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Really Crazy Train...
Really Crazy Train...
Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
play it in G.
Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do
it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do
the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
Crazy...I'll stick to A...
--
- Rufus
Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
play it in G.
Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do
it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do
the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
Crazy...I'll stick to A...
--
- Rufus
Re: Really Crazy Train...
"Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi_s22...
> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly in
> the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that they do
> "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just play it in
> G.
>
> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do it.
> I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do the body
> of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>
> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down to D?
Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key. Open
notes being fretted and stuff like that...
Jeff
"Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi_s22...
> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly in
> the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that they do
> "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just play it in
> G.
>
> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do it.
> I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do the body
> of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>
> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down to D?
Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key. Open
notes being fretted and stuff like that...
Jeff
Re: Really Crazy Train...
prs geek wrote:
> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
> news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi s22...
>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly in
>> the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that they do
>> "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just play it in
>> G.
>>
>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do it.
>> I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do the body
>> of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>
>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>
> Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down to D?
>
> Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key. Open
> notes being fretted and stuff like that...
>
> Jeff
>
>
Yeah..,it 's their version, but unless you watch them doing it you
wouldn't notice that they were playing in G...unless you were a musician...
...I can't play the solo even in A, so I'm not even going to try
modulating it.
--
- Rufus
prs geek wrote:
> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
> news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi s22...
>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly in
>> the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that they do
>> "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just play it in
>> G.
>>
>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do it.
>> I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do the body
>> of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>
>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>
> Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down to D?
>
> Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key. Open
> notes being fretted and stuff like that...
>
> Jeff
>
>
Yeah..,it 's their version, but unless you watch them doing it you
wouldn't notice that they were playing in G...unless you were a musician...
...I can't play the solo even in A, so I'm not even going to try
modulating it.
--
- Rufus
Re: Really Crazy Train...
Rufus wrote:
> prs geek wrote:
>> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
>> news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi_s22...
>>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays
>>> mostly in the key of G because that's where their vocal range
>>> is...and that they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no
>>> retuning...they just play it in G.
>>>
>>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to
>>> do it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how
>>> to do the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>>
>>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>>
>> Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down
>> to D? Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key.
>> Open notes being fretted and stuff like that...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
> Yeah..,it 's their version, but unless you watch them doing it you
> wouldn't notice that they were playing in G...unless you were a
> musician...
> ...I can't play the solo even in A, so I'm not even going to try
> modulating it.
Maybe it would sound cool in G actually. I love G...
Jeff
Rufus wrote:
> prs geek wrote:
>> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
>> news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi_s22...
>>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays
>>> mostly in the key of G because that's where their vocal range
>>> is...and that they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no
>>> retuning...they just play it in G.
>>>
>>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to
>>> do it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how
>>> to do the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>>
>>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>>
>> Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down
>> to D? Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key.
>> Open notes being fretted and stuff like that...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
> Yeah..,it 's their version, but unless you watch them doing it you
> wouldn't notice that they were playing in G...unless you were a
> musician...
> ...I can't play the solo even in A, so I'm not even going to try
> modulating it.
Maybe it would sound cool in G actually. I love G...
Jeff
Re: Really Crazy Train...
prs geek wrote:
> Rufus wrote:
>> prs geek wrote:
>>> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
>>> news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi s22...
>>>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays
>>>> mostly in the key of G because that's where their vocal range
>>>> is...and that they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no
>>>> retuning...they just play it in G.
>>>>
>>>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to
>>>> do it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how
>>>> to do the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>>>
>>>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>>> Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down
>>> to D? Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key.
>>> Open notes being fretted and stuff like that...
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah..,it 's their version, but unless you watch them doing it you
>> wouldn't notice that they were playing in G...unless you were a
>> musician...
>> ...I can't play the solo even in A, so I'm not even going to try
>> modulating it.
>
> Maybe it would sound cool in G actually. I love G...
>
> Jeff
>
>
It actually doesn't sound much different the way they play it - the open
chords they use make it a bit brighter, which makes it feel like the
step down isn't going on. And seeing as they do most of what they sing
in G, C, A, or D, it fits with their vocals and you don't really notice
it's been modulated because it's still in their range.
--
- Rufus
prs geek wrote:
> Rufus wrote:
>> prs geek wrote:
>>> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
>>> news:m81Tj.94079$TT4.72398@attbi s22...
>>>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays
>>>> mostly in the key of G because that's where their vocal range
>>>> is...and that they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no
>>>> retuning...they just play it in G.
>>>>
>>>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to
>>>> do it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how
>>>> to do the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>>>
>>>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>>> Wonder if they ever about just tuning down a half step or even down
>>> to D? Some riffs just don't sound right if they're not in the right key.
>>> Open notes being fretted and stuff like that...
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah..,it 's their version, but unless you watch them doing it you
>> wouldn't notice that they were playing in G...unless you were a
>> musician...
>> ...I can't play the solo even in A, so I'm not even going to try
>> modulating it.
>
> Maybe it would sound cool in G actually. I love G...
>
> Jeff
>
>
It actually doesn't sound much different the way they play it - the open
chords they use make it a bit brighter, which makes it feel like the
step down isn't going on. And seeing as they do most of what they sing
in G, C, A, or D, it fits with their vocals and you don't really notice
it's been modulated because it's still in their range.
--
- Rufus
Re: Really Crazy Train...
On May 3, 12:19 pm, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
> play it in G.
>
> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do
> it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do
> the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>
> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>
> --
> - Rufus
The best way would be to tune the guitars down 1 full step, then when
you can just play it as normal and it would be in G and not A. You
need to do this to preserve the voicing. if you do this and you're
playing with low-action at normal tuning you're going to get fret buzz
1 step down, so you'll need to set your guitar up for it.
Are you trying to sing it in G? As recorded and played live by Ozzy in
'A', he jumps up there... I think on the chorus he hits an A4 (A above
middle C) on "...going off the rails" and he stays there a while with
no strain at all. What can you say Ozzy has an pretty amazing rock
voice.
I hate having to change the key of a song, sometimes it works, but a
lot of times the song looses something. When you have a rock band,
pretty much everyone in that band has taken some basic lessons on
their instrument except for the vocalist, who loves to claim great
natural talent. If these guys would just take a few lessons from a guy
like Thomas Appell Jamie Vendera they could add at least 3-4 notes on
the high end of their range which would give them the range needed to
sing Crazy Train and other songs that go up there, as written. I
mention those guys because their vocal instruction methods are geared
for hard rock/metal vocalist.
I had about a one and a half octave range and I spent about six months
with a Speech Level Singing. level 4 instructor and was able to add
about an octave to my range (three notes on the high end and three
notes on the low end) in that period, I also worked out some other
problems. Vocal Coach pretty much changed my perspective on singers,
I believe a good coach can take a non-singer and if the want-to-be
singer can bring unique style they can turn them into a singer, give
them the ability to hit pitch. Putting guys like Ozzy, James LeBrie,
Steve Perry, etc... aside most rock and punk songs don't even require
over an octave to sing. They've done university studies shows people
who are baddly off pitch able to correct it by studdying with a coach
and practicing vocal scales.
I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I've known a lot of guitarist
who want to sing but think they suck at it (many do :) they just don't
realize the voice can be strengthened and practiced like any other
instrument.
http :// www .thevoiceconnection,com /
http :// www .vocalinstruction,com /highc.html
http :// www .rogerlove,com /
On May 3, 12:19 pm, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
> play it in G.
>
> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do
> it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do
> the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>
> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>
> --
> - Rufus
The best way would be to tune the guitars down 1 full step, then when
you can just play it as normal and it would be in G and not A. You
need to do this to preserve the voicing. if you do this and you're
playing with low-action at normal tuning you're going to get fret buzz
1 step down, so you'll need to set your guitar up for it.
Are you trying to sing it in G? As recorded and played live by Ozzy in
'A', he jumps up there... I think on the chorus he hits an A4 (A above
middle C) on "...going off the rails" and he stays there a while with
no strain at all. What can you say Ozzy has an pretty amazing rock
voice.
I hate having to change the key of a song, sometimes it works, but a
lot of times the song looses something. When you have a rock band,
pretty much everyone in that band has taken some basic lessons on
their instrument except for the vocalist, who loves to claim great
natural talent. If these guys would just take a few lessons from a guy
like Thomas Appell Jamie Vendera they could add at least 3-4 notes on
the high end of their range which would give them the range needed to
sing Crazy Train and other songs that go up there, as written. I
mention those guys because their vocal instruction methods are geared
for hard rock/metal vocalist.
I had about a one and a half octave range and I spent about six months
with a Speech Level Singing. level 4 instructor and was able to add
about an octave to my range (three notes on the high end and three
notes on the low end) in that period, I also worked out some other
problems. Vocal Coach pretty much changed my perspective on singers,
I believe a good coach can take a non-singer and if the want-to-be
singer can bring unique style they can turn them into a singer, give
them the ability to hit pitch. Putting guys like Ozzy, James LeBrie,
Steve Perry, etc... aside most rock and punk songs don't even require
over an octave to sing. They've done university studies shows people
who are baddly off pitch able to correct it by studdying with a coach
and practicing vocal scales.
I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I've known a lot of guitarist
who want to sing but think they suck at it (many do :) they just don't
realize the voice can be strengthened and practiced like any other
instrument.
http :// www .thevoiceconnection,com /
http :// www .vocalinstruction,com /highc.html
http :// www .rogerlove,com /
Re: Really Crazy Train...
The pastor on my church gig plays in the key of F alot. We have a
bluegrass accoustic guitarist(thumpbanger) who has a tough time with
the Bb.I have tried to get him to capo up and let me teach him the
numbers but he is resistant.you can't hear him anyway so it is not
really a problem as he is not in the road band but when we are at home
church, he plays with us. ................Chicks and horns like the
key of Bb also......................Dave
The pastor on my church gig plays in the key of F alot. We have a
bluegrass accoustic guitarist(thumpbanger) who has a tough time with
the Bb.I have tried to get him to capo up and let me teach him the
numbers but he is resistant.you can't hear him anyway so it is not
really a problem as he is not in the road band but when we are at home
church, he plays with us. ................Chicks and horns like the
key of Bb also......................Dave
Re: Really Crazy Train...
chickenpicker2000@hotmail,com wrote:
> The pastor on my church gig plays in the key of F alot. We have a
> bluegrass accoustic guitarist(thumpbanger) who has a tough time with
> the Bb.I have tried to get him to capo up and let me teach him the
> numbers but he is resistant.you can't hear him anyway so it is not
> really a problem as he is not in the road band but when we are at home
> church, he plays with us. ................Chicks and horns like the
> key of Bb also......................Dave
So I'm finding, now that I'm shed of my "party-rockers" and back to
playing old-school blues just for myself.
--
- Rufus
chickenpicker2000@hotmail,com wrote:
> The pastor on my church gig plays in the key of F alot. We have a
> bluegrass accoustic guitarist(thumpbanger) who has a tough time with
> the Bb.I have tried to get him to capo up and let me teach him the
> numbers but he is resistant.you can't hear him anyway so it is not
> really a problem as he is not in the road band but when we are at home
> church, he plays with us. ................Chicks and horns like the
> key of Bb also......................Dave
So I'm finding, now that I'm shed of my "party-rockers" and back to
playing old-school blues just for myself.
--
- Rufus
Re: Really Crazy Train...
MartinGibsonTaylor wrote:
> On May 3, 12:19 pm, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
>> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
>> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
>> play it in G.
>>
>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do
>> it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do
>> the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>
>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>>
>> --
>> - Rufus
>
> The best way would be to tune the guitars down 1 full step, then when
> you can just play it as normal and it would be in G and not A. You
> need to do this to preserve the voicing. if you do this and you're
> playing with low-action at normal tuning you're going to get fret buzz
> 1 step down, so you'll need to set your guitar up for it.
>
> Are you trying to sing it in G? As recorded and played live by Ozzy in
> 'A', he jumps up there... I think on the chorus he hits an A4 (A above
> middle C) on "...going off the rails" and he stays there a while with
> no strain at all. What can you say Ozzy has an pretty amazing rock
> voice.
>
No - I'm not really trying to "do it" for myself at all...I'm just
trying to figure out how a local band I know does it without retuning as
an exercise for my myself. I'm going to see them again tonight, so I'll
get another chance to watch/listen.
> I hate having to change the key of a song, sometimes it works, but a
> lot of times the song looses something. When you have a rock band,
> pretty much everyone in that band has taken some basic lessons on
> their instrument except for the vocalist, who loves to claim great
> natural talent. If these guys would just take a few lessons from a guy
> like Thomas Appell Jamie Vendera they could add at least 3-4 notes on
> the high end of their range which would give them the range needed to
> sing Crazy Train and other songs that go up there, as written. I
> mention those guys because their vocal instruction methods are geared
> for hard rock/metal vocalist.
>
It works for these guys, and I've never seen/heard anyone else do it...
> I had about a one and a half octave range and I spent about six months
> with a Speech Level Singing. level 4 instructor and was able to add
> about an octave to my range (three notes on the high end and three
> notes on the low end) in that period, I also worked out some other
> problems. Vocal Coach pretty much changed my perspective on singers,
> I believe a good coach can take a non-singer and if the want-to-be
> singer can bring unique style they can turn them into a singer, give
> them the ability to hit pitch. Putting guys like Ozzy, James LeBrie,
> Steve Perry, etc... aside most rock and punk songs don't even require
> over an octave to sing. They've done university studies shows people
> who are baddly off pitch able to correct it by studdying with a coach
> and practicing vocal scales.
>
> I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I've known a lot of guitarist
> who want to sing but think they suck at it (many do :) they just don't
> realize the voice can be strengthened and practiced like any other
> instrument.
>
> http :// www .thevoiceconnection,com /
> http :// www .vocalinstruction,com /highc.html
> http :// www .rogerlove,com /
>
>
...I'm one of those. I actually can sing fairly well, but I can't sing
consistently well, and I can barely sing and play anything of reasonable
complexity at the same time - so it's best I just keep my mouth shut.
--
- Rufus
MartinGibsonTaylor wrote:
> On May 3, 12:19 pm, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
>> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
>> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
>> play it in G.
>>
>> Went and saw them again last night and I think I figured out how to do
>> it. I can't do it as well as they do, but I can figure out how to do
>> the body of the rhythm parts using open chords like they do.
>>
>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>>
>> --
>> - Rufus
>
> The best way would be to tune the guitars down 1 full step, then when
> you can just play it as normal and it would be in G and not A. You
> need to do this to preserve the voicing. if you do this and you're
> playing with low-action at normal tuning you're going to get fret buzz
> 1 step down, so you'll need to set your guitar up for it.
>
> Are you trying to sing it in G? As recorded and played live by Ozzy in
> 'A', he jumps up there... I think on the chorus he hits an A4 (A above
> middle C) on "...going off the rails" and he stays there a while with
> no strain at all. What can you say Ozzy has an pretty amazing rock
> voice.
>
No - I'm not really trying to "do it" for myself at all...I'm just
trying to figure out how a local band I know does it without retuning as
an exercise for my myself. I'm going to see them again tonight, so I'll
get another chance to watch/listen.
> I hate having to change the key of a song, sometimes it works, but a
> lot of times the song looses something. When you have a rock band,
> pretty much everyone in that band has taken some basic lessons on
> their instrument except for the vocalist, who loves to claim great
> natural talent. If these guys would just take a few lessons from a guy
> like Thomas Appell Jamie Vendera they could add at least 3-4 notes on
> the high end of their range which would give them the range needed to
> sing Crazy Train and other songs that go up there, as written. I
> mention those guys because their vocal instruction methods are geared
> for hard rock/metal vocalist.
>
It works for these guys, and I've never seen/heard anyone else do it...
> I had about a one and a half octave range and I spent about six months
> with a Speech Level Singing. level 4 instructor and was able to add
> about an octave to my range (three notes on the high end and three
> notes on the low end) in that period, I also worked out some other
> problems. Vocal Coach pretty much changed my perspective on singers,
> I believe a good coach can take a non-singer and if the want-to-be
> singer can bring unique style they can turn them into a singer, give
> them the ability to hit pitch. Putting guys like Ozzy, James LeBrie,
> Steve Perry, etc... aside most rock and punk songs don't even require
> over an octave to sing. They've done university studies shows people
> who are baddly off pitch able to correct it by studdying with a coach
> and practicing vocal scales.
>
> I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I've known a lot of guitarist
> who want to sing but think they suck at it (many do :) they just don't
> realize the voice can be strengthened and practiced like any other
> instrument.
>
> http :// www .thevoiceconnection,com /
> http :// www .vocalinstruction,com /highc.html
> http :// www .rogerlove,com /
>
>
...I'm one of those. I actually can sing fairly well, but I can't sing
consistently well, and I can barely sing and play anything of reasonable
complexity at the same time - so it's best I just keep my mouth shut.
--
- Rufus
Re: Really Crazy Train...
On May 3, 12:23 pm, MartinGibsonTaylor <Jeremy.De...@gmail,com > wrote:
> The best way would be to tune the guitars down 1 full step, then when
> you can just play it as normal and it would be in G and not A.
Bonus: you'd be set up to play some Motley Crue tunes such as "Looks
that Kill" like they we meant to be. :)
On May 3, 12:23 pm, MartinGibsonTaylor <Jeremy.De...@gmail,com > wrote:
> The best way would be to tune the guitars down 1 full step, then when
> you can just play it as normal and it would be in G and not A.
Bonus: you'd be set up to play some Motley Crue tunes such as "Looks
that Kill" like they we meant to be. :)
Re: Really Crazy Train...
On May 3, 10:19 am, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
> play it in G.
Just tried parts of it.
The low E note has to be tranposed up an octave. So the main riff is
best transposed up, basically. Play it rooted on the 7th fret E on the
second string.
The major chord progression G, D/G, C/G, D/G can be played using these
shapes. Use the thumb to grab the bass note of the G and D/G.
G D/G
II |-x-|-|-|-x I |-x-|-|-|-x
T | | | 1 | | | | 1 | |
|-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
| | | 2 | | T | | | 2 |
|-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
| | 3 | | | | | 3 | | |
|-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
C/G
0 |-x-|-o-|-|
| | | | 1 |
|-|-|-|-|-|
| | 2 | | |
|-|-|-|-|-|
3 | | | | |
|-|-|-|-|-|
Use the thumb to mute the A string in the first two fingerings, and
finger 3 to do it in the C/G.
The D/G is similar to a Gmaj6 fingering I've used for almost twenty
years, so switching between that and the C/G is quick and easy.
It's doable, though I don't think the voicing will ever be dead on.
When everyone is cranking louder than everyone else, will it
matter? :)
> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
`Cause millions of people ... love it that way!
On May 3, 10:19 am, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
> play it in G.
Just tried parts of it.
The low E note has to be tranposed up an octave. So the main riff is
best transposed up, basically. Play it rooted on the 7th fret E on the
second string.
The major chord progression G, D/G, C/G, D/G can be played using these
shapes. Use the thumb to grab the bass note of the G and D/G.
G D/G
II |-x-|-|-|-x I |-x-|-|-|-x
T | | | 1 | | | | 1 | |
|-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
| | | 2 | | T | | | 2 |
|-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
| | 3 | | | | | 3 | | |
|-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
C/G
0 |-x-|-o-|-|
| | | | 1 |
|-|-|-|-|-|
| | 2 | | |
|-|-|-|-|-|
3 | | | | |
|-|-|-|-|-|
Use the thumb to mute the A string in the first two fingerings, and
finger 3 to do it in the C/G.
The D/G is similar to a Gmaj6 fingering I've used for almost twenty
years, so switching between that and the C/G is quick and easy.
It's doable, though I don't think the voicing will ever be dead on.
When everyone is cranking louder than everyone else, will it
matter? :)
> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
`Cause millions of people ... love it that way!
Re: Really Crazy Train...
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On May 3, 10:19 am, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
>> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
>> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
>> play it in G.
>
> Just tried parts of it.
>
> The low E note has to be tranposed up an octave. So the main riff is
> best transposed up, basically. Play it rooted on the 7th fret E on the
> second string.
>
> The major chord progression G, D/G, C/G, D/G can be played using these
> shapes. Use the thumb to grab the bass note of the G and D/G.
>
> G D/G
>
> II |-x-|-|-|-x I |-x-|-|-|-x
> T | | | 1 | | | | 1 | |
> |-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
> | | | 2 | | T | | | 2 |
> |-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
> | | 3 | | | | | 3 | | |
> |-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
>
> C/G
>
> 0 |-x-|-o-|-|
> | | | | 1 |
> |-|-|-|-|-|
> | | 2 | | |
> |-|-|-|-|-|
> 3 | | | | |
> |-|-|-|-|-|
>
> Use the thumb to mute the A string in the first two fingerings, and
> finger 3 to do it in the C/G.
>
> The D/G is similar to a Gmaj6 fingering I've used for almost twenty
> years, so switching between that and the C/G is quick and easy.
>
> It's doable, though I don't think the voicing will ever be dead on.
> When everyone is cranking louder than everyone else, will it
> matter? :)
>
Yeah - you're doing it pretty much the way I figured it out, except I'm
using full open chord forms and not using my thumb...thats the way I've
seen one of the guitar players in this band do it on stage, and it's not
really as hard as it sounds once you get your mind around it. I've even
got the opening riff on F# transposed to the key of G once I thought
more about it.
Interesting educational exercise...I'm only trying it because they do it
that way, they actually make it sound good that way in the mix with
their other stuff, and it's been puzzling me how they do it. Like I
said elsewhere, if you weren't a musician I doubt you'd even notice they
were in G instead of A.
>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>
> `Cause millions of people ... love it that way!
...and I'm one of them.
--
- Rufus
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On May 3, 10:19 am, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
>> Ok...so I mentioned before that we have a local band that plays mostly
>> in the key of G because that's where their vocal range is...and that
>> they do "Crazy Train" in G somehow...no capos, no retuning...they just
>> play it in G.
>
> Just tried parts of it.
>
> The low E note has to be tranposed up an octave. So the main riff is
> best transposed up, basically. Play it rooted on the 7th fret E on the
> second string.
>
> The major chord progression G, D/G, C/G, D/G can be played using these
> shapes. Use the thumb to grab the bass note of the G and D/G.
>
> G D/G
>
> II |-x-|-|-|-x I |-x-|-|-|-x
> T | | | 1 | | | | 1 | |
> |-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
> | | | 2 | | T | | | 2 |
> |-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
> | | 3 | | | | | 3 | | |
> |-|-|-|-|-| |-|-|-|-|-|
>
> C/G
>
> 0 |-x-|-o-|-|
> | | | | 1 |
> |-|-|-|-|-|
> | | 2 | | |
> |-|-|-|-|-|
> 3 | | | | |
> |-|-|-|-|-|
>
> Use the thumb to mute the A string in the first two fingerings, and
> finger 3 to do it in the C/G.
>
> The D/G is similar to a Gmaj6 fingering I've used for almost twenty
> years, so switching between that and the C/G is quick and easy.
>
> It's doable, though I don't think the voicing will ever be dead on.
> When everyone is cranking louder than everyone else, will it
> matter? :)
>
Yeah - you're doing it pretty much the way I figured it out, except I'm
using full open chord forms and not using my thumb...thats the way I've
seen one of the guitar players in this band do it on stage, and it's not
really as hard as it sounds once you get your mind around it. I've even
got the opening riff on F# transposed to the key of G once I thought
more about it.
Interesting educational exercise...I'm only trying it because they do it
that way, they actually make it sound good that way in the mix with
their other stuff, and it's been puzzling me how they do it. Like I
said elsewhere, if you weren't a musician I doubt you'd even notice they
were in G instead of A.
>> Crazy...I'll stick to A...
>
> `Cause millions of people ... love it that way!
...and I'm one of them.
--
- Rufus
