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Storing Coffee beans in freezer

Reply from: Goro
Date: 18 Jun 2008, 16:34
Storing Coffee beans in freezer

Hi,
part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
grinding and that it's fine. I've heard that coffee beans should not
be refrigerated or frozen and used within 2 weeks of roasting.

I've found this reference online:
http :// www .coffeeam,com /stgrandbrco.html

which sounds reasonable (but reasonable sounding isn't always true).

So, i'm just wondering what the consensus is regarding storing coffee
beans (and actually i'm also curious about how to store green coffee
beans).

thx for any info

-goro-

Reply from: Cyclepete
Date: 18 Jun 2008, 17:20
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 18, 10:34 am, Goro <evilnin...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Hi,
> part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
> and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
> stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
> grinding and that it's fine. I've heard that coffee beans should not
> be refrigerated or frozen and used within 2 weeks of roasting.
>

I find this works for a number of weeks as long as you store them at
about 10 F or below and you don't refreeze them. And you let the beans
come to room temperature before opening the storage bag. And you never
refreeze them after opening the bag. It's the moisture condensing on
the cold beans each time you bring them out that really destroys them.

Reply from: Natalie Drest
Date: 19 Jun 2008, 03:15
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer


"Cyclepete" <jprosenfeld@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:193ed96b-da97-4f02-b475-5290af287af2@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jun 18, 10:34 am, Goro <evilnin...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> > Hi,
> > part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
> > and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
> > stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
> > grinding and that it's fine. I've heard that coffee beans should not
> > be refrigerated or frozen and used within 2 weeks of roasting.
> >
>
> I find this works for a number of weeks as long as you store them at
> about 10 F or below and you don't refreeze them. And you let the beans
> come to room temperature before opening the storage bag. And you never
> refreeze them after opening the bag. It's the moisture condensing on
> the cold beans each time you bring them out that really destroys them.

What he said.
I use jars with good seals instead of bags though. I love opening the jar
after it's come up to room temp- ah the aroma!
I've refrozen with no ill effects...



Reply from: shane
Date: 18 Jun 2008, 17:28
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 18, 9:34 am, Goro <evilnin...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Hi,
> part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone.  My friend
> and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans.  He says he
> stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
> grinding and that it's fine.  I've heard that coffee beans should not
> be refrigerated or frozen and used within 2 weeks of roasting.
>
> I've found this reference online: http :// www .coffeeam,com /stgrandbrco.html
>
> which sounds reasonable (but reasonable sounding isn't always true).
>
> So, i'm just wondering what the consensus is regarding storing coffee
> beans (and actually i'm also curious about how to store green coffee
> beans).
>
> thx for any info
>
> -goro-

Consensus? You are looking for a consensus?

I do not freeze roasted coffee.
Due to my having not used some coffee fast enough in the past, I have
been storing green coffee in the freezer.

Shane

Reply from: Flasherly
Date: 18 Jun 2008, 21:24
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 18, 10:34 am, Goro <evilnin...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Hi,
> part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
> and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
> stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
> grinding and that it's fine. I've heard that coffee beans should not
> be refrigerated or frozen and used within 2 weeks of roasting.
>
> I've found this reference online: http :// www .coffeeam,com /stgrandbrco.html
>
> which sounds reasonable (but reasonable sounding isn't always true).
>
> So, i'm just wondering what the consensus is regarding storing coffee
> beans (and actually i'm also curious about how to store green coffee
> beans).
>
> thx for any info
>
> -goro-

Once roasted and taken from the freezer, oils resurface on the beans,
and if left out for some length of time will go rancid. When
roasting, I leave enough to a drink for a day or two, and put the rest
in a large jar in the freezer, only taking as much as I'll need a day
or two ahead. I wouldn't leave roasted beans out at room temperature
over a few days. Over four days, say at seven, if they smell of fish
- throw them out. Green beans should be stored in a dry, cool
location prior to roasting. I've a large metal stockpot in the
cupboard I just filled up with 25 pounds of green Sumatra Mandheling.
Haven't attempted to keep beans in the cupboard for years, but up to
six months hasn't been a problem. A week or two supply roasted,
coming out of the freezer, tastes very good.

Reply from: Barry Jarrett
Date: 19 Jun 2008, 04:57
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Goro <evilninjax@yahoo,com >
wrote:

>Hi,
>part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
>and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
>stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
>grinding and that it's fine.

you don't even need to let them warm up before grinding. the coldness
of the beans will help offset the heat produced by grinding.

ideally, though, you'd drink coffee within a week or two of roasting
so you'd never have to store it longer.


Reply from: wavemechanic
Date: 19 Jun 2008, 09:27
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee,com > wrote in message
news:riij54hencnp9mcp628433bp5tiro811n0@4ax,com ...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Goro <evilninjax@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
> >and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
> >stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
> >grinding and that it's fine.
>
> you don't even need to let them warm up before grinding. the coldness
> of the beans will help offset the heat produced by grinding.
>
> ideally, though, you'd drink coffee within a week or two of roasting
> so you'd never have to store it longer.
>

Interesting. Have you tried this? What were the results?

I had assumed that since my coffee jars are always covered in condensation
within seconds of removal from the freezer, that the same would happen to my
beans if i opened the lid before they came up to room temperature. I'm wary
of grinding wet beans, both because the grounds may clump and because I'd
worry about the burrs rusting. Also, I freeze 250 g. at a time, so the whole
batch would get wet, not just what I planned to use that
morning/afternoon/whenever.

I wouldn't want to keep roasted coffee around unfrozen for 2 weeks either-
IME it's all over after a week.



Reply from: Craig Andrews
Date: 19 Jun 2008, 14:34
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer


"wavemechanic" <dinner@six,net > wrote in message
news:485a0a51@dnews.tpgi,com .au...
> "Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee,com > wrote in message
> news:riij54hencnp9mcp628433bp5tiro811n0@4ax,com ...
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Goro <evilninjax@yahoo,com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >part-time lurker here and i have a question for everyone. My friend
>> >and i were having a discussion about storing coffee beans. He says he
>> >stores them in the freezer, lets them come to room temp before
>> >grinding and that it's fine.
>>
>> you don't even need to let them warm up before grinding. the coldness
>> of the beans will help offset the heat produced by grinding.
>>
>> ideally, though, you'd drink coffee within a week or two of roasting
>> so you'd never have to store it longer.
>>
>
> Interesting. Have you tried this? What were the results?
>
> I had assumed that since my coffee jars are always covered in condensation
> within seconds of removal from the freezer, that the same would happen to
> my beans if i opened the lid before they came up to room temperature. I'm
> wary of grinding wet beans, both because the grounds may clump and because
> I'd worry about the burrs rusting. Also, I freeze 250 g. at a time, so the
> whole batch would get wet, not just what I planned to use that
> morning/afternoon/whenever.
>
> I wouldn't want to keep roasted coffee around unfrozen for 2 weeks either-
> IME it's all over after a week.


http :// www .coffeegeek,com /forums/search?RET=%2Fforums&DO=&Form Search=Freezing+coffee&Form Author=&Form Forum=&Form AsPosts=1&Form Before=1&Form Days=&Form SortField=SearchRank&Form Descending=1&Form Submit=Search+Discussions

Please check out what Michael Sivetz has to say about freezing coffee;
http :// www .sivetzcoffee,com /preservation patent.htm ,
http :// www .sivetzcoffee,com /newsletter/PackagingJan01.htm

I have a few posts on it all well:
http :// www .coffeegeek,com /forums/search?RET=%2Fforums&DO=&Form Search=Freezing+coffee&Form Author=CraigA&Form Forum=&Form AsPosts=1&Form Before=1&Form Days=&Form SortField=SearchRank&Form Descending=1&Form Submit=Search+Discussions
Also check out the Home Barista forums for thoughts there.
Cheers!
Craig.



Reply from: Barry Jarrett
Date: 20 Jun 2008, 07:26
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:27:12 +1000, "wavemechanic" <dinner@six,net >
wrote:

>I had assumed that since my coffee jars are always covered in condensation
>within seconds of removal from the freezer, that the same would happen to my
>beans if i opened the lid before they came up to room temperature.

It will, but as you're going straight from grinding to brewing, it
shouldn't be an issue.


>of grinding wet beans, both because the grounds may clump and because I'd
>worry about the burrs rusting.

How much condensation you get depends upon the ambient dew point. It
might be dryer around here than there.



>Also, I freeze 250 g. at a time, so the whole
>batch would get wet, not just what I planned to use that
>morning/afternoon/whenever.

there is that to consider, as well.


the point was that frozen beans could be ground. what happens to the
rest of the beans is circumstantial. ;)


Reply from: shane
Date: 20 Jun 2008, 16:28
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 20, 12:26 am, Barry Jarrett <ba...@rileys-coffee,com > wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:27:12 +1000, "wavemechanic" <din...@six,net >
> wrote:
>
>  >I had assumed that since my coffee jars are always covered in condensation
>  >within seconds of removal from the freezer, that the same would happen to my
>  >beans if i opened the lid before they came up to room temperature.
>
> It will, but as you're going straight from grinding to brewing, it
> shouldn't be an issue.
>
>  >of grinding wet beans, both because the grounds may clump and because I'd
>  >worry about the burrs rusting.
>
> How much condensation you get depends upon the ambient dew point.  It
> might be dryer around here than there.
>
>  >Also, I freeze 250 g. at a time, so the whole
>  >batch would get wet, not just what I planned to use that
>  >morning/afternoon/whenever.
>
> there is that to consider, as well.
>
> the point was that frozen beans could be ground.  what happens to the
> rest of the beans is circumstantial.   ;)

This thread has me wondering about my practice of freezing green
beans. I started after I had some beans sit in the cupboard a bit
too long and after I read some stuff about what George Howell is
storing beans.
Although, the difference might be, I am not vacuum packing my green
beans and storing them in a super cold freezer. I am just using
ziploc freezer bags and a standard consumer freezer.

Shane

Reply from: Flasherly
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 17:38
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 20, 10:28 am, shane <shane.ol...@juno,com > wrote:
> On Jun 20, 12:26 am, Barry Jarrett <ba...@rileys-coffee,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:27:12 +1000, "wavemechanic" <din...@six,net >
> > wrote:
>
> > >I had assumed that since my coffee jars are always covered in condensation
> > >within seconds of removal from the freezer, that the same would happen to my
> > >beans if i opened the lid before they came up to room temperature.
>
> > It will, but as you're going straight from grinding to brewing, it
> > shouldn't be an issue.
>
> > >of grinding wet beans, both because the grounds may clump and because I'd
> > >worry about the burrs rusting.
>
> > How much condensation you get depends upon the ambient dew point. It
> > might be dryer around here than there.
>
> > >Also, I freeze 250 g. at a time, so the whole
> > >batch would get wet, not just what I planned to use that
> > >morning/afternoon/whenever.
>
> > there is that to consider, as well.
>
> > the point was that frozen beans could be ground. what happens to the
> > rest of the beans is circumstantial. ;)
>
> This thread has me wondering about my practice of freezing green
> beans. I started after I had some beans sit in the cupboard a bit
> too long and after I read some stuff about what George Howell is
> storing beans.
> Although, the difference might be, I am not vacuum packing my green
> beans and storing them in a super cold freezer. I am just using
> ziploc freezer bags and a standard consumer freezer.
>
> Shane

I've a disused 7ft. pop top freezer in the garage I'll probably clean
out with vinegar for recommissioning when the local grocery store
changes hours. When I do, it wouldn't necessarily bother me to store
the greens there, plenty room, although I've yet to have an incident
with where I've been keeping greens -- opposite to the freezer wall
inside on a lower shelf of a cupboard, it's door slightly left ajar
and cracked. Green beans up until now shipped in 5lb increments in
paper bags. Four bags I've been stuffing full into a large metal
stock pot, that looks like it'll hold 5 gal. Last shipment was 25lbs,
though, and came in one plastic bag. Fit to the stock-pot brim, all I
did different was untie and open the top of the bag. They're
somewhere dark and cool and aerated, or according to many
recommendations I've seen for storing coffee greens. Probably 80-85F
for most of long hot summers when I'm not home running the A/C, and
always come out looking/tasting fine.

Reply from: beans@smithfarms,com
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 18:07
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Flasherly <gjerrell@ij,net >
wrote:

>On Jun 20, 10:28 am, shane <shane.ol...@juno,com > wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 12:26 am, Barry Jarrett <ba...@rileys-coffee,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
snippage
>> Probably 80-85F
>for most of long hot summers when I'm not home running the A/C, and
>always come out looking/tasting fine.

I would suggest storing the green at more like 65-68 degrees.

aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

Reply from: Flasherly
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 20:45
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 24, 12:07 pm, be...@smithfarms,com wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jun 20, 10:28 am, shane <shane.ol...@juno,com > wrote:
> >> On Jun 20, 12:26 am, Barry Jarrett <ba...@rileys-coffee,com > wrote:
>
> snippage
> >> Probably 80-85F
> >for most of long hot summers when I'm not home running the A/C, and
> >always come out looking/tasting fine.
>
> I would suggest storing the green at more like 65-68 degrees.

Thanks and good idea, except this is the tropics, or closest to it off
the savannas, and I'm a lighter dresser than heavier A/C electrical
consumer. Maybe I will put some of the 25lb shipment away and into
the freezer. Usually fill the bottom of it with frozen milk
containers filled with water, anyway, to keep the freezer full and
running more efficiently.

Reply from: shane
Date: 25 Jun 2008, 16:16
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer

On Jun 24, 1:45 pm, Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 12:07 pm, be...@smithfarms,com wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net >
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Jun 20, 10:28 am, shane <shane.ol...@juno,com > wrote:
> > >> On Jun 20, 12:26 am, Barry Jarrett <ba...@rileys-coffee,com > wrote:
>
> > snippage
> > >>  Probably 80-85F
> > >for most of long hot summers when I'm not home running the A/C, and
> > >always come out looking/tasting fine.
>
> > I would suggest storing the green at more like 65-68 degrees.
>
> Thanks and good idea, except this is the tropics, or closest to it off
> the savannas, and I'm a lighter dresser than heavier A/C electrical
> consumer.  Maybe I will put some of the 25lb shipment away and into
> the freezer.  Usually fill the bottom of it with frozen milk
> containers filled with water, anyway, to keep the freezer full and
> running more efficiently.

How similar to stuff like rice, corn meal, grits and whole wheat flour
is green coffee? Like green coffee, all of these can be stored at
room temperature, but will go rancid over time. Putting them into the
freezer keeps them fresher.

I have had green coffee go rancid on me after not using it soon
enough, so, the freezer thing. I am now trying to be careful not to
order too much coffee :)
So far, the coffee I have frozen does not seem to have suffered any
ill effects. Is freezing green coffee to keep it fresh a bad idea?

Anyone familiar with what George Howell is doing with his Terrior
(sp?) coffee? Opinions?

Thanks, Shane

Reply from: Brian Colwell
Date: 25 Jun 2008, 21:55
Re: Storing Coffee beans in freezer


"shane" <shane.olson@juno,com > wrote in message
news:b067b293-6eb1-4698-a1fc-092866229de2@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
On Jun 24, 1:45 pm, Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 12:07 pm, be...@smithfarms,com wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net >
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Jun 20, 10:28 am, shane <shane.ol...@juno,com > wrote:
> > >> On Jun 20, 12:26 am, Barry Jarrett <ba...@rileys-coffee,com > wrote:
>
> > snippage
> > >> Probably 80-85F
> > >for most of long hot summers when I'm not home running the A/C, and
> > >always come out looking/tasting fine.
>
> > I would suggest storing the green at more like 65-68 degrees.
>
> Thanks and good idea, except this is the tropics, or closest to it off
> the savannas, and I'm a lighter dresser than heavier A/C electrical
> consumer. Maybe I will put some of the 25lb shipment away and into
> the freezer. Usually fill the bottom of it with frozen milk
> containers filled with water, anyway, to keep the freezer full and
> running more efficiently.

How similar to stuff like rice, corn meal, grits and whole wheat flour
is green coffee? Like green coffee, all of these can be stored at
room temperature, but will go rancid over time. Putting them into the
freezer keeps them fresher.

I have had green coffee go rancid on me after not using it soon
enough, so, the freezer thing. I am now trying to be careful not to
order too much coffee :)
So far, the coffee I have frozen does not seem to have suffered any
ill effects. Is freezing green coffee to keep it fresh a bad idea?

Anyone familiar with what George Howell is doing with his Terrior
(sp?) coffee? Opinions?

Thanks, Shane

It has been stated on this n/g, that if stored in cotton type sacks in a dry
ventilated area, they should be good for one or two years .

bmc




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