Cuban Embargo

All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
Recent changes to the Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part
515 (the "Regulations"), administered and enforced by the Office of
Foreign Assets Control ("OFAC"), have prompted OFAC to revise the
Cuban Cigar Update previously issued on June 19, 1998. This notice
provides important information to the public on Cuban-origin tobacco
products.Importation of Cuban-Origin Cigars Into the United States.
There is now an across the board ban on the importationin to the
United States of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco
products, as well as most other products of Cuban origin. This
prohibition extends to such products acquired in Cuba, irrespective of
whether a traveler is licensed by OFAC to engage in Cuba travel-
related transactions, and to such products acquired in third countries
by any U.S. traveler, including purchases at duty free shops.
Importation of these Cuban goods is prohibited whether the goods are
purchased directly by the importer or given to the importer as a gift.
Similarly, the import ban extends to Cuban-origin tobacco products
offered for sale over the Internet or through the catalog mail
purchases. Prior to August 1, 2004, persons returning to the United
States who were licensed under the Regulations to engage in Cuba
travel-related transactions were authorized by general license to
import up to $100 worth of Cuban merchandise as accompanied baggage.
Cuban tobacco and alcohol products were included in that general
license. That general license was removed from the
Regulations.Transactions Involving Cuban-Origin Goods in Third
Countries The question is often asked whether United States citizens
or permanent resident aliens of the United States may legally purchase
Cuban origin goods, including tobacco and alcohol products, in a third
country for personal use outside the United States. The answer is no.
The Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise
dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any
merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of
Cuban origin; or (2) is or has been located in or transported from or
through Cuba; or (3) is made or derived in whole or in part of any
article which is the growth, produce or manufacture of Cuba. Thus, in
the case of cigars, the prohibition extends to cigars manufactured in
Cuba and sold in a third country and to cigars manufactured in a third
country from tobacco grown in Cuba. Cigars Produced from Cuban Tobacco
Seed OFAC does not consider cigars produced from tobacco grown and
harvested in a third country from Cuban seeds to constitute a growth
or product of Cuba. Therefore, the Regulations do not prevent
transactions or dealing in those products by persons subject to the
jurisdiction of the United States,as long as there is no interest of
Cuba or a Cuban national, direct or indirect, in the sale of such
cigars. Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations range up
to $1,000,000 in fines for corporations, $250,000 for individuals and
up to 10 years in prison. Civil penaltiesof up to $65,000 per
violation may be imposed by OFAC. Suspected embargo violations may be
reported telephonically to OFAC's Enforcement Division at
(202)622-2430 or via facsimile at 202 622-1657. Date 09/30/2004
If the tobacco was grown in and benefits Cuba or a Cuban citizen it
falls under the embargo.

MikeZ <Mike.Gets.His@gmail.com> wrote:

> All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
> all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
> branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.

Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
near the US?

It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.

Ed Fnord <ed@example.com> wrote:

>MikeZ <Mike.Gets.His@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
>> all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
>> branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
>
>Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
>near the US?
>
>It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.

Technically, yes, as a US Citizen, you are still subject to US law.

Technically. ;-)

In article <32bed5245d4ed7b70fb187d07ce25291@pseudo.borked.net>,
Ed Fnord <ed@example.com> wrote:

> MikeZ <Mike.Gets.His@gmail.com> wrote:
> > All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
> > all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
> > branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.

> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
> near the US?
>
> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.

Your sense that it's none of the gov'ts business what you do in Canada
or Mexico (or Amsterdam) is correct. However, THEY still feel that it's
their business, and they have more guns than the typical citizen.

--
Please take off your pants or I won't read your e-mail.
I will not, no matter how "good" the deal, patronise any business which sends
unsolicited commercial e-mail or that advertises in discussion newsgroups.

"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked.com> wrote in message
news:Misc-77F0D5.13274821042008@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <32bed5245d4ed7b70fb187d07ce25291@pseudo.borked.net>,
> Ed Fnord <ed@example.com> wrote:
>
>> MikeZ <Mike.Gets.His@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
>> > all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
>> > branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
>
>> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
>> near the US?
>>
>> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.
>
> Your sense that it's none of the gov'ts business what you do in Canada
> or Mexico (or Amsterdam) is correct. However, THEY still feel that it's
> their business, and they have more guns than the typical citizen.

Yeah...unfortunately: government = gangsters.

On Apr 21, 3:27=A0pm, Miss Elaine Eos <M...@your-pants.PlayNaked.com>
wrote:
> In article <32bed5245d4ed7b70fb187d07ce25...@pseudo.borked.net>,
> =A0Ed Fnord <e...@example.com> wrote:
>
> > MikeZ <Mike.Gets....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
> > > all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
> > > branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
> > Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
> > near the US?
>
> > It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.
>
> Your sense that it's none of the gov'ts business what you do in Canada
> or Mexico (or Amsterdam) is correct. =A0However, THEY still feel that it's=

> their business, and they have more guns than the typical citizen.
>
> --
> Please take off your pants or I won't read your e-mail.
> I will not, no matter how "good" the deal, patronise any business which se=
nds
> unsolicited commercial e-mail or that advertises in discussion newsgroups.=



Typical criminal attitude/response!
It's what you do when no one=92s watching that speaks to your character.

Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
> In article <32bed5245d4ed7b70fb187d07ce25291@pseudo.borked.net>,
> Ed Fnord <ed@example.com> wrote:
>
>> MikeZ <Mike.Gets.His@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
>>> all people and organizations physically in the United States, and
>>> all branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the
>>> world.
>
>> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
>> near the US?
>>
>> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.
>
> Your sense that it's none of the gov'ts business what you do in Canada
> or Mexico (or Amsterdam) is correct.


However, THEY still feel that
> it's their business, and they have more guns than the typical citizen.

And they're not afraid to use them almost anywhere they please.

bernie




--
"Official ASC Shaman"

On Apr 21, 8:20 am, Ed Fnord <e...@example.com> wrote:
> MikeZ <Mike.Gets....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
> > all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
> > branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
>
> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
> near the US?
>
> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.


You are so wrong on so many levels.

Ed Fnord wrote:
> MikeZ <Mike.Gets.His@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
>> all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
>> branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
>
> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
> near the US?
>
> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.

Technically it's still illegal.

Enforcement becomes somewhat of an issue however.

bernie


--
"Official ASC Shaman"

"btorvik2" <btorvik2@aol.com> wrote
>>> All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
>>> all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
>>> branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
>>
>> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
>> near the US?
>>
>> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.


You are correct. However, they think it is. Ergo, they will screw you if
they get the chance.

Every country thinks that its citizens are somehow under their laws where
ever they are. It's baloney, of course, and very selectively enforced. Nike
still makes shoes using child labor overseas. Nonetheless, there are lots of
folks in jail in their home countries who committed crimes elsewhere (not
involving extradition treaties).

But most of them had really, really bad lawyers. I suspect that you would
have a very good chance to beat the wrap with a good legal eagle. Assuming
that some US agent saw you buying three boxes of Cuban cigars in Europe, all
of which you smoked there, technically, you could be arrested when you
returned to the USA. But getting a conviction on that would be difficult and
probably not worth the government's time unless they wanted to make an
example of you. If so, I suggest you ask for a jury trial. You'll walk for
sure.

Michael
New Orleans, Louisiana USA
fermanis@REMOVEsprynet.com
==================================

On May 31, 11:29 am, "MLF" <ferma...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> "btorvik2" <btorv...@aol.com> wrote
>
> >>> All U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located,
> >>> all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all
> >>> branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.
>
> >> Even if I buy and smoke 'em in Canada or Europe, and they never come
> >> near the US?
>
> >> It's none of the US gov't's f***ing business.
>
> You are correct. However, they think it is. Ergo, they will screw you if
> they get the chance.
>
> Every country thinks that its citizens are somehow under their laws where
> ever they are. It's baloney, of course, and very selectively enforced. Nik=
e
> still makes shoes using child labor overseas. Nonetheless, there are lots =
of
> folks in jail in their home countries who committed crimes elsewhere (not
> involving extradition treaties).
>
> But most of them had really, really bad lawyers. I suspect that you would
> have a very good chance to beat the wrap with a good legal eagle. Assuming=

> that some US agent saw you buying three boxes of Cuban cigars in Europe, a=
ll
> of which you smoked there, technically, you could be arrested when you
> returned to the USA. But getting a conviction on that would be difficult a=
nd
> probably not worth the government's time unless they wanted to make an
> example of you. If so, I suggest you ask for a jury trial. You'll walk for=

> sure.
>
> Michael
> New Orleans, Louisiana USA
> ferma...@REMOVEsprynet.com
> =========================
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