Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

On 2008-03-30, Miss Elaine Eos <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote:
> In article <IRAHj.301$Re7.103@trnddc04>,
> "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@gte,net > wrote:
>
>> Ice chunks the size of the state of Connecticut fall off all the time.
>
> You need to learn a sense of scale, Paul.
>
> Fire up Google-Earth -- it's free, and it's cool. Look at Connecticut.
> It's small, and insignificant. They could cover the entire state 3'
> deep in CO2 and no one would notice. Really.

Anyone under three foot tall would notice pretty quick... and those who
sleep on the floor would be *very* late for work. :)

Justin.

--
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Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Justin C" <justin.0803@purestblue,com > wrote in message
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> Anyone under three foot tall would notice pretty quick... and those who
> sleep on the floor would be *very* late for work. :)

On the upside, it would solve the unemployment problem ....

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:08:08 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@gte,net >
wrote:

>Then they come for your precious bodily fluids.

I tried to give them some but they told me to keep it. :-(
CigarBaron
(bodily fluids never get out)

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Marc Schneiderman" <garbaron@telerama,com > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:08:08 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@gte,net >
> wrote:
>
>>Then they come for your precious bodily fluids.
>
> I tried to give them some but they told me to keep it. :-(
> CigarBaron
> (bodily fluids never get out)

You must be ready to burst!

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote in message
news:Misc-4B1DA5.11532529032008@news.sf.sbcglobal,net ...
> < http :// environment.newscientist,com /article/dn13530-antarctic-iceshelf-h
> anging-by-a-thread.html>
>
> They sky is falling.
>
> Er, the sea is rising.
>
> Rather, the temperature's rising.
>
> Drink your liquor and hide your women!

My women want to go sunbathing.

>
>
> < http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkins_Sound>
>
> On March 25, 2008 a 405-square-kilometer (156 sq mi) chunk of the
> Wilkins ice shelf disintegrated, putting an even larger portion of the
> glacial ice shelf at risk.[2] [3] Scientists were surprised when they
> discovered the rest of the 14,000-square-kilometer (5,400 sq mi)[4] ice
> shelf is beginning to break away from the continent. What is left of the
> Wilkins ice shelf is now connected by only a narrow beam of ice.


Wow!!

Well, that's 0.01% of the entire Antartic ice mass! Oh, the humanity...um,
the penguins!


> Misc "Spring has sprung..."

BOING!!!!

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

On 2008-03-29, Tom S. <t.m.s.work@cox,net > wrote:
>
> Well, that's 0.01% of the entire Antartic ice mass! Oh, the humanity...um,
> the penguins!

Your calculation is incorrect. I'm afraid it's much worse than that,
you're out by a whole order of magnitude... it's .1% As you can see,
this makes a *huge* difference[1].

Justin.

1: Well, it probably does to somebody.
--
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Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

In article <slrnfuv0h7.m7l.justin.0803@stigmata.purestblue,com >,
Justin C <justin.0803@purestblue,com > wrote:

> On 2008-03-29, Tom S. <t.m.s.work@cox,net > wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's 0.01% of the entire Antartic ice mass! Oh, the humanity...um,
> > the penguins!
>
> Your calculation is incorrect. I'm afraid it's much worse than that,
> you're out by a whole order of magnitude... it's .1% As you can see,
> this makes a *huge* difference[1].
>
> Justin.
>
> 1: Well, it probably does to somebody.

The penguin children! Think of the children!

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Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

In article <Misc-2AE552.08434330032008@news.sf.sbcglobal,net >,
Miss Elaine Eos <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote:

> In article <slrnfuv0h7.m7l.justin.0803@stigmata.purestblue,com >,
> Justin C <justin.0803@purestblue,com > wrote:
>
> > On 2008-03-29, Tom S. <t.m.s.work@cox,net > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, that's 0.01% of the entire Antartic ice mass! Oh, the
> > > humanity...um,
> > > the penguins!
> >
> > Your calculation is incorrect. I'm afraid it's much worse than that,
> > you're out by a whole order of magnitude... it's .1% As you can see,
> > this makes a *huge* difference[1].
> >
> > Justin.
> >
> > 1: Well, it probably does to somebody.
>
> The penguin children! Think of the children!

FYI, in case you're Google-Earth-ing all of this:

70ƒ29'54.58"S
74ƒ29'51.64"W

A copy/paste of my kml place-marker follows; you should be able to copy
this & paste back into GE:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><kml
xmlns=" http :// earth.google,com /kml/2.2"><Document>
<name>KmlFile</name> <StyleMap id="msn_snowflake_simple"> <Pair>
<key>normal</key> <styleUrl>#sn_snowflake_simple</styleUrl>
</Pair> <Pair> <key>highlight</key>
<styleUrl>#sh_snowflake_simple</styleUrl> </Pair> </StyleMap> <Style
id="sn_snowflake_simple"> <IconStyle> <scale>1.2</scale>
<Icon>
<href> http :// maps.google,com /mapfiles/kml/shapes/snowflake_simple.png</hr
ef> </Icon> <hotSpot x="0.5" y="0" xunits="fraction"
yunits="fraction"/> </IconStyle> </Style> <Style
id="sh_snowflake_simple"> <IconStyle> <scale>1.4</scale>
<Icon>
<href> http :// maps.google,com /mapfiles/kml/shapes/snowflake_simple.png</hr
ef> </Icon> <hotSpot x="0.5" y="0" xunits="fraction"
yunits="fraction"/> </IconStyle> </Style> <Placemark>
<name>Wilkins Ice Shelf</name>
<description> http :// upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/20080325_
wilkins_figure1.jpg http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkins_SoundMarch 28,
2008, 160sq mi fell off (about the size of Connecticut.)</description>
<LookAt> <longitude>-72.69829136026421</longitude>
<latitude>-70.58008607716735</latitude> <altitude>0</altitude>
<range>256930.6944424205</range> <tilt>0</tilt>
<heading>10.26043895687232</heading>
<altitudeMode>relativeToGround</altitudeMode> </LookAt>
<styleUrl>#msn_snowflake_simple</styleUrl> <Point>
<coordinates>-74.49767694990199,-70.49849441316921,0</coordinates>
</Point> </Placemark></Document></kml>

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Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Justin C" <justin.0803@purestblue,com > wrote in message
news:slrnfuv0h7.m7l.justin.0803@stigmata.purestblue,com ...
> On 2008-03-29, Tom S. <t.m.s.work@cox,net > wrote:
>>
>> Well, that's 0.01% of the entire Antartic ice mass! Oh, the
>> humanity...um,
>> the penguins!
>
> Your calculation is incorrect. I'm afraid it's much worse than that,
> you're out by a whole order of magnitude... it's .1% As you can see,
> this makes a *huge* difference[1].

http :// icecap.us/images/uploads/MISLEADING_REPORTS_ABOUT_ANTARCTICA.pdf


>
> Justin.
>
> 1: Well, it probably does to somebody.

Yes, mathematiciian...mathamama...maethamaticianians....people who study
numbers.

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote in message
news:Misc-4B1DA5.11532529032008@news.sf.sbcglobal,net ...
> < http :// environment.newscientist,com /article/dn13530-antarctic-iceshelf-h
> anging-by-a-thread.html>
>

I said I wanted some ice in my drink, but this is ridiculous ....

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:53:26 GMT, Miss Elaine Eos
<Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote:

>< http :// environment.newscientist,com /article/dn13530-antarctic-iceshelf-h
>anging-by-a-thread.html>
>
>They sky is falling.
>
>Er, the sea is rising.
>

Apparently this happened in the 1980s as well. I don't decry global
warming...just about how much we're truly contributing towards it.
CigarBaron

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Marc Schneiderman" <garbaron@telerama,com > wrote in message
news:cc3vu31iq9cnvc3trda9pk6hu3am3oplo1@4ax,com ...
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:53:26 GMT, Miss Elaine Eos
> <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote:
>
>>< http :// environment.newscientist,com /article/dn13530-antarctic-iceshelf-h
>>anging-by-a-thread.html>
>>
>>They sky is falling.
>>
>>Er, the sea is rising.
>>
>
> Apparently this happened in the 1980s as well. I don't decry global
> warming...just about how much we're truly contributing towards it.
> CigarBaron

Well consider that the ice in question, 250 square miles in area and 1 mile
thick, is estimated to be more than a million years old and it is just now
melting, that says a lot about what has been happening in the last 30 years.
That would be an unprecedented even. Nowhere in the geologic history has
such instability been recorded in as little as 30 years, it usually has been
in the order of tens of thousands of years.

Paul

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf

"Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@gte,net > wrote:

>
>"Marc Schneiderman" <garbaron@telerama,com > wrote in message
>news:cc3vu31iq9cnvc3trda9pk6hu3am3oplo1@4ax,com ...
>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:53:26 GMT, Miss Elaine Eos
>> <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote:
>>
>>>< http :// environment.newscientist,com /article/dn13530-antarctic-iceshelf-h
>>>anging-by-a-thread.html>
>>>
>>>They sky is falling.
>>>
>>>Er, the sea is rising.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently this happened in the 1980s as well. I don't decry global
>> warming...just about how much we're truly contributing towards it.
>> CigarBaron
>
>Well consider that the ice in question, 250 square miles in area and 1 mile
>thick, is estimated to be more than a million years old and it is just now
>melting, that says a lot about what has been happening in the last 30 years.

True

>That would be an unprecedented even. Nowhere in the geologic history has
>such instability been recorded in as little as 30 years, it usually has been
>in the order of tens of thousands of years.

True-ish. Usually, but not always. Rapid climate change is not
unprecedented.

>
>Paul
>

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Mickey" <Mickey@NOSPAMFatHounds,com > wrote in message
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> "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@gte,net > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Marc Schneiderman" <garbaron@telerama,com > wrote in message
>>news:cc3vu31iq9cnvc3trda9pk6hu3am3oplo1@4ax,com ...
>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:53:26 GMT, Miss Elaine Eos
>>> <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>< http :// environment.newscientist,com /article/dn13530-antarctic-iceshelf-h
>>>>anging-by-a-thread.html>
>>>>
>>>>They sky is falling.
>>>>
>>>>Er, the sea is rising.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently this happened in the 1980s as well. I don't decry global
>>> warming...just about how much we're truly contributing towards it.
>>> CigarBaron
>>
>>Well consider that the ice in question, 250 square miles in area and 1
>>mile
>>thick, is estimated to be more than a million years old and it is just now
>>melting, that says a lot about what has been happening in the last 30
>>years.
>
> True
>
>>That would be an unprecedented even. Nowhere in the geologic history has
>>such instability been recorded in as little as 30 years, it usually has
>>been
>>in the order of tens of thousands of years.
>
> True-ish. Usually, but not always. Rapid climate change is not
> unprecedented.


Well the climatologists say it is. So who do I believe? A caveman who
actually knows an ice age of a climatologist who studies these things?

Paul

Re: Smoke one for the Wilkins Ice Shelf


"Mickey" <Mickey@NOSPAMFatHounds,com > wrote in message
news:2vkvu3ljk40jj6imkk7an3v3146khvbdfi@4ax,com ...
> "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@gte,net > wrote:

>
>>That would be an unprecedented even. Nowhere in the geologic history has
>>such instability been recorded in as little as 30 years, it usually has
>>been
>>in the order of tens of thousands of years.
>
> True-ish.

Not true at all.

> Usually, but not always. Rapid climate change is not
> unprecedented.

But the 1F rise over the last 100 years is not at all unusual.

AAMOF, it's been quite stable compared to other eras and epochs.