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Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
of the lost plain.
I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
jerrygarison
Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
of the lost plain.
I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
jerrygarison
Re: bikers at myrtle beach
On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
> of the lost plain.
> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>
> jerrygarison
I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
Buck
On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
> of the lost plain.
> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>
> jerrygarison
I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
Buck
Re: bikers at myrtle beach
buck12ga wrote:
> On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
>> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
>> of the lost plain.
>> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
>> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>>
>> jerrygarison
>
> I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
> for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
> revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
> know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
> happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
> recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
>
> Buck
I don't live in MB anymore, but I do know that this has been an ongoing
battle there for a long time. First some background:
1) There are two big bike rallies in MB, the HD rally and the Atlantic
Beach Black Bike Week. The city of MB has gotten in trouble for racism
during the black bike week because the city (not to mention businesses)
treat the riders then differently (this is not opinion, but legal fact).
2) Because of various legal actions, MB is enjoined to treat both
rallies the same with regards to how much policing, infractions ignored,
etc.
3) Both rallies are not as financially beneficial to the area as they
would like to be seen as. Most vendors at both are not local businesses,
though they do pack the hotels mostly full, like any other busy weekend.
The main difference is that, for instance Labor Day crowds go sit on the
beach, Bike week crowds sit on the street.
4) Both rallies are a traffic nightmare for locals. MB basically has
only two main roads, both running North/South, and both become
gridlocked for the week of the rally (whichever one it is). While there
is a bypass, getting to almost any business or office in town requires
using one or both of those two roads.
Now, bearing all of that in mind, it is time for some unkind
observations on the situation:
a) both sets of bikers are drunken damned idiots making a public
nuisance of themselves, clogging the streets and riding drunk all over
the place.
b) MB is full of racist whack-jobs who don't want the black bikers
around because while being a white damned drunken idiot is called
"vacation", being a black damned drunken idiot is called a "riot".
c) A large portion of MB doesn't want the area to host such events, and
(in their minds) become Daytona Beach.
d) An equally large portion of MB wants any money they can get their
hands on and wouldn't care if it were a baby-rapers convention if it
didn't impact their liability insurance.
e) The town is run by the aforementioned racist whack-jobs, and they
have now twigged to the fact that if they get rid of the HD rally, they
can get rid of the black rally without being called racists.
f) None of this will solve anything, as if the bikers wish to show up,
they will. The only thing the city can do is deny vendor permits and
police more heavily, but showing up somewhere on your bike is not
(technically) a crime, so there is not much to be done.
--
Jon
buck12ga wrote:
> On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
>> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
>> of the lost plain.
>> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
>> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>>
>> jerrygarison
>
> I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
> for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
> revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
> know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
> happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
> recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
>
> Buck
I don't live in MB anymore, but I do know that this has been an ongoing
battle there for a long time. First some background:
1) There are two big bike rallies in MB, the HD rally and the Atlantic
Beach Black Bike Week. The city of MB has gotten in trouble for racism
during the black bike week because the city (not to mention businesses)
treat the riders then differently (this is not opinion, but legal fact).
2) Because of various legal actions, MB is enjoined to treat both
rallies the same with regards to how much policing, infractions ignored,
etc.
3) Both rallies are not as financially beneficial to the area as they
would like to be seen as. Most vendors at both are not local businesses,
though they do pack the hotels mostly full, like any other busy weekend.
The main difference is that, for instance Labor Day crowds go sit on the
beach, Bike week crowds sit on the street.
4) Both rallies are a traffic nightmare for locals. MB basically has
only two main roads, both running North/South, and both become
gridlocked for the week of the rally (whichever one it is). While there
is a bypass, getting to almost any business or office in town requires
using one or both of those two roads.
Now, bearing all of that in mind, it is time for some unkind
observations on the situation:
a) both sets of bikers are drunken damned idiots making a public
nuisance of themselves, clogging the streets and riding drunk all over
the place.
b) MB is full of racist whack-jobs who don't want the black bikers
around because while being a white damned drunken idiot is called
"vacation", being a black damned drunken idiot is called a "riot".
c) A large portion of MB doesn't want the area to host such events, and
(in their minds) become Daytona Beach.
d) An equally large portion of MB wants any money they can get their
hands on and wouldn't care if it were a baby-rapers convention if it
didn't impact their liability insurance.
e) The town is run by the aforementioned racist whack-jobs, and they
have now twigged to the fact that if they get rid of the HD rally, they
can get rid of the black rally without being called racists.
f) None of this will solve anything, as if the bikers wish to show up,
they will. The only thing the city can do is deny vendor permits and
police more heavily, but showing up somewhere on your bike is not
(technically) a crime, so there is not much to be done.
--
Jon
Re: bikers at myrtle beach
On Jul 6, 10:30 am, Jon Tillman <j...@jontillman,com > wrote:
> buck12ga wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
> >> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
> >> of the lost plain.
> >> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
> >> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>
> >> jerrygarison
>
> > I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
> > for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
> > revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
> > know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
> > happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
> > recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
>
> > Buck
>
> I don't live in MB anymore, but I do know that this has been an ongoing
> battle there for a long time. First some background:
>
> 1) There are two big bike rallies in MB, the HD rally and the Atlantic
> Beach Black Bike Week. The city of MB has gotten in trouble for racism
> during the black bike week because the city (not to mention businesses)
> treat the riders then differently (this is not opinion, but legal fact).
>
> 2) Because of various legal actions, MB is enjoined to treat both
> rallies the same with regards to how much policing, infractions ignored,
> etc.
>
> 3) Both rallies are not as financially beneficial to the area as they
> would like to be seen as. Most vendors at both are not local businesses,
> though they do pack the hotels mostly full, like any other busy weekend.
> The main difference is that, for instance Labor Day crowds go sit on the
> beach, Bike week crowds sit on the street.
>
> 4) Both rallies are a traffic nightmare for locals. MB basically has
> only two main roads, both running North/South, and both become
> gridlocked for the week of the rally (whichever one it is). While there
> is a bypass, getting to almost any business or office in town requires
> using one or both of those two roads.
>
> Now, bearing all of that in mind, it is time for some unkind
> observations on the situation:
>
> a) both sets of bikers are drunken damned idiots making a public
> nuisance of themselves, clogging the streets and riding drunk all over
> the place.
>
> b) MB is full of racist whack-jobs who don't want the black bikers
> around because while being a white damned drunken idiot is called
> "vacation", being a black damned drunken idiot is called a "riot".
>
> c) A large portion of MB doesn't want the area to host such events, and
> (in their minds) become Daytona Beach.
>
> d) An equally large portion of MB wants any money they can get their
> hands on and wouldn't care if it were a baby-rapers convention if it
> didn't impact their liability insurance.
>
> e) The town is run by the aforementioned racist whack-jobs, and they
> have now twigged to the fact that if they get rid of the HD rally, they
> can get rid of the black rally without being called racists.
>
> f) None of this will solve anything, as if the bikers wish to show up,
> they will. The only thing the city can do is deny vendor permits and
> police more heavily, but showing up somewhere on your bike is not
> (technically) a crime, so there is not much to be done.
>
> --
> Jon
I would have to agree with my old riding partner's assessment in many
places. Where I will agree, and even add a bit to will be a bit later
in this.
Areas of disagreement center around economic impact. Yes, the vendors
are out of state, and if you buy a t-shirt, the profits are going to
(fill in the blank, move around like a Carnie to bike events) out of
state vendor. Still, those vendors pay (mightily) for those spots,
both to the city, and the owners of the lots that they occupy. The HD
rally comes in well prior to the "official" start of the season, so
they are displacing folks who wouldn't even be here yet, and no one
eats (or tips) like a Biker on vacation with other Bikers. The city
recognizes that this proposed action would have some fairly dire
consequences financially. Proof of the recognition comes in the form
that, simultaneously with the removal of issuing permits for bike
vending, there will be a substantial increase to the taxes imposed by
the city on locals "to make up for the predicted shortfall".
The city goes to great pains to say that their reasons for wanting the
Atlantic *out* are not racist...but they are. The Mayor went on TV and
admitted that the "core" of this is getting rid of the Atlantic, and
there was no way to do it, save for getting rid of all Bike weeks.
When asked what MB could do, given that Bike week extends well beyond
the city itself, the Mayor replied that strategic, vehicle-by-vehicle
license checks on the in-bound 501 could back up traffic to I-95,
making sure that no one came the next year.
and so it goes,
Bear
On Jul 6, 10:30 am, Jon Tillman <j...@jontillman,com > wrote:
> buck12ga wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
> >> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
> >> of the lost plain.
> >> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
> >> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>
> >> jerrygarison
>
> > I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
> > for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
> > revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
> > know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
> > happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
> > recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
>
> > Buck
>
> I don't live in MB anymore, but I do know that this has been an ongoing
> battle there for a long time. First some background:
>
> 1) There are two big bike rallies in MB, the HD rally and the Atlantic
> Beach Black Bike Week. The city of MB has gotten in trouble for racism
> during the black bike week because the city (not to mention businesses)
> treat the riders then differently (this is not opinion, but legal fact).
>
> 2) Because of various legal actions, MB is enjoined to treat both
> rallies the same with regards to how much policing, infractions ignored,
> etc.
>
> 3) Both rallies are not as financially beneficial to the area as they
> would like to be seen as. Most vendors at both are not local businesses,
> though they do pack the hotels mostly full, like any other busy weekend.
> The main difference is that, for instance Labor Day crowds go sit on the
> beach, Bike week crowds sit on the street.
>
> 4) Both rallies are a traffic nightmare for locals. MB basically has
> only two main roads, both running North/South, and both become
> gridlocked for the week of the rally (whichever one it is). While there
> is a bypass, getting to almost any business or office in town requires
> using one or both of those two roads.
>
> Now, bearing all of that in mind, it is time for some unkind
> observations on the situation:
>
> a) both sets of bikers are drunken damned idiots making a public
> nuisance of themselves, clogging the streets and riding drunk all over
> the place.
>
> b) MB is full of racist whack-jobs who don't want the black bikers
> around because while being a white damned drunken idiot is called
> "vacation", being a black damned drunken idiot is called a "riot".
>
> c) A large portion of MB doesn't want the area to host such events, and
> (in their minds) become Daytona Beach.
>
> d) An equally large portion of MB wants any money they can get their
> hands on and wouldn't care if it were a baby-rapers convention if it
> didn't impact their liability insurance.
>
> e) The town is run by the aforementioned racist whack-jobs, and they
> have now twigged to the fact that if they get rid of the HD rally, they
> can get rid of the black rally without being called racists.
>
> f) None of this will solve anything, as if the bikers wish to show up,
> they will. The only thing the city can do is deny vendor permits and
> police more heavily, but showing up somewhere on your bike is not
> (technically) a crime, so there is not much to be done.
>
> --
> Jon
I would have to agree with my old riding partner's assessment in many
places. Where I will agree, and even add a bit to will be a bit later
in this.
Areas of disagreement center around economic impact. Yes, the vendors
are out of state, and if you buy a t-shirt, the profits are going to
(fill in the blank, move around like a Carnie to bike events) out of
state vendor. Still, those vendors pay (mightily) for those spots,
both to the city, and the owners of the lots that they occupy. The HD
rally comes in well prior to the "official" start of the season, so
they are displacing folks who wouldn't even be here yet, and no one
eats (or tips) like a Biker on vacation with other Bikers. The city
recognizes that this proposed action would have some fairly dire
consequences financially. Proof of the recognition comes in the form
that, simultaneously with the removal of issuing permits for bike
vending, there will be a substantial increase to the taxes imposed by
the city on locals "to make up for the predicted shortfall".
The city goes to great pains to say that their reasons for wanting the
Atlantic *out* are not racist...but they are. The Mayor went on TV and
admitted that the "core" of this is getting rid of the Atlantic, and
there was no way to do it, save for getting rid of all Bike weeks.
When asked what MB could do, given that Bike week extends well beyond
the city itself, the Mayor replied that strategic, vehicle-by-vehicle
license checks on the in-bound 501 could back up traffic to I-95,
making sure that no one came the next year.
and so it goes,
Bear
Re: bikers at myrtle beach
On Jul 6, 11:46 am, "Da' Bear" <beargra...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:30 am, Jon Tillman <j...@jontillman,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > buck12ga wrote:
> > > On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
> > >> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
> > >> of the lost plain.
> > >> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
> > >> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>
> > >> jerrygarison
>
> > > I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
> > > for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
> > > revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
> > > know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
> > > happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
> > > recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
>
> > > Buck
>
> > I don't live in MB anymore, but I do know that this has been an ongoing
> > battle there for a long time. First some background:
>
> > 1) There are two big bike rallies in MB, the HD rally and the Atlantic
> > Beach Black Bike Week. The city of MB has gotten in trouble for racism
> > during the black bike week because the city (not to mention businesses)
> > treat the riders then differently (this is not opinion, but legal fact).
>
> > 2) Because of various legal actions, MB is enjoined to treat both
> > rallies the same with regards to how much policing, infractions ignored,
> > etc.
>
> > 3) Both rallies are not as financially beneficial to the area as they
> > would like to be seen as. Most vendors at both are not local businesses,
> > though they do pack the hotels mostly full, like any other busy weekend.
> > The main difference is that, for instance Labor Day crowds go sit on the
> > beach, Bike week crowds sit on the street.
>
> > 4) Both rallies are a traffic nightmare for locals. MB basically has
> > only two main roads, both running North/South, and both become
> > gridlocked for the week of the rally (whichever one it is). While there
> > is a bypass, getting to almost any business or office in town requires
> > using one or both of those two roads.
>
> > Now, bearing all of that in mind, it is time for some unkind
> > observations on the situation:
>
> > a) both sets of bikers are drunken damned idiots making a public
> > nuisance of themselves, clogging the streets and riding drunk all over
> > the place.
>
> > b) MB is full of racist whack-jobs who don't want the black bikers
> > around because while being a white damned drunken idiot is called
> > "vacation", being a black damned drunken idiot is called a "riot".
>
> > c) A large portion of MB doesn't want the area to host such events, and
> > (in their minds) become Daytona Beach.
>
> > d) An equally large portion of MB wants any money they can get their
> > hands on and wouldn't care if it were a baby-rapers convention if it
> > didn't impact their liability insurance.
>
> > e) The town is run by the aforementioned racist whack-jobs, and they
> > have now twigged to the fact that if they get rid of the HD rally, they
> > can get rid of the black rally without being called racists.
>
> > f) None of this will solve anything, as if the bikers wish to show up,
> > they will. The only thing the city can do is deny vendor permits and
> > police more heavily, but showing up somewhere on your bike is not
> > (technically) a crime, so there is not much to be done.
>
> > --
> > Jon
>
> I would have to agree with my old riding partner's assessment in many
> places. Where I will agree, and even add a bit to will be a bit later
> in this.
>
> Areas of disagreement center around economic impact. Yes, the vendors
> are out of state, and if you buy a t-shirt, the profits are going to
> (fill in the blank, move around like a Carnie to bike events) out of
> state vendor. Still, those vendors pay (mightily) for those spots,
> both to the city, and the owners of the lots that they occupy. The HD
> rally comes in well prior to the "official" start of the season, so
> they are displacing folks who wouldn't even be here yet, and no one
> eats (or tips) like a Biker on vacation with other Bikers. The city
> recognizes that this proposed action would have some fairly dire
> consequences financially. Proof of the recognition comes in the form
> that, simultaneously with the removal of issuing permits for bike
> vending, there will be a substantial increase to the taxes imposed by
> the city on locals "to make up for the predicted shortfall".
>
> The city goes to great pains to say that their reasons for wanting the
> Atlantic *out* are not racist...but they are. The Mayor went on TV and
> admitted that the "core" of this is getting rid of the Atlantic, and
> there was no way to do it, save for getting rid of all Bike weeks.
> When asked what MB could do, given that Bike week extends well beyond
> the city itself, the Mayor replied that strategic, vehicle-by-vehicle
> license checks on the in-bound 501 could back up traffic to I-95,
> making sure that no one came the next year.
>
> and so it goes,
>
> Bear
Ok Bear and Jon,
what a world. :(
jerrygarrison
On Jul 6, 11:46 am, "Da' Bear" <beargra...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:30 am, Jon Tillman <j...@jontillman,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > buck12ga wrote:
> > > On Jul 5, 5:15 pm, garriso...@gmail,com wrote:
> > >> Hello Da' Bear in Myrtle Beach and all other Pipers who may be riders
> > >> of the lost plain.
> > >> I read that your town is trying to remove the Bikers from two Biker
> > >> Hoe Downs in MB. Have you been there long enough to an opinion?
>
> > >> jerrygarison
>
> > > I've heard about this Jerry. A few bad apples seem to have spoiled it
> > > for the great numbers of guys just out for a good time. The constant
> > > revving of engines and burn outs have gotten on the citizens nerves. I
> > > know for a fact that feelings are mixed as some business people are
> > > happy to welcome the bikers every year. Tough call. Seems to me a more
> > > recptive rural venue might be the answer. Like where I live, lol.
>
> > > Buck
>
> > I don't live in MB anymore, but I do know that this has been an ongoing
> > battle there for a long time. First some background:
>
> > 1) There are two big bike rallies in MB, the HD rally and the Atlantic
> > Beach Black Bike Week. The city of MB has gotten in trouble for racism
> > during the black bike week because the city (not to mention businesses)
> > treat the riders then differently (this is not opinion, but legal fact).
>
> > 2) Because of various legal actions, MB is enjoined to treat both
> > rallies the same with regards to how much policing, infractions ignored,
> > etc.
>
> > 3) Both rallies are not as financially beneficial to the area as they
> > would like to be seen as. Most vendors at both are not local businesses,
> > though they do pack the hotels mostly full, like any other busy weekend.
> > The main difference is that, for instance Labor Day crowds go sit on the
> > beach, Bike week crowds sit on the street.
>
> > 4) Both rallies are a traffic nightmare for locals. MB basically has
> > only two main roads, both running North/South, and both become
> > gridlocked for the week of the rally (whichever one it is). While there
> > is a bypass, getting to almost any business or office in town requires
> > using one or both of those two roads.
>
> > Now, bearing all of that in mind, it is time for some unkind
> > observations on the situation:
>
> > a) both sets of bikers are drunken damned idiots making a public
> > nuisance of themselves, clogging the streets and riding drunk all over
> > the place.
>
> > b) MB is full of racist whack-jobs who don't want the black bikers
> > around because while being a white damned drunken idiot is called
> > "vacation", being a black damned drunken idiot is called a "riot".
>
> > c) A large portion of MB doesn't want the area to host such events, and
> > (in their minds) become Daytona Beach.
>
> > d) An equally large portion of MB wants any money they can get their
> > hands on and wouldn't care if it were a baby-rapers convention if it
> > didn't impact their liability insurance.
>
> > e) The town is run by the aforementioned racist whack-jobs, and they
> > have now twigged to the fact that if they get rid of the HD rally, they
> > can get rid of the black rally without being called racists.
>
> > f) None of this will solve anything, as if the bikers wish to show up,
> > they will. The only thing the city can do is deny vendor permits and
> > police more heavily, but showing up somewhere on your bike is not
> > (technically) a crime, so there is not much to be done.
>
> > --
> > Jon
>
> I would have to agree with my old riding partner's assessment in many
> places. Where I will agree, and even add a bit to will be a bit later
> in this.
>
> Areas of disagreement center around economic impact. Yes, the vendors
> are out of state, and if you buy a t-shirt, the profits are going to
> (fill in the blank, move around like a Carnie to bike events) out of
> state vendor. Still, those vendors pay (mightily) for those spots,
> both to the city, and the owners of the lots that they occupy. The HD
> rally comes in well prior to the "official" start of the season, so
> they are displacing folks who wouldn't even be here yet, and no one
> eats (or tips) like a Biker on vacation with other Bikers. The city
> recognizes that this proposed action would have some fairly dire
> consequences financially. Proof of the recognition comes in the form
> that, simultaneously with the removal of issuing permits for bike
> vending, there will be a substantial increase to the taxes imposed by
> the city on locals "to make up for the predicted shortfall".
>
> The city goes to great pains to say that their reasons for wanting the
> Atlantic *out* are not racist...but they are. The Mayor went on TV and
> admitted that the "core" of this is getting rid of the Atlantic, and
> there was no way to do it, save for getting rid of all Bike weeks.
> When asked what MB could do, given that Bike week extends well beyond
> the city itself, the Mayor replied that strategic, vehicle-by-vehicle
> license checks on the in-bound 501 could back up traffic to I-95,
> making sure that no one came the next year.
>
> and so it goes,
>
> Bear
Ok Bear and Jon,
what a world. :(
jerrygarrison
