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4th of July takes a 3rd great American
4th of July takes a 3rd great American
July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
Gob Bless America
Land that I Love
July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
Gob Bless America
Land that I Love
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
<spencerdogg@attbi,com > wrote in message
news:1e4d939c-97a0-4cc4-a377-a24a1cf405aa@z32g2000prh.googlegroups,com ...
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
If you loved Jesse Helms, you must hate Jefferson and Adams.
While those two spent their entire lives trying to secure and protect
individual liberties, Helms spent his career doing the exact opposite. An
icon of the Insane War on Drugs and the anti-choice movement, and a
homophobic bigot who declared war on gay rights, no politician of his era
better summed the tyrannical big government philosphy when it came to
personal freedom and liberty. He strongly believed in and fought for
increased government power to control what substances you were allowed to
put into your body, what bedroom activities you would be allowed to engage
in, and what you could do with your body after the bedroom activities. He
based his positions on a medieval, literal interpretation of the bible, and
worked tirelessly to impose his religious beliefs on an entire nation.
Jefferson and Adams would have been beyond shocked and appalled at such a
man, his religious beliefs, and his politics.
It was only in his last years that he repented a la George Wallace, as he
became friends and worked closely with Bono (not Sonny) and Madeline
Albright to fight AIDS in Africa. He at last understood that government
could help save lives instead of serving to harshly control them, and that
every life, even those of people who lived differently than he did, was
worth saving.
Its unfortunate that it took him so many decades to finally see the light.
"The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are
those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted
them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely
incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And
the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme
being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be classed with
the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Had you [Thomas Jefferson] and I been forty days with Moses on Mount
Sinai and admitted to behold, the divine Shekinah, and there told that
one was three and three, one: We might not have had courage to deny it,
but we could not have believed it. The thunders and lightnings and
earthquakes and the transcendent splendors and glories might have
overwhelmed us with terror and amazement, but we could not have
believed the doctrine."
-- John Adams
"Some have made the love of God the foundation of morality. If we did
a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is
pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the atheist? ...
Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been
among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some
other foundation than the love of God."
-- Thomas Jefferson
OR
<spencerdogg@attbi,com > wrote in message
news:1e4d939c-97a0-4cc4-a377-a24a1cf405aa@z32g2000prh.googlegroups,com ...
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
If you loved Jesse Helms, you must hate Jefferson and Adams.
While those two spent their entire lives trying to secure and protect
individual liberties, Helms spent his career doing the exact opposite. An
icon of the Insane War on Drugs and the anti-choice movement, and a
homophobic bigot who declared war on gay rights, no politician of his era
better summed the tyrannical big government philosphy when it came to
personal freedom and liberty. He strongly believed in and fought for
increased government power to control what substances you were allowed to
put into your body, what bedroom activities you would be allowed to engage
in, and what you could do with your body after the bedroom activities. He
based his positions on a medieval, literal interpretation of the bible, and
worked tirelessly to impose his religious beliefs on an entire nation.
Jefferson and Adams would have been beyond shocked and appalled at such a
man, his religious beliefs, and his politics.
It was only in his last years that he repented a la George Wallace, as he
became friends and worked closely with Bono (not Sonny) and Madeline
Albright to fight AIDS in Africa. He at last understood that government
could help save lives instead of serving to harshly control them, and that
every life, even those of people who lived differently than he did, was
worth saving.
Its unfortunate that it took him so many decades to finally see the light.
"The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are
those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted
them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely
incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And
the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme
being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be classed with
the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Had you [Thomas Jefferson] and I been forty days with Moses on Mount
Sinai and admitted to behold, the divine Shekinah, and there told that
one was three and three, one: We might not have had courage to deny it,
but we could not have believed it. The thunders and lightnings and
earthquakes and the transcendent splendors and glories might have
overwhelmed us with terror and amazement, but we could not have
believed the doctrine."
-- John Adams
"Some have made the love of God the foundation of morality. If we did
a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is
pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the atheist? ...
Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been
among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some
other foundation than the love of God."
-- Thomas Jefferson
OR
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 12:54 pm, "Octopus Ride" <davk...@bendbroadband,com > wrote:
> <spencerd...@attbi,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1e4d939c-97a0-4cc4-a377-a24a1cf405aa@z32g2000prh.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> > July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> > Gob Bless America
> > Land that I Love
>
> If you loved Jesse Helms, you must hate Jefferson and Adams.
>
> While those two spent their entire lives trying to secure and protect
> individual liberties, Helms spent his career doing the exact opposite. An
> icon of the Insane War on Drugs and the anti-choice movement, and a
> homophobic bigot who declared war on gay rights, no politician of his era
> better summed the tyrannical big government philosphy when it came to
> personal freedom and liberty. He strongly believed in and fought for
> increased government power to control what substances you were allowed to
> put into your body, what bedroom activities you would be allowed to engage
> in, and what you could do with your body after the bedroom activities. He
> based his positions on a medieval, literal interpretation of the bible, and
> worked tirelessly to impose his religious beliefs on an entire nation.
> Jefferson and Adams would have been beyond shocked and appalled at such a
> man, his religious beliefs, and his politics.
>
> It was only in his last years that he repented a la George Wallace, as he
> became friends and worked closely with Bono (not Sonny) and Madeline
> Albright to fight AIDS in Africa. He at last understood that government
> could help save lives instead of serving to harshly control them, and that
> every life, even those of people who lived differently than he did, was
> worth saving.
>
> Its unfortunate that it took him so many decades to finally see the light.
>
> "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are
> those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted
> them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely
> incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And
> the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme
> being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be classed with
> the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> "Had you [Thomas Jefferson] and I been forty days with Moses on Mount
> Sinai and admitted to behold, the divine Shekinah, and there told that
> one was three and three, one: We might not have had courage to deny it,
> but we could not have believed it. The thunders and lightnings and
> earthquakes and the transcendent splendors and glories might have
> overwhelmed us with terror and amazement, but we could not have
> believed the doctrine."
> -- John Adams
>
> "Some have made the love of God the foundation of morality. If we did
> a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is
> pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the atheist? ...
> Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been
> among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some
> other foundation than the love of God."
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> OR
hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.
On Jul 4, 12:54 pm, "Octopus Ride" <davk...@bendbroadband,com > wrote:
> <spencerd...@attbi,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1e4d939c-97a0-4cc4-a377-a24a1cf405aa@z32g2000prh.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> > July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> > Gob Bless America
> > Land that I Love
>
> If you loved Jesse Helms, you must hate Jefferson and Adams.
>
> While those two spent their entire lives trying to secure and protect
> individual liberties, Helms spent his career doing the exact opposite. An
> icon of the Insane War on Drugs and the anti-choice movement, and a
> homophobic bigot who declared war on gay rights, no politician of his era
> better summed the tyrannical big government philosphy when it came to
> personal freedom and liberty. He strongly believed in and fought for
> increased government power to control what substances you were allowed to
> put into your body, what bedroom activities you would be allowed to engage
> in, and what you could do with your body after the bedroom activities. He
> based his positions on a medieval, literal interpretation of the bible, and
> worked tirelessly to impose his religious beliefs on an entire nation.
> Jefferson and Adams would have been beyond shocked and appalled at such a
> man, his religious beliefs, and his politics.
>
> It was only in his last years that he repented a la George Wallace, as he
> became friends and worked closely with Bono (not Sonny) and Madeline
> Albright to fight AIDS in Africa. He at last understood that government
> could help save lives instead of serving to harshly control them, and that
> every life, even those of people who lived differently than he did, was
> worth saving.
>
> Its unfortunate that it took him so many decades to finally see the light.
>
> "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are
> those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted
> them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely
> incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And
> the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme
> being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be classed with
> the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> "Had you [Thomas Jefferson] and I been forty days with Moses on Mount
> Sinai and admitted to behold, the divine Shekinah, and there told that
> one was three and three, one: We might not have had courage to deny it,
> but we could not have believed it. The thunders and lightnings and
> earthquakes and the transcendent splendors and glories might have
> overwhelmed us with terror and amazement, but we could not have
> believed the doctrine."
> -- John Adams
>
> "Some have made the love of God the foundation of morality. If we did
> a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is
> pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the atheist? ...
> Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been
> among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some
> other foundation than the love of God."
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> OR
hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
> hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.- Hide quoted text -
Wouldn't that be respect for the dead? Anyway, you started a thread
comparing Helms to Jefferson and Adams - you know you were trolling
for exactly that kind of response.
> hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.- Hide quoted text -
Wouldn't that be respect for the dead? Anyway, you started a thread
comparing Helms to Jefferson and Adams - you know you were trolling
for exactly that kind of response.
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 5:09 pm, salmone...@aol,com wrote:
> > hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Wouldn't that be respect for the dead? Anyway, you started a thread
> comparing Helms to Jefferson and Adams - you know you were trolling
> for exactly that kind of response.
You are partly right. Since I'm the Real Conservative of avlv I threw
out a post that I knew would get respose. But I didn't expect anyone
to write a response longer than the Declaration of Independence. I did
expect some of my liberal friends to offer a couple lines of response.
On Jul 4, 5:09 pm, salmone...@aol,com wrote:
> > hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Wouldn't that be respect for the dead? Anyway, you started a thread
> comparing Helms to Jefferson and Adams - you know you were trolling
> for exactly that kind of response.
You are partly right. Since I'm the Real Conservative of avlv I threw
out a post that I knew would get respose. But I didn't expect anyone
to write a response longer than the Declaration of Independence. I did
expect some of my liberal friends to offer a couple lines of response.
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 1:46 pm, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
> hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.
Hey, leave OR alone. His heart may give out on him, again. Gotta
love these 'tolerant' types who twist the words of our Founding
Fathers and are just as intolerant as the people who they claim are
intolerant.
I'd write more but Jessie Helms' ghost is controlling what I am doing
in my bedroom.
--EE--
On Jul 4, 1:46 pm, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
> hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.
Hey, leave OR alone. His heart may give out on him, again. Gotta
love these 'tolerant' types who twist the words of our Founding
Fathers and are just as intolerant as the people who they claim are
intolerant.
I'd write more but Jessie Helms' ghost is controlling what I am doing
in my bedroom.
--EE--
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
"EVIL ELVIS" <hehatemetoo69@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:463a6917-b599-4c68-91d4-b07e04afc681@26g2000hsk.googlegroups,com ...
On Jul 4, 1:46 pm, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
>> hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.
> Gotta love these 'tolerant' types who twist the words of our Founding
> Fathers and are just as intolerant as the people who they claim are
> intolerant.
Gotta love these ignorant types who literally have no knowledge whatsoever
about our founding fathers. I'm tolerant of everybody; except ignorant
dopes like you.
You may want to read my post again. The only "words of our Founding
Fathers" that were included were exact, direct quotes. No twisting
necessary, as it would pretty difficult to improve on their original
construction and intent.
Normally this is where I'd say "but you knew that", but in your case, I'm
positive you don't.
Might I suggest you read a few books on these great men and then get back to
me? If you can decipher all their multisyllabic words, I'm positive they'd
have an edifying effect on even an uneducated dolt like yourself.
OR
"EVIL ELVIS" <hehatemetoo69@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:463a6917-b599-4c68-91d4-b07e04afc681@26g2000hsk.googlegroups,com ...
On Jul 4, 1:46 pm, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
>> hey the guy just died. Have you no respect for life.
> Gotta love these 'tolerant' types who twist the words of our Founding
> Fathers and are just as intolerant as the people who they claim are
> intolerant.
Gotta love these ignorant types who literally have no knowledge whatsoever
about our founding fathers. I'm tolerant of everybody; except ignorant
dopes like you.
You may want to read my post again. The only "words of our Founding
Fathers" that were included were exact, direct quotes. No twisting
necessary, as it would pretty difficult to improve on their original
construction and intent.
Normally this is where I'd say "but you knew that", but in your case, I'm
positive you don't.
Might I suggest you read a few books on these great men and then get back to
me? If you can decipher all their multisyllabic words, I'm positive they'd
have an edifying effect on even an uneducated dolt like yourself.
OR
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4 2008 12:18 PM, spencerdogg wrote:
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
missed.
observant lurker
----
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On Jul 4 2008 12:18 PM, spencerdogg wrote:
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
missed.
observant lurker
----
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www .recgroups,com
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 11:49 am, "Observant Lurker" <john52...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> > Gob Bless America
> > Land that I Love
>
> I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
> missed.
>
> observant lurker
>
> ----
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www .recgroups,com
You agree with Gob?
I won't miss him at all.
Kurt
On Jul 4, 11:49 am, "Observant Lurker" <john52...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> > Gob Bless America
> > Land that I Love
>
> I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
> missed.
>
> observant lurker
>
> ----
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www .recgroups,com
You agree with Gob?
I won't miss him at all.
Kurt
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
Kurt---
There is a saying-----"good riddance."
Tom
On Jul 4 2008 5:52 PM, Chef Kurt wrote:
> On Jul 4, 11:49 am, "Observant Lurker" <john52...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > Gob Bless America
> > > Land that I Love
> >
> > I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
> > missed.
> >
> > observant lurker
> >
> You agree with Gob?
>
> I won't miss him at all.
>
> Kurt
--------
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Kurt---
There is a saying-----"good riddance."
Tom
On Jul 4 2008 5:52 PM, Chef Kurt wrote:
> On Jul 4, 11:49 am, "Observant Lurker" <john52...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > Gob Bless America
> > > Land that I Love
> >
> > I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
> > missed.
> >
> > observant lurker
> >
> You agree with Gob?
>
> I won't miss him at all.
>
> Kurt
--------
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www .recgroups,com
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 7:57 pm, "DocTCW" <doc...@aol,com > wrote:
> Kurt---
>
> There is a saying-----"good riddance."
>
> Tom
> On Jul 4 2008 5:52 PM, Chef Kurt wrote:
>
> > On Jul 4, 11:49 am, "Observant Lurker" <john52...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Gob Bless America
> > > > Land that I Love
>
> > > I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
> > > missed.
>
> > > observant lurker
>
> > You agree with Gob?
>
> > I won't miss him at all.
>
> > Kurt
>
> --------
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www .recgroups,com
Truth be told, Doc. I personally would not wish any of the elected
liberals death. OK, maybe Kennedy, but that's all. Oh yea, Kerry too.
On Jul 4, 7:57 pm, "DocTCW" <doc...@aol,com > wrote:
> Kurt---
>
> There is a saying-----"good riddance."
>
> Tom
> On Jul 4 2008 5:52 PM, Chef Kurt wrote:
>
> > On Jul 4, 11:49 am, "Observant Lurker" <john52...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Gob Bless America
> > > > Land that I Love
>
> > > I totally agree. Helms was a fine, southern conservative, who will be
> > > missed.
>
> > > observant lurker
>
> > You agree with Gob?
>
> > I won't miss him at all.
>
> > Kurt
>
> --------
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www .recgroups,com
Truth be told, Doc. I personally would not wish any of the elected
liberals death. OK, maybe Kennedy, but that's all. Oh yea, Kerry too.
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 8:18 am, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
Still time left for a Daily Double, maybe Senator Byrd
will do us a favor.
dr. Baf
On Jul 4, 8:18 am, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
Still time left for a Daily Double, maybe Senator Byrd
will do us a favor.
dr. Baf
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
"dr. Baf" <slazar19@stargate,net > wrote:
> Still time left for a Daily Double, maybe Senator Byrd
> will do us a favor.
We couldn't be that lucky!
"dr. Baf" <slazar19@stargate,net > wrote:
> Still time left for a Daily Double, maybe Senator Byrd
> will do us a favor.
We couldn't be that lucky!
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 4:52 pm, Zoomz <Zo...@flybye,com > wrote:
> "dr. Baf" <slaza...@stargate,net > wrote:
> > Still time left for a Daily Double, maybe Senator Byrd
> > will do us a favor.
>
> We couldn't be that lucky!
You meant to say lucKKKy.
On Jul 4, 4:52 pm, Zoomz <Zo...@flybye,com > wrote:
> "dr. Baf" <slaza...@stargate,net > wrote:
> > Still time left for a Daily Double, maybe Senator Byrd
> > will do us a favor.
>
> We couldn't be that lucky!
You meant to say lucKKKy.
Re: 4th of July takes a 3rd great American
On Jul 4, 11:18 am, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
Not neccesarily sure I agree with your use of the word great when
speaking of Jessee Helms.
However, I will defend to the death your right to use it.
DD
On Jul 4, 11:18 am, spencerd...@attbi,com wrote:
> July 4, 1826 John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
>
> July 4th 2008 Jesse Helms
>
> Gob Bless America
> Land that I Love
Not neccesarily sure I agree with your use of the word great when
speaking of Jessee Helms.
However, I will defend to the death your right to use it.
DD
