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Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
Hello there. I'm a stranger in these parts, just passing through on
my way from Coffeegeek to Exasperation, so I thought I'd stop and test
the waters over here and see what the boys in the back room are
having.
My Krups machine has gone the way of all flesh after about five years
of hard service. I have, as a backup, a very stylish looking Delonghi
machine – it was a gift – that makes decent coffee; the problem is
that a twelve-cup pot takes about as long to brew as it takes to grow
a full, flowing, Santa Claus quality beard. I did the vinegar-flush
treatment two or three or four times and, while the speed improved –
we now clock in at just under a roguish, pencil-thin moustache – it's
no where near normal. Honestly, it takes about a half-hour, maybe
more, to brew a pot. I read at coffeegeek that Delonghi is not thought
terribly well of in general, and it may be that I'll need to consign
this beauty to the dustbin of history, but I thought it was worth
hearing from y'all experts if there exists a super-duper interior
cleaner that I might try first.
I did read in the archives that citric acid from the druggist might be
worth trying, and I will try it. Can anyone think of any other modes,
methods, products or solutions?
Thanks so much in advance, and my apologies if this is a stupid
question!
Michael "How you fixed for blades?" Hudson
Hello there. I'm a stranger in these parts, just passing through on
my way from Coffeegeek to Exasperation, so I thought I'd stop and test
the waters over here and see what the boys in the back room are
having.
My Krups machine has gone the way of all flesh after about five years
of hard service. I have, as a backup, a very stylish looking Delonghi
machine – it was a gift – that makes decent coffee; the problem is
that a twelve-cup pot takes about as long to brew as it takes to grow
a full, flowing, Santa Claus quality beard. I did the vinegar-flush
treatment two or three or four times and, while the speed improved –
we now clock in at just under a roguish, pencil-thin moustache – it's
no where near normal. Honestly, it takes about a half-hour, maybe
more, to brew a pot. I read at coffeegeek that Delonghi is not thought
terribly well of in general, and it may be that I'll need to consign
this beauty to the dustbin of history, but I thought it was worth
hearing from y'all experts if there exists a super-duper interior
cleaner that I might try first.
I did read in the archives that citric acid from the druggist might be
worth trying, and I will try it. Can anyone think of any other modes,
methods, products or solutions?
Thanks so much in advance, and my apologies if this is a stupid
question!
Michael "How you fixed for blades?" Hudson
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
TOO late to descale this machine.
in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
dave
TOO late to descale this machine.
in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
dave
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> dave
I was afraid that that might be the consensus. I was holding out hope
that there might exist some arcane, uber-cleaning, get-your-people-
back, don't-try-this-at-home, secret-handshake sort of an option.
Ah, well.
M
On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> dave
I was afraid that that might be the consensus. I was holding out hope
that there might exist some arcane, uber-cleaning, get-your-people-
back, don't-try-this-at-home, secret-handshake sort of an option.
Ah, well.
M
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 23, 4:22 pm, Michael Hudson <m...@reddotcommunications,com >
wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> > in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> > dave
>
> I was afraid that that might be the consensus. I was holding out hope
> that there might exist some arcane, uber-cleaning, get-your-people-
> back, don't-try-this-at-home, secret-handshake sort of an option.
>
> Ah, well.
>
> M
there is such a compound no doubt, but it would be very damaging to
the machine as well as the scale therein.
On Jun 23, 4:22 pm, Michael Hudson <m...@reddotcommunications,com >
wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> > in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> > dave
>
> I was afraid that that might be the consensus. I was holding out hope
> that there might exist some arcane, uber-cleaning, get-your-people-
> back, don't-try-this-at-home, secret-handshake sort of an option.
>
> Ah, well.
>
> M
there is such a compound no doubt, but it would be very damaging to
the machine as well as the scale therein.
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> dave
Cleancaf may be prettier and pricier than generic citric acid, but
does not work any better. Descaling every week or two when you are
also using soft water is excessive.
Michael, the biggest problem with the brewers you have is that they do
not get the water hot enough for great brewing. My $0.02, see what's
hot these days at CoffeeGeek, and get a new machine that brews at
optimal temperature. Use fresh roasted, freshly ground beans. Get
some citric acid (also available at Indian grocery stores) and descale
your machine every month or two. If that is a budget buster, then use
an inexpensive pour over device. Put your money into fresh beans and
a decent grinder first.
Best,
Larry
On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> dave
Cleancaf may be prettier and pricier than generic citric acid, but
does not work any better. Descaling every week or two when you are
also using soft water is excessive.
Michael, the biggest problem with the brewers you have is that they do
not get the water hot enough for great brewing. My $0.02, see what's
hot these days at CoffeeGeek, and get a new machine that brews at
optimal temperature. Use fresh roasted, freshly ground beans. Get
some citric acid (also available at Indian grocery stores) and descale
your machine every month or two. If that is a budget buster, then use
an inexpensive pour over device. Put your money into fresh beans and
a decent grinder first.
Best,
Larry
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 24, 7:29 am, LF <fie...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> > in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> > dave
>
> Cleancaf may be prettier and pricier than generic citric acid, but
> does not work any better. Descaling every week or two when you are
> also using soft water is excessive.
>
> Michael, the biggest problem with the brewers you have is that they do
> not get the water hot enough for great brewing. My $0.02, see what's
> hot these days at CoffeeGeek, and get a new machine that brews at
> optimal temperature. Use fresh roasted, freshly ground beans. Get
> some citric acid (also available at Indian grocery stores) and descale
> your machine every month or two. If that is a budget buster, then use
> an inexpensive pour over device. Put your money into fresh beans and
> a decent grinder first.
> Best,
> Larry
Larry -- cut the BS.
cleancaf contains more than citric acid. do I have to cite all the
ingredients from the MSDS?
and further, it contains a premeasured amount of product, which
discourages the "MORE must be better" approach -- and it comes with
instructions
duh
Dave
www .hitechespresso,com
500 silvias done right
On Jun 24, 7:29 am, LF <fie...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> > in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> > dave
>
> Cleancaf may be prettier and pricier than generic citric acid, but
> does not work any better. Descaling every week or two when you are
> also using soft water is excessive.
>
> Michael, the biggest problem with the brewers you have is that they do
> not get the water hot enough for great brewing. My $0.02, see what's
> hot these days at CoffeeGeek, and get a new machine that brews at
> optimal temperature. Use fresh roasted, freshly ground beans. Get
> some citric acid (also available at Indian grocery stores) and descale
> your machine every month or two. If that is a budget buster, then use
> an inexpensive pour over device. Put your money into fresh beans and
> a decent grinder first.
> Best,
> Larry
Larry -- cut the BS.
cleancaf contains more than citric acid. do I have to cite all the
ingredients from the MSDS?
and further, it contains a premeasured amount of product, which
discourages the "MORE must be better" approach -- and it comes with
instructions
duh
Dave
www .hitechespresso,com
500 silvias done right
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 24, 7:29 am, LF <fie...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> > in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> > dave
>
> Cleancaf may be prettier and pricier than generic citric acid, but
> does not work any better. Descaling every week or two when you are
> also using soft water is excessive.
>
> Michael, the biggest problem with the brewers you have is that they do
> not get the water hot enough for great brewing. My $0.02, see what's
> hot these days at CoffeeGeek, and get a new machine that brews at
> optimal temperature. Use fresh roasted, freshly ground beans. Get
> some citric acid (also available at Indian grocery stores) and descale
> your machine every month or two. If that is a budget buster, then use
> an inexpensive pour over device. Put your money into fresh beans and
> a decent grinder first.
I buy whatever concentrate goes under the name of a bottle of lemon,
usually for a buck. Something stronger in magnitude than citric acid,
and usually recommended diluted. Usually, an overnight affair.
From a Mr. Coffee steam toy, to a DeLonghi Bar32, to a Gaggia, all -
espresso-. If reversed, I'd go back to the DeLonghi first, then a
moka pot, for a toss-up between the garbage can for the Mr. Coffee or
a better brewed apparatus, a microwave and filter of sorts is apt to
suffice.
Not that Gaggia isn't known for wide temperature fluctuations, but for
an adequate conical-burr grinder of commercial import, I employ on
home roasted beans, results are nonetheless comparatively spectacular
to anything I've yet to taste brewed. Least to mention a modest
monetary outlay on well-returned residuals. Between 2 and 3 hundred
pounds of beans I've roasted over hardly more than a couple years, at
$3US a pound, is far from equating anything comparable Starbucks
conceivably offers. Never having been there, I think it's safe to
assume.
On Jun 24, 7:29 am, LF <fie...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > TOO late to descale this machine.
>
> > in the future, use cleancaf every week or 2. and feed it SOFT water.
>
> > dave
>
> Cleancaf may be prettier and pricier than generic citric acid, but
> does not work any better. Descaling every week or two when you are
> also using soft water is excessive.
>
> Michael, the biggest problem with the brewers you have is that they do
> not get the water hot enough for great brewing. My $0.02, see what's
> hot these days at CoffeeGeek, and get a new machine that brews at
> optimal temperature. Use fresh roasted, freshly ground beans. Get
> some citric acid (also available at Indian grocery stores) and descale
> your machine every month or two. If that is a budget buster, then use
> an inexpensive pour over device. Put your money into fresh beans and
> a decent grinder first.
I buy whatever concentrate goes under the name of a bottle of lemon,
usually for a buck. Something stronger in magnitude than citric acid,
and usually recommended diluted. Usually, an overnight affair.
From a Mr. Coffee steam toy, to a DeLonghi Bar32, to a Gaggia, all -
espresso-. If reversed, I'd go back to the DeLonghi first, then a
moka pot, for a toss-up between the garbage can for the Mr. Coffee or
a better brewed apparatus, a microwave and filter of sorts is apt to
suffice.
Not that Gaggia isn't known for wide temperature fluctuations, but for
an adequate conical-burr grinder of commercial import, I employ on
home roasted beans, results are nonetheless comparatively spectacular
to anything I've yet to taste brewed. Least to mention a modest
monetary outlay on well-returned residuals. Between 2 and 3 hundred
pounds of beans I've roasted over hardly more than a couple years, at
$3US a pound, is far from equating anything comparable Starbucks
conceivably offers. Never having been there, I think it's safe to
assume.
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 24, 11:21 am, Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 7:29 am, LF <fie...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > TOO late to descale this machine.
SNIP!
> I buy whatever concentrate goes under the name of a bottle of lemon,
> usually for a buck. Something stronger in magnitude than citric acid,
> and usually recommended diluted. Usually, an overnight affair.
SNAP!
Seeing as how the smart money has it that my Delonghi is not longhi
for this world anyway, I may as well go ahead and give it a dose of
lemon. I figure I'll load it up with a 1/3 H2O to 2/3 lemon juice
concoction, let half run through, pull the plug, and let her stew
overnight. If it pulls a Lazarus on me and rises to its little rubber
feet, I'm golden. If it lies there like a dead thing, nothing's lost.
Thanks for your input, Caffeine-Americans!
M
On Jun 24, 11:21 am, Flasherly <gjerr...@ij,net > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 7:29 am, LF <fie...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 3:53 pm, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > TOO late to descale this machine.
SNIP!
> I buy whatever concentrate goes under the name of a bottle of lemon,
> usually for a buck. Something stronger in magnitude than citric acid,
> and usually recommended diluted. Usually, an overnight affair.
SNAP!
Seeing as how the smart money has it that my Delonghi is not longhi
for this world anyway, I may as well go ahead and give it a dose of
lemon. I figure I'll load it up with a 1/3 H2O to 2/3 lemon juice
concoction, let half run through, pull the plug, and let her stew
overnight. If it pulls a Lazarus on me and rises to its little rubber
feet, I'm golden. If it lies there like a dead thing, nothing's lost.
Thanks for your input, Caffeine-Americans!
M
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:53:58 -0700 (PDT), lockjaw
<davebobbl@gmail,com > wrote:
>and feed it SOFT water.
just not SOFTENED water.
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:53:58 -0700 (PDT), lockjaw
<davebobbl@gmail,com > wrote:
>and feed it SOFT water.
just not SOFTENED water.
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
Michael Hudson wrote:
>
> I did read in the archives that citric acid from the druggist might be
> worth trying, and I will try it. Can anyone think of any other modes,
> methods, products or solutions?
1. You might email these folks and ask them; they claim to have cleaners
that will work:
http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.coffeecleaner.shtml
2. Alternatively (and better), dump the Delonghi and consider a ceramic
filtercone:
http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.brewers.shtml#filtercones
This is the best brewing system, in my newbie opinion. I tend to cool a
pot of just-boiled water to 200 degrees; add ground coffee and stir;
steep 'til the coffee has bloomed and starts to sink (about 2 minutes
-depending upon the grind and other things I do not yet understand);
pour through one of these with a good gold or paper filter (gold
produces an oilier, "richer" cup; paper a "cleaner" cup).
3. No time to boil water, infuse, and pour over?
http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.technivorm.shtml
HTH
Michael Hudson wrote:
>
> I did read in the archives that citric acid from the druggist might be
> worth trying, and I will try it. Can anyone think of any other modes,
> methods, products or solutions?
1. You might email these folks and ask them; they claim to have cleaners
that will work:
http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.coffeecleaner.shtml
2. Alternatively (and better), dump the Delonghi and consider a ceramic
filtercone:
http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.brewers.shtml#filtercones
This is the best brewing system, in my newbie opinion. I tend to cool a
pot of just-boiled water to 200 degrees; add ground coffee and stir;
steep 'til the coffee has bloomed and starts to sink (about 2 minutes
-depending upon the grind and other things I do not yet understand);
pour through one of these with a good gold or paper filter (gold
produces an oilier, "richer" cup; paper a "cleaner" cup).
3. No time to boil water, infuse, and pour over?
http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.technivorm.shtml
HTH
Re: Auto Drip Innards Cleaning? Anyone? Bueller?
On Jun 28, 3:55 pm, bogus <bo...@bogus.bog> wrote:
> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
> > I did read in the archives that citric acid from the druggist might be
> > worth trying, and I will try it. Can anyone think of any other modes,
> > methods, products or solutions?
>
> 1. You might email these folks and ask them; they claim to have cleaners
> that will work:
>
> http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.coffeecleaner.shtml
>
> 2. Alternatively (and better), dump the Delonghi and consider a ceramic
> filtercone:
>
> http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.brewers.shtml#filtercones
>
> This is the best brewing system, in my newbie opinion. I tend to cool a
> pot of just-boiled water to 200 degrees; add ground coffee and stir;
> steep 'til the coffee has bloomed and starts to sink (about 2 minutes
> -depending upon the grind and other things I do not yet understand);
> pour through one of these with a good gold or paper filter (gold
> produces an oilier, "richer" cup; paper a "cleaner" cup).
>
> 3. No time to boil water, infuse, and pour over?
>
> http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.technivorm.shtml
>
> HTH
Thanks, bogus, and all who responded. Those Technivorm machines look
pretty damned special but I have to say that I'm actually very pleased
with the joe made by the Delonghi. My wife noticed the improvement
over the Krups machine, as well. The Delonghi apparently has an
automatically adjusting hot plate that switches itself on and off as,
even after an hour on the plate, the coffee is still very palatable.
Not fresh as a spring lamb, mind you, but there's no burnt taste
whatsoever. It's good enough for us, anyhow.
Thanks again,
M
On Jun 28, 3:55 pm, bogus <bo...@bogus.bog> wrote:
> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
> > I did read in the archives that citric acid from the druggist might be
> > worth trying, and I will try it. Can anyone think of any other modes,
> > methods, products or solutions?
>
> 1. You might email these folks and ask them; they claim to have cleaners
> that will work:
>
> http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.coffeecleaner.shtml
>
> 2. Alternatively (and better), dump the Delonghi and consider a ceramic
> filtercone:
>
> http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.brewers.shtml#filtercones
>
> This is the best brewing system, in my newbie opinion. I tend to cool a
> pot of just-boiled water to 200 degrees; add ground coffee and stir;
> steep 'til the coffee has bloomed and starts to sink (about 2 minutes
> -depending upon the grind and other things I do not yet understand);
> pour through one of these with a good gold or paper filter (gold
> produces an oilier, "richer" cup; paper a "cleaner" cup).
>
> 3. No time to boil water, infuse, and pour over?
>
> http :// www .sweetmarias,com /prod.technivorm.shtml
>
> HTH
Thanks, bogus, and all who responded. Those Technivorm machines look
pretty damned special but I have to say that I'm actually very pleased
with the joe made by the Delonghi. My wife noticed the improvement
over the Krups machine, as well. The Delonghi apparently has an
automatically adjusting hot plate that switches itself on and off as,
even after an hour on the plate, the coffee is still very palatable.
Not fresh as a spring lamb, mind you, but there's no burnt taste
whatsoever. It's good enough for us, anyhow.
Thanks again,
M
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