another criminal anti-smoker outed

Marc Schneiderman wrote:
> On 8 May 2008 21:44:39 GMT, Bart Goddard <goddardbe@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
>> You cited some instances in
>> which bastards grew up to be exemplary citizens, but that's
>> hardly the case in general.
>
> Quite true. I've always maintained that you can't legislate based
> upon anecdotes. There will always be outliers.

As well as out-and-out liars.

jim b.

--
UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
expects users to be computer-friendly.

Mike wrote:

>
> It has to do with knuckleheads like Fosella and Spitzer pandering to the
> anti-smoking lobbyists who lie about the results of tests to promote their
> cause.


Could you give us an example?

--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

Mike wrote:

> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
> smoking and help current smokers quit,

He must be a pretty good person, then.

> fathered a child during an affair.
>

And in which country is this "criminal" activity?

--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

"Robert Broughton" <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote in message
news:g01ok0$mel$1@venn.venn.bc.ca...
> Mike wrote:
>
>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>
> He must be a pretty good person, then.

To a statist thug, yes, he would sem that way.

>
>> fathered a child during an affair.
>>
>
> And in which country is this "criminal" activity?

Many.

On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
<rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:

>Mike wrote:
>
>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>
>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>


Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.

Ray wrote:

> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>
>>Mike wrote:
>>
>>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>>
>>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>>
>
>
> Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
> implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
> soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
> widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.


Hitler wanted to win a war. He knew that if he tried to invade Poland with
an army consisting entirely of creatures like yourself, they would have
dropped their rifles and ran away, back to their parents' basement.

--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

"Robert Broughton" <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote in message
news:g080vh$tnp$1@venn.venn.bc.ca...
> Ray wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
>> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>>>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>>>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>>>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>>>
>>>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
>> implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
>> soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
>> widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.
>
>
> Hitler wanted to win a war. He knew that if he tried to invade Poland with
> an army consisting entirely of creatures like yourself, they would have
> dropped their rifles and ran away, back to their parents' basement.
>
comeing from a K nuk that rich
> --
> Bob Broughton
> http://broughton.ca/
> Vancouver, BC, Canada
> "There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
> of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
> - Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:02 GMT, Robert Broughton
<rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:

>Ray wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
>> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>>>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>>>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>>>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>>>
>>>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
>> implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
>> soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
>> widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.
>
>
>Hitler wanted to win a war. He knew that if he tried to invade Poland with
>an army consisting entirely of creatures like yourself, they would have
>dropped their rifles and ran away, back to their parents' basement.



You stated that Congressman Fossella must be a good person because of
all his efforts to regulate tobacco products, regardless of any
misdeeds he may have committed. When I called bullshit and pointed out
Hitler was also vehemently against tobacco smoking and stated that BY
YOUR LOGIC he must have been a good person, you chose to ignore that
and tried a personal dig at me. Nice try deflecting the argument, but
I won't play that game.

So, again...

Vito Fossella: Did some not-so-nice things but wants to regulate
tobacco and prevent people from smoking so you say he's a good person.
Adolf Hitler: Also did some things that most of us would not condone,
but regulated tobacco use and tried to prevent people from smoking so
BY YOUR LOGIC he was a good person.

Oh, and by the way....you might not have heard about it, but the
Allies defeated the Nazis. US, British and Russian soldiers were
notoriously heavy smokers. US military personnel were often given FREE
cigarettes, yet still they managed not to drop their rifles when faced
with the might of the German army.

Ray <chigarayREMOVE@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:02 GMT, Robert Broughton
><rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>
>>Ray wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
>>> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>>>>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>>>>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>>>>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>>>>
>>>>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
>>> implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
>>> soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
>>> widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.
>>
>>
>>Hitler wanted to win a war. He knew that if he tried to invade Poland with
>>an army consisting entirely of creatures like yourself, they would have
>>dropped their rifles and ran away, back to their parents' basement.
>
>
>
>You stated that Congressman Fossella must be a good person because of
>all his efforts to regulate tobacco products, regardless of any
>misdeeds he may have committed. When I called bullshit and pointed out
>Hitler was also vehemently against tobacco smoking and stated that BY
>YOUR LOGIC he must have been a good person, you chose to ignore that
>and tried a personal dig at me. Nice try deflecting the argument, but
>I won't play that game.
>
>So, again...
>
>Vito Fossella: Did some not-so-nice things but wants to regulate
>tobacco and prevent people from smoking so you say he's a good person.
>Adolf Hitler: Also did some things that most of us would not condone,
>but regulated tobacco use and tried to prevent people from smoking so
>BY YOUR LOGIC he was a good person.
>
>Oh, and by the way....you might not have heard about it, but the
>Allies defeated the Nazis. US, British and Russian soldiers were
>notoriously heavy smokers. US military personnel were often given FREE
>cigarettes, yet still they managed not to drop their rifles when faced
>with the might of the German army.


Well said, Ray.

On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:27:00 -0500, Ray <chigarayREMOVE@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>Nice try deflecting the argument, but
>I won't play that game.

Best not to play.
CigarBaron

"Marc Schneiderman" <garbaron@telerama.com> wrote in message
news:2k6g249l7kvdl8sg14jagq792rsee7sr42@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:27:00 -0500, Ray <chigarayREMOVE@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Nice try deflecting the argument, but
>>I won't play that game.
>
> Best not to play.


It's okay as long as you use live ammo.

Ray wrote:

> On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:02 GMT, Robert Broughton
> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>
>>Ray wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
>>> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>>>>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>>>>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>>>>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>>>>
>>>>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
>>> implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
>>> soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
>>> widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.
>>
>>
>>Hitler wanted to win a war. He knew that if he tried to invade Poland with
>>an army consisting entirely of creatures like yourself, they would have
>>dropped their rifles and ran away, back to their parents' basement.
>
>
>
> You stated that Congressman Fossella must be a good person because of
> all his efforts to regulate tobacco products, regardless of any
> misdeeds he may have committed. When I called bullshit and pointed out
> Hitler was also vehemently against tobacco smoking and stated that BY
> YOUR LOGIC he must have been a good person, you chose to ignore that

No, I didn't ignore it at all.


> and tried a personal dig at me.

You and quite a few other people. And the dig you refer to hit the nail on
the head.


> Nice try deflecting the argument, but
> I won't play that game.

Oh, yes, you will.

> Oh, and by the way....you might not have heard about it, but the
Allies defeated the Nazis.

And, by the way, the Allies weren't cowards like you.


--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:49:52 GMT, Robert Broughton
<rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:

>Ray wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:02 GMT, Robert Broughton
>> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:26 GMT, Robert Broughton
>>>> <rbronews2@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Congressman Vito Fossella who called on House leaders to pass landmark
>>>>>> legislation that would, for the first time, authorize the federal
>>>>>> government to regulate tobacco products to prevent young people from
>>>>>> smoking and help current smokers quit,
>>>>>
>>>>>He must be a pretty good person, then.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course by that logic Adolf Hitler was a good person as he
>>>> implemented strict tobacco regulation in Germany. Rationing for
>>>> soldiers of the Reich, non-smoking policies in public buildings,
>>>> widespread anti-tobacco propaganda programs, etc etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hitler wanted to win a war. He knew that if he tried to invade Poland with
>>>an army consisting entirely of creatures like yourself, they would have
>>>dropped their rifles and ran away, back to their parents' basement.
>>
>>
>>
>> You stated that Congressman Fossella must be a good person because of
>> all his efforts to regulate tobacco products, regardless of any
>> misdeeds he may have committed. When I called bullshit and pointed out
>> Hitler was also vehemently against tobacco smoking and stated that BY
>> YOUR LOGIC he must have been a good person, you chose to ignore that
>
>No, I didn't ignore it at all.


You may not have ignored it, but have certainly chosen not to respond
to it. Twice.
>
>
>> and tried a personal dig at me.
>
>You and quite a few other people. And the dig you refer to hit the nail on
>the head.
>
>
>> Nice try deflecting the argument, but
>> I won't play that game.
>
>Oh, yes, you will.
>
>> Oh, and by the way....you might not have heard about it, but the
>Allies defeated the Nazis.
>
>And, by the way, the Allies weren't cowards like you.


Your argument was that smokers are cowards. The Allies smoked heavily,
so your argument fails.

I have shown that you think Adolf Hitler should be considered a good
person because of his anti-tobacco stance and you have yet again
avoided the issue.

If you won't discuss the subject like an adult, I'm done with you.

Ray wrote:

>>
>>No, I didn't ignore it at all.
>
>
> You may not have ignored it,

That's correct, asswipe.

>>
>>> Nice try deflecting the argument, but
>>> I won't play that game.
>>
>>Oh, yes, you will.
>>
>>> Oh, and by the way....you might not have heard about it, but the
>>Allies defeated the Nazis.
>>
>>And, by the way, the Allies weren't cowards like you.
>
>
> Your argument was that smokers are cowards.


You have told a lie, asswipe. I wrote "cowards like you" and "creatures like
yourself", not "smokers".

>
> I have shown that you think Adolf Hitler should be considered a good
> person because of his anti-tobacco stance

No, you have shown that you are a coward by introducing Hitler to this
discussion.

And "CigarMike" showed that he was a coward by referring to someone as a
criminal, then presenting no evidence whatsoever of criminal activity.

>
> If you won't discuss the subject like an adult, I'm done with you.

And another example of cowardice.

--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

On May 12, 8:49 pm, Robert Broughton <rbrone...@broug8hton.ca> wrote:
> Ray wrote:
>
> >>No, I didn't ignore it at all.
>
> > You may not have ignored it,
>
> That's correct, asswipe.
>
>
>
> >>> Nice try deflecting the argument, but
> >>> I won't play that game.
>
> >>Oh, yes, you will.
>
> >>> Oh, and by the way....you might not have heard about it, but the
> >>Allies defeated the Nazis.
>
> >>And, by the way, the Allies weren't cowards like you.
>
> > Your argument was that smokers are cowards.
>
> You have told a lie, asswipe. I wrote "cowards like you" and "creatures li=
ke
> yourself", not "smokers".
>
>
>
> > I have shown that you think Adolf Hitler should be considered a good
> > person because of his anti-tobacco stance
>
> No, you have shown that you are a coward by introducing Hitler to this
> discussion.
>
> And "CigarMike" showed that he was a coward by referring to someone as a
> criminal, then presenting no evidence whatsoever of criminal activity.
>
>
>
> > If you won't discuss the subject like an adult, I'm done with you.
>
> And another example of cowardice.
>
> --
> Bob Broughtonhttp://broughton.ca/
> Vancouver, BC, Canada
> "There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
> of the trolling usenet.
> - Robert Starkey,http://smokefreerevolution.Whore/, 03/18/2007


The Royal Canadian Mounted Asswiper
Leaves us yet another example of his superiority over the
smokers forum...

No fear has he that these savings will slap him in the face soon.
So webmaster skilled Broughton...You gonna be able to clear out
and confuse the links on yahoo like you tried to on google?

A control freak with no control.... of himself or others.
Real successfull campaigne Bobbi.

Yes the Truth is the most powerful weapon in the land.
The blade will cut deep, simply using the pen...
and the monster will leave you torn to the bone.

With absolutely no recourse what so ever.
===> Enjoy my friend. <====