2=A0coil- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -
so show me the 30 year warranty or expected life............
bottom line you wouldnt because you cant......
calling names just demeanes you.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home.
>> Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
>> 30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with coil- Hide quoted text
The longest tank heater warranty is the same as the longest tankless, 12
years.
http :// www .consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/heating-cooling-and-air/
water-heaters/waterheater-tips-205-gas-hot-water-heater-electric-hot-water-
heater/overview/
The expected life of a tankless system however is roughly double the
tank, and maintenance is cheaper. See
http :// www .eere.energy.gov/consumer/your_home/water_heating/index.cfm/
mytopic=12820
>> Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
>> 30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with coil- Hide quoted text
The longest tank heater warranty is the same as the longest tankless, 12
years.
http :// www .consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/heating-cooling-and-air/
water-heaters/waterheater-tips-205-gas-hot-water-heater-electric-hot-water-
heater/overview/
The expected life of a tankless system however is roughly double the
tank, and maintenance is cheaper. See
http :// www .eere.energy.gov/consumer/your_home/water_heating/index.cfm/
mytopic=12820
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 8:50=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp r=
ise
> > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106=
f but my
> > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastef=
ull.
>
> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. Bu=
t I have a
> > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensiv=
e" for
> > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy =
and
> > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flu=
shed
> > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefi=
t to
> > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is n=
ear
> > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR yea=
r
> > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am savin=
g money
>
> > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over th=
e
> > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the b=
ottom,
> > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do th=
at, and
> > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with=
a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flus=
hed
> > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away thr=
ough mine.
> > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain val=
ve is
> > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, =
which
> > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss=
but
> > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have t=
o
> > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to=
> > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was=
posted
> > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and atte=
mpt
> > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger=
.
>
> > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about=
> > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet=
,
> > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is=
> > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > > bill.
>
> > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 3=
0 yr
> > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
> 30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with =C2=A0coil- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i walked thru home depot, their longest warranty is on a standard tank
12 years. you can verify this easily, sears etc.
your turn show me a 30 year life for a modern tankless..........
ransley must own stock in a tankless manufacturer, that would explain
his rant.
my only point is to educate people before they buy a tankless so they
arent disappointed.
what they ultimately choose doesnt effect me either way.
but i dont rant and rave like ransley, who undewear must be in a wad:)
On Apr 9, 8:50=C2=A0pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:=
>
> > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp r=
ise
> > > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106=
f but my
> > > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wastef=
ull.
>
> > > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. Bu=
t I have a
> > > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensiv=
e" for
> > > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy =
and
> > > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flu=
shed
> > > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefi=
t to
> > > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is n=
ear
> > > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR yea=
r
> > > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am savin=
g money
>
> > > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over th=
e
> > > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the b=
ottom,
> > > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do th=
at, and
> > > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with=
a tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flus=
hed
> > > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away thr=
ough mine.
> > > > > > ""
>
> > > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain val=
ve is
> > > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, =
which
> > > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss=
but
> > > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have t=
o
> > > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to=
> > > > > flush.
>
> > > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was=
posted
> > > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and atte=
mpt
> > > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger=
.
>
> > > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about=
> > > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet=
,
> > > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is=
> > > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > > bill.
>
> > > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 3=
0 yr
> > > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> > show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> > the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> > chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> > so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> > DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Show me a tank with 10 year warranaty and I show you a tankkless with
> 30 year , wake up moron, tankless are pipe with =C2=A0coil- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i walked thru home depot, their longest warranty is on a standard tank
12 years. you can verify this easily, sears etc.
your turn show me a 30 year life for a modern tankless..........
ransley must own stock in a tankless manufacturer, that would explain
his rant.
my only point is to educate people before they buy a tankless so they
arent disappointed.
what they ultimately choose doesnt effect me either way.
but i dont rant and rave like ransley, who undewear must be in a wad:)
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp ris=
e
> > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f =
but my
> > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wasteful=
l.
>
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But =
I have a
> > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive"=
for
> > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy an=
d
> > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flush=
ed
> > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit =
to
> > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is nea=
r
> > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving =
money
>
> > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bot=
tom,
> > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that=
, and
> > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a=
tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushe=
d
> > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away throu=
gh mine.
> > > > > ""
>
> > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve=
is
> > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, wh=
ich
> > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss b=
ut
> > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > > flush.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was p=
osted
> > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attemp=
t
> > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > bill.
>
> > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 =
yr
> > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are a freakin moron--- learn to Google it might help your ignorance
On Apr 9, 9:49=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:44=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:35=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:18=C2=A0am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 9:30=C2=A0am, "hall...@aol,com " <hall...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > Here we go again the same missinformation, with 90-100f temp ris=
e
> > > > > > offered you cant have a cold shower, I cant shower at over 106f =
but my
> > > > > > unit takes 35f water and heats it to 125 if I was to be wasteful=
l.
>
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BDMine has battery ignition and regular vent-No A.C. But =
I have a
> > > > > > generator for my home for heat.
>
> > > > > > It took me 5 hrs to install, but I guess thats "super expensive"=
for
> > > > > > you. I put in 3/4 gas but that was only 1 hr work, again easy an=
d
> > > > > > cheap, my meter is original.
>
> > > > > > Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flush=
ed
> > > > > > every year.
>
> > > > > > 20% of your loss is waste-up the chimney and out, of no benefit =
to
> > > > > > anyone but your gas supplier since true overall efficency is nea=
r
> > > > > > 50-60% in " Energy Factor" proven ratings
>
> > > > > > I paid about 500$ for a Bosch 117000btu unit, I get a FOUR year
> > > > > > payback, I hardly see the 3-4x cost of waste, I see I am saving =
money
>
> > > > > > Tank, loose efficency every year due yo scale settling over the
> > > > > > burner, just as my last tank had over a foot of scale at the bot=
tom,
> > > > > > its efficency was probably reduced 20-40%, tankless dont do that=
, and
> > > > > > its easy to pour lime away through mine. You cant do that with a=
tank.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > you said above
>
> > > > > "Tankless require no "service" but tanks are supposed to be flushe=
d
> > > > > every year"
>
> > > > > then talk of pouring lime away thru yours
>
> > > > > "tankless dont do that, and =C2=A0its easy to pour lime away throu=
gh mine.
> > > > > ""
>
> > > > > frankly draing a little bit of water out of the bottom drain valve=
is
> > > > > way easier than taking the plumbing apart to pour in lime away, wh=
ich
> > > > > isnt cheap, and then flush it out somehow.
>
> > > > > plus you always talk of 20% going up the chimney as standby loss b=
ut
> > > > > refuse to supply a link to verify that:(
>
> > > > > people who go tankless have spent so much money they will have to
> > > > > convince themselves it was a good move........- Hide quoted text -=
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have two valves I open with spigots, no taking apart anything to
> > > > flush.
>
> > > > =C2=A0Look Hallerb Energy Factor is a rating, research it , it was p=
osted
> > > > here on all tanks made I did not post it, learn to Google and attemp=
t
> > > > to disprove me, you cant, can you. Learn then post- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > you specifically said tankless require no service.......... yet you
> > > installed service valves and must clean crud from the heat exchanger.
>
> > > i buy a new tank, install and forget about it till it leaks in about
> > > 10 years, well i may wipe dust off the cover occasionally.......- Hide=
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =C2=A0I have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,
> > with 9$ total NG bill in summer, including gas dryer and gas stove I
> > know its not limed up yet. BUT IT IS a fact tanks scale, and loose up
> > to 3 % effeciency every year to scale. It is also a fact my Ng bill is
> > 50% more where I am now with a tank, tankless worked for me to cut my
> > bill.
>
> > =C2=A0Here is something else to piss you off, tankless are rated for 30 =
yr
> > life, Tanks are not.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> show me a 30 year link, longest tankless warranty is 10 years.........
>
> show me a link to 3% a year to scale buildup..........
>
> the last link you posted in my response to your claim 20% went up
> chimney said 13 % up chimney.
>
> so more links please to prove you dont know whats up
>
> DOES YOUR TANKLESS HAVE A PILOT LIGHT???????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are a freakin moron--- learn to Google it might help your ignorance
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
This thread is worse than Chinese spam, and that is saying something!
If you finish up by
email, you can type dirty words and really vent :o)
This thread is worse than Chinese spam, and that is saying something!
If you finish up by
email, you can type dirty words and really vent :o)
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
>
> =EF=BF=BDI have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,=
so how many tankless did you install? you said them............
them is plural..........
but quote 500 bucks, which is suspiciously low.
please post which tankless you installed for 500 bucks each.
>
> =EF=BF=BDI have them installed, I never flushed it, it doesnt need it yet,=
so how many tankless did you install? you said them............
them is plural..........
but quote 500 bucks, which is suspiciously low.
please post which tankless you installed for 500 bucks each.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 childre
the best solution really again falls back on supervision and discipline.
(something parents don't think they have to do anymore) Make rules and
enforce them. Teenager showers are 5 minutes long. Period. No hot water
problem, no outrageous water bills, no septic problems. (for those on
septics). We raised 2 boys and had countless others living with us over the
years and made do just fine on a gas 40 gallon unit.
and the tankless boys can stick them. I like HOT water. Not lukewarm
water.
s
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com >
wrote in message news:VMsKj.891$NM.653@trnddc01...
>
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
>
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
> Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
> *insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
>
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
>
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
>
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
>
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
>
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
>
> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
>
>
>
>
the best solution really again falls back on supervision and discipline.
(something parents don't think they have to do anymore) Make rules and
enforce them. Teenager showers are 5 minutes long. Period. No hot water
problem, no outrageous water bills, no septic problems. (for those on
septics). We raised 2 boys and had countless others living with us over the
years and made do just fine on a gas 40 gallon unit.
and the tankless boys can stick them. I like HOT water. Not lukewarm
water.
s
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com >
wrote in message news:VMsKj.891$NM.653@trnddc01...
>
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
>
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
> Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
> *insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
>
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
>
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
>
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
>
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
>
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
>
> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
>
>
>
>
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 childre
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:24:05 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
>hear is ok.
>
>But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
>complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
That should tell you something. Typically, I size a 40 gal for 2 or 3
people. 50 gal is usually 4,5 or 6 people. This is all subject to
their habits and personal water useage.
>
>Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
>*insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
Lots of builders use builder grade cabinets, hvac equipment, shingles,
etc., etc.
>
>But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
>showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
>Complete with those water saving disks etc.
Again.......doesnt that tell you something?
>
>1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
I would have to say yes, that overkill unless you have a hot tub or
some other strange excessive need of hot water.
>
>2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
Define large. More hot water WILL equate to more gas useage.
>
>3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
Not that I know of. You can usually buy the biggest house, car, boat,
plot of land or anything else you want if you have enough dough.
I could install 2 - 100 commercial gas water heaters for you if you'd
like as long as you are willing to part with about $8,000.
You wont run out of hot water though.
>
>4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
They dont pay me to advertise their brand so I choose what works best.
>
>I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
Yup
Bubba
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:24:05 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
>hear is ok.
>
>But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
>complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
That should tell you something. Typically, I size a 40 gal for 2 or 3
people. 50 gal is usually 4,5 or 6 people. This is all subject to
their habits and personal water useage.
>
>Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
>*insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
Lots of builders use builder grade cabinets, hvac equipment, shingles,
etc., etc.
>
>But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
>showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
>Complete with those water saving disks etc.
Again.......doesnt that tell you something?
>
>1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
I would have to say yes, that overkill unless you have a hot tub or
some other strange excessive need of hot water.
>
>2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
Define large. More hot water WILL equate to more gas useage.
>
>3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
Not that I know of. You can usually buy the biggest house, car, boat,
plot of land or anything else you want if you have enough dough.
I could install 2 - 100 commercial gas water heaters for you if you'd
like as long as you are willing to part with about $8,000.
You wont run out of hot water though.
>
>4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
They dont pay me to advertise their brand so I choose what works best.
>
>I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
Yup
Bubba
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 childre
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:06:55 -0400, Bubba <LiKeAlAkEremove@iname,com >
wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:24:05 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
><tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
>>hear is ok.
Often, it's not the tank that needs maintenance but the replaceable
cathodic protection rod that needs maintenance. In my little corner
of the world, the water is extremely hard and a lot of people use a
water softener or they replace the rods every 2-3 years. Whole lot
cheaper.
>>But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
>>complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
>That should tell you something. Typically, I size a 40 gal for 2 or 3
>people. 50 gal is usually 4,5 or 6 people. This is all subject to
>their habits and personal water useage.
I don't get it. For years, and I mean YEARS, much larger families
than this have made do with "only" a 40 gal tank (32 gal IMP). Simply
by timing their usage or taking shorter showers. Why is that a small
family of 4 has to resort to a second tank or larger tank in the first
place? Let the family live within their means. Consume less. Consume
smartly.
>>Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
>>*insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
I do too. But then again you are paying the bills. But push comes to
shove - if you have to upgrade because of the kids, just tell them
their allowance is cut off because they want their long steamy
showers. :)
>Lots of builders use builder grade cabinets, hvac equipment, shingles,
>etc., etc.
>>
>>But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
>>showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
>>Complete with those water saving disks etc.
Water low-flow shower heads are cheap compared to an second or
upgraded size tank. You may wish to go that route FIRST and then
determine what you have to do next.
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:06:55 -0400, Bubba <LiKeAlAkEremove@iname,com >
wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:24:05 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
><tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
>>hear is ok.
Often, it's not the tank that needs maintenance but the replaceable
cathodic protection rod that needs maintenance. In my little corner
of the world, the water is extremely hard and a lot of people use a
water softener or they replace the rods every 2-3 years. Whole lot
cheaper.
>>But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
>>complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
>That should tell you something. Typically, I size a 40 gal for 2 or 3
>people. 50 gal is usually 4,5 or 6 people. This is all subject to
>their habits and personal water useage.
I don't get it. For years, and I mean YEARS, much larger families
than this have made do with "only" a 40 gal tank (32 gal IMP). Simply
by timing their usage or taking shorter showers. Why is that a small
family of 4 has to resort to a second tank or larger tank in the first
place? Let the family live within their means. Consume less. Consume
smartly.
>>Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
>>*insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
I do too. But then again you are paying the bills. But push comes to
shove - if you have to upgrade because of the kids, just tell them
their allowance is cut off because they want their long steamy
showers. :)
>Lots of builders use builder grade cabinets, hvac equipment, shingles,
>etc., etc.
>>
>>But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
>>showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
>>Complete with those water saving disks etc.
Water low-flow shower heads are cheap compared to an second or
upgraded size tank. You may wish to go that route FIRST and then
determine what you have to do next.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 7, 1:24 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
>
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
> Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
> *insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
>
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
>
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
>
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
>
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
>
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
>
> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
Get an 80 gallon water heater. Check the efficiency rating tag on the
heater and get the most efficient one. Ignore all other comments --
sometimes you can get too much information.
On Apr 7, 1:24 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
>
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
> Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
> *insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
>
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
>
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
>
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
>
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
>
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
>
> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
Get an 80 gallon water heater. Check the efficiency rating tag on the
heater and get the most efficient one. Ignore all other comments --
sometimes you can get too much information.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
=2E
>
> Get an 80 gallon water heater. =EF=BF=BDCheck the efficiency rating tag on=
the
> heater and get the most efficient one. =EF=BF=BDIgnore all other comments =
--
> sometimes you can get too much information.
your far better off with a higher BTU tank........
incidently 2 tanks in series is best for added capacity....... but
doubles standby losses..
=2E
>
> Get an 80 gallon water heater. =EF=BF=BDCheck the efficiency rating tag on=
the
> heater and get the most efficient one. =EF=BF=BDIgnore all other comments =
--
> sometimes you can get too much information.
your far better off with a higher BTU tank........
incidently 2 tanks in series is best for added capacity....... but
doubles standby losses..
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 childre
In article <VMsKj.891$NM.653@trnddc01>,
"Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill?
Yes.
The 40-gallon water heater in our old house died just as our three
daughters "discovered" hot water.
I installed a 50-gallon. It was a PERFECT fit for the five of us.
In our next house, built in 1991 with one full and two 3/4 baths, we
have a 50-gallon heater and have virtually never run out of hot water.
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
Probably not a LARGE increase. Your hot water consumption is what it
is, whether it is delivered using a 40-gallon tank or an 80. The cost
to heat a gallon of water will be the same with either tank. It's the
standby loss that would make the biggest difference between the two
sizes.
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
I think they're all the same. Price difference will be dictated by
length of tank warranty and BTU input.
Have your plumber install his spec model 50. Done. Have fun!
--
:)
JR
In article <VMsKj.891$NM.653@trnddc01>,
"Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill?
Yes.
The 40-gallon water heater in our old house died just as our three
daughters "discovered" hot water.
I installed a 50-gallon. It was a PERFECT fit for the five of us.
In our next house, built in 1991 with one full and two 3/4 baths, we
have a 50-gallon heater and have virtually never run out of hot water.
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
Probably not a LARGE increase. Your hot water consumption is what it
is, whether it is delivered using a 40-gallon tank or an 80. The cost
to heat a gallon of water will be the same with either tank. It's the
standby loss that would make the biggest difference between the two
sizes.
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
I think they're all the same. Price difference will be dictated by
length of tank warranty and BTU input.
Have your plumber install his spec model 50. Done. Have fun!
--
:)
JR
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 children
On Apr 7, 12:24 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
>
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
> Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
> *insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
>
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
>
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
>
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
>
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
>
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
>
> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
Do you have water reducing shower heads and faucet strainers, Your
tank may not have the recovery or as I realy suspect, a waste of hot
water as in long showers and hw faucets run without concern. I would
not recommend a tankless with a large family that is not truely trying
to be conservative on water as it will likely cost more to heat with
tankless, Kids will do the 20 min shower. A 40 with faster recovery, a
bigger tank, will all work, so might education and conservation.
On Apr 7, 12:24 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail,com > wrote:
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
>
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
>
> Bur our builder (and all builder's we spoke to when looking to build)
> *insist* that 40 gallons is enough.
>
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
>
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
>
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
>
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
>
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
>
> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions.
Do you have water reducing shower heads and faucet strainers, Your
tank may not have the recovery or as I realy suspect, a waste of hot
water as in long showers and hw faucets run without concern. I would
not recommend a tankless with a large family that is not truely trying
to be conservative on water as it will likely cost more to heat with
tankless, Kids will do the 20 min shower. A 40 with faster recovery, a
bigger tank, will all work, so might education and conservation.
Re: 40 gal just not enough: Replacing water heater for 2400 sq home. Family of 2 adults + 2 childre
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
Should be 15 but if it's hard worked, perhaps 10 is ok.
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
40G is ok. Not optimal for long showers if there are several and need to
take them within 20 mins of each other (night time shower with several
kids).
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
Yup. If you can, go 50/60G. More is overkill.
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
Yes though it will let all 4 shower within minutes of each other.
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
Not with a mere 10-20G difference
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
Has more to do with construction of your place. If it has to fit in a
cabinet for example, that cabinet may not be sized safely to hold a larger
unit. There may be distance from the walls for example involved.
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
Sorry, cant answer. If it helps though I have a 40G GE 'Smart Saver' gas
hot water heater. I do have to be a bit careful to not take a shower or
bath right after running the dishwasher or another's shower. 20 mins seems
to work for the wait. It's 14 years old and i seem to recall the wait 10
years ago was about 10 mins so we may be getting near replacement time.
IT's in the garage so there is no space problem if we get a bigger one.
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote
> Ok, our 40 gal gas water heater is failing. About 10 years old, which I
> hear is ok.
Should be 15 but if it's hard worked, perhaps 10 is ok.
> But every time I talk to someone about their 40 gal water heater, they all
> complain that they run out of hot water (comparable size homes and kids).
40G is ok. Not optimal for long showers if there are several and need to
take them within 20 mins of each other (night time shower with several
kids).
> But we were always worried about running the wash or dishwasher before
> showering, or two long showers would result in the 2nd losing water.
> Complete with those water saving disks etc.
Yup. If you can, go 50/60G. More is overkill.
> 1. Is 80 gallons overkill? Perhaps I'm reacting viscerally.
Yes though it will let all 4 shower within minutes of each other.
> 2. Am I going to notice a large gas usage increase?
Not with a mere 10-20G difference
> 3. Are there rules in place limiting the water tank sizes?
Has more to do with construction of your place. If it has to fit in a
cabinet for example, that cabinet may not be sized safely to hold a larger
unit. There may be distance from the walls for example involved.
> 4. Are there any particular brands to look for or stay away from?
Sorry, cant answer. If it helps though I have a 40G GE 'Smart Saver' gas
hot water heater. I do have to be a bit careful to not take a shower or
bath right after running the dishwasher or another's shower. 20 mins seems
to work for the wait. It's 14 years old and i seem to recall the wait 10
years ago was about 10 mins so we may be getting near replacement time.
IT's in the garage so there is no space problem if we get a bigger one.
