NFL Draft Party in Miami

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

Tom S. wrote:
> "jeremy" <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote in message
> news:xY6Rj.23201$%41.21690@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc . com ...
>> Tom S. wrote:
>>
>>> What is a "twin turbo ticket"?
>> License for a twin engine turboprop as opposed to the present BaronAir
>> twin gas engine.
>
> Umm...no.
>
> The license is Private, Commercial, or ATP.
>
> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
> Rotorwing, etc.
>
>> When you upgrade engines, you have to be checked out on turbine operation,
>> it is very different from pulling the chord on the lawnmower.
>
> No...the only time you need a TYPE RATING is if the TURBOPROP is over 12,500
> lbs MTOW, or if the engines are straight turbine.
>
> Your INSURANCE company may require a 20-25 (or more) CHECKOUT even if a type
> rating is not required by FARs.
>
> Tom S.
> Comm, ME, Inst., CE-525, CE-525(S)
>
>
Sorry, I am English.

JJ

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

In article <q0jRj.3737$26.1906@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net >,
jeremy <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote:

> Sorry, I am English.

It's ok, we still like you... ;)

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Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami


"jeremy" <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote in message
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> Tom S. wrote:
>> "jeremy" <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote in message
>> news:xY6Rj.23201$%41.21690@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc . com ...
>>> Tom S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is a "twin turbo ticket"?
>>> License for a twin engine turboprop as opposed to the present BaronAir
>>> twin gas engine.
>>
>> Umm...no.
>>
>> The license is Private, Commercial, or ATP.
>>
>> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
>> Rotorwing, etc.
>>
>>> When you upgrade engines, you have to be checked out on turbine
>>> operation, it is very different from pulling the chord on the lawnmower.
>>
>> No...the only time you need a TYPE RATING is if the TURBOPROP is over
>> 12,500 lbs MTOW, or if the engines are straight turbine.
>>
>> Your INSURANCE company may require a 20-25 (or more) CHECKOUT even if a
>> type rating is not required by FARs.
>>
>> Tom S.
>> Comm, ME, Inst., CE-525, CE-525(S)
>>
>>
> Sorry, I am English.
>
> JJ

Well, there's nothing we can do about that! ~)

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

Tom S. wrote:

> The license is Private, Commercial, or ATP.
>
> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
> Rotorwing, etc.
>
>> When you upgrade engines, you have to be checked out on turbine operation,
>> it is very different from pulling the chord on the lawnmower.
>
> No...the only time you need a TYPE RATING is if the TURBOPROP is over 12,500
> lbs MTOW, or if the engines are straight turbine.

Basler
Weight - pounds

Maximum take-off 28,750

Cargo Basic
Operating weight 15,750
Maximum useful load 13,000

Things have changed since I last had a ticket of any kind, and I bow to your
superior knowledge for people in your country. However, nobody was going to
let me step from a twin gas to a twin turboprop without certification, but
that was back when you had to get a hot section every 5,000 hours and it was
in the UK where the requirements were somewhat different 35 years ago and my
god was the Civil Aviation Authority not the FAA. It was extremely rare for a
holder of a PPL to have access to/want to/or get a chance at stick time in
anything with a turbine.

>
> Your INSURANCE company may require a 20-25 (or more) CHECKOUT even if a type
> rating is not required by FARs.

When I first flew, insurance was not compulsory for what you call general
aviation.


JJ

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami


"jeremy" <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote in message
news:hfjRj.3738$26.540@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
> Tom S. wrote:
>
>> The license is Private, Commercial, or ATP.
>>
>> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
>> Rotorwing, etc.
>>
>>> When you upgrade engines, you have to be checked out on turbine
>>> operation, it is very different from pulling the chord on the lawnmower.
>>
>> No...the only time you need a TYPE RATING is if the TURBOPROP is over
>> 12,500 lbs MTOW, or if the engines are straight turbine.
>
> Basler
> Weight - pounds
>
> Maximum take-off 28,750
>
> Cargo Basic
> Operating weight 15,750
> Maximum useful load 13,000
>
> Things have changed since I last had a ticket of any kind, and I bow to
> your superior knowledge for people in your country. However, nobody was
> going to let me step from a twin gas to a twin turboprop without
> certification, but that was back when you had to get a hot section every
> 5,000 hours and it was in the UK where the requirements were somewhat
> different 35 years ago and my god was the Civil Aviation Authority not the
> FAA. It was extremely rare for a holder of a PPL to have access to/want
> to/or get a chance at stick time in anything with a turbine.
>
>>
>> Your INSURANCE company may require a 20-25 (or more) CHECKOUT even if a
>> type rating is not required by FARs.
>
> When I first flew, insurance was not compulsory for what you call general
> aviation.

It isn't here either, but your putting your whole financials in jeopardy if
you don't have it.

If you own an airplane and want insurance, your insurance company will want
a checkout (signed off by an instructor), even if your going from, say, a
Skylane to something with retractable gear. Or if you go from something like
a 172 to a 182 (235 HP, constant speed prop).

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

In article <2q7Rj.58507$QC.4138@newsfe20.lga>,
"Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:

> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
> Rotorwing, etc.

There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that. I
figured [gas] multi was multi...

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Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
> In article <2q7Rj.58507$QC.4138@newsfe20.lga>,
> "Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:
>
>> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
>> Rotorwing, etc.
>
> There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that. I
> figured [gas] multi was multi...
>

Did you mean the egg-beater?


JJ

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"jeremy" <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote in message
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> Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
>> In article <2q7Rj.58507$QC.4138@newsfe20.lga>,
>> "Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:
>>
>>> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline
>>> thrust, Rotorwing, etc.
>>
>> There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that. I
>> figured [gas] multi was multi...
>>
>
> Did you mean the egg-beater?
>
He means the Cessna Skymaster (push-pull). We call an egg beater a
"helichomper".

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

In article <wAsRj.50$hJ1.33@newsfe17.lga>,
"Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:

> > Did you mean the egg-beater?

> He means the Cessna Skymaster (push-pull).

Yeah, that's the one.

Thanks! :)

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Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

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jeremy <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote:

> Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
> > There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that.

> Did you mean the egg-beater?

Funny, it's been so long, I don't remember its actual designation. The
push-me-pull-you twin. A Cessna, maybe.

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"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked . com > wrote in message
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> In article <4bmRj.722$To6.238@newssvr21.news.prodigy . net >,
> jeremy <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote:
>
>> Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
>> > There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that.
>
>> Did you mean the egg-beater?
>
> Funny, it's been so long, I don't remember its actual designation. The
> push-me-pull-you twin. A Cessna, maybe.
>

Cessna 337 Skymaster.

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

In article <l6ARj.68154$yk5.46448@newsfe18.lga>,
"Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:

> "Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked . com > wrote in message
> news:Misc-A79AF4.21170428042008@news.sf.sbcglobal . net ...
> > In article <4bmRj.722$To6.238@newssvr21.news.prodigy . net >,
> > jeremy <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote:

> >> Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
> >> > There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that.

> >> Did you mean the egg-beater?

> > Funny, it's been so long, I don't remember its actual designation. The
> > push-me-pull-you twin. A Cessna, maybe.

> Cessna 337 Skymaster.

Yeah, that's the one; thanks.

So what's an eggbeater? :)

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Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami

Miss Elaine Eos wrote:

> So what's an eggbeater? :)
>

Used to be a non-turbine rotary wing as it included autogyros, but Tom should
know as I appear to be a few decades out of date as evidenced by referring to
time in type as a ticket to fly.

JJ

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami


"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked . com > wrote in message
news:Misc-D2A7B0.06412529042008@news.sf.sbcglobal . net ...
> In article <l6ARj.68154$yk5.46448@newsfe18.lga>,
> "Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:
>
>> "Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked . com > wrote in message
>> news:Misc-A79AF4.21170428042008@news.sf.sbcglobal . net ...
>> > In article <4bmRj.722$To6.238@newssvr21.news.prodigy . net >,
>> > jeremy <jeremy@j-ellendesigns . com > wrote:
>
>> >> Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
>> >> > There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that.
>
>> >> Did you mean the egg-beater?
>
>> > Funny, it's been so long, I don't remember its actual designation. The
>> > push-me-pull-you twin. A Cessna, maybe.
>
>> Cessna 337 Skymaster.
>
> Yeah, that's the one; thanks.
>
> So what's an eggbeater? :)

Helicopter, mostly the MD-500 with it's 5 blade, fast turning rotor.

Re: NFL Draft Party in Miami


"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@your-pants.PlayNaked . com > wrote in message
news:Misc-19C045.07281828042008@news.sf.sbcglobal . net ...
> In article <2q7Rj.58507$QC.4138@newsfe20.lga>,
> "Tom S." <t.m.s.work@cox . net > wrote:
>
>> The ratings are Instrument, MultiEngine, Multiengine - Centerline thrust,
>> Rotorwing, etc.
>
> There's a separate rating for the mix-master?! I did not know that.

Yup. You're not legal if your training is CLT. On the other hand, if your ME
is standard config, your good to go in the mix master.

When I got the 525 rating, though, you had to have a standard ME rating even
though the CE series are considered CLT.

> I figured [gas] multi was multi...

The FARs make no distinction (gas vs turbine) unless the MTOW is over 12,500
lbs.

When I got the 525 rating, it was 13 days (consecutive) training. The last
two were in the sim. The [S] (single pilot) endorsement was four extra days.
When I was done I felt, literally, like I was rode hard and hung up wet.