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Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
My arguments are:
I can taste dark-roasted and/or oily beans 'a mile-away.' If any
remains in the grinder or if the oil sticks to the grinder, I will be
able to taste it. Then there is the pyschological aspect of it; if I
don't taste it, I will be examining the taste of the espresso each
time I drink it to see if I 'can' taste it.
I feel that cleanliness will be a more important part of the use of
the Silvia due to the fact that each time it is brewed, the
portafilter will have to be washed vs. rinsing between two pulls of
the same grind. (He would be using it for his dark grind as well as my
light-medium grind.) One may ask why I would use light-medium roast
-- I like very strong coffee, hot as Hades, and with half-and half.
"Shallow Gold," they call it in Vienna, I believe.
Years ago I saw what dark oily beans can do to a grinder. I went
through several grinders, a couple of Brauns, as I recall. They were
always gooked up and would just give up. I realize that the Braun and
Rancilio has no comparison in operation.
When we bought the Silvia, DH felt that the Saeco (even though it
stopped working) was good enough. He didn't have to tamp, it which he
said he liked, and it always had good crema. He says he liked it
better than the Rocky - for covenience and taste. We have not had good
crema yet. He has tried surfing as suggested by coffeegeek and I
believe I had him convinced this morning to install a PID. (These are
things I cannot do - I can hardly pick up this new portafilter.)
However, later this morning he said that he had bought some dark oily
beans. Probably most of you feel that there is no problem with this,
but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
Thanks,
Humbly,
Dee Dee
I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
My arguments are:
I can taste dark-roasted and/or oily beans 'a mile-away.' If any
remains in the grinder or if the oil sticks to the grinder, I will be
able to taste it. Then there is the pyschological aspect of it; if I
don't taste it, I will be examining the taste of the espresso each
time I drink it to see if I 'can' taste it.
I feel that cleanliness will be a more important part of the use of
the Silvia due to the fact that each time it is brewed, the
portafilter will have to be washed vs. rinsing between two pulls of
the same grind. (He would be using it for his dark grind as well as my
light-medium grind.) One may ask why I would use light-medium roast
-- I like very strong coffee, hot as Hades, and with half-and half.
"Shallow Gold," they call it in Vienna, I believe.
Years ago I saw what dark oily beans can do to a grinder. I went
through several grinders, a couple of Brauns, as I recall. They were
always gooked up and would just give up. I realize that the Braun and
Rancilio has no comparison in operation.
When we bought the Silvia, DH felt that the Saeco (even though it
stopped working) was good enough. He didn't have to tamp, it which he
said he liked, and it always had good crema. He says he liked it
better than the Rocky - for covenience and taste. We have not had good
crema yet. He has tried surfing as suggested by coffeegeek and I
believe I had him convinced this morning to install a PID. (These are
things I cannot do - I can hardly pick up this new portafilter.)
However, later this morning he said that he had bought some dark oily
beans. Probably most of you feel that there is no problem with this,
but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
Thanks,
Humbly,
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
"Dee Dee" wrote in message
> I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
> make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
> dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
>
Howdy dodee Dee Dee. Dark oily beans shouldn't be a problem for Rocky's and
above. You could always run some 'Grindz' through afterwards. BTW who or
what is DH?
Bertie
"Dee Dee" wrote in message
> I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
> make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
> dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
>
Howdy dodee Dee Dee. Dark oily beans shouldn't be a problem for Rocky's and
above. You could always run some 'Grindz' through afterwards. BTW who or
what is DH?
Bertie
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Jun 15, 4:20 am, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasi...@ntl,com > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" wrote in message
> > I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
> > make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
> > dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
>
> Howdy dodee Dee Dee. Dark oily beans shouldn't be a problem for Rocky's and
> above. You could always run some 'Grindz' through afterwards. BTW who or
> what is DH?
>
> Bertie
***
DH - Dear Husband!
(Different than SO - Significant Other)
or there some men who refer to SWMBO
(She who must be obeyed)
Grindz - I just googled it at Amazon. Gee, I wouldn't want to use that
after every cup that DH grinds. But it is an interesting product to
use several times a year; I'd not heard of it.; thanks. Maybe rocks
would do? ;-))
http :// www .amazon,com /European-Gift-48-Grindz-Coffee-GrinderCleaner/dp/B000ES1PNE/ref=pd bbs sr 2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1213537264&sr=8-2
or
http :// tinyurl,com /5epqyd
Dee-licious,
Dee Dee
On Jun 15, 4:20 am, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasi...@ntl,com > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" wrote in message
> > I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
> > make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
> > dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
>
> Howdy dodee Dee Dee. Dark oily beans shouldn't be a problem for Rocky's and
> above. You could always run some 'Grindz' through afterwards. BTW who or
> what is DH?
>
> Bertie
***
DH - Dear Husband!
(Different than SO - Significant Other)
or there some men who refer to SWMBO
(She who must be obeyed)
Grindz - I just googled it at Amazon. Gee, I wouldn't want to use that
after every cup that DH grinds. But it is an interesting product to
use several times a year; I'd not heard of it.; thanks. Maybe rocks
would do? ;-))
http :// www .amazon,com /European-Gift-48-Grindz-Coffee-GrinderCleaner/dp/B000ES1PNE/ref=pd bbs sr 2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1213537264&sr=8-2
or
http :// tinyurl,com /5epqyd
Dee-licious,
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Jun 15, 9:44 am, Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel,net > wrote:
> On Jun 15, 4:20 am, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasi...@ntl,com > wrote:
>
> > "Dee Dee" wrote in message
> > > I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
> > > make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
> > > dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
>
> > Howdy dodee Dee Dee. Dark oily beans shouldn't be a problem for Rocky's and
> > above. You could always run some 'Grindz' through afterwards. BTW who or
> > what is DH?
>
> > Bertie
>
> ***
> DH - Dear Husband!
> (Different than SO - Significant Other)
>
> or there some men who refer to SWMBO
> (She who must be obeyed)
>
> Grindz - I just googled it at Amazon. Gee, I wouldn't want to use that
> after every cup that DH grinds. But it is an interesting product to
> use several times a year; I'd not heard of it.; thanks. Maybe rocks
> would do? ;-))
Instant rice is a common alternative, and I've also used oatmeal once
-- the one time I've cleaned any grinder -- apart from from at least
removing the upper burr and brushing out everything with a an inch
wide paint brush. Someone in a restaurant with "classes of grinders"
recommended the oatmeal, which was employed on their best grinders,
whereas instant rice sufficed for the rest.
On Jun 15, 9:44 am, Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel,net > wrote:
> On Jun 15, 4:20 am, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasi...@ntl,com > wrote:
>
> > "Dee Dee" wrote in message
> > > I've read a few back postings, but can't get enough information to
> > > make a presentation to DH regarding my desire/wish not to put oily
> > > dark beans in the Sivlia espresso and Rocky burr grinder.
>
> > Howdy dodee Dee Dee. Dark oily beans shouldn't be a problem for Rocky's and
> > above. You could always run some 'Grindz' through afterwards. BTW who or
> > what is DH?
>
> > Bertie
>
> ***
> DH - Dear Husband!
> (Different than SO - Significant Other)
>
> or there some men who refer to SWMBO
> (She who must be obeyed)
>
> Grindz - I just googled it at Amazon. Gee, I wouldn't want to use that
> after every cup that DH grinds. But it is an interesting product to
> use several times a year; I'd not heard of it.; thanks. Maybe rocks
> would do? ;-))
Instant rice is a common alternative, and I've also used oatmeal once
-- the one time I've cleaned any grinder -- apart from from at least
removing the upper burr and brushing out everything with a an inch
wide paint brush. Someone in a restaurant with "classes of grinders"
recommended the oatmeal, which was employed on their best grinders,
whereas instant rice sufficed for the rest.
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
Don't fear the beans.
and as bertie sez who is "DH"
Don't fear the beans.
and as bertie sez who is "DH"
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Jun 15, 8:25 am, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Don't fear the beans.
> and as bertie sez who is "DH"
Dear Husband (or DARLING Husband for those who haven't been married as
long.)
Dee Dee
On Jun 15, 8:25 am, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Don't fear the beans.
> and as bertie sez who is "DH"
Dear Husband (or DARLING Husband for those who haven't been married as
long.)
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:b905a674-cf4d-47b7-ae6b-685d0df9b577@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
> Don't fear the beans.
> and as bertie sez who is "DH"
I'd say it's clear that DH is a dark-roast-preferring, engineering-minded
male with whom DeeDee shares the use and purchase of coffee-making
equipment, and who DeeDee feels won't adopt her preference for a
light-medium roast unless presented with a "reason".
That's already more than I really want to know about "DH", and I'm puzzled
why Bertie (who's not even sure if "DH" is a person) and daveb need more
details . . .
--
alan
"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:b905a674-cf4d-47b7-ae6b-685d0df9b577@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
> Don't fear the beans.
> and as bertie sez who is "DH"
I'd say it's clear that DH is a dark-roast-preferring, engineering-minded
male with whom DeeDee shares the use and purchase of coffee-making
equipment, and who DeeDee feels won't adopt her preference for a
light-medium roast unless presented with a "reason".
That's already more than I really want to know about "DH", and I'm puzzled
why Bertie (who's not even sure if "DH" is a person) and daveb need more
details . . .
--
alan
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Jun 15, 10:10 am, "alan" <in flagra...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> "lockjaw" <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:b905a674-cf4d-47b7-ae6b-685d0df9b577@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > Don't fear the beans.
> > and as bertie sez who is "DH"
>
> I'd say it's clear that DH is a dark-roast-preferring, engineering-minded
> male with whom DeeDee shares the use and purchase of coffee-making
> equipment, and who DeeDee feels won't adopt her preference for a
> light-medium roast unless presented with a "reason".
> That's already more than I really want to know about "DH", and I'm puzzled
> why Bertie (who's not even sure if "DH" is a person) and daveb need more
> details . . .
> --
> alan
Alan, you have stated my problem/request; I need a 'reason' to
present; a reason that can be presented as 'reasonable. One of the
reasons I have presented that doesn't fly is: buy your own!
Reasonably,
Dee Dee
On Jun 15, 10:10 am, "alan" <in flagra...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> "lockjaw" <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:b905a674-cf4d-47b7-ae6b-685d0df9b577@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > Don't fear the beans.
> > and as bertie sez who is "DH"
>
> I'd say it's clear that DH is a dark-roast-preferring, engineering-minded
> male with whom DeeDee shares the use and purchase of coffee-making
> equipment, and who DeeDee feels won't adopt her preference for a
> light-medium roast unless presented with a "reason".
> That's already more than I really want to know about "DH", and I'm puzzled
> why Bertie (who's not even sure if "DH" is a person) and daveb need more
> details . . .
> --
> alan
Alan, you have stated my problem/request; I need a 'reason' to
present; a reason that can be presented as 'reasonable. One of the
reasons I have presented that doesn't fly is: buy your own!
Reasonably,
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
In <e5bd1c79-b07f-4f21-8278-17edd40efc0a@k30g2000hse.googlegroups,com >,
on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee, deedovey@shentel,net
wrote:
> However, later this morning he said that he had bought some dark oily
> beans. Probably most of you feel that there is no problem with this,
Well, I wouldn't use dark oily beans by preference...
but once in a while I do for "QA" purposes.
> but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
> have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
Taste is 100% subjective... though to some extent,
also learned. I don't know if this will help at all,
but you might mention to him that coffee oils contribute
much to the overall flavor and body of a great coffee.
Oils that stay inside the bean stay flavorful longer,
and actually make it to the cup.
Oils that ooze out of the bean oxidize, losing flavor,
even taking on a rancid character, and get lost on the
bag surface, on the grinder, anywhere they touch.
Using dark oily beans "wastes" a lot of good flavor
while accelerating onset of rancid, stale flavors.
Good luck convincing him his taste is "wrong."
;-)
In <e5bd1c79-b07f-4f21-8278-17edd40efc0a@k30g2000hse.googlegroups,com >,
on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee, deedovey@shentel,net
wrote:
> However, later this morning he said that he had bought some dark oily
> beans. Probably most of you feel that there is no problem with this,
Well, I wouldn't use dark oily beans by preference...
but once in a while I do for "QA" purposes.
> but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
> have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
Taste is 100% subjective... though to some extent,
also learned. I don't know if this will help at all,
but you might mention to him that coffee oils contribute
much to the overall flavor and body of a great coffee.
Oils that stay inside the bean stay flavorful longer,
and actually make it to the cup.
Oils that ooze out of the bean oxidize, losing flavor,
even taking on a rancid character, and get lost on the
bag surface, on the grinder, anywhere they touch.
Using dark oily beans "wastes" a lot of good flavor
while accelerating onset of rancid, stale flavors.
Good luck convincing him his taste is "wrong."
;-)
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Jun 15, 3:14 pm, Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee,com >
wrote:
> but you might mention to him that coffee oils contribute
> much to the overall flavor and body of a great coffee.
>
> Oils that stay inside the bean stay flavorful longer,
> and actually make it to the cup.
>
> Oils that ooze out of the bean oxidize, losing flavor,
> even taking on a rancid character, and get lost on the
> bag surface, on the grinder, anywhere they touch.
> Using dark oily beans "wastes" a lot of good flavor
> while accelerating onset of rancid, stale flavors.
>
I really appreciate such a thoughtful answer. It certainly makes sense
to me.
If this doesn't do it -- well...........
Thanks again.
Dee Dee
On Jun 15, 3:14 pm, Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee,com >
wrote:
> but you might mention to him that coffee oils contribute
> much to the overall flavor and body of a great coffee.
>
> Oils that stay inside the bean stay flavorful longer,
> and actually make it to the cup.
>
> Oils that ooze out of the bean oxidize, losing flavor,
> even taking on a rancid character, and get lost on the
> bag surface, on the grinder, anywhere they touch.
> Using dark oily beans "wastes" a lot of good flavor
> while accelerating onset of rancid, stale flavors.
>
I really appreciate such a thoughtful answer. It certainly makes sense
to me.
If this doesn't do it -- well...........
Thanks again.
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
Of course Dee Dee, the real answer would be two grinders.
--
Enjoy!
Robert (Tex) Harmon
http :// www .tinyurl,com /mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /24p7hu - PID kits for Gaggia espresso machines
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2n2n7u - Basic barista training
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2j8jur - Gaggia User's Group
http :// www .tinyurl,com /235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)
"Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel,net > wrote in message
news:997f3dee-17b5-4635-a871-26c2a5bb1fcb@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
I really appreciate such a thoughtful answer. It certainly makes sense
to me.
If this doesn't do it -- well...........
Thanks again.
Dee Dee
Of course Dee Dee, the real answer would be two grinders.
--
Enjoy!
Robert (Tex) Harmon
http :// www .tinyurl,com /mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /24p7hu - PID kits for Gaggia espresso machines
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2n2n7u - Basic barista training
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2j8jur - Gaggia User's Group
http :// www .tinyurl,com /235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)
"Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel,net > wrote in message
news:997f3dee-17b5-4635-a871-26c2a5bb1fcb@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
I really appreciate such a thoughtful answer. It certainly makes sense
to me.
If this doesn't do it -- well...........
Thanks again.
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee
<deedovey@shentel,net > wrote:
>
>but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
>have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
>
"When momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" works on this engineer.
Jim
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee
<deedovey@shentel,net > wrote:
>
>but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
>have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
>
"When momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" works on this engineer.
Jim
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
On Jun 15, 5:06 pm, JimG <jggal...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee
>
> <deedo...@shentel,net > wrote:
>
> >but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
> >have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
>
> "When momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" works on this engineer.
>
> Jim
Yes, I know -- It's a harsh world ;-)
Dee Dee
On Jun 15, 5:06 pm, JimG <jggal...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee
>
> <deedo...@shentel,net > wrote:
>
> >but can you help me with a reason NOT to use oily beans other than I
> >have suggested; something that might appeal to an 'engineering mind.'
>
> "When momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" works on this engineer.
>
> Jim
Yes, I know -- It's a harsh world ;-)
Dee Dee
Re: Use of dark, oily beans in Rocky Rancilio
Sounds like the voice of experience? My OB&C likes to ask - would you rather
be happy or right?
--
Enjoy!
Robert (Tex) Harmon
http :// www .tinyurl,com /mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /24p7hu - PID kits for Gaggia espresso machines
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2n2n7u - Basic barista training
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2j8jur - Gaggia User's Group
http :// www .tinyurl,com /235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)
"JimG" <jggall01@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:ju0b54196oheuo47c0vhskovt288olecoi@4ax,com ...
> "When momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" works on this engineer.
>
> Jim
Sounds like the voice of experience? My OB&C likes to ask - would you rather
be happy or right?
--
Enjoy!
Robert (Tex) Harmon
http :// www .tinyurl,com /mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /24p7hu - PID kits for Gaggia espresso machines
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2n2n7u - Basic barista training
http :// www .tinyurl,com /2j8jur - Gaggia User's Group
http :// www .tinyurl,com /235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)
"JimG" <jggall01@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:ju0b54196oheuo47c0vhskovt288olecoi@4ax,com ...
> "When momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" works on this engineer.
>
> Jim
